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NDPP

Canada Refuses To Cancel Arms Sales To Saudi Despite Rights Violations

http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/04/14/460694/Canada-Saudi-Arabia-weapons-...

"Credibility matters..."

 

Canada's Diplomats on the Saudi LAV Deal - See No Evil, Hear No Evil    -   by David Pugliese

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canadas-diplomats-o...

"The controversy about the Liberal government's decision to allow the sale of Canadian-built light armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia isn't expected to go away anytime soon (The sale was approved by the Conservatives when they were in power and supported by the NDP during the election campaign)."

 

The Secret Saudi Memo: Dissecting How the Document Contradicts What Ottawa Has Said

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-secret-saudi-memo-disse...

quizzical

where's a quote of the NDP supporting this?

NDPP

On Saudi Arms Deal The New Boss is Just Like the Old Boss  -  by Neil Macdonald

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-saudi-arabia-arms-lav-contract-li...

"Well. If further proof was needed that the sunny new regime in Ottawa is perfectly capable of behaving just like the un-sunny previous regime, we now have it, in a memo that was stamped 'secret' then rather inconveniently laid bare in the Federal Court of Canada..."

NDPP

quizzical wrote:

where's a quote of the NDP supporting this?

As is its usual practice in such matters, the No Difference Party has covered all its bases and danced around the mulberry bush on all sides of this issue. Google 'NDP supports Saudi arms sales' and you'll turn up a selection. PS although these are probably also posted here in various related threads, don't bother trying to retrieve them with the ridiculous babble-browser...

swallow

[url=http://www.ceasefire.ca/?p=23472]Automatically e-mail Trudeau, Dion and all party leaders to ask that they not export arms to Saudi Arabia[/url]

Unionist

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/saudi-arabia-human-rights-report-canada-... releases redacted report on human rights in Saudi Arabia[/url]

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The report is undated, but provides Dion with an "update" following the Jan. 2 execution by Saudi authorities of 47 individuals convicted of terrorism-related offences.

It is unclear when the full report was presented to Dion, who met with Adel Al Jubeir, Saudi Arabia's minister of foreign affairs, in Ottawa on Dec. 17.

Many sections or paragraphs in the report are blocked out and noted as "Classified" or "Confidential," while the final two pages are withheld under sections of the law that protect information obtained from a foreign source or that could be "injurious to the conduct of international affairs" or the defence of Canada.

But some of the redactions are specific.

"Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy and — ," the report said, with the end of that sentence blacked out.

"It faces a deteriorating regional security situation; a growing domestic terrorist threat; including from the so-called Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS); a young and expanding population; growing unemployment; and domestic economic pressure resulting from its heavy reliance on the oil sector and the decrease in oil prices."

"The Kingdom tends to refute outside criticism on human rights issues," the update to the minister said, with the sentence following it blacked out.

Two paragraphs listing "ongoing human rights challenges to watch for in the next year" have been redacted in their entirety.

I suggest Minister Dion visit to check for himself. And stay.

NDPP

CrossTalk: Those 28 Pages

https://youtu.be/FEhY1isi1JM

"Finally there is a renewed effort to declassifying 28 pages of a 838 page congressional report on the events of  911..."

iyraste1313

Automatically e-mail Trudeau, Dion and all party leaders to ask that they not export arms to Saudi Arabia....

...the problem being of course that Canada as a major arms dealer would suffer a significant loss of reputation in the 'trade'...

they are not about to do anything unless their backs are against the wall!

How to do this is the question...a judicial process must be initiated to challenge Canada as complicit in crimes against humanity, and therefore be subject to boycotts and sanctions...

I plan to propose some NGO judicial process at the upcoming World Social Forum in Montreal, as first step....

NDPP

Don't forget Canada's ongoing armed assistance to the rotting Nazi Oligarchy of Ukraine, as well...

More:

Saudi Arms Deal Approval Was Illegal, Lawyer Argues

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/04/21/saudi-arms-deal-approval-w...

"It's quite unusual that a government, knowing that there's a case brought before the court goes ahead and delivers permits when it has the knowledge that the legality of the issue was before a court, [lawyer, Daniel] Turp said in an interview Thursday.

'We will continue to respect contracts signed because people around the world need to know that when Canada signs a deal it is rejected,' Trudeau said this week..."

quizzical

"it is rejected" wtf? i don't get this. 

the world needs to know it is rejected or "isn't rejected"?

NDPP

Should read "respected" not 'rejected..

quizzical

oh ok thanks

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

Don't forget Canada's ongoing armed assistance to the rotting Nazi Oligarchy of Ukraine, as well...

Nice try (and attempt at making it all about Ukraine), but actually they aren't, despite the flak.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2313536/human-rights-groups-oppose-canada-sell...

Unless you think they can beat people to death with those sleeping bags.

NDPP

Saudi Arabia And Its Role in 9/11 Terror Attack: George Galloway's Comment (and vid)

http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/04/22/461946/Saudi-Arabia-US-terror-attack/

"Terror attacks, refugee crises and destruction since 2001, especially the emergence of Daesh, have almost entirely resulted from the Wahhabi attack in the US on 9/11. The US regime has prevented the release of the 28-page document that confirms many crimes. Yet US President Obama has reaffirmed support for Washington's Arab allies..."

And like the obedient good doggy it is, vassal Canada follows its imperial master's lead.

NDPP

Tasha Kheiriddin: Stop Supporting Saudi Apartheid

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/tasha-kheiriddin-stop-supporti...

"Later this month, the Liberals will host Saudi folk dancing on the lawn of Parliament Hill, as part of a Saudi Cultural Days, which is set to take place May 18-21 in Ottawa..."

When may we expect 'Stop Supporting Israeli Apartheid' from the NP as well?

NDPP

Saudi-Israel Guarding US Interests & Terrorism (and vid)

https://twitter.com/SamiRamadani1/status/728887533598347264

"Another 'Conspiracy Theory' made official..."

Unionist

*bump*

Just to counter the fake news, manufactured by AIPAC, that there might be "progressive change" happening in Saudi Arabia.

quizzical

lol. the CIA just gave them an anti-terrorism award.

NDPP

Awarding Saudi Arabia Chair on Women's Rights Commission Makes UN Complicit in Crimes  -  by Marwa Osman

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/386097-awarding-saudi-arabia-chair-womens/

The Saudi Arabia that publicly beheads women and dangles bodies from cranes was just elected to the UN Women's Rights Commission. What I would really like to consider is the question: What on Earth is going on at the UN?"

Unionist

Protesters accuse Saudi Arabia of 'war crimes' in Yemen and claim UK Government also has blood on its hands

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Hundreds of people gathered outside Downing Street to protest as Theresa May held talks inside with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman.

Protesters chanted “Hands off Yemen - stop the bombing now” and “Stop the killing" as they demanded the UK halt arms sales to the Gulf state, which has been criticised over its bombing campaign in Yemen.

Labour’s Shadow International Development Secretary, Kate Osamor, and Green Party Deputy Leader Amelia Womack were among the speakers.

NDPP

Saudi Crown Prince Starts US Shopping Spree For War and Dictatorship  (and podcast)

https://sptnkne.ws/hbzA

"On today's episode of Loud & Clear, Brian Becker and John Kiriakou are joined by Medea Benjamin and Catherine Shakdam..."

 

15 Years After the Invasion of Iraq, Here Are the Dems Who Voted For Endless War in Yemen

https://t.co/vaKB6Xqr8b

"...The vote came the same day that President Donald Trump welcomed Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to the Oval Office by championing numerous multi-million dollar US arms deals, saying of the price tag, 'That's peanuts for you...' The following Democrats voted 'yea' to the 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq..."

NDPP

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NDPP

Canada's Cover-Up of LAVs Deployed in Yemen

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/977252858209775616

"Still no mention of TERRADYNE. Why?"

Unionist

What are we waiting for? The response of the Canadian government must be to cease doing business with this murderous regime until they respect international law and conventions.

 

NDPP

I agree. Unfortunately the signs are not good. According to CBC "Ottawa is 'seeking greater clarity' on the statement from Riyadh, Chrystia Freeland's spokesperson says." I predict an ignominious 'make-up' coming.

Notice also, there has been no condemnation from Global Affairs Canada on our little geostrategic co-pro with Saudi. Another damn good reason to cut loose our obscene connection and support.

US/UK/Canada - Backed Saudi/UAE Airstrikes on Yemeni Hospital and Market Kill at Least 55, Wound 124

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1025454707941158912

Unionist

Canada, Saudi Arabia and Daniel Turp's heroic crusade

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Daniel Turp was once a politician. Today, he is a law professor at Université de Montréal. For the last three years he has fought a protracted and seemingly quixotic legal battle against the federal government to hold it accountable for selling weapons to a murderous regime. For this, Turp deserves another title: hero.

6079_Smith_W

And there's this Harperite legacy:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/us-saudi-firms-to-buy...

G3 is majority owned by Bunge Ltd., a $12-billion (U.S.) agriculture company based in White Plains, N.Y., that has operations in 40 countries. The other partner, SALIC Canada, is a wing of the Saudi Agricultural and Livestock Investment Co., established by Saudi Arabia's king in 2011 to secure food supplies for a country that imports 80 per cent of its food.

NDPP

"The irony here is that it is Saudi sanctioning Canada and not the other way around - after Ottawa has bent over backwards to defend the deal(s)."

https://twitter.com/ploughshares.ca/status/1026276908995158016

NDPP

Canada's Arms-For-Human-Rights Trade Agreement Somehow Faltering in Saudi Arabia

https://t.co/lGO4ZcsIWJ

"We had a deal with the Saudis,' said a disappointed Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland. 'We would give them one armoured vehicle in exchange for one human right. Canada's foreign policy is based on trust, which we are confident will one day pay off.'

The LAVs-for-Liberties Agreement between the two countries allows Saudi Arabia to import $15 billion worth of arms while Canada exports its smug sense of superiority on human rights..."

 

'SNC Lavalin Group Inc*. Canada's biggest engineering and construction company, is seeing 'no immediate impact' to its operations in Saudi Arabia, according to Daniela Pizzuto, a spokeswoman."

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1026692105287000065

 

"If Justin Trudeau had a political backbone, he would appropriate and re-nationalize the Canadian Wheat Board. That way he could hit MbS & Trump (with Harper a bonus) all in one decree."

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1026838317306765312

*SNC-Lavalin produced the US Army's small-arms ammunition in Gulf War 1

NDPP

"The shallowness of the Canada-Saudi spat, there is lots of money that is being made in this relationship."

https://twitter.com/justinpodur/status/1026901014505578496

WWWTT

NDPP wrote:

"The irony here is that it is Saudi sanctioning Canada and not the other way around - after Ottawa has bent over backwards to defend the deal(s)."

https://twitter.com/ploughshares.ca/status/1026276908995158016

Yep pretty much says it all right there hey.

This is typical of the liberals, talk the big talk and to shit nothing if not the opposite!

6079_Smith_W

Though if that interview on As It Happens is accurate that isn't quite true. The Liberals honoured the munitions deal made by Harper, but have backed off on the closer relationship that the Saudis were expecting. That is why they are pissed off and reacted this way over a comment which many nations have made.

In short, that relationship had already gone sour.

josh

They should keep the LAV agreement for now.  Let the Saudis pay for jobs in London.

NDPP

I disagree that we should profit from and support this bloodthirsty regime and its role in butcheries in Yemen and elsewhere. A reprehensible position.  In any case, you are an American and your politics and positions have no relevance to what is a Canadian decision.

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

  In any case, you are an American and your politics and positions have no relevance to what is a Canadian decision.

So people should only comment on the politics of countries of which they have citizenship? I guess no more Canadian critiques of the gun-control debate in the USA then.

Unionist

voice of the damned wrote:

NDPP wrote:

  In any case, you are an American and your politics and positions have no relevance to what is a Canadian decision.

So people should only comment on the politics of countries of which they have citizenship? I guess no more Canadian critiques of the gun-control debate in the USA then.

Oh yes - both of you - let's divert this into a useless conversation about who has the right to comment on a country's policies. NDPP, I value your contributions, but would you say Canadians have no right to comment on Saudi internal activities? I think I've heard Saudi Arabia say that recently...

In other news. Josh, the LAV contract murders Yemenis and Saudis. The nice union jobs in London should be abolished today, if all they have to do is be complicit in those murders. We can well afford the employment insurance payments until those workers find something decent to do in life.

NDPP

Canada, Saudi Arabia and Daniel Turp's Heroic Crusade

https://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/martin-patriquin-canada-s...

"...As anyone with access to Wikipedia can tell you, selling weapons to the Saudis is a terrible idea. The House of Saud is violent, misogynistic, repressive and exclusionary, with a long history of violent crackdowns on the country's sizeable Shia minority - and a similar bloodlust for Shias in neighbouring Yemen.

Exactly why the Liberals have been as tenacious in selling weapons to the Saudis as the Conservatives before them is a matter of cynical retail politicians. The LAV-25 is manufactured by London, Ont-based General Dynamics Land Systems. London, surely a lovely place, is also four vote-rich federal ridings that are key to Conservative and Liberal electoral fortunes alike. The 2,000 well-paid unionized General Dynamics jobs in London and beyond are of great political importance - dissidents in Saudi Arabia be damned..."

Kill the LAV Deal not Shia and Yemenis!

pm@pm.gc.ca

voice of the damned

Unionist wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

NDPP wrote:

  In any case, you are an American and your politics and positions have no relevance to what is a Canadian decision.

So people should only comment on the politics of countries of which they have citizenship? I guess no more Canadian critiques of the gun-control debate in the USA then.

Oh yes - both of you - let's divert this into a useless conversation about who has the right to comment on a country's policies. NDPP, I value your contributions, but would you say Canadians have no right to comment on Saudi internal activities? I think I've heard Saudi Arabia say that recently...

In other news. Josh, the LAV contract murders Yemenis and Saudis. The nice union jobs in London should be abolished today, if all they have to do is be complicit in those murders. We can well afford the employment insurance payments until those workers find something decent to do in life.

So, you include me in your criticism of people who are diverting the thread, and then turn around and do the exact same thing that I was doing(ie. rebut NDPP's point about Josh's participation)?  

Unionist

voice of the damned wrote:

So, you include me in your criticism of people who are diverting the thread, and then turn around and do the exact same thing that I was doing(ie. rebut NDPP's point about Josh's participation)?  

Yes, you joined NDPP in a potential months-long thread diversion by asking him if Canadians should comment on gun-control in the U.S. All you needed to do was slap him gently and then comment on the actual topic.

No, I didn't rebut NDPP's point about Josh's participation. I tried to put an end to NDPP's "point" once and for all by saying that if he's right, then he is implicitly agreeing with the Saudi murderers, namely that Canadians shouldn't comment on Saudi affairs. It was like an ironic jab.

And finally, to ensure that no one saw this as an invitation to thread diversion, I responded to josh's substantive point about whether we should allow the LAV contract to continue.

Hope my intent was clear.

NDPP

"Saudi Arabia just killed dozens of children on a bus in Yemen after spending all week lecturing the world on human rights and 'interfering' in other countries."

https://twitter.com/Sanasiino/status/1027517498957156355

NDPP

WATCH THIS :  "In Yemen this evening 50 children have been slaughtered by the Saudi Arabian air force deploying bombs and rockets sold to them by us..." (and vid)

https://twitter.com/DenneMorris/status/1027661869891420160

Are Canadians prepared to sell these murderers more weapons to murder more? Yes, I am asking YOU...?

"Here's the real litmus test for Freeland and Trudeau et al's 'vow to speak out on human rights': the usual silence on these latest Saudi-led war crimes against Yemen would speak volumes."

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1027632707256238080

And a litmus test on Canadians to hold them to it. Stop the Arms Trade! Boycott Saudi Now!

pm@pm.gc.ca

Chrystia.Freeland@parl.gc.ca

voice of the damned

Unionist wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

So, you include me in your criticism of people who are diverting the thread, and then turn around and do the exact same thing that I was doing(ie. rebut NDPP's point about Josh's participation)?  

Yes, you joined NDPP in a potential months-long thread diversion by asking him if Canadians should comment on gun-control in the U.S. All you needed to do was slap him gently and then comment on the actual topic.

No, I didn't rebut NDPP's point about Josh's participation. I tried to put an end to NDPP's "point" once and for all by saying that if he's right, then he is implicitly agreeing with the Saudi murderers, namely that Canadians shouldn't comment on Saudi affairs. It was like an ironic jab.

And finally, to ensure that no one saw this as an invitation to thread diversion, I responded to josh's substantive point about whether we should allow the LAV contract to continue.

Hope my intent was clear.

Actually, I didn't ask him if people should avoid commenting on gun-control iun the US, I just stated the claim saracastially, as an ad absurdum against his admonition against Josh. But very well, if you think even that was too diversionary, I'll just state the case directly, without examples...

"NDPP, there is no generally observed rule on this board against non-citizens commenting on the politics of a given country, so please desist with the chest-thumping jingosim."

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Quote:
"NDPP, there is no generally observed rule on this board against non-citizens commenting on the politics of a given country, so please desist with the chest-thumping jingosim."

Fingers crossed it works this time.

NDPP

Never fear voices such as yours are always welcome and defended here...

NDPP

Cancelling the Contract to Build the Light Armoured Vehicles the Saudis Are Using in their War in Yemen Would Be A Start. - Ottawa Citizen editorial -

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1027649094947205120

"If Saudi Arabia really wants to pursue this, Canada can do two things. Canada can buckle under. We could fire our foreign minister and say, 'You're right we shouldn't be interfering.' Or we can take a more principled stand that human rights are universal rights. This crisis could blow over, or it could become a test case for Canadian foreign policy."

NDPP

"Today's attack in Saada was a legitimate military operation and was carried out in accordance with international humanitarian law." - KSA-

To Trudeau & Freeland

Re: Canada/KSA

Buy nothing more from them. Sell nothing more to them.

Period.

Full Stop.

(GRAPHIC: INDIFFERENCE TO IMPERIALISM!)

https://twitter.com/AWAKEALERT/status/1027713881291059200

NDPP

Singh Pitches Payback For Saudi Spat - Buying Our Oil Somewhere Else (and vid)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jagmeet-singh-ndp-oil-saudi-arabia-canad...

"Forget the Arab kingdom and buy our oil from other countries. 'We should take a hard look. Does it make sense for us to continue to have trade relations with a country that has such a bad track record?"

NDPP

Danielle Smith: Now is the Time For Canada to Fight Back Against Saudi Oil

https://globalnews.ca/news/4379328/danielle-smith-saudi-arabia/

"...How about we use this as an opportunity to serve our Canadian students first? Barring that, there is lots of demand from all over the world for students to come to Canada.

On Thursday, Saudi Energy Minister Khalid l Fahlil said, 'The current diplomatic crisis between Saudi Arabia and Canada will not, in any way, impact Saudi Aramco's relations with it's customers in Canada.'

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau should tell the Saudi regime that actually , it will effect that relationship. He should tell Saudi Aramco, 'We don't want your oil. We have enough of our own.'

Let's not let this dispute go to waste. Now is the time to fight back."

NDPP

EU Calls on Saudis to Clarify Women Rights Activists' Detentions

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/12/570900/eu-saudi-arabia-canada-...

"The EU has called on Saudi Arabia to clarify the circumstances concerning the detentions of women rights activists."

 

Saudi Authorities Arrest Another Professor in Widening Crackdown on Dissent

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/12/570986/Saudi-authorities-arres...

"Saudi authorities have arrested another university professor in the conservative oil-rich kingdom as part of a widening crackdown led by crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman against Muslim preachers and intellectuals. Human rights activists say Saudi authorities have put more than 16 university professors and lecturers behind bars since last September and stepped up politically-motivated arrests, prosecutions and convictions of peaceful dissident writers and human rights campaigners."

progressive17 progressive17's picture

There are plenty of people in Canada who will demonstrate against oil shipments and pipelines. Perhaps we might see them on the east coast demonstrating against Saudi tankers coming in. I am not holding my breath however.

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