How Many Progressive Friends of Yours are Cops (or otherwise involved in law enforcement)?

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How Many Progressive Friends of Yours are Cops (or otherwise involved in law enforcement)?

After reading [url=this">http://rabble.ca/babble/anti-racism-news-and-initiatives/robert-louis-ga... thread (re Prof. Gates)[/url], I started thinking, "Why aren't there more progressives involved in law enforcement? Progressives aren't shy about working in most areas of government to promote the change they believe in, so why not in law enforcement, too, an area which could do with some change?"

Now, I am only basing this on my own experience and observations -- and, for all I know, law enforcement agencies may be filled to the brim with progressives from top to bottom (though I doubt that).

Hence my question: How many friends of yours who are progressives are also cops?

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The other related question is: Would it make any difference if many more progressives were cops?

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Unionist

It's not really possible, Sven. It's like asking how many progressive friends of yours join the Canadian Forces. If you voluntarily put yourself in a position where you have to follow repugnant orders, there's a problem. The only exception I can think of is joining such forces for subversion (i.e. organizing, etc.). That's pretty deep cover risky stuff though, and one doesn't speak publicly of that.

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The other related question is: Would it make any difference if many more progressives were cops?

Well, they'd be fired too soon for it to make a difference - certainly long before you rose to any policy-making position. You can't give effect to your "progressiveness" in a situation where you follow orders or else. I think it would be noble to try, but probably the potential results wouldn't be worth the investment of effort.

I think there's an underlying assumption in your question that cops are bad people, so they do bad things. I don't believe that for a minute. I know cops who are nice people. They may have some progressive opinions in their private lives. But it makes no difference whatsoever to what they do on the job.

The problem of police forces is systemic, far more so than the kind of individuals they attract.

genstrike

Yeah, I think Unionist hit the nail right on the head there.  In a capitalist state, police and law enforcement have a certain role, and they are going to do that regardless of how many "progressives" are involved.

Incidentally, since Unionist mentioned the military and subversion, I remember reading an article not too long ago about why the draft was ended - the US army in Vietnam was on the brink of full-scale collapse and mutiny, remniscient of the French army under Nivelle or the Tsarist army in 1917.

Ze

I'm actually more worried about "progressives" who automatically side with the police, and the tendency to accept police narratives as objective truths. The problem is less in the nature of the institution (there are alternative models of policing like Mohawk Peacekeepers and even some community policing models) than in the assumption that the police are an objective force for order and peace, when they so clearly are not.

RP.

I know a progressive who's a crown attorney.  Does that count?

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I worked in law enforcement. Due to my own preference for anonymity, and the oath I took, I can't reveal what would be screamingly amusing stories for babblers. I'm still laughing about the vetting procedure. Go ahead and laugh yourself.

Unionist

RP. wrote:

I know a progressive who's a crown attorney.  Does that count?

Sure it counts - but it's a whole different dynamic. Crowns are more often female and low-paid by comparison with criminal defence lawyers. I'll bet they're more progressive as a whole. And I don't think we often need to accuse crowns of assault, invasion of privacy, racial profiling, harassing protestors, etc. They just do their job once the dirty work is done.