Student Day of Action - Nov 5

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genstrike

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

...what is that barking? 

Goebbel's Big Lie theory aside (see above), I am wondering why I haven't heard form other provinces on here, I am sure they are as active as in MB.  Unless they think like Fidel and are tempered by NDP promises (which I doubt, I still have hope outside of MB).

I think it is because of the four people posting in this thread, three are from Manitoba and the other takes issue with any protest directed against the Manitoba government.

ecopinko wrote:

What's this Justice Charter thing? It sounds familiar, but at the risk
of giving Fidel ammunition to call me a stupid neoliberal, I can't
remember what it is.

The Justice Charter was proposed at the four directions walk.  They are proposing an assembly in March 2009 to talk about it.  One of the planks is the elimination of tuition fees.  It does bear a slight resemblence to something coming out of the CP (in both content and choice of font), so I bet a certain person we talked to yesterday was involved.

ecopinko wrote:
I don't think 'getting elected' (scare quotes!) is a terrible idea,
depending on where you are getting elected, who's electing you, and how
accountable you are to your base.

On the other hand, I'm very wary of pushing for more student
representation on something like the Board of Governors at the U of M
or the Board of Regents at the U of W (can't remember what BU's board
is called). They put student reps on the Board in 1968 (incidentally
referencing the events of May 1968 in the provincial Hansard), and I
think while useful in a lot of ways, it also has a significant
co-opting effect.

Right, I think it would be hard to actually 'get elected'.  Some people we know have been trying it for years, and I'm not sure which ridings would be the best targets for some upstart left party.  A poor working class central Winnipeg area?  North end?  Transcona?  Radisson (we did elect Marianne two or three times, and we only need 8% to get a third place)?

And I agree that we do need to be constantly worried about co-option, and with representation on the BOG one issue is that votes are so often along student/nonstudent lines, and "they" would never give students a majority on any university governing body.

I just can't believe I'm talking about new parties and student representation on the BOG after what we were talking about on the way to the Mondragon yesterday.

ecopinko wrote:
Something like that would have to have some buy-in from the SAWG, it couldn't be something done independently. 

Yeah, although I wonder if we would be better off proposing it to the SAWG or going for it through something like ActLeft (hey, AL has gotta be good for something) and asking for SAWG's endorsement and support once the groundwork is laid.  Although there are a few people in the SAWG who already have doubts about my sanity, there seems to be a decent sized minority of unreprentant Marxists, CPers, and anarcho-stalinists. Laughing

ecopinko wrote:
I don't think the CFS machine's activist-education system is terrible; I just don't entirely agree with what they teach and the limited scale of it. 

Agreed.  For what it is (small scale inside activist training and details of the tuition issue without touching wider issues like neoliberalism), it is pretty good, but I think in times like these we need something a little different.

ecopinko wrote:
Just remember, university autonomy is not something to give up lightly.
I'm a bit wary of that kind of stuff, but I see why you would want it.
Not to mention that restricting Uni autonomy to force them to respect
the freeze (and not introduce new ancillary fees) was one thing, but I
have a feeling I would like what the Tories would force the Unis to do
even less than what the NDP does. 

Yeah, I agree that autonomy is important and if any government priorities ever trickle down to education or academic research it would be a disaster, but I think that just a couple specific restrictions like that might be a good thing, especially considering the university also gets public funding which shouldn't be used to enrich people like Emoke, Axworthy and Barnard.

ecopinko wrote:
Really? 30? I think I'm at that age when I want people to think I'm younger than I really am... damn. 

Well, pushing 30 really means 28 or 29, and through facebook-stalking, I have found that I'm really only about one year off.  So don't take it too badly.  At the very least, you still have the sexy beard, which is much more full and manly than what I've got going on. Laughing

genstrike

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

unfortunate but true.  It boils down to the individual and how easily they corrupt. If a student rep is accountable well then that can be fought over by the students to correct.

Also, we have to be concerned with the politics of the particular student rep, and how exactly they are elected (by faculty, or by the student body as a whole, and will there be communiy reps).  There is a minority of students (I think most of them work for the Manitoban) who are resistant to any pro-student agenda for class or ideological reasons.  So we wouldn't want to just be putting someone like Steven Fletcher on the board.

genstrike

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

I would like to see more organizing among the High School students, they have the most to lose, and they bring a ton of "spirited energy" (that one's on the house guv).  

 Even more of a challenge is organizing the "could have been students" working in call centres and in retail or general labour.  This is out of scope already but related to organising the unorganised.  But how? a cultural or sport organisation with a political bent?   Get 'em while they're young I say and organise high schools before we lose them.

Yeah, it would be nice to see even more high school students out (I bet there are a lot of history/social studies/civics teachers out there who would be happy to go on a class field trip to see how a protest works).  But I have to give some huge credit to the person who did the coalition building with high school students.  The fact that we even had some out there was pretty amazing in and of itself.  And hopefully these students will get to university ready to get into student activism, and somewhat inoculated from the BS in campus and corporate papers on the tuition issue.

I think another group that would be awesome to get out would be parents who either are concerned about whether their kid is going to be able to afford education, or concerned that little Johnny is spending too much time working to pay tuition and not enough studying (and of course, all work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy).

It might be tricky to organize the "could have been students" because some of them feel like they don't have a stake in it and don't want to spend a lot of time fighting for other people to get lower tuition.  I wonder what the best way to organize them is though.  I would suggest working with their unions, but it might be tricky and can really only reach the ones who are unionized (what, 20%ish?)

Fidel

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

watch it.. bitches like me all pee on ur leg.

HA!@ Like your ideas on who owes what for PSE, youre too small a dog.

genstrike

Fidel wrote:

Yap-yap-yap yip-yap Youre just disappointed because CFS, the largest student union in Canada supports the NDP and not Libranos or Conservabrals. What's that Lassie? You say the Liberals have fallen down a mine shaft? And they need help? Good girl!! Now go home Lassie.

Yeah, that is why that huge CFS banner at the Day of Action said "Stop NDP Lies".  Because they are totally 100% on the NDP's side, even when the NDP doesn't deserve it.  Face it, everyone in the CFS-MB, local student unions, and rank and file students are pissed at Doer and the NDP.

And can you possibly tone down the stupid insults and the insiuations that everyone who disagrees with the NDP on anything is a Liberal?

bush is gone ha...

fidel the tankie wrote:
HA!@ Like your ideas on who owes what for PSE, youre too small a dog 

 by that comment you've lost and resorted to infantile behavior, I've reciprocated enough.  go to your caucus room!

Fidel-B-Gone 

genstrike wrote:
Yeah, it would be nice to see even more high school students out (I bet there are a lot of history/social studies/civics teachers out there who would be happy to go on a class field trip to see how a protest works).  But I have to give some huge credit to the person who did the coalition building with high school students.  The fact that we even had some out there was pretty amazing in and of itself.  And hopefully these students will get to university ready to get into student activism, and somewhat inoculated from the BS in campus and corporate papers on the tuition issue.

I think another group that would be awesome to get out would be parents who either are concerned about whether their kid is going to be able to afford education, or concerned that little Johnny is spending too much time working to pay tuition and not enough studying (and of course, all work and no play makes Johnny a dull boy).

It might be tricky to organize the "could have been students" because some of them feel like they don't have a stake in it and don't want to spend a lot of time fighting for other people to get lower tuition.  I wonder what the best way to organize them is though.  I would suggest working with their unions, but it might be tricky and can really only reach the ones who are unionized (what, 20%ish?) 

Yep, big challenge, many good ideas there.  lol With that all organized it would be like May '68 all over again.

Going back from the macro to the micro, picketing minister's houses would be crossing some invisible line.  Good, the personality cult can be diminished and hit the heads of the hydra.  News would take notice. The spin will make the issue sound critical or paint students as having gone too far and as some uncivil insurgent.  Some may call us brats and many may say "bout freaking time" and find resonance.  dunno how it would play out.  But we say the issue is THAT important.

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genstrike

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:
Yep, big challenge, many good ideas there.  lol With that all organized it would be like May '68 all over again.

Going back from the macro to the micro, picketing minister's houses would be crossing some invisible line.  Good, the personality cult can be diminished and hit the heads of the hydra.  News would take notice. The spin will make the issue sound critical or paint students as having gone too far and as some uncivil insurgent.  Some may call us brats and many may say "bout freaking time" and find resonance.  dunno how it would play out.  But we say the issue is THAT important.

Yeah... I'm not sure the legality of picketing houses (and we would need to stalk them to figure out their addresses), but I think both the shock factor and the fact that I can't remember if it has ever been done before could make it a potentially powerful tactic.

bush is gone ha...

Oh I'm sure arrests would be made, maybe some jail time.  But that happens to unions plenty of times. CUPW has had that issue before.

I personally find it a low blow and a personification of the fight.  But I think it may be necessary for an arrogant NDP hierarchy.     

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Fidel

Affordable education needed 

Quote:

College and university students in Ontario are being buried by debt to finance their education and high tuition fees authorized by the provincial government are to blame.

Under the Liberal government's "Reaching Higher" framework for tuition fee increases, students have been hit with annual tuition fee increases between four and eight per cent. As a result, Ontario now has the second highest tuition fees in Canada, up from third place last year, and the highest fees for graduate students. Student debt has increased 350 per cent in just over a decade.

Today, the average student debt for a four-year degree is fast approaching $28,000 and this crushing debt, together with high tuition fees and low per-student government funding, has eliminated affordable education for many students.

With OSAP, private loans and multiple part-time jobs, some students are struggling to finance their education. Others can't.

The government's "Reaching Higher" plan cancelled a tuition fee freeze and increased student loan amounts.

Dalton McGuinty has called himself the Education Premier and promised affordable education. It's time he kept that promise by rolling back fee increases since the freeze was cancelled in 2006. A portion of every student loan should also be converted into a government grant to make education affordable.

The fee increases are a significant barrier to overcome for many marginalized students and for students from low and middle class families. An inequitable system is not acceptable and that's why students have been protesting tuition fee increases with a province-wide day of action.

If the government is serious about investing in research and overcoming the crisis in the manufacturing sector, it'll have to reduce financial barriers for Ontario's graduate students by reducing up-front costs.

Graduate student retention rates at some universities range from 34 to 54 per cent and high tuition fees, a lack of funding and debt servicing contribute to unacceptably high rates of attrition. This attrition means a lost investment by the education system and students, as well as a loss of skilled innovators for the labour market in a knowledge-based economy.

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Dalton is McGuilty!! It's all Norman "I'm a 22% tin pot" Bates' fault in Toronto for the missing billions from Ottawa since 1995!! String em up first and ask questions later!! YEEHAW!!

bush is gone ha...

 

I need industrial size.

We get it Liberals are bad.  We only have two in Manitoba.  WE ALL KNOW.  That is why there are 2.  Anything on students? 

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Fidel

The "Big Blue" spray can again, that figures. I'll bet it full of red paint, too. You guys are outnumbered here, 1 to 3. I think you'd better recruit a few more of the old line party youth wing to even it up some. HA HA!@

bush is gone ha...

-I want to return that can to the store.

You seemed to have joined the wrong party.  That explains the screwed up NDP here in MB. Have you something to say on topic?

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Fidel

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:
. Have you something to say on topic?

No just more pertinent information from the Canadian Federation of Students -  that bastion of NDP support advocating for students across Canada.  Why do you ask?  Anymore Bleu et Rouge grafitti for us today? Try turning the nozzle the other way round and squeezing.

Cueball Cueball's picture

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

-I want to return that can to the store.

You seemed to have joined the wrong party.  That explains the screwed up NDP here in MB. Have you something to say on topic?

 

Good post.

Fidel

Excellent! Make sure and tell them to abstain from voting in NDP Manitoba, Cue.  Tongue out

bush is gone ha...

 

fidel the tankie wrote:
No just more pertinent information from the Canadian Federation of Students -  that bastion of NDP support advocating for students across Canada.  Why do you ask?  Anymore Bleu et Rouge grafitti for us today? Try turning the nozzle the other way round and squeezing.

 

I'll try this brand.  

The way things are going in MB continue to spread across the country, the CFS wouldn't be the NDP bastion for long.  If it is the farm team then I do hope it gets its new leadership from the CFS and throws members like you out!

BTW, how effective was the intersection sit down in Ontario?  Something to consider in MB? It would be more difficult to sit in the Ledg. again.

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Cueball Cueball's picture

NDP? The question is wether or not to vote at all. No one has done more to turn my ambivalence about the NDP into a hardened antipathy than yourself. Up until I started reading you I had no idea that "social democratic" parties could actually produce commissars. And that was it for me and the NDP, more or less.

genstrike

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

BTW, how effective was the intersection sit down in Ontario?  Something to consider in MB? It would be more difficult to sit in the Ledg. again.

Hmmm... if we were to block Portage and Main and Portage and Memorial, that would be huge.  The one question is balancing the effects that would have with the public support from angry commuters.

What if we were to get up early one morning and block off every entrance to the leg?  Block it off for even 15 minutes as people are starting to come in and then let people who take a pamphlet through (unless they're McGifford or Doer Laughing)

PS:  Are you a student here in Manitoba?  If so, which university, and have you heard about the weekly SAWG meetings?

Fidel

Cueball wrote:
NDP? The question is wether or not to vote at all. No one has done more to turn my ambivalence about the NDP into a hardened antipathy than yourself. Up until I started reading you I had no idea that "social democratic" parties could actually produce commissars. And that was it for me and the NDP, more or less.

No-no, god no. Just tell them not to vote as per your expert recommendation in that other thread about not voting. I really think its important, especially in this thread. An' let's steer this rig back onto the highway in the mean time. Solidarnosc!

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Fidel wrote:
Excellent! Make sure and tell them to abstain from voting in NDP Manitoba, Cue.  Tongue out

drat! maybe a can of some spray on hair will work for fidel. 

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ecopinko

genstrike wrote:

What if we were to get up early one morning and block off every entrance to the leg?  Block it off for even 15 minutes as people are starting to come in and then let people who take a pamphlet through (unless they're McGifford or Doer Laughing)

We kind of did that last summe with the Student Strike thing. It went reasonably well, I think we pissed off some Dipper hacks. Although it wasn't really 'blocking', more 'slowing down'. Legal reasons.

Although it sounds like the fax bomb was more successful for that..Tongue out

bush is gone ha...

Fidel wrote:

Cueball wrote:
NDP? The question is wether or not to vote at all. No one has done more to turn my ambivalence about the NDP into a hardened antipathy than yourself. Up until I started reading you I had no idea that "social democratic" parties could actually produce commissars. And that was it for me and the NDP, more or less.

No-no, god no. Just tell them not to vote as per your expert recommendation in that other thread about not voting. I really think its important, especially in this thread. An' let's steer this rig back onto the highway in the mean time. Solidarnosc!

well, Cueball has a point.  If voters are tankies like Fidel, then voting really is a stupid exercise.  I use my head when I vote.  I imagine students do the same.

genstrike wrote:
 Are you a student here in Manitoba?  If so, which university, and have you heard about the weekly SAWG meetings? 

Yes. UofW.  Yes I've heard that there is a SAWG at UofM.  Considered running for the UWSA but those nomination deadlines go real fast. I need to drop some activities to commit to it.  I show up when needed I guess.  I made it into the Ledge for the sit-in.  

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genstrike

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

Yes. UofW.  Yes I've heard that there is a SAWG at UofM.  Considered running for the UWSA but those nomination deadlines go real fast. I need to drop some activities to commit to it.  I show up when needed I guess.  I made it into the Ledge for the sit-in. 

I ran for UMSU a couple years back, in my right wing faculty.  Wasn't even close.  I think the next highest candidate got 4 times as many votes as me.  But it's cool that you can help out where needed.  That's what I've been trying to do for the past 2 years.

I sent you a PM with the times of the SAWG meetings, in case you have the chance to make it out.

ecopinko wrote:
We kind of did that last summe with the Student Strike thing. It went
reasonably well, I think we pissed off some Dipper hacks. Although it
wasn't really 'blocking', more 'slowing down'. Legal reasons.

Although it sounds like the fax bomb was more successful for that..

What is the law on that, you can only block someone for 5 minutes?

Fidel

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

well, Cueball has a point.  If voters are tankies like Fidel, then voting really is a stupid exercise.  I use my head when I vote.  I imagine students do the same.

But what if voters are patooties, like Bushwacker?  You've got redn' blew spray paint all over yourself, mate. Youre a mess.

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Doerista wrote:
But what if voters are patooties, like Bushwacker?  You've got redn' blew spray paint all over yourself, mate. Youre a mess. 

I'd have to sniff fumes after reading your NDP = Neo-Liberal nonsense.

If former NDP MLA's can protest the government then something is rotten.

 You call me a tory, well if I am then you are Brian Mulroney... the Rt. Hon. Martin Brian Mulroney. 

Doerista wrote:
Hey Mountbatten, lots of words zero direction. They'll shoot your legs off before you kids even hit the beach in broad daylight. And it looks like you plan to attack from the wrong flank entirely.  Canadian students need a plan and someone who knows how to read a map and strategize.

sure won't be you Lord Haw Haw! 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Haw_Haw 

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Fidel

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:
I'd have to sniff fumes after reading your NDP = Neo-Liberal nonsense

Wrong again, it's:

Team Red n Blew = NeoLiberalarama in Canada

After 28 years with two stale old line parties at the helm, Canada is well above the OECD average, 23%, with respect to private funding as a percentage of university revenues in Canada, about 43%.

Liberal, Tory, it's the same old story with following second-hand ideology from the US. If the idiots leading our two old line parties had at least half a brain each, their heads would rattle all'a time. An' I kinda miss http://www.paulmartintime.ca since Paulie Pockets threatened to sue them for telling the truth. An' if I'm Lord Haw-Haw, then youre http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Rose broadcasting rancid baloney. And you almost posted something on topic this time. Good for you. You three or four genuses should collaborate on posting something totally relevant to the topic of discussion 

Cueball Cueball's picture

Meh... Liberals, Dippers same old slippers.

Fidel

Cueball wrote:
Meh... "Liberals/dippers same old slippers."

Follow the money. Jack never gets invited to those wild shindigs at the Desmarais family mansion in Florida, like our two old line party stooges do all'a time. An' there are nil next to no NDP retirees in the Red Chamber,  so you may want to check that out again sometime, Watson 

Whigs n Tories = "The big business and bankster party" aka "The Bay Street Gang"

bush is gone ha...

 

how old are you again? Only rose I am gonna aspire to is the White Rose student movement in WWII Germany. 

It's relevant enough.

ahem, and if the NDP are so great what have they done to organize in the rest of Canada?  *section gang attempts repair*

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Fidel wrote:

Cueball wrote:
Meh... "Liberals/dippers same old slippers."

Follow the money. Jack never gets invited to those wild shindigs at the Desmarais family mansion in Florida, like our two old line party stooges do all'a time. An' there are nil next to no NDP retirees in the Red Chamber, so you may want to check that out again sometime, Watson

Whigs n Tories = "The big business and bankster party" aka "The Bay Street Gang"

I know what you are saying. It was sad watching him have to crawl to get a meeting with GWB, when the pres visited...

But, given that we are crawling around in the mud of innuendo, unsubstantiated accusation, and allusion, is it compltely out of place to point out that Jack is not really that far away from high society with a father who was the Minster of the Mines we gave away under NAFTA during the Mulroney years?

Cueball Cueball's picture

And the NDP is the Liberal farm team... and so on.

Fidel

bush is gone happy happy happy wrote:

ahem, and if the NDP are so great what have they done to organize in the rest of Canada? 

You said yourself the CFS is an NDP farm team. If you can afford to, pay attention once in a while. The answers may dawn on you without asking, "Tokyo"

Cueball Cueball's picture

Fidel wrote:

Oh the pleasure of snivelling and grovelling and licking Crazy George II's boots belonged to the "Shawinigan strangler", Paulie Pockets, and their other brother Steve Harper. Those three have kow-towed and grovelled to uncle Sam on everything from them telling the trio to shove our softwood lumber up their asses sideways to demanding that our stoogeocrats send a team of goons to interrogate Omar Khadr for them. Whigs and Tories, same old snivelling and grovelling to the vicious empire

Cueball wrote:

But, given that we are crawling around in the mud of innuendo, unsubstantiated accusation, and allusion, is it compltely out of place to point out that Jack is not really that far away from high society with a father who was the Minster of the Mines we gave away under NAFTA during the Mulroney years?

Fidel

Cueball wrote:

I know what you are saying. It was sad watching him have to crawl to get a meeting with GWB, when the pres visited...

Oh the pleasure of snivelling and grovelling and licking Crazy George II's boots was all the exclusive privilege of: the "Shawinigan strangler", Paulie Pockets, and their other brother Steve Harper. Those three have kow-towed and grovelled to uncle Sam on everything from them telling the trio to shove our softwood lumber up their asses sideways to demanding that our stoogeocrats send a team of goons to interrogate Omar Khadr for them. Whigs and Tories, same old snivelling and grovelling to the vicious empire

Cueball Cueball's picture

I have a sneaky feeling I am not going to get an answer to that question. Call it prescience, or conjecture, or just a good guess, my senses are telling me I am right on that.

bush is gone ha...

*section gang assesses damage from fidel as too great and closes and sells off rail line*

I'm in the CFS. I know that we've been organizing for the NDP  before and pulling NDP dead weight.  *jettisons*

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bush is gone ha...

 

GODWIN'S LAW!!! 

no cueball, no answer just some crazy rant on Hitler.

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Fidel

 Follow the money, Cueball. Follow the money endorsements. Kirdorf and friends in Berlin and New York funded Hitler because Whigs and Tories in 1930's Germany weren't so popular with voters. Canada's kingmakers and billionaire class funded Whigs and Tories in this country for 14 decades  in a row. Sniff harder, Watson. I suppose next youll be pointing out to us that the Castros were wealthier than the Province of Quebec Laytons, and that Che had more brains as a doctor than all'a Whigs and Tories in Canada put together. So what, we knew that, too.

Arthur: It was I! I bred you! I led you!
Zed: And I have looked into the face of the force which put the idea in your head. You are bred and led yourself

Whigs and Tories suck! Hey you kids have been fun.

Fidel

Cueball wrote:

I am following the money: Mulroney... NAFTA... mines... Layton. Did I miss something?

NAFTA was a Liberal flip-flop for starters, you moran

Cueball Cueball's picture

Fidel wrote:

 Follow the money, Cueball. Follow the money endorsements. Kirdorf and friends in Berlin and New York funded Hitler because Whigs and Tories in 1930's Germany weren't so popular with voters. Canada's kingmakers and billionaire class funded Whigs and Tories in this country for 14 decades  in a row. Sniff harder, Watson. I suppose next youll be pointing out to us that the Castros were wealthier the Laytons, and that Che had more brains as a doctor than all'a Whigs and Tories in Canada put together. So what, we knew that, too.

Arthur: It was I! I bred you! I led you!
Zed: And I have looked into the face of the force which put the idea in your head. You are bred and led yourself

Whigs and Tories suck! Hey you kids have been fun.

 

I am following the money: Mulroney... NAFTA... mines... Layton... Duplessis...Layton... Steeves...Lumber. Did I miss something?

Cueball Cueball's picture

Thanks! I'll correct it. 

Also I did miss something! I knew it! It should be: Mulroney... FTA... mines... Layton... Duplessis... Layton... Steeves.... lumber.... Is that better?

Cueball Cueball's picture

Waiting a while, this one should be classic... bet we end up hearing about General Zia...

bush is gone ha...

Okay we hit the Hitler mark, this thread is officially too long.

*waiter check please*

Michelle!! 

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Cueball wrote:
Waiting a while, this one should be classic... bet we end up hearing about General Zia...

LMFAO 

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Cueball Cueball's picture

Louise Reil! You have exceded my expectations!

What about NAFTA? What does Layton, the latter, say about "mines and FTA and Layton", the former?

Fidel

Cueball wrote:
NAFTA? What does he say about "mines and FTA"?

It says to most of us with al dente noodles that the baloney man and Trudeau's one-time muscle during FLQ were the biggest liars of the 1980s-90s before Paulie Pockets arrived on the scene

And when Jack pulls a night of the long knives, youll be the first to let us know, we can be sure. Keep'er sniffin, Watson :rollyeyespourvous:

Fidel

Cueball wrote:
I did miss something! I knew it! It should be: Mulroney... NAFTA... mines... Layton... Duplessis... Layton... Steeves.... lumber.... Is that better?

One of my long ago relatives was a hired mercenary sent out to round up Lous Riel's bunch.

And another bloodline has us directly related to Riel. So what?

Fidel Castro's family were wealthy landowners in Batista's Cuba? So what?

The Liberals themselves were once a centre-left party in Trudeau's time. So what?

Jack has mentioned numerous times how the Libranos sold us down the Mississippi with SHAFTA. He mentions how hundreds of Ottawa lawyers and Liberal Party genuses had the wool pulled over their eyes by Clinton's bureaucrats and sharpie Philadelphia liars,  and how the dumbest trade deal in world history needs renegotiating by way of shrewd socialist style bargaining. You didn't mention any of that. Why not? Is this the world according to Cueball again? Follow the Bay Street Monet - it doesn't lead to the NDP now or at any time previous in Canadian history. You find us the modern day equivalent of Kirdorf's "Road to Resurgence" pamplet published for big money's eyes only, and I'll give you your cookie reward. Because I'd actually want to know and so would all NDPers for the sake of avoiding to vote for the fourth biggest liar in recent history - the first three being Adolf, Old Irish Eyes, and that Liberian Steamshits magnate, Paulie Pockets

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cueball wrote:

NAFTA? What does he say about "mines and FTA"?

beats me...

This thread is getting stranger all the time.  

I wanna configure this program  

http://www.leedberg.com/glsoft/billy/manual.shtml 

to auto-respond to fidel and he can deal with it not any of us.... stranger

 Well, Trudeau and Fidel were good friends-that another connection...strangest.

Where does Kevin Bacon come in? 

^^ 

What does Hitler, Louis Riel, Trudeau, and Kevin Bacon have in common? 

Fidel wrote:
An' let's steer this rig back onto the highway in the mean time. Solidarnosc! 

exactly! Solidarnosc! against its government as compared to the CFS and the MB NDP government.  And right about getting on track.   How about developments in Spain?

"New success in the call for general strike of students Today, November 13th, hundreds of thousands of students in secondary and university education have supported the general strike called by the Student Union of Students. The follow up was 90% from 3 of the ESO in public institutes and 75% in the public university. Tens of thousands of students have participated in more than 60 demonstrations and rallies across the state. The vast majority of students of both institutes and universities have responded to the call of the Union of Students."   And in Germany..http://www.schulaction.org/?q=node/122#26   ..."This Wednesday, 12 November, 100,000 school and university students all over Germany came out on to the streets to demonstrate against the continuous worsening of the education system. "    That should be enough grist. International? Or back to Local? or Loco?

 

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I have a good question.  What about Red River College and CASA? 

Do they have any inclination to work on this issue?  Have they been approached? 

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Fidel wrote:

Yap-yap-yap yip-yap Youre just disappointed because CFS, the largest student union in Canada supports the NDP and not Libranos or Conservabrals. What's that Lassie? You say the Liberals have fallen down a mine shaft? And they need help? Good girl!! Now go home Lassie.

watch it.. bitches like me all pee on ur leg.

 

I would like to see more organizing among the High School students, they have the most to lose, and they bring a ton of "spirited energy" (that one's on the house guv).  

 Even more of a challenge is organizing the "could have been students" working in call centres and in retail or general labour.  This is out of scope already but related to organising the unorganised.  But how? a cultural or sport organisation with a political bent?   Get 'em while they're young I say and organise high schools before we lose them.

 

 -what is orange,scary and tricks instead of treats?

an NDP Jack O' Lantern.  (with apologies to "smiling Jack" Layton) its Doer that tricks.

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