Illegal Wiretaps

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Rexdale_Punjabi Rexdale_Punjabi's picture
Illegal Wiretaps

does anyone know how frequent these are? It's in this forum because of obvious reasons but yea. Seems like loads of ppl I know have heard echos, random cliccs, etc on the phone which are known to be heard when the phone is tapped. Hmm?

 

n I heard that cops just tap the phones in a area till they hear something about drug shipments and thats part of how they been making so many huge busts in the past couple years.

Doug

Police wiretaps happen out of the phone company central office for your area. The phone company is presented with a warrant from a judge authorizing the tap and someone just enters some commands for the digital switch to do it. There would be no clicking.

I suppose the police might illegally tap individual lines on their own if someone was a person of interest and they couldn't get permission for an official tap. I'm not naive about the police. However, it would be really expensive to do this for more than a handful of lines. Someone has to listen to those calls. Computer systems that can handle mass quantities of calls looking for keywords are a bit beyond their means for now.

Rexdale_Punjabi Rexdale_Punjabi's picture

idk about that if 23 division alone has the money to be flying 8-9 birdz plus 10-15 cruisers bare nights in an area that's barely 2km2 Hmmm

Slumberjack

Then there are the taps that do not require warrants, or phone company cooperation, that are not so much concerned with tactical enforcement as they would be with the overall picture, trends, acquaintences, networks, political dispositions.  Enforcement may or may not result, depending on the national situation, like a 9/11, an insurgency or disaster of some sort, where the public mood for certain measures can be manipulated, and the existing electronic rolodexs can be consulted to ascertain who needs to be visited.

Fidel
Doug

Toronto police don't have A helicopter, let alone 9 of them. They do own one small airplane. The incoming Liberal government in 2003 decided not to fund one. The Police Services Board later decided not to have one even if it were donated. They can sometimes ask to borrow the York or Durham Police helicopters or one from the OPP.

Fidel

[url=http://pubrecord.org/nation/2290/revisiting-echelon-nsas/]Revisiting Echelon: The NSA’s Clandestine Data Mining Program[/url]

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Mike Frost, who spent 20 years as a spy for the CSE, the Canadian equivalent of the National Security Agency, told the news program 60 Minutes in February 2000 how Echelon routinely eavesdrops on many average people at any given moment and how, depending on what you say either in an email or over the telephone, you could end up on an NSA watch list. “While I was at CSE, a classic example: A lady had been to a school play the night before, and her son was in the school play and she thought he did a – a lousy job. Next morning, she was talking on the telephone to her friend, and she said to her friend something like this, ‘Oh, Danny really bombed last night,’ just like that,” Frost said. “The computer spit that conversation out. The analyst that was looking at it was not too sure about what the conversation was referring to, so erring on the side of caution, he listed that lady and her phone number in the database as a possible terrorist.”. . .

[url=http://www.cse-cst.gc.ca/]Communications Security Establishment Canada[/url]

 

[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13155]Obama endorses continued spying on the lives of Americans[/url] And if they are spying on them, they are spying on us in the Northern Puerto Rico.

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i think this all has been understood for some time, from all ends of the spectrum.

there doesn't seem to be a way to deal with it equitably at present.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Okay, so this doesn't belong in the anti-racism forum. Moving to babble banter.

Rexdale_Punjabi Rexdale_Punjabi's picture

Doug wrote:

Toronto police don't have A helicopter, let alone 9 of them. They do own one small airplane. The incoming Liberal government in 2003 decided not to fund one. The Police Services Board later decided not to have one even if it were donated. They can sometimes ask to borrow the York or Durham Police helicopters or one from the OPP.

then whose choppers do I see flyin around almost every night? couple dayz bacc we were chillin in a park and we seen those other small airplanes that have like they look from the ground like those water planes flying around like 2 or 3 of em and manz have heard they got heatseeking equip on them looking for grow-ops.

Fidel

They dont tap phones by some guy hanging out on the telephone pedestal outside with alligator clips and a mobile handset anymore. Watch that movie Three Days of the Condor sometime. Even that was more advanced than the creepy guy out on the line scenario.

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having people tag around in person is intimidating too.

what's it going to take for all that kind of nonsense to stop?

Fidel

thanks wrote:

having people tag around in person is intimidating too.

what's it going to take for all that kind of nonsense to stop?

It's cold war baloney leftovers warmed over. The shadow feds arent terribly interested in catching terrorists. Theyre more interested in communists, socialists, union leaders, anti-war activists, etc. Same-old same old cold war era paranoia. The war on democracy continues

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what if 'the left' does this kind of behaviour? it's ok then?

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besides, where something is illegal, its not a matter of what the victim does or doesn't do.  the assault is illegal. period.

Stargazer

Who is talking about assault? The police can wire tap you, along with CSIS for as long as they like. They used to have to tell you 60 days AFTER they tap your phone that they had done so. Now, not so much.

People who attend rallies, or march for a cause (political) will routinely have their picture taken and added to their file with CSIS. This information is then shared with the US, usually DHS.

We think we are free but we're not. Not even remotely.

R_P, I've seen the choppers flying as well down town above the main core quite a few times when I lived there.

I was at the anti-Mike Harris rally in 95 when that clown just got in and I was interviewed by City TV. They showed that clip on TV. They did not ask me what my last name was, nor what I did for a living but when the clip aired, there I was and underneath my name it said "Single Parent on Welfare".

Funny thing that - because I was a student and working at the time. It was pretty clear that somehow City TV had gotten a hold of some info on me fairly quickly. I contacted them to complain and ask why they had put that caption under my name when no one asked my my last name, nor my occupation. No answer to that question...

 

 

Fidel

thanks wrote:

what if 'the left' does this kind of behaviour? it's ok then?

We're talking about the here and now I believe. The USSR no longer exists, and the East German Stasi never dreamed of the NSA or CSE's technical capabilities for spying on the lives of others that occurs every day in North America.

Iraqis have said the torture wasnt as bad under Saddam.

And Afghans said Soviet torture methods were bad, but that the American torture is even worse with the random vicious beatings in addition to the electric shocks etc

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torture is torture, there are Conventions against it. 

illegal wiretapping is illegal behaviour, it needs to stop, by whomever, CSIS officials or babblers.

Stargazer

thanks, no idea where you get the idea that bablers (us here on this internet) can wiretap you. It is just not possible.