NB Election -Take Two

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Caissa

The vast majority of NBers will not notice the election before Sept 7. Thompson is being careful to lay his allegations at the feet of Asfield and not Alward.

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Caissa wrote:

Then a guess the party wants to be another bourgeois parliamentary party like the rest of them.

If standing up for working people is 'bourgeois' then yes, you are correct.

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

You don't have to say "middle class" to stand up for workers.

The thing is, when you use that term, you identify with those who look down on the poor, not with genuine working people.  You idenity with those who make snide comments about "welfare mothers".

What you DON'T do is encourage working people to feel solidarity with those who wish to be working.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

You could say "The People", or "everyone who doesn't get their share".  

Unlike "middle class" those are inclusive terms.

Stockholm

"bourgeois" incidentally literally just means "city dweller". I'm not sure why they are the "enemy".

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Denial of social classes goes along smoothly with an antagonism to class struggle. Thing is, "the enemy" is doing it - brutal class struggle for decades - whatever you call them.

Meanwhile, thousands and thousands of Canadians are homeless, unemployed, facing declining living standards, without hope ...

Stockholm

and what does this have to do with declaring war on city dwellers (ie: bourgeois people)

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Just stick to bean counting electoral results, Stockholm. Never mind about the big words 'n stuff.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Look, Stockholm "bourgeois" may literally translate simply as "city people"(as the hammer and sickle originally meant nothing more than an alliance between urban workers and the peasantry) but the meaning most people ascribe to it is, more or less "soulless, grasping social-climbing moneygrubbers".   New Labour referred to such people as the "aspirational" classes.

In Marx's day, they were the class gaining economic ascendancy as the old aristocrats, whose wealth was based on large rural estates, were being eclipsed.  The were the people industrializing Europe(often at brutal cost to the workers) and they dominated the political parties of their age.

The observation about the word literally translating simply as "city dwellers". though(and I realize this is thread drift)does raise in intersting, if frightening question regarding Cambodia.

If the Khmer Rouge leaders(most of whom spoke fluent French)read "bourgeois" as "city dweller", could this perhaps explain why they came to the conclusion that everyone living in Phnom Pehn and other large cities had to be slaughtered?

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Ken Burch wrote:

You don't have to say "middle class" to stand up for workers.

Perhaps not, but you do if you want workers to actually see themselves when listening to you speak.

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

There is nothing wrong with describing people the way they describe themselves.

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Almost everyone with family incomes from $20,000 to $200,000 consider themselves 'middle class.' I highly doubt anyone can change those deeply held perceptions.

The NDP has always stood up for working people (who call themselves middle class). Supporting working people does not equal screwing the poor.

Good on Roger Dugay for recognizing this.

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