babble quote hall of fame - part 1000

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Summer: in the Speaking on behalf of the oppressed thread:

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"Sometimes it's ok to disagree and/or let someone else have the last word."

Fidel

Quote:
"... isn't it possible for left-wing people to study economics in order to present an alternate viewpoint?

It's not "economics" that is right-wing.  It's right-wing economics that's right-wing.

Any critique we do of right-wing economics is also "economics" - [url=

">http://rabble.ca/comment/1072112/Interesting-KeyStone%C2%A0]Michelle[/ur...

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Oh this is lovely, from Tommy Paine:

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Blaming Hip Hop for societal problems is like blaming African Americans for anything bad Al Jolson may have done.

Unionist

[url=So">http://rabble.ca/babble/national-news/gary-doer-defends-alberta-oilsands... true:[/url] - talking about Gary Doer crossing the floor and becoming Harper's mouthpiece:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
We support the NDP because it is the best of the bunch and then feel let down when the best of the bunch is not only not good enough but pinch-hitting for the other side.

Fidel

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"You've got to look at everything. How do you reduce emissions from coal? How do you increase the use of renewables? How do you have the increase in energy efficiency?" Mr. Doer asked. "All of these items have to be on the agenda. The fact that one project [oil sands] is discussed means that we've missed the big picture."  -

[url=http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2117774#ixzz0UWZFVpQ6]the traitorous Gary Doer[/url]

Unionist

Upon learning that the new "Sacrifice Medal" would be awarded also to those Canadian soldiers who died by accident or illness, [url=Snert">http://rabble.ca/babble/babble-banter/sacrifice-medal-canadian-soldiers-... opined:[/url]

Snert wrote:
They need a special Medal Of Adequacy.  Perhaps a slightly hand-drawn circle shape in a practical and inexpensive metal like nickel.  A coat-of-arms could feature a beaver rampant, giving a thumbs up, and holding a Tim Horton's cup, across from Don Cherry holding a hockey stick and making a fist.  Beneath could be inscribed "Ego Sum Victor" (Latin for "I'm a winner").  All members of the CF who are not convicted of High Treason or found to be a prank ("Lt. Hugh G. Rection") would be recipients.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

From the 'schism among atheists' thread:

Polly B wrote:

I don't have a problem with god.  It's his fan club I can't stand.

 

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Fidel wrote:

 

Unionist wrote:
Together, we must never allow the wheel of history to be turned backwards.

 

Too late! Because in the 1990's our federal Liberals turned back the clock on social spending in Canada by several decades. The UN has chided Canada on a regular basis for pulling the social safety net out from under women and children. Violence against women is said to start with poverty, and poverty is one of the root causes of domestic violence. Canada's abysmally low social assistance levels have been declared a violation of women's rights as well as children's rights. We needed rolling back the rollbacks well before the Liberals decided to spend billions on an expensive gun registry bureaucracy with illegal handguns pouring in over the border past flimsy border patrols.

 

Fidel

Oh you're too generous, RP. Embarassed

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Has it really been months since our last classic turn-of-phrase?

Oh well - here's a great one from tonight:

N.Beltov wrote:

Trolling is a form of teenage rebellion for those too wimpy for socialism.

 

j.m.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

Has it really been months since our last classic turn-of-phrase?

Oh well - here's a great one from tonight:

N.Beltov wrote:

Trolling is a form of teenage rebellion for those too wimpy for socialism.

 

Seasoned babbler on newbie assault? Classic move, eh LTJ?

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

j.m., as you know, since you posted in that thread, I paraphrased what I viewed as a trolling "newbie" who claimed that  "Socialism is a form of teenage rebellion for well-to-do kids. The smart ones outgrow it."

This is not the thread to argue about it.

 

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

A newbie after several months? Not in my book.

LimeJello has had lots of time to learn the ropes, and to prove that his colour isn't troll-green. Clearly, he hasn't managed to do either.

j.m.

N.Beltov wrote:

j.m., as you know, since you posted in that thread, I paraphrased what I viewed as a trolling "newbie" who claimed that  "Socialism is a form of teenage rebellion for well-to-do kids. The smart ones outgrow it."

This is not the thread to argue about it.

 

 

No argument here. I was just debating how this was a classic: the ol' 'take the piss on the newbie' move.

Fidel

Really, j.m., this is not the thread for squabbles.

j.m.

Fidel wrote:

Really, j.m., this is not the thread for squabbles.

My mistake, Fidel. I should have realized that it was just for cherishing already-posted snark and remembering the days when newbies "would just take it"!

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

...speaking of incapable of learning the ropes...

When are you going to recognise good advice and accept it in the spirit in which it is offered, j.m.?

j.m.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

...speaking of incapable of learning the ropes...

When are you going to recognise good advice and accept it in the spirit in which it is offered, j.m.?

By "not learning the ropes" you mean that I didn't learn to shut up when the seasoned babbers snarked? Or are you referring to the other suggestion for newbies surviving on babble: dish insults, repeat, and all that?

 

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Luckily, I happen to have a 'dog with bone' translation program.

Answer after translation: not today

j.m.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

Luckily, I happen to have a 'dog with bone' translation program.

Answer after translation: not today

Strange, I'm not the one (nor two) holding onto it so dearly. You'd think the act would get old. I guess someone will have to ask me the same question after being here for ten years.

al-Qa'bong

oldgoat wrote:

 This is a place where people can aknowledge what they see as a particularly powerful witty or clever turn of a phrase on the part of another babbler.  Hell, you can even do your own if you think you just didn't get all the recognition you deserved first time around.

This is an entertainment thread.  Please do not start battles anew here, or use it as an opportunity for one last jab.

Unionist

Speaking of the embarrassing horror of some hailing the accession of an Arab American to the Miss America throne, [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/arab-american-mu... reflected[/url]:

Unionist wrote:
I think it's time for a Muslim Playboy centrefold - to celebrate the end of both racism and misogyny in Amerika. Thoughts?

To which ennir replied, without hesitation:

ennir wrote:
Rahim Jaffer?

 

al-Qa'bong

This isn't witty or a novel choice of words or anything, but it somehow seems appropriate to save it here:

 

From one of those 9-11 threads:

 

jas wrote:

 

Hate to break it to you, but I'm the one setting the parameters of the discussion here. 

 

I hesitate to comment, lest the mighty and terrible jas should smite me with a thunderbolt.

al-Qa'bong

Frustrated Mess, carefully choosing the appropriate words to put Libby Davies' predicament in context:

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"For Mr. Harper to deride an MP respected and known for her hard work, compassion, and dedication to human rights as a "terrorist" is less surprising than it is offensive. Our Prime Minister stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the man who gave orders to his military to attack a peace convoy on the high seas. The same man who has called for the ethnic cleansing of an indigenous population. The same man who leads a nation accused of war crimes. As well, our Prime Minister has left Canadians to languish in foreign jails. He has abused the laws of the land and state institutions to silence those with whom he disagrees. He has sought to corrupt parliament and Canada's democratic tradition. He has brought into disrepute and politicized the office of the Governor General. He has gagged and intimidated scientists and bureaucrats whose jobs are to safeguard Canadians. He  has militarized the streets of Toronto to silence those who would speak to the leaders of the world's leading democratic nations. Our Prime Minister has run from parliament, and sought to cover-up possible crimes by his own government in turning suspects over to an Afghanistan regime that tortures prisoners and permits the rape of women by their husbands. Stephen Harper, lacking courage, compassion, or a sense of justice has not the moral or ethical right to be critical of anyone. To bandy about the word "terrorist" in an attempt to impose silence speaks more to the gutter from which Stephen Harper has emerged than it does a principled and decent politician such as Libby Davies. I apologize that I must even acknowledge such a crass and baseless smear from such a crass and classless man, but in the interest of open dialogue, in a free and democratic society, the right to free expression must be defended from those, like Stephen Harper, who would brush aside such rights in the interests of ideological dogmatism. "

 

Bravo.

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No Difference Party Pooper wrote:

I find the hysterical discombobulations of some of the anti-bombers somewhat protracted and distinctly unpleasant. Let the filthy state do its own dirty work dispensing justice and loudly proclaiming just how beyond the pale these 'terrorists' are. I assure you the official lynchmob will handle everything quite to your liking without  cheerleading them on. There is something unseemly and unsettling about hearing battery chickens cluck 'they deserved it!' as the 'unruly' ones are taken to the chopper for pecking at the farmer.

[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/national-news/royal-bank-firebombed-ottawa-part-...

jrootham

Tommy_Paine wrote:

It seems whether it's politics or advertising, the rule is to represent the opposite of what you are. TD merges with Canada Trust, reduces the traditional CT hours, then advertises that they have longer banking hours. GW Bush evaded service in Vietnam, so they call a decorated Vietnam war hero a coward under fire, and Swift Boating becomes a term in our usage.

It's becoming a safe bet that whatever someone says, you can believe the opposite. Micheal Bryant's post get out of jail free press conference being a good example; everything he said wasn't true, is true, and everything he said was true, wasn't.

But what do I know, being rich, never worked a day in my life, under endowed and unimaginative lover that I am?

 

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Here is a link for the above statement.  Try not to forget next time, jr.

Oh, and here is the whole thread "Foreigners Holding Sway Provincially and Municipally"

jrootham

edmundoconnor wrote:

-=+=- wrote:

Can't they defreeze WLMK?

I would have thought a seance would be more appropriate ...

For Beltov, a link.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

You jest. Those links are useful when no context is provided, when acronyms are used, when people want to look up the quote and follow the discussion that led to it, and so on. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ.

Fidel

Jeez, I get the impression you guys would argue over the colour of salt.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Whereby FM pwns this thread

Frustrated Mess wrote:

You say:

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But it does disprove statements like "the only victims in this situation are the Palestinians." And that is the topic of discussion: how we approach discussions. If we look at it from a simplistic, black and white paradigm, we will not be able to address the situation realistically.

You, like Yiwah, begin with a false premise. Who said, ever, "the only victims in this situation are the Palestinians"? Please provide me with a link or a reference? Good luck. Because the 'simplistic, black and white paradigm" is an invention of your own making. Let me toss the ball back to you. All the victims of the conflict, Israeli, Palestinian, Jew, non-Jew, International, are victims of the occupation. No occupation, no repression, no resistance, no violence arising from the occupation, repression, and resistance.

You are both working at hard at trying to re-frame the discussion to something, again undefined, other than the root cause of the violence and oppression.

Papal Bull

Fidel wrote:

Jeez, I get the impression you guys would argue over the colour of salt.

 

WHAT SORT OF SALT IS IT THOUGH!? Wink

 

eta: sorry, I got a bit salty there...didn't I?

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

i think Fidel meant jr and i. Turns out that we were both jesting.

Carry on.

Michael Allan Michael Allan's picture

@Lard Tunderin Jeezus, Re your post 42:

Excellent quote of Frustrated Mess, I agree! Here's a link to the original, if anyone else needs it: http://rabble.ca/babble/rabble-reactions/why-was-person-banned-part-2#co...

 

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Weighing in on one of the Black Bloc [saintly? or the source of all evil?] threads:

Unionist wrote:

The dichotomy is between organized collective action (whether "peaceful" or not), on the one hand, and the frustrated testosterone-based yelps of individual adventurers (and not a few paid police agents), on the other.

Slumberjack

kropotkin1951 wrote:
Well then just fucking do it and stop endlessly talking about how the nasty assholes in the bb are spoiling your parade.

kropotkin1951's response to Unionist's "I have a dream as soon as the assholes get out of my way" speech.

Fidel

[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/humanities-science/wtc-collapses-discussion-thre... asking interesting questions of the American inquisition lacking credible answers among other things since 9/11/01.

jas wrote:
Pants, where is the upper block in this picture? It sure looks awful short again....

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Merowe brings it on home, here

That is some deeply unpleasant shit you are pushing, Mr.Bone. How are we to think well of you if you insist on placing this insulting muck before us? The arguments - such as they are - are transparently contrived to give cover to some deeply racist beliefs. It is clear the beliefs came first and the arguments sloppily pastiched from cherrypicked factoids ripped from their contexts and smooshed together only after the fact.

World population is out of control because the brown people are reproducing without a care in the world - presumably because they're really stupid, perhaps its a genetic thing? - and rich western nations - hey, like the one we live in, coincidence or what? - urgently need to STOP ALL IMMIGRATION now!

Fuck me but you must be thick as a plank if you can't see your chain is being jerked. There's nothing wrong with some of the data, it is simply the construction that is put upon it that is so disheartening.

I'm no expert on matters Ethiopian but I do know their cultures, which have been around far far longer than our own evolved sophisticated coping strategies to deal with the episodic droughts in their harsh environment. But these have gradually broken down in the face of violence and civil war in which superpower meddling was a significant component.

Some cultures traditionally favoured high birth rates to compensate for infant mortality and it is not unreasonable to expect a delay - of a few generations perhaps - before they recalibrate to adjust to the improved expectations of modern living. Likewise in the wake of a famine it is entirely natural that a population increase the birthrate to replace those lost.

Now, take a nugget like 'the U.S. produces more than enough food and freshwater for itself' - on the face of it, fair enough. Until you realize its food production is based on an industrial agriculture dependent on imported fuel. The vaunted 'self-sufficiency' disappears in a puff of diesel fumes. Balance the playing field - let's see the US really do self sufficiency and forego the oil imports!

Rubbing salt into the wound, climate change driven by OUR culture and not those you are so keen to exclude from our earthly paradise is presumably the cause for declining wheat production. So OUR industrial agriculture is somehow fucking OTHER nation's food production - and they don't have the resources we do to deal with such problems.

I suppose as the global situation continues to deteriorate principally because of the criminal narcissism of the 'first world' we will see a lot more self-serving arguments from the privileged nations defending their right to their unfair slice of the pie. I'm glad I won't live forever.

Fidel

LTJ wrote:
I'm fascinated by people who want to claim that we don't have to hit bottom just because we're going down the slide.

Every kid knows you can stop on a slide, but it hurts, and one can only do it if the other kids aren't coming right down behind. It seems to me that instead of shouting "we're not there yet", these people should be shouting "STOP!"

[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/chomsky-warns-ri... Tunderin Jeezus[/url] explaining the metaphysics of fascist "crush-down crush-up" effect on society to self described non-conspiracy theorists who are having none of it. For skeptics like Chomsky and selective followers, society is a steel frame building which can not be annihilated by a lesser part of itself.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Le T crystallizes things into perfect perspective, in the Get beaten by nazis, lose your kids thread:

Le T wrote:

So, once upon a time I used to post on this internet msg board that took the existance of structual opression as a precondition for conversation. Since that's obviously not the case here, just humour me for a second and assume that CAS, the police, the media and politicians don't just have the best interest of the children at heart but are in fact part of a complex system of oppression.

What this story illustrates is the privilege of choice. These white folks are choosing to join the fight against racism and are being treated the same way as POC and Indigenous Peoples in a racist, colonial society. They are being physically attacked by nazis, they are having their children taken away (or threat of) by CAS, the police are not investigating crimes against them, the politicians are silent, and the media blame them for the obvious action of other people.

The interesting thing is that people (the media, Snert, ect.) suggest that these folks just stop doing what they are doing. And the truth is is that they could choose to stop and all of this would go away. The same is obviously not true for POC and I.Ps. So when we ask these parents to just stop what they are doing for the saftey of their children what we are really saying is "Hey stupid white people, why aren't you taking advantage of your white privilege, like me?!"

So--and I know this is going to be a bit confusing for some--to blame these folks for their situation is an inherently racist argument.

Unionist

[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/national-news/deal-extend-afghan-mission-without..., reacting to Harper's announcement that the "combat" mission will now be replaced by a "training" mission:

Jingles wrote:
Canadian troops "training" Afghans how to fight is like bringing Hamid Karzai to Ottawa to train politicians how to be corrupt.

 

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Jingles hammering another one out-of-the-park:

Jingles wrote:

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You must be thinking of Stephen Harper - $1000 per month per child.

It is the Duty of every woman of child-bearing age to bring forth many children. It is measure of the woman's Patriotism and Loyalty to the Homeland to Bless Her with as many soldiers, workers, and taxpayers as her natural capacity dictates, so that we they can march forward and defeat our Enemies, by the Grace of God.

Should a woman "decide" to withhold from our Homeland the great bounty of her womb, her treason and heresy will not be ignored. Fortunately, with education, and personal private mentoring by the selfless learned men of the Party Leadership, her antisocial mistakes may be corrected, and she may in time become worthy of the title "Mother of the Homeland".

Vote

[img]http://www.conservative.ca/media/templates/edaLogo1.png[/img]

 

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Loved this one:

 

Quote:

Unionist wrote:

1. Elaborate a scheme whereby society expands the necessities that it delivers to people (teeth, home care, you name it).

2. Clearly state the price tag.

3. Firmly pledge that the wealthiest will pay the most - the poor will pay nothing - the majority of those in the middle will on average pay less and receive more than they do now.

4. Elaborate spending cuts that government will implement, so that the full price is not simply made up by redistribution of wealth. Pledge to eliminate useless and wasteful expenditures - subsidies to oil companies; obscene military contracts; and countless other handouts to the already-rich.

5. When in government (or, to the extent possible, when in opposition and making alliances) - KEEP THAT PROMISE. DELIVER THOSE GOODS.

6. Do not do it alone. Do it in partnership with trade unions, women's organizations, church groups, anti-poverty groups, community groups, minority groups, the whole nine yards. Partner with them, even when - no, ESPECIALLY - when you form the government.

7. People will remember you with gratitude - for generations to come - as being honest, practical, strong, and most important - on their side.

8. Then, and only then, will people's ideas start to change. But the change in their ideas will follow - not precede - their changed life experience.

 

From here:

 

http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/ndp-framing-issues

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Quote:

 

N.R.KISSED wrote:

 

Your position is an unquestioning expression of the belief that the authority of the employer to set conditions of employment is tantamount. Your position ignores the historical realiteis that i mentioned earlier that overall conditions of employment across the board have got much worse over the last 30 years of class war. There has been an ongoing assault on working conditions and it is has been justified by race to the bottom rhetoric of globalization. Workers are too be greatful if they are not facing the same conditions as landless farmers and campensinos who have been forced off land that has been farmed by families for generations by the rapacious greed of corporations in search of minerals and other resources. The deeply impoverished end up in urban settings and are forced to work in conditions of squalor for subsistence wages. So don't complain too much, you could be next.

We are also speaking at a time when the most massive act of fraud has been carried out by corporate finance with the assistance of western governments. The working people are losing their life savings, jobs, pensions and homes as the financial elite demand bigger returns from their fixed casino economy. Yet you would imprison people for an act equivalent to raiding the supplies cupboard. I guess we need to make use of those prisons Harper, toews and day are building.

The reality is that people are actually taking action against crappy working conditions this is not fraud it is resistance and should be celebrated. It is similar to conditions in which people complain about welfare fraud the system is makes it so that the only way to actually survive is to engage in "fraud" For those working in the capistalist economy the choices are to go crazy, get sick, get fired but never take any time off that your overlord believes that you are not entitled to how dare you take action to enhance your life, relax spend time nourishing yourself.

IN one generation gone is the dream of people actually making a decent living been able to afford decent accomodation, without fear of homelessness, dream of a job that might be interesting and fullfilling of making all workplaces healthy and supportive environments where people might feel secure and thrive. No the insatiable greed of the elite needs to be satisfied above all else, there is no room for imagining a social structure that is acts in the interest of the majority of the inhabitants of the planet. No neo feudalism is upon us and the ruthless fight is on to determine who might be able to scrounge the scraps from the masters table. good luck with that...

..or the other option resistance, we collectively celebrate when people make decisions to challenge the beliefs that they are beholden only to the will of their employers

 

http://rabble.ca/babble/labour-and-consumption/taking-mental-health-day-...

jas

Fidel wrote:

[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/humanities-science/wtc-collapses-discussion-thre... asking interesting questions of the American inquisition lacking credible answers among other things since 9/11/01.

jas wrote:
Pants, where is the upper block in this picture? It sure looks awful short again....

 

Golly, my first ever Babble quote hall of fame nomination! (Although I obviously missed this one.) Thanks, Fidel!

Not to party poop or anything, but I can't help but notice that the overwhelming majority of nominations in these threads are by men, for men.

 

jas

However, I do have a nomination. N.R.Kissed layin' some truth on Sineed in the "Health Freedom" thread:

N.R.KISSED wrote:

Finally, your value judgement about psychiatry is just that and reflects precisely the faith in cure or treatment that you dismiss in claims of those who value "alternative treatments."

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Jingles lays it down, here

Jingles wrote:

Quote:
"My [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_bin_Saeed_Al_Maktoum]grandfather[/url] rode a camel, my father rode a camel, I drive a Mercedes, my son drives a Land Rover, his son will drive a Land Rover, but his son will ride a camel."

There won't be electric cars for the masses. There won't be endless green energy. That is, quite literally, a Deus Ex Machina fantasy where technobullshit will allow us to live our pampered lives without consequence. Demanding electric cars is like a junkie demanding chrystal meth instead of crack. The problem isn't the drug, it's that you have an addiction.

My grandparents crossed northern Alberta with oxen pulling a sleigh. My father hitched and drove the buckboard to school at 8 years old. Later, he worked building highways across Albeta. His kids were driven to school everyday. As energy costs increase, his grandkids will need to use public transit. His great-grandkid (presuming there will be any) will probably have to learn how to hitch up a team to pull their buckboard.

It's been a fun ride, but it'll be a short one. 

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