Abortion demands already from suppressed religious Cons.

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observer521

This is coming, you can see them floating skewed articles in the Sun media chain now too. A push for an abortion law is coming.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/11/poll-shows-canadians-back-restricti...

observer521

yep, that is what they plan to do, backbencher bills to limit abortion.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/05/11/canadian-march-for-life-to-draw-thous...

"The March for Life follows the recent national elections, in which Conservative Party candidates in Canada won a majority of the seats in Parliament with Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s party defeating Liberals and gaining 164 of 308 seats. Although Harper has opposed pro-life legislation and said his government would not push any bills limiting abortions, the results could allow pro-life backbencher MPs to obtain more support for bills that could offer some protection for unborn children."

observer521

These guys keep a list of every politician in Canada, and their stance on abortion and gay marriage! They are working to bring the defunding tactics being used in the US to Canada.

http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/index.php?p=Find_Your_MP,ViewList

They list Harper as pro-abortion and deceptive on gay-marriage

http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/index.php?p=Federal_Voting_Records&...

disenchanted

In case this did not get mentioned, the Sun's  poll was conducted by a person with clear ties to Tom Flanagan, who helped draft a paper on elimination of public subsidies for parties.  http://www.davidcoletto.com/research.html

Stockholm

I'm not sure that the new H of C is any less pro-choice than the last one. Some of that last anti-abortion freaks in the Liberal caucus were defeated (ie: Szabo, Tonks, McTeague, Lee etc...), the 103 member NDP caucus will be 100% pro choice AND there is an influx of Tory MPs from the GTA who seem to be younger more modern, economically conservative types who I cannot imagine being in the anti-choice camp. I don't know if anyone has asked the question, but I would be very surprised if Chris Alexander or Kellie Leitch or Eve Adams are anti-choice. Many of these people would have been paul Martin Liberals a few years ago and joined the Tories for purely opportunistc reasons.

 

observer521 wrote:

They had almost 100 votes for this in a minority.

January 7, 2011

A private member's bill that would have made it a criminal offence to coerce or to attempt to coerce a woman into having an abortion has been defeated in the House of Commons.

"No more than a thinly veiled attempt to criminalize abortion providers and promote an anti-choice agenda" in the eyes of its critics, Bill C-510, An Act to Prevent Coercion of Pregnant Women to Abort (Roxanne's Law), was defeated 178 to 97.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Kevin Lamoureux (Lib, Winnipgeg North), told me in person when I asked him directly, that he is pro-choice. He had voted in favor of Bruinooge's bill. When I asked him in person why he had voted in support of the bil, he told me  he had voted in favor of Bruinooge's bill believing women "needed protection and to be free of fearing coercion". Prior to my speaking with him, he had responded to an email I sent him asking if he was pro-choice by responding "I believe life begins at inception". Those are usually code-words for being anti-bortion. I told him that. But, I didn't think to ask him while I was speaking directly to him why his email reply and in personal response could have been seen to be seemingly contradictory. If I get further clarification on that, I'll let you all know.

He was sitting with a women at the time, and I didn't want to make an unnecessary fuss, or be ungentlemanly or ungracious.

observer521
Lord Palmerston

Stockholm wrote:
I'm not sure that the new H of C is any less pro-choice than the last one. Some of that last anti-abortion freaks in the Liberal caucus were defeated (ie: Szabo, Tonks, McTeague, Lee etc...), the 103 member NDP caucus will be 100% pro choice AND there is an influx of Tory MPs from the GTA who seem to be younger more modern, economically conservative types who I cannot imagine being in the anti-choice camp. I don't know if anyone has asked the question, but I would be very surprised if Chris Alexander or Kellie Leitch or Eve Adams are anti-choice. Many of these people would have been paul Martin Liberals a few years ago and joined the Tories for purely opportunistc reasons.

A very good point.  As I said above, Harper has united the right of center vote - which includes a lot of "fiscally conservative/socially liberal" blue Liberals.  

It's also why I think it's poor analysis to suggest that "Progressive Conservatives" hate Harper because he is so clearly a Reformer etc. 

Canada has moved toward a polarization between a social democratic party and an unapologetically "bourgeois" party with the Liberals squeezed out.  

The equivalent of the "enlightened" Wall Street types who gave huge donations to Obama and oppose Sarah Palin and the Tea Party etc. would be supporting Harper here.

observer521

yep, Sun"News" commissioned the poll, and they are using misleading headlines, of course, to try and promote the study results. They want to start by putting some restrictions on it, then defunding it.

SunNewsTV is the advanced dirty-tricks shock-troops for the neo-con agenda. They use them to try and advanced any 'story' they can create, like with Iggy, Layton, and the rest of it. That way, SunTV can use yellow anti-journalism to create a fake-story, and then other more mainstream media can pick it up. They learned that one from Dick Cheney, leak a false story, then refer to the reported leak as evidence.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/59-of-canadians-want-restrictions-on-ab...

59% of Canadians want restrictions on abortion

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

I suspect that the questions were carefully worded to garner the "right" response.  For instance for most people it would be hard to answer a question that says; "do you think a woman should have the right to an abortion up to the day before the expected birth date? "

Are actual poll questions and methodology available for this propaganda.

St. Paul's Prog...

 

Stockholm wrote:
I'm not sure that the new H of C is any less pro-choice than the last one. Some of that last anti-abortion freaks in the Liberal caucus were defeated (ie: Szabo, Tonks, McTeague, Lee etc...), the 103 member NDP caucus will be 100% pro choice AND there is an influx of Tory MPs from the GTA who seem to be younger more modern, economically conservative types who I cannot imagine being in the anti-choice camp. I don't know if anyone has asked the question, but I would be very surprised if Chris Alexander or Kellie Leitch or Eve Adams are anti-choice. Many of these people would have been paul Martin Liberals a few years ago and joined the Tories for purely opportunistc reasons.

I also very much doubt that Joe Oliver - the new MP for Eglinton-Lawrence - is anti-abortion. He strikes me entirely as a fiscal conservative.  He has a lot of credibility in the Toronto business community that is well represented in that riding.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

You would have to look at the riding executive and the campaign team to really get a sense of how much pull a particular group has on an MP.  Also of course the number of donations from people outside the riding can indicate support for a candidate on an issue.  NDP candidates, like Libby, that are known for their strong advocacy on specific causes get donations from people all across the country.  Not all MP's have that kind of nation wide support.

observer521

It does appear the corp media ignores the anti-abortion protests. It must be the right-wing wants their votes, but the economic elite is against the anti-abortionist agenda, so they refuse to put it on TV. All the economic elite want is no tax, and more wars. So they also use the social cons.

One has to wonder which team Harper really belongs to.

disenchanted

Globe did a piece which confirms the comments here about the gradualist startegy, use of other policies to scale back access etc.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/debate-is-on-as-thousands-p...

observer521

And pump millions into religious groups for "life".

Meanwhile, every family planning group now will happily arrange an adoption.

I think the 60+ anti-abortion MP's are going to create a shitstorm, and soon.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

CBC did a report on the pro-life rally - and also on the pro-choice rally being held on the other side, and interviewed folks who had quite heated opinions. I think the pro-choice could easy get a bigger rally on Parliament Hill than the pro-life folks if it began to look like a private member's bill limiting abortion was going to be introduced.

observer521

200 comments on CBC

Thousands attend Ottawa anti-abortion rally

 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/05/12/pol-abortion-rally.html

JimWaterloo
Stockholm

Boom Boom wrote:

CBC did a report on the pro-life rally - and also on the pro-choice rally being held on the other side, and interviewed folks who had quite heated opinions. I think the pro-choice could easy get a bigger rally on Parliament Hill than the pro-life folks if it began to look like a private member's bill limiting abortion was going to be introduced.

I don't know if it was intentional or what - but the people CBC chose to interview from the pro-choice counter demonstration had tatoos and piercings and looked totally "out of the mainstream". I wonder how typical they were of the people in the pro-choice march or if they purposely wanted to make the pro-choice demonstrators look like freaks?

Ghislaine

KeyStone wrote:

Abortion will never be made illegal in Canada.

However,

They may attack third trimester and partial birth abortions.
They may also hold a free vote on it which would be marketed as an exercise in free speech, and an attempt to appease the Chirstians.

It is already nearly impossible to receive either of these in Canada, as so few doctors are willing to perform them. Most women are forced to travel the US...which is having its own access issues since Dr. Tiller's murder.

ETA: What about the NDP being pro-active on this issue? Perhaps they could table some legislation in regards to access? ie, health care providers must perform required health care to women - they can't refuse as it is their job? I know that health care is a provincial issue, but wouldn't they have some legal leeway under the Canada Health Act? And if they did table some type of access legislation (for abortion at ALL stages ), maybe that would result in a clear indication of where each MP stands?

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Stockholm wrote:

I don't know if it was intentional or what - but the people CBC chose to interview from the pro-choice counter demonstration had tatoos and piercings and looked totally "out of the mainstream". I wonder how typical they were of the people in the pro-choice march or if they purposely wanted to make the pro-choice demonstrators look like freaks?

Huh? Tatoos and piercings are pretty mainstream these days. By comparsion, the anti-abortion folks looked like they were transported from the 1950s. Repressed, and out of touch.

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alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Harper isn't a SoCon?

I guess being quoted saying you want to ' police social norms and values' makes you mainstream,eh?

disenchanted

Looks like they might be able to move on this agenda sooner than we thought...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/two-supreme-court-judges-an...

al-Qa'bong

observer521 wrote:

Harpers devious tactics gave them power, so they will listen to him for a long time. But I do believe the social cons are not going to wait around too long. They've waited for years and are chomping at the bit.

The Republicans have been leaving the religious right champing at the bit for decades over issues such as abortion and gay rights.  They keep these issues out there in a prominent place, yet they never do anything about them, as they serve as a useful irritant, and help the pearly-white Republican cause to grow.

observer521

And 2 more Supreme Court judges are opening up. So Harper gets to stack it with 4 of his choosing.

Harper is a SoCon, but it seems he learned that if he tried to directly bring his views into the PMO he would never win. The anti-abortion website says that Harper is pro-abortion. I think he is anti-abortion, but knows its unelectable from a zillion polls.

It remains to be seen how much of the social Con will come out of Harper in actual votes. Or if he will leave it to outsiders to bring everything forward, and then pretend to act against it.

POWER is more important to Harper than principle. That is for sure, the amount of deception and lies proves that. I guess soon we'll see if it was means to and end, or not.

I think Harper and Friends would prefer a Canadian Christian Theocracy, but know its going to take a couple generations of social engineering to do that.

I read a good article on Harper on Fox, believe it or not. They said Harper's objective was to redefine what it meant to be a Canadian. I believe that is correct. He wants to redefine what being a Canadian is. Canadian Indentity.

Who knows, maybe Harper wants the anti-abortionists to kick up a fuss, to distract the country from getting robbed blind.

observer521

yes, but aren't the anti-abortion making some changes now in the US?

But true, by throwing them some red meat, but not enough, it motivates them to vote, organize, fund-raise.

Nothing motivates a person more than their core beliefs, especially about religion. In their beliefs, as seen in their literature, they believe that thousands of babies are being murdered, so they are never going to give up.

 

al-Qa'bong wrote:

The Republicans have been leaving the religious right champing at the bit for decades over issues such as abortion and gay rights.  They keep these issues out there in a prominent place, yet they never do anything about them, as they serve as a useful irritant, and help the pearly-white Republican cause to grow.

observer521

They could design/enact a law putting restrictions on late term abortions, or other restrictions. If they got passed, there is no law of nature that says a supreme court wouldn't uphold part of it.

They are not going to be able to make abortions illegal, but they can work to make it much more difficult.

 

As far as the Charter, the Harper gov't opposes the Charter, Fantino opposes the Charter, except for when police use it to protect themselves.

The Charter means nothing, in certain cases. I saw the Charter violated a few hundred times by the State at the G20. And no one can do a damn thing about it. Its a tough lesson to learn in the school of hard knocks, that in fact, the Charter doesn't work, if the State-Police-Prosecutors-Politicians-Media decide to ignore the Charter.

If the State is controlled from top to bottom, they can violate the Charter, and in fact nothing can be done about it. G20 proved that thesis.

The only thing left is class action lawsuits, which again do nothing.

 

Could they use that same model to be applied to abortion and other areas in various ways?

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I hope the real wingnuts of the 'Tory' party have their muzzles taken off and I hope Harper's team opens up countless cans of worms.

The SoCon agenda will have its supporters,no doubt.

But issues such as abortion are not as much of a hot button issue in Canada.

A SoCon agenda will never gain popularity passed the little pocket of mouth breathing knuckle draggers living in the bible belts.

The PLQ toyed with modest restrictions on abortion a few years ago and it was SO unpopular that Charest ran from the issue with his tail between his leg within 72 hours.

He then had to face the cameras and declare that abortion is a right,thereby closing the case on the issue.

I can't speak for the entire country but I'm pretty certain the same reaction would happen in other parts of Canada..So let them open up that can of worms.

What I DO see happening is a zero tolerance policy on drugs to fill all these new prisons..How the general public will react to this policy,we'll have to wait and see.

This 'hate crime' legislation is also very troubling.

It'll probably pertain only to those who refer to Israel as an Apartheid state and those vocally against the Emporer's regime.

I highly doubt that this legislation will apply to the JDL..Actually you can take it to the bank that the JDL will not be subjected to it.

Searosia

Alan Smithee...we cross posted, but I agree with your sentiment.

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I can't speak for the entire country but I'm pretty certain the same reaction would happen in other parts of Canada..So let them open up that can of worms.

I think I can speak for Alberta even...you'll see the same reaction here.  Infact, I suspect Harper will avoid so-cons....it's a tactic that works in Alberta quite well, ruffle no feathers and keep the vote apathetic.

Searosia

Observer - I think you're overstating so-con control in the Conservative ranks...though I urge you to continue monitoring and 'watchdogging' on the issue.  The reform movement (that I know anyway) is very much red tory...central or even left leaning socially and fiscally conservative.  Look no further than the 2 liberal mayors of calgary and edmonton for proof , and perhaps the overwhelming conservative majority in alberta that has yet to take much action.

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You are correct with this:

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POWER is more important to Harper than principle.

I think the conservatives are aware a so-con agenda is the fast track to a 2015 destruction of their majority.  So-Cons have problems pushing their agenda in the heart of Jesusland nowadays...I really can't see Harper acting outside the scope Stelmach has with social policy (read as doing absolutely nothing).  Even then...appreciate any attempt to hold harper accountable and to make sure nothing 'hidden' is implemented on these topics (my way of saying, please keep up the fight).

observer521

well, my view is that the Neo-Cons just use the SoCons, they manipulate them, to organize, get out the vote, etc.

It really all comes down to the billions, and who is getting the billions in tax-cuts and military/jail contracts.

But that being said, the SoCons can sometimes turn on their masters.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

But I remember Harper publicly embracing SoCon values that would not be popular in the urban regions of Canada.

 

 

He may try to distance himself from things for now just to cling to and hopefully gain support but don't confuse this man as a moderate.

notional

Repressive Conservatives or Regressive Conservatives? Just thinking ahead to what's coming down the road.

Regardless of the anti-abortion rally being an annual event, the timing was fabulous. Just the fact that Harpers own supporters assumed, or at the very least hoped, to see this on the agenda of their earthly messiah is quite telling. I could see this sort of thing setting off concerns by those on the left most side of the right.

So I hope these pro-lifers, anti-gay and religious right wing-nuts continue on rallying and getting as much media attention as they can. When these issues are given more light, the scrutiny on Harper increases and hobbles his agenda to some degree. I'm thinking this is behind his firmly convincing response on the G&M video and not a reflection of his true intentions.

At the end of the article, that fellow openly talks about how they could manipulate the system to get around the Charter. I imagine the Repressive Right salivating at the thought but manipulative cons (pun intended, no apology) only work when the dupes aren't watching for a slight of hand. I rather hope some reporter does an in-depth interview so we can see further evidence of just how smart they are.

 

observer521

Nightmare indeed. After Harpers G20 which literally SHREDDED the Charter, if he appoints 5 Con judges, Canada will become a different country. Frankly, the Charter is not really going to protect people, not individuals anyway. The Charter didn't protect at least 1500 innocent folks at G20. (1000 in cages, 500+ snatched in vans, etc). And all those folks have gotten zero justice. So after G20, the Charter ain't gonna help anyone, unless you have 50K to hire a superlawyer for 5 years.

Looking at it, I think its inevitable they will work to bring in an abortion law with some restrictions.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/the-coming-conservative-cou...

"Legal experts now believe Mr. Harper will use his choices to usher in a decades-long course of conservative Charter of Rights rulings and low-key deference to Parliament. That prospect is sure to delight those who view activist judges as anathema and the Charter with suspicion. At the same time, it conjures up a potential nightmare for the political left and civil libertarians who look to the Supreme Court to strike down laws that offend the Charter and to safeguard the rights of the accused."

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

@obsserver521:

Look, RELAX!

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

For Stephen Harper, this is about economics.  He wants to see a neoliberal economic system - unfettered capitalism, low taxes, minimal regulation, erosion and eventual elimination of social programs, weaakening of unions, power in the hands of the economic elite.

If the cost of accomplishing his economic agenda is to consort with and toss the occasional crumb to the social conservatives, he's more than willing to pay it.

But if there is any possibility that appeasing his social conservative supporters would undermine his capacity to transform our economic system, the social conservatives will be under a fleet of busses faster than they'd know what hit them.

politicalnick

I have the personal opinion that this could be an issue that is forced upon Harper by his own party with the help of the left wing in order to galvanize the voters into 2 camps before the next election. Both sides will believe they have the majority of support and believe they can secure a majority govt based upon it. I actually hope this becomes a big issue and that some very restrictive legislation is introduced and possibly even passed as it will mean a lot of the economic consrvatives will move to the left or lose their seats and the left will have a better voter turnout in protest and win more seats. Both of these effects would most likely lead to a conservative minority or even a fall from power completely which is fine by me.

The issue of a stacked SCC seems to keep cropping up but I highly doubt that any panel would stike down the right to choose entirely. Our charter may be in some trouble under the so-con regime but this is something that could very well lead to full scale revolt in the streets and no member of the judiciary, no matter where their politics lie, would want to be the root cause of such an event.

I also believe that most of the moderate cons know full well that any laws preventing abortion will only lead to bigger problems that were previously present regarding back-street clinics and self-termination. The last thing they want is stories, let alone prosecutions, where some poor girl used a coat hanger. Events like this would kill any support from the center entirely and could almost put them in the same position as the libs wound up in this time.

I fully expect that the trend towards conservative economic reform will continue with big strides toward globalization and the NAU happening in the next 4 years and this alone may bring the cons down as people wake up to the fact and start to see the results of a stongly corporatized Canada. If Harper were to try to combine this with major moves toward social conservatism he would be risking not only the status of his party in parliament but also a peoples revolution comparable to the French or Bolsheviks. There is still a strong undercurrent of socially responsible liberalistic views throughout a majority of Canadians and I don't believe Harper is too stupid to know it. His biggest challenge is going to be retaining domination over the party and its agenda to prevent its collapse from within or a huge protest vote in the next election.

Fortunately for those that are not on the right there will be many hot-button reform issues brought to the forefront by the extreme right-wing faction of the CPC in the next 4 years and this will play strongly in the outcome in 2015. I believe that this will be a 1 term majority as the disfunctionality of the CPC and its broad spectrum of members ranging from the extreme fanatical right to the moderate centerist will become a big factor.

remind remind's picture

disenchanted @ #74, why would you think that this makes any type of difference?

The human right of choice, is just that. Seems some like yourself and others in this thread still do not get it.

Choice for the women means she cannot be compelled to give herself into the service of another.

To strike down this as a Charter challenge at the Supreme Court level would actually have the blow back effect of making slavery legal.

There ain't no Supreme Court in Canada going to do that.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

I think that Harper will take some lessons from Campbell on how to deal with the Charter.  

You simply pass laws that breach it and see how many groups have the money to take you to court.  They breached the Charter rights of various unions in BC.  The largest health care unions went to court and 6 years later they got a decision that said their members shouldn't have been contracted out unilaterally.  The members never got their jobs back but some of them got minor amounts of "severance" pay for having been laid off in breach of the collective agreement.  The government was forced to go to the bargaining table and say fuck you to the unions demands.  They also breached the FerryWorkers Charter rights but they couldn't afford the hundreds of thousands of dollars to go to the SCC and get a meaningless victory.

There will be no repercussions for all the Charter breaches in TO.  After years of going through the courts the people will get a few dollars.  The ones involved in any suit will of course be even more suspect and require ever more diligent surveillance to ensure the safety and security of Canadians.

Like all things in a democracy the Charter only works if the people who hold power have respect for democracy.  I have lived under a corrupt illegal regime in BC for over 8 years.  They have corrupted the legal system with their Special Prosecutors and they laugh at people whose Charter rights they abuse.  Harper has no respect for democracy so I expect sometime around 2018 to have a few SCC decisions slapping the government on the wrist for breaching various Charter rights.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

CBC reported the anti-abortion rally on the Hill this year at 5,000; the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada is reporting 15,000. Big surprise. Undecided

NDPMajority

Unionist wrote:

observer521 wrote:

An ant-abortion rally on parliament hill on May 12?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2011/05/11/ottawa-watson-marc...

Very interesting. The mayor of Ottawa has declared today "Respect for Life Day":

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"In my own case I support the woman's right to choose," said Watson. "So these are requests that come in and I think you get down that slippery slope if you all of a sudden start deciding, 'Do I declare this day? Or shouldn't I declare that day?'" [...]

"If we start saying no based on my own personal views, we're going to be ending up on the human rights commission, and I'm not prepared to bring the city through that," Watson said.

Well now, we wouldn't want this poor lying creep being dragged in front of the human rights commission for violating the rights of misogynists, would we?

I'll be looking (in vain) to see which federal political party condemns this shithead for turning the country's capital into an anti-woman billboard for a day.

 

 

I don't understand why some in the LGBT community and so many pro-choice activists backed that tool Jim Watson. Clive Doucet was by far the most progressive candidate on the ballot, the only one with a sustainable vision for Ottawa, and a life-long NDPer instead of a Lieberal snake. If progressives had been smart last November, Ottawa would have its best mayor since Dewar.

Stockholm

Any way you slice it - it was actually a very small crowd - there are routinely far bigger demonstrations on Parliament Hill by labour groups etc...not only that but about 80% of the people at the anti-abortion rally were students from Catholic schools who were herded onto to chartered buses and got a day off from school - if you take them out of the equaltion - the attendance would have barely toppe 1,000

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

The CBC camera with a wide lens showed every available bit of space on Parliament Hill packed to the seams with people, and that was 5,000. How the hell do you get more than 5,000 people there?

NDPMajority

If there any meaningful threats to abortion in the next 4 or 5 years, there are thousands of people who will shut Ottawa down if we have to.

observer521

One thing true the Evangelicals say, is that some of the media is against them, like CTV National did not mention their anti-abortion rally, but had time to run puff pieces on elephants and luxury cars.

After seeing G20, the fact of Canada is that the "Charter" which I used to believe in, in fact is just a piece of paper. The cops never read it, and don't care, senior cops oppose the Charter except to protect themselves using their lawyers. The big politicians only believe in it to protect themselves and their careers. (exceptions are NDP and progessive politicians)

And to fight a Charter breach, you need serious money for bigshot lawyers. The Charter is better than nothing, but its interesting to actually see that in fact the Charter means nothing for the person on the ground.

Abortion is safe, but even that will be wittled away step by step.

remind remind's picture

If this past election should have taught anyone anything, it is that to speak in absolutes about the right and the elite winning is to make a fool of ones self.

People for the most part will call a halt to the sociopathic madness of those who think they have a right to it all, there is always the final straw....

Condoning slavery and ennacting it as law, is not going to be high on any person's list.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

I say it again, because I truly believe it, eveyone needs to relax on this. Lets stay focused on doing a good job in opposition, and then expeanding and solidifying support for a women's right to chose in government.

Stay vigilant,but stay calm, and on target.

observer521

People should not "relax". Of course its a free forum, and if all people can post is the word "relax" over and over then go ahead. But its arrogant and obnoxious, but so be it.

The last thing anyone should do about social gains made in society is 'relax'. They can be rolled back. And abortion is a minor issue, compared to the massive restructuring that is about to occur in Canada. Anyone who saw the G20 in Toronto, knows what is going on in this country.Top down political control of the entire police system is now in place, (RCMP, OPP, TPS, CSIS) that is a fact of reality for these issues.

So yes, progressives of Canada..."relax" and enjoy your high salary and nice pensions or retirement, and lull Canada back to sleep. Amazing. The public is almost fast asleep on the issues coming down the line. The worst thing anyone can do is "relax". The time now is for serious organizing and powerful action to try to just hold the line.

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I think being 'relaxed' is what got this country to this point.

It's hard to 'relax' with a Froot Loop wing of the Conservative brand holding absolute power.

The power to hijack the senate and the SCC...The power to privatize health care,take away a woman's right to choose,to turn the country into a police state,to criminalize speech and opposition,to kill the social safety net and to push this country back to the turn of the 20th Century with a whole new wave of Abolitionists.

Unfortunately,we do not have the luxury to 'relax'..Time to organize and take action.

 

Sorry observer,we crossed posts..Sorry for thr redundancy.

Clearly we agree.

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