Brigette DePape for prime minister (3)

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Gaian

Perhaps, NS, you can say this in one thread :"I don't give a fuck about Rosa Luxembourg or Lenin. I am not a fucking commie. So direct your moralistic, holier than a marxist crap for someone else," and in another criticize another poster drawing attention to your bullying.

It suggests a very short attention span - not to say loose way with language - on your part.
And maybe, MS, I'm wondering if the mods have "died."

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

So now you are taking things from one thread to attack in another thread.  It may give you a warm and fuzzy feeling but it it is frowned upon at babble. .  

I am glad you don't insult people but only say things like they have a short attention span.  I will admit you have a very nice civil tone to your insults but your post does exactly what it accuses me of doing.  Hard to post without a little nudge in the ribs isn't it?

So far your contribution to this thread are two personal attacks on me.  Do you ever comment on the issues in a thread or do you just stick to personal commentary about posters?

janfromthebruce

mod alert please. Won't post anymore because of a poisoned babble environment across various threads.

Red Tory Tea Girl

To answer an earlier critique of belief in parliamentary democracy and parliamentary supremacy:

 

Supreme != Absolute

 

And NS: Good job on the ad hominem derail... let's not talk about the times your friend has busted out their own privilege in a transparent attempt to silence those disagreed with because at a certain post count and endorsement of the common programme, one gets something approaching immunity.

 

Forgive the obtuseness.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

[url=http://canadians.org/democracy/documents/OTBB-0911.pdf]Thinking Outside the Ballot Box[/url] — Brigette DePape's 24-page activism manual.

Unionist

From Spector's wonderful find:

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Since my own action, I have felt a sense of fearlessness I have not felt before. When I saw Stephen Harper at the movie theatre two years ago, I felt the urge to do something, but I held back. I wanted to scold him for pillaging the dirtiest energy of all in the tar sands to perpetuate an unhealthy oil addiction; for stealing Indigenous land and poisoning our water; for subsidizing big business while eroding the social safety net the rest of us depend on. Instead, I muttered meekly, “Did you like the film?” By taking action, I proved to myself that I am no longer afraid.

And:

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Ed Broadbent’s response to my action very succinctly captures our responsibility to speak out despite sanctions from the establishment: “What’s the real offence, silently watching growing injustice, or upsetting the sensibilities of those who should be doing something about it?” he asked.

When a government’s agenda does not reflect the true values of its people – as is the case with the Harper government – it is up to every one of us to act to stop it. As Henry David Thoreau explained in his classic 1849 text titled Civil Disobedience, people have a duty not to permit their governments to overrule their consciences, and to not stand by while government makes them agents of injustice. As citizens of Canada during the Harper majority, we are agents of injustice so long as we are silent.

Just read the whole thing. This woman should run for the leadership of the NDP. She should run for anything. She has my vote.

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..i see from facebook that brigette has pledged to occupy vancouver.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

My god! How big is she?

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..not necessarily big. rather she is everywhere.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture
RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Why the razz, M. Spector?

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Perhaps I haven't looked close enough but I don't see the reason to diss Ms. DePape.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..m. spector can speak for himself but i took it he was commenting on my bad english.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

I guess there's no place for levity in the new Elbbab... unlike the old days.  [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/2eba6ip.gif[/IMG]

DePape was at the Keystone pipeline protest on Parliament Hill last Monday.

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Former Senate page Brigitte [sic] DePape was there representing the Youth Climate Justice Coalition, which DePape revealed is organizing a tribunal to put the Harper government on trial. "This is where change is happening," DePape told the protesters, saying she was happy to be standing with them and "not in there", pointing behind her to Parliament. DePape's parting message was to "organize together for another possible Canada".

[url=http://www.straightgoods.ca/2011/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=766&Cookies=yes]Sou...

NorthReport

I don't know her but is she some disgruntled ex-Liberal?

Unionist

No, NR, she's very gruntled.

She talks and acts the way a lot of our new young NDP MPs would be doing, if they weren't squished into their bureaucratically approved monkey suits.

She's our future Prime Minister. Get on the bandwagon before it departs.

NorthReport

Thanks unionist, always apprreciate your comments.  Smile

I like her already.

Unionist wrote:

No, NR, she's very gruntled.

She talks and acts the way a lot of our new young NDP MPs would be doing, if they weren't squished into their bureaucratically approved monkey suits.

She's our future Prime Minister. Get on the bandwagon before it departs.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

M. Spector wrote:

I guess there's no place for levity in the new Elbbab... unlike the old days.  [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/2eba6ip.gif[/IMG]

DePape was at the Keystone pipeline protest on Parliament Hill last Monday.

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Former Senate page Brigitte [sic] DePape was there representing the Youth Climate Justice Coalition, which DePape revealed is organizing a tribunal to put the Harper government on trial. "This is where change is happening," DePape told the protesters, saying she was happy to be standing with them and "not in there", pointing behind her to Parliament. DePape's parting message was to "organize together for another possible Canada".

[url=http://www.straightgoods.ca/2011/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=766&Cookies=yes]Sou...

..that's what i was thinking. that she is really gets around. chickenman. how did you remember that?

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

I guess I'm old enough to remember and not old enough to forget!

Unionist

[url=http://youtu.be/9dOmlZdjs-4]Brigette DePape @ OCCUPY TORONTO -Ryerson University Oct 17[/url]

Compare her courage and activism to the cautious and tired phrases of the candidates for the NDP leadership. She gets better and better.

Gaian

Boundles courage and conviction, but she doesn't have to count on that enlightened, staunchly democratic electorate,driven by other convictions and invulnerable to the propaganda of those other folks.

If only that mythical democratic mass-in-waiting would make an appearance, even occasionally, to justify such optimism in our democratic institutions, our media, our capacity for rational thought and action. Now is the time for it to make an appearance, for sure. A wide open invitation to strike a blow for the future of humanity, the kids, their future. We really must keep them in mind, and not have a breakdown in the process.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

M. Spector wrote:

[url=http://canadians.org/democracy/documents/OTBB-0911.pdf]Thinking Outside the Ballot Box[/url] — Brigette DePape's 24-page activism manual.

And now, non-readers can enjoy Ms. DePape's wisdom by watching her [url=http://rabble.ca/rabbletv/program-guide/2011/11/features/brigette-depape... at the Thinking Outside the Ballot Box event in Vancouver October 22, 2011[/url].

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Brigette DePape: How young people around the world are re-inventing democracy

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The majority of Canadians are against the Conservative austerity agenda. But this agenda continues to be pushed forward without significant, national, concerted opposition against it -- yet.

The youth-led uprisings across the world that are challenging elites offer us ideas for re-imagining democracy, and hope for making democracy work for us by using people power.

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When I took action in the Senate in June, deeply inspired by the young people who created the Arab Spring, I had no idea of what was to come just a few months later. Like so many Canadians, I dreamed something like the Arab Spring would take shape in Canada. Little did I know that come autumn, with occupations and protests springing up across the continent, the mood of change from Arab Spring would soon make its way across the world for North America's own spring. When people, not just elites, take back power and gain influence, we re-invent the possibility of a livable planet where all can live well with sane relations between humans and earth -- of policies and systems by and for us. By not only re-imagining democracy, but actively practicing it, we are re-inventing what is possible.

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Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Another link: 'Stop Harper's Gang' says former Senate Page in challenging Wildrose leader

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DePape says that Alberta and Canada face an ecological and economic crisis, and the Harper government and Danielle Smith's Wildrose, propped up by money from the oil industry, are choosing to spend billions of dollars to expand the tar sands, when they should be making the province and country a leader in transitioning to a green and just economy.

"Since my action in the Senate I have been meeting with youth across Canada," says DePape. "Many young people cannot vote, and I felt compelled to share the voices of youth who will be gravely effected by Danielle Smith's agenda, and take action to protect our future which is being severely threatened with the expansion of the tar sands and climate change."

She called on other Albertans and Canadians to mobilize in their communities, concluding, "People from across Canada need to find creative ways to take action to expose these dangerous agendas, and to mobilize to take back control over our future and our country."

Unionist

Thanks for finding this news, RP and Boom Boom!

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I think 2012 is shaping up to be a year of activism - and DePape is a great spokesperson.

 

ETA: Could we have ONE thread to list all forthcoming activist events such as demonstrations?

Unionist

[url=http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/2013/01/15/rogue-page-arrested-at-anti-enbridg..."Rogue page" arrested at anti-Enbridge protest[/url]

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Five anti-pipeline protesters were arrested Tuesday at the Enbridge Joint Review Panel in downtown Vancouver — including young Canadian activist Brigette DePape, a former parliamentary page who became famous for getting fired after holding up a “Stop Harper” sign in the House of Commons.

Vancouver police said the protesters, who brought whistles and “caused a disturbance,” were let in when the guest of a speaker opened a side door.

It’s assault by trespass,” Sgt. Randy Fincham said of the recommended charges.

I knew this would all end in violence... Undecided

Slumberjack

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The youth-led uprisings across the world that are challenging elites offer us ideas for re-imagining democracy, and hope for making democracy work for us by using people power.

When people, not just elites, take back power and gain influence, we re-invent the possibility of a livable planet where all can live well with sane relations between humans and earth -- of policies and systems by and for us. By not only re-imagining democracy, but actively practicing it, we are re-inventing what is possible.

Yes to livable conditions, general wellness, and sane relations.  To that there should be an end to the tragedy of the inordinate toll taken of youth from the violence being waged against them wherever they stand in the way.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

She's paying her dues, and then some.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Sadly, she's not running in 2015.

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Asked to name her favourite MP, DePape said she's more inspired by social movement leaders, and advocates people using civil disobedience to stand up for their values. She said she has no plans to run for Parliament in 2015.

Unionist

Just to clear up a common misconception.

1. I want Brigett DePape to be Prime Minister (as evidenced by the titles of the three threads I opened on that point).

2. The Prime Minister of Canada is not required, by any law I'm aware of, nor by the Constitution, to be a Member of Parliament.

I understand and even sympathize with DePape's decision not to run for that largely useless talk shop of a Parliament. But we still need her as Prime Minister.

She held up a "Stop Harper" sign which inspired many (me included). As we know from the traffic analogy, if Harper stops, someone else must go. I'm nominating Brigette DePape!

Aristotleded24

Boom Boom wrote:

Sadly, she's not running in 2015.

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Asked to name her favourite MP, DePape said she's more inspired by social movement leaders, and advocates people using civil disobedience to stand up for their values. She said she has no plans to run for Parliament in 2015.

Oh well. There's always 2019.

Unionist

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Oh well. There's always 2019.

If we don't take up her clarion call, there may well not be a 2019.

 

janfromthebruce

Unionist offer her that you will act as her campaign manager or whatever, now, and get cracking.

Unionist

Coming to Calgary on November 1, the "Pros and Cons Conference":

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/04/david-suzuki-theresa-spence-brig... Suzuki, Chief Theresa Spence, Brigette DePape [and Paul Moist] Get Together To Take On Tories[/url]

And now, Stephen and Laureen and their new baby:

Unionist

I still think she would have made a better PM. I don't even mind her flattering the new regime a bit. Time is on her side.

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/former-rogue-page-brigette-depape-... rogue page Brigette DePape optimistic about new Liberal government[/url]

pookie

after everything that has transpired in the last three weeks, I am no longer sure Unionist is wrong... 

Laughing

 

HisHighness

On November 4th we'll see the soon to be Greatest PM in Canadian history sworn in. Not only will he heal the country and clean up all the Conservative messes, but he started the process of ridding Canada of the NDP, a job he'll finish in 2019.

And thank God for it.

Unionist

* bypassing the God troll *

Unionist

Unionist, on June 27, 2011 wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

well it would be nice if Brigette also acknowledged that both powers within and without are necessary. That's where I find her stance naive.

If I told you that nothing positive can be achieved within the House of Commons for the next four years, would you call me naïve? As opposed to those who believe the "debates" and committee sessions will change someone's mind?

I think Brigette has figured out that the Parliamentary emperor is naked. That's not naïveté. That's the first step to mature thought and action.

[emphasis added]

Right here, in this exchange, a fundamental divide is revealed. And it's the reason I thought then, and still think now, that Brigette DePape was an excellent candidate for PM - because she not only figured it out, but was ready to do something about it.

I might open a thread on this topic (i.e., "Where does real power lie?").

 

Unionist

I remember this interview from back at the time (June 2011), when everyone - media, politicians, even too many babblers - were shocked and hostile about DePape's courageous statement of protest - for "disrespecting the Senate chamber", if you can believe it. I'm pleased to recall that in the face of a needlessly aggressive Radio-Canada interviewer, DePape was more than able to hold her own, in her French-as-second-language:

[url=https://youtu.be/qCdHfZCv9xw]Entrevue 24-60 de Brigette Depape[/url]

 

Unionist

From [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/brigette-depape-prime-minister...

Boom Boom, on June 7, 2011 wrote:
We need, somehow, to avoid the exact same result in 2015. How to prevent another Harper majority is what our focus should be on. DePape has at least got us talking.

Yes, Boom Boom, your dream has come true! And it feels as if you're here, joining in the celebration.

 

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