Canada Federal Election October 21, 2019

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gadar wrote:

She can blame it on her bff the accidental prime minister. Fake NDP

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-minister-says-canada-cant...

 

Give it a rest...we all know you're posting from your home under the bridge.

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Notley is Premier of Alberta Would you rather it be Jason Kennedy?

But what are our Pipeline King PM Trudeau’s reasons?

Trudeau is the Prime Minister of Canada. Would you rather it be Andrew Scheer?

bekayne

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

She can blame it on her bff the accidental prime minister. Fake NDP

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-minister-says-canada-cant...

 

Give it a rest...we all know you're posting from your home under the bridge.

The schtick was amusing at first, it's well past that.

gadar

bekayne wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

She can blame it on her bff the accidental prime minister. Fake NDP

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-minister-says-canada-cant...

 

Give it a rest...we all know you're posting from your home under the bridge.

The schtick was amusing at first, it's well past that.

Everyone has had front row seats for the last ten years. I guess the stage is for one person only. Two make it too crowded therfore less entertaining. 

gadar

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

She can blame it on her bff the accidental prime minister. Fake NDP

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-minister-says-canada-cant...

 

Give it a rest...we all know you're posting from your home under the bridge.

The one wearing an orange cloak has never had his address revealed.

gadar

Two high school kids shot to death in a Vancouver suburb a few days back and now this. Crime getting out of hand is going to hurt the Liberals, hopefully the Singh led NDP can captalise on voter anger

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/2-young-girls-rushed-to-hospital-a...

gadar
gadar

If somebody competent was negotiating this would have been wrapped up by now

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-nafta-speech-yeats-1.4705912

gadar
gadar

"..... advocating for the voiceless and standing up for freedom and democracy" Like him or not nobody accused him of being  meek and week

https://twitter.com/stephenharper?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp...

gadar

"Canada and its serious allies should give them a retaliatory response worth fearing" Don't hold your breath

https://www.macleans.ca/politics/donald-trump-and-justin-trudeau-place-i...

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

gadar wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

She can blame it on her bff the accidental prime minister. Fake NDP

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-minister-says-canada-cant...

 

Give it a rest...we all know you're posting from your home under the bridge.

The one wearing an orange cloak has never had his address revealed.

North isn't a troll, though.   He tends to get overexcited in some situations, but unlike you he acts out sincere conviction, not malice and he does no harm.  

JKR

I think there is a difference between sincere conviction and spin doctoring that purposively plays loose with facts and often engages in ad hominem attacks.

josh

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

She can blame it on her bff the accidental prime minister. Fake NDP

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/alberta-minister-says-canada-cant...

 

Give it a rest...we all know you're posting from your home under the bridge.

The one wearing an orange cloak has never had his address revealed.

North isn't a troll, though.   He tends to get overexcited in some situations, but unlike you he acts out sincere conviction, not malice and he does no harm.  

Not a troll.  Just a hypocrite.

MapleInTheEye

For my introductory post here at the forum, on this topic I would just advise there is little correlation with provincial politics translating to federal elections or vice versa. There have been several conservative wins in the past year or two, Manitoba went from NDP to PC, Ontario has went from Liberal to PC, but Sasketchewan is finally seeing numbers drop in their conservative leaders in the Sask. party and the NDP's numbers are up. The reason why is because all the mentioned parties have been in power over 10 years, some over 15. They all accumulate baggage and people wanted a change (even if its for the worse).

I'm originally from Manitoba currently in Ontario, and from what I recall the NDP in Manitoba was doing fine until they raised the PST 1% after running a campaign that seemed semi-against it, but when massive flooding hit the province and they needed to pay for it, they couldn't find other ways to balance the books and keep priorities going. Voters can be unforgiving on certain single issues like this. Nothing else seemed to matter, once the 1% PST hike went into effect, voters had it in for the NDP and they were out the door no matter what Selinger did or said.

For Wynne here in Ontario, the same thing is true for Hydro One. She won a convincing mandate in 2014, she had the vote she needed and she was a fresh face on the Liberal brand in Ontario. Once she privatized Hydro One - something even the Mike Harris Tories didn't do - progressive voters left her and never came back. It was a key moment in the past 15 years that shifted the entire spectrum.

P.S. When it comes to Saskatchewan, the reason why Brad Wall and his conservative cabal had such high numbers over the years is that they had a natural resource economical boom happen and he was able to spend money and pretend like he knew how to fiscally manage the books. Recently, they ended up cutting programs when the economy changed and didn't grow as much, so Brad Wall resigned and the Sask Party's numbers have been in a tailspin. And since the NDP is the party that is competitive provincially west of Ontario against the conservative option, that's how they will likely turn.

None of these provincial situations translates to federal politics what-so-ever.

For Ford here in Ontario, he needs to be reminded that 60% of the voting population voted against his type of government. People wanted change, largely because they aren't happy with privatization and cuts in services, yet that's what Ford's party stands for the most. Why many Ontarians outside the major cities (and now the 905) fell in love with Ford is beyond me, but the point is that overall that party still has so little support. It isn't like the Liberal-NDP tit for tat where the parties agree roughly 80%-90% of the time on most major issues, labour rights notwithstanding. 60% of this province is not with the Ford agenda and we'll see how that plays out.

gadar

Ken Burch wrote:

North isn't a troll, though.   He tends to get overexcited in some situations, but unlike you he acts out sincere conviction, not malice and he does no harm.  

What harm have I done? And what makes you think I am not excited about the current political scenario.

Malicious is calling other people names. It would be malicious on my part if I post and re post and post again, that you are a Liberal. Any time you make a comment about my post, I just say "give it a rest". Now that would be malicious and trolling.

And btw calling other people trolls is a form of trolling itself.

I didnt call anybody a troll. Nobody is a troll. 

Go NDP Go Singh

gadar
gadar
gadar

A Con MP say that Mexicans are going to move here and take over the marijuana business because they have experience. Shades of Trump

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gladu-mexico-drugs-1.4707431

gadar

A former leader of the Conservatives in the Senate is blasting her erstwhile colleagues

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ex-tory-senator-drunk-driving-1.4707832

gadar

US isn't trying to get Canada to end supply management: US Agriculture Secretary. He should also make his president aware of this

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-agriculture-secre...

 

NorthReport

This is absolutely disgusting behaviour by our elected politicians. How much you want to bet this payroll system would be fixed immediately if it impacted on their personal paycheques. With political attitudes like this it is no wonder voters lose faith in governments.

Union calls for public inquiry into Phoenix pay debacle

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/06/15/union-calls-for-public-in...

gadar
gadar

"What's the point in having MPs if all they can do is toe the party line". Cons are only concerned with how to con people into voting for them. Democracy is just a buzzword

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/maxime-front-bench-1.4705016

gadar

Criminals getting younger and younger, a 13 year old charged with first degree murder. This is what Canada has become under this good for nothing government. Go NDP, Canada needs Singh.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/boy-13-charged-with-1st-degree-mur...

MapleInTheEye

gadar wrote:

Criminals getting younger and younger, a 13 year old charged with first degree murder. This is what Canada has become under this good for nothing government. Go NDP, Canada needs Singh.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/boy-13-charged-with-1st-degree-mur...

So it is a politician's fault (either in Ottawa or Queens Park) that a 13 year old has taken up arms and murdered someone? Politicians aren't quite *that* powerful.

JKR

Justin was born on December 25th.

gadar
gadar

The glass used for the ceiling in the temporary House of Commons chamber is large enough to cover a football field. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/west-block-house-of-commons-mps-1.4709540

NorthReport

The Liberals all talk no action create tragedies such as this The only way to eliminate poverty is to make it a priority to eliminate poverty

https://globalnews.ca/news/4280238/bill-morneau-toronto-child-poverty/

 

NorthReport

Canada’s dollar is starting to sink like a stone So much for the Canadian brilliance in responding to Trump’s economic threats against Canada Also I am no big fan of Bernier but not convinced supply management is in the Canadian people’s interest 

 

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

Canada’s dollar is starting to sink like a stone So much for the Canadian brilliance in responding to Trump’s economic threats against Canada Also I am no big fan of Bernier but not convinced supply management is in the Canadian people’s interest 

 

So capitulation to Trump then?

MapleInTheEye

NorthReport wrote:

Canada’s dollar is starting to sink like a stone So much for the Canadian brilliance in responding to Trump’s economic threats against Canada Also I am no big fan of Bernier but not convinced supply management is in the Canadian people’s interest 

What does supply management have to do with the rise and fall of the dollar? Supply management was in full effect when the Canadian dollar was running at parity with the USD for many years in the past decade. It is completely irrelevant to the overall financial system and the CAD.

gadar

bekayne wrote:

So capitulation to Trump then?

Shouldve capitualted when Harper said it. Thats the difference between a strong leader and a weak pretend leader with pretty hair. I am no fan of Harper but nobody ever accused him of being weak and meek.

MapleInTheEye

gadar wrote:

bekayne wrote:

So capitulation to Trump then?

Shouldve capitualted when Harper said it. Thats the difference between a strong leader and a weak pretend leader with pretty hair. I am no fan of Harper but nobody ever accused him of being weak and meek.

Harper seemed weak to me, he was willing to give up to any US based policy half the time.

MapleInTheEye

gadar wrote:

"What's the point in having MPs if all they can do is toe the party line". Cons are only concerned with how to con people into voting for them. Democracy is just a buzzword

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/maxime-front-bench-1.4705016

Political parties exist for a reason. You cannot get anything done with 300 voices running in 300 directions. There has to be cohesion on some level.

Again, using the US as an example of what not to do, US Representatives in the House south of the border are generally speaking more independent than Canadian MP's. Generally they do want to toe the party line on some of the most important issues of the day, but they have more abilities to buck party policy. But the problem is that they run 435 independent campaigns, they raise money from questionable sources, and the unlimited dark money means most seek cash from the most important corporate interests in their districts. That means they represent the corporations, not the people. The fact they are independent, they don't have campaign finance rules that matter, and the fact that parties don't whip votes like they do here in Canada means they sell out to corporate interests. That's the entire problem with the American system of governance.

Party politics at least makes members responsible for something, and our more strict campaign finance laws here make it more public in nature instead of a private sell-off of seats to the highest bidder.

Again, just making members independent does not equate democracy. I disagree with the premise of the op/ed linked.

P.S. Robyn Urback is one of the worst op/ed writers out there. She sounds like a sarcastic high school writer and has very little substance in any of her writings as I see it.

gadar

Pretty hair trust fund baby will pay a heavy price for this if it ever comes to pass. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/auto-manufacturing-td-bank-1.4711080

gadar

The results in the Quebec by election show how the Govt's policies on refugees is unpopular. Pipeline King should be very careful moving forward on this

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-trump-border-immigration-crackdow...

gadar

Out of top ten ridings for child poverty 5 are held by Libs, 3 by NDP and one each by a Con and Independent.

Out of the bottom ten 6 Con, 2 Lib and one each by NDP and Bloc

The Cons are way ahead in taking care of the residents in their ridings as compared to the Libs. And the Libs claim to be champions of social justice. What a laugh

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/poverty-federal-children-1.4710221

voice of the damned

gadar wrote:

Out of top ten ridings for child poverty 5 are held by Libs, 3 by NDP and one each by a Con and Independent.

Out of the bottom ten 6 Con, 2 Lib and one each by NDP and Bloc

The Cons are way ahead in taking care of the residents in their ridings as compared to the Libs. And the Libs claim to be champions of social justice. What a laugh

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/poverty-federal-children-1.4710221

While I am aware that pork-barreling is a fact of political life, I don't think most progressives think that the way to deal with economic-disparity as an issue is for individual MPs to channel funds to their own ridings. Which is basically what you are implying politicians should do here in regards to child poverty.

josh

NorthReport wrote:

Canada’s dollar is starting to sink like a stone So much for the Canadian brilliance in responding to Trump’s economic threats against Canada Also I am no big fan of Bernier but not convinced supply management is in the Canadian people’s interest 

 

Many Liberals agree with you.  I think you've found your party.

gadar

voice of the damned wrote:

gadar wrote:

Out of top ten ridings for child poverty 5 are held by Libs, 3 by NDP and one each by a Con and Independent.

Out of the bottom ten 6 Con, 2 Lib and one each by NDP and Bloc

The Cons are way ahead in taking care of the residents in their ridings as compared to the Libs. And the Libs claim to be champions of social justice. What a laugh

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/poverty-federal-children-1.4710221

While I am aware that pork-barreling is a fact of political life, I don't think most progressives think that the way to deal with economic-disparity as an issue is for individual MPs to channel funds to their own ridings. Which is basically what you are implying politicians should do here in regards to child poverty.

My comment was just an extension of a comment earlier regarding the same new story. The earlier comment was presented as a criticism of Morneau as his riding apparently has the highest child poverty.  If Morneau is to be blamed for the worst, then somebody should be commended for the best. I was just trying to spread the blame and accolades more fairly.

NorthReport

Looking at next year's election that Liberal majority is looking shakier and shakier with each passing day.

gadar

Hopefully NDP can take advantage of the shaky Libs. 

Go NDP Go Singh

NorthReport

The fantasy that Canadians rallying behind Trudeau in Canada's fight with Trump will help the Liberals in next year's election is just that - a Liberal fantasy!

The hard truth begins to sink in.

Tory by-election landslide in Quebec more than a local race

 

But then, the Conservatives were able to get him, weren’t they? Andrew Scheer has been campaigning hard in Quebec, wooing nationalist-but-not-separatist voters whom so many Conservative leaders have courted before him.

The riding, in the Saguenay region north of Quebec City, tends to follow political tides. Reliably Liberal under Pierre Trudeau, reliably Conservative under Brian Mulroney, reliably Bloc Québécois in most elections between 1993 and 2011, when it became part of the NDP Orange Wave.

In the last federal election, the Liberals edged past the NDP by exactly 600 votes, with the Conservatives running a distant fourth. When MP Denis Lemieux stepped down for family reasons, odds favoured the Liberals holding on to this recent gain.

But Mr. Martel’s popularity resulted in a huge swing, sending the Conservatives from fourth to first, with 53 per cent of the vote to the Liberals’ 29 per cent, and the NDP crashing to 9 per cent.

So even as all national party leaders rallied behind Mr. Trudeau in his confrontation with Mr. Trump over tariffs, the voters in Chicoutimi dumped the Liberals for the Tories. And the trade dispute matters there more than almost anywhere. The region has four aluminum smelters, representing a third of Canada’s aluminium production. The local economy could suffer severely if the Americans’ new 10 per cent tariff on aluminium imports starts to bite.

STORY CONTINUES BELOW 

 

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-tory-by-election-landsl...

gadar

I agree canadians wont rally behind Trudeau. I had posted the same thing earlier, but somebody diasagreed vigorously. Now here is the proof. I just hope that the Canadians rally behind NDP and Singh.

Go NDP Go Singh

NorthReport

Why is Canada's Pipeline King PM so silent? Shameful!

Why is Justin Trudeau silent amid growing calls to condemn Trump’s detention of children?

https://globalnews.ca/news/4282894/donald-trump-family-separation-child-...

NorthReport

Liberals poured $65 million into Chicoutimi and got blown out of the water in the by-election. Even our Pipeline King PM with his so-called celebratory power campaigned there. Very disappointing and discouraging results.  Combine this with the troubling NAFTA negotiations and we could be talking recession here. If Trudeau were to step down, who would be in the running to replace him? 

gadar

In Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, Conservative Richard Martel benefited from the collapse of both the NDP and Bloc Quebecois to steal the seat away from the ruling Liberals.

Some progressives smh

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/singh-disappointed-by-ndp-collapse-in-qu...

gadar

NorthReport wrote:

Liberals poured $65 million into Chicoutimi and got blown out of the water in the by-election. Even our Pipeline King PM with his so-called celebratory power campaigned there. Very disappointing and discouraging results.  Combine this with the troubling NAFTA negotiations and we could be talking recession here. If Trudeau were to step down, who would be in the running to replace him? 

Dont be so disapoiinted and discouraged.

About the next Liberal leader maybe Red Dress Freeland. Or maybe the Pipeline Queen can give it a shot.

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