Canadian 'Labour Socialism' or European 'Social Democracy'?

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Machjo

remind wrote:

Because perhaps their right wing governments do not want to, marteno, oops machjo.

Why wait for the government? Could the Unions, FN, deaf communities and others get together and write a draft resolution on this? I'm sure les francophones would oppose their special privileged monopoly in the second-language classroom, as would the Catholics with their privileged position, and maybe even many Anglophones, since schools would have more choices for medium of instruction.

But in spite of all this resistance, if they could draw up a well-written resolution, pointing out that it's been done already in Hungary, and reminding people of the land-claims and FN rights, who knows, maybe they could convince some government or another.

Add to this that they could even through money into the arguement. Whether the school teaches French or Algonquin as a second-language, the cost is more or less the same either way, in terms of teachers, textbooks, etc. It's just that instead of language X, the children are learning language Y. THe money saved in not haivng to teach them French is the money being used to teach them the FN language, or sign language, etc. So as long as it can lay down a plan to show that, it might have a chance, maybe.

Then let me ask another question: what do you think could be done to make such an idea more palatable to right-wing governments? How pragmatic can

Machjo

remind wrote:

Because perhaps their right wing governments do not want to, marteno, oops machjo.

Why wait for the government? Could the Unions, FN, deaf communities and others get together and write a draft resolution on this? I'm sure les francophones would oppose their special privileged monopoly in the second-language classroom, as would the Catholics with their privileged position, and maybe even many Anglophones, since schools would have more choices for medium of instruction.

But in spite of all this resistance, if they could draw up a well-written resolution, pointing out that it's been done already in Hungary, and reminding people of the land-claims and FN rights, who knows, maybe they could convince some government or another.

Add to this that they could even through money into the arguement. Whether the school teaches French or Algonquin as a second-language, the cost is more or less the same either way, in terms of teachers, textbooks, etc. It's just that instead of language X, the children are learning language Y. THe money saved in not haivng to teach them French is the money being used to teach them the FN language, or sign language, etc. So as long as it can lay down a plan to show that, it might have a chance, maybe.

Then let me ask another question: what do you think could be done to make such an idea more palatable to right-wing governments? How pragmatic can the left be in getting the

Machjo

remind wrote:

Because perhaps their right wing governments do not want to, marteno, oops machjo.

Why wait for the government? Could the Unions, FN, deaf communities and others get together and write a draft resolution on this? I'm sure les francophones would oppose their special privileged monopoly in the second-language classroom, as would the Catholics with their privileged position, and maybe even many Anglophones, since schools would have more choices for medium of instruction.

But in spite of all this resistance, if they could draw up a well-written resolution, pointing out that it's been done already in Hungary, and reminding people of the land-claims and FN rights, who knows, maybe they could convince some government or another.

Add to this that they could even through money into the arguement. Whether the school teaches French or Algonquin as a second-language, the cost is more or less the same either way, in terms of teachers, textbooks, etc. It's just that instead of language X, the children are learning language Y. THe money saved in not haivng to teach them French is the money being used to teach them the FN language, or sign language, etc. So as long as it can lay down a plan to show that, it might have a chance, maybe.

Then let me ask another question: what do you think could be done to make such an idea more palatable to right-wing governments? How pragmatic can the left be in getting the job

Machjo

remind wrote:

Because perhaps their right wing governments do not want to, marteno, oops machjo.

Why wait for the government? Could the Unions, FN, deaf communities and others get together and write a draft resolution on this? I'm sure les francophones would oppose their special privileged monopoly in the second-language classroom, as would the Catholics with their privileged position, and maybe even many Anglophones, since schools would have more choices for medium of instruction.

But in spite of all this resistance, if they could draw up a well-written resolution, pointing out that it's been done already in Hungary, and reminding people of the land-claims and FN rights, who knows, maybe they could convince some government or another.

Add to this that they could even through money into the arguement. Whether the school teaches French or Algonquin as a second-language, the cost is more or less the same either way, in terms of teachers, textbooks, etc. It's just that instead of language X, the children are learning language Y. THe money saved in not haivng to teach them French is the money being used to teach them the FN language, or sign language, etc. So as long as it can lay down a plan to show that, it might have a chance, maybe.

Then let me ask another question: what do you think could be done to make such an idea more palatable to right-wing governments? How pragmatic can the left be in getting the job done?

Machjo

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Machjo

Ignore this and the next few posts. Seems to have been a technical glitch. Please skip to post number 156.

Machjo

Ken Burch wrote:

That's the all time record for duplicate posts, Machjo.  Wow!

So...do you think we should wait for the government?

Sorry, I don't know what happened there. Anyway, I was just saying, why could the union movement not draw up a resolution to present to the government, one that would be fair and pragmatic enough to get enough support from moderates on both sides of the spectrum?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

That's the all time record for duplicate posts, Machjo.  Wow!

So...do you think we should wait for the government?

Seriously, though...why do you still assume that the unions are the main impediment to more FN language education?  I don't think they have any real reason to oppose it or any actual history of opposing it.  And it seems like you've used your feelings on the FN language issue (feelings that are fully valid, as it clearly should be done) to push an anti-union agenda that actually has nothing to do with the question of FN language instruction at all.

If nothing else, more union jobs would be created when more teachers were hired to teach FN languages, so that should actually give unions ar reason to support your idea on that.  And I think they will, especially if you don't start from the assumption that they'd dig in their heels to stop it.

remind remind's picture

Why would the unions do that without  FN's spear heading such a thing?

And you need to remember the process for equal language recognition, marteno, has already been started by Nunavut.

 

Anyway this thread is ruined with all the "accidental" multiple posts. I am outta here.

Machjo

Because the FN currently have limited power off-reserve, and the education system is primarily dominated by teachers' unions with likely more influence over the system.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Well, then FN's need to approach those unions and ask them to back an FN-led effort to get equal recognition for FN languages.  Then start on the NDP and the BQ mp's.  The NDP are the most progressive party in the Commons and(if we're going federal on this)the BQ need to back this to show that they will defend ALL non-anglophones.

That is the way to establish a productive strategy.   Not by starting out on the assumption that the unions and the political left are automatically going to oppose FN language equality.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Holy moly long thread.

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