Canadian MPs vote to include seal skin on Olympic uniforms. WTF?

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surfdoc surfdoc's picture

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[And animal-derived products are not a necessity - there are lots of healthy vegans out there.

 

It is my understanding that a vegan diet cannot supply proper levels of vitamin B12 and that supplementation of Vit B12 relies on animal-derived research. I could very well be wrong on this point though.

melovesproles

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For all those that want our athletes to be forced to wear seal furs, and especially those who also consider the seal hunt more humane than your average factory farming methods ... maybe using our athletes as political slaves and have them walk in wearing animated billboards depicting inhumane farming practices would be a more efficient and important use of resources?

But personally, while I am in mild support of seal hunting, and in much stronger opposition to modern inhumane animal treatment, but somehow I still can't bring myself to force a specific group of citizens (even if they do work for the government) into being force marched in support of my, or anyone's' agenda

Yeah, that's how I feel too.  I think it is a divisive issue and while I fully agree factory farming is worse, I don't think the consensus that our politicians are claiming exists in Canada is there in reality or that athletes should be forced to make a political statement which they don't believe in. 

As for retaliating against the EU in regards to Bull fighting, I think those that lobbied against the seal hunt would probably welcome that.  In my experience in Spain the same people who oppose the seal hunt would like to see an end to bull fighting, I think the hypochrisy is more a result of there not being the same kind of powerful local resistance to go up against in regards to the seal hunt and not necessarily inconsistancy amongst the European animal rights lobby.

Jingles

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the Olympics are not to be used as a platform for special causes.

That's right, The Olympics are above that sort of thing.

*godwin alert*

Ghislaine

Chilling picture, Jingles.

Jingles

The dude on the right is really showing his Olympic spirit.

al-Qa'bong

Ghislaine wrote:

Chilling picture, Jingles.

 

Chilling schmilling.  A year later our Prime Minister hung out with uncle Adolf and fell in love with the now-reviled dick-tater:

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"He smiled very pleasantly, and indeed had a sort of appealing and affectionate look in his eyes. My sizing up of the man as I sat and talked with him was that he is really one who truly loves his fellow man and his country ... his eyes impressed me most of all. There was a liquid quality about them which indicated keen perception and profound sympathy (calm, composed) - and one could see how particularly humble folk would come to have a profound love for the man."

 

WLMK

 

We went through Perigord a few years ago (stopping in Oradour-sur-Glane on the way) and you wouldn't believe the fois gras-related stuff they have there. It's a big tourist attraction. Some friends asked us to bring them back some fois gras. We refused.

 

Now pass the veal scalopini.

 

remind remind's picture

Oh yes,  we will be able to see Nike swooshes, Addias lines, Campbell's soup logos, MacDonalds arches, throughot the whole Olympic venue,  all symbols of corporate colonial control poltics, but hey, not seal products as they make the athletes "march in lock step, but not a worry is given by some as to the capitalistic lockstep the athletes are involved in and will become a part of.

No Yards No Yards's picture

Every Canadian can wear seal skin during the Olympics if they wish, it's a free country .... free that is until we start forcing our athletes into displaying political messages of the day.

No one is forcing any of those corporations into displaying their symbols. If the government wants it can make available seal skin versions of the official uniform, and the athletes that want to participate in politics can do so ... making them participate in politics against their will is not something I would think a democracy should be involved in.

 

remind remind's picture

They are participating in politics, by just participating in the Olympics.

Tommy_Paine

 

I suppose Puffin shoes are right out of the question.

 

No Yards No Yards's picture

remind wrote:

They are participating in politics, by just participating in the Olympics.

 

So? Even if that is true, that doesn't give anyone, including the government, the right to tell them what particular politics they can participate in and what their politicals stance will be.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Tommy_Paine wrote:

I suppose Puffin shoes are right out of the question.

Absolutely. Puffins are notoriously slow and awkward on land. Puffins are for making swim trunks.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Ghislaine wrote:

Chilling picture, Jingles.

Chilling? Are you for real? Jesse Owens taking the number one spot over Luz Long and Tajima (from Japan)? That is one of the most inspiring sports photographs ever. It captures the spirit of the age. It is victory in the face of racism and opression. What is really chilling is this:

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Despite Hitler's feelings, Owens was cheered enthusiastically by 110,000 people in Berlin's Olympic Stadium and later ordinary Germans sought his autograph when they saw him in the streets. Owens was allowed to travel with and stay in the same hotels as whites, an irony at the time given that blacks in the United States were denied equal rights. After a New York ticker-tape parade in his honor, Owens had to ride the freight elevator to attend his own reception at the Waldorf-Astoria.

"Hitler didn't snub me-it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn't even send me a telegram."

Meanwhile, Long giving the official party salute is just pro forma, and nothing to do with his actual sympathies apparently. I don't think that Long was even in the party, and Owens said of their friendship at the games: "It took a lot of courage for him to befriend me in front of Hitler... You can melt down all the medals and cups I have and they wouldn't be a plating on the twenty-four karat friendship that I felt for Lutz Long at that moment."

 Your histrionics are misplaced.

Ghislaine

Cueball, I meant it was chilling in that one of the athletes is giving the heil hitler salute right beside Owens and the world was oblivious (and unwilling to list to Hitler) about what was about to come in only a few years time.

I agree wholeheartedly that Owens winning gold was inspiring­.  I think you read my comment totally wrong and have gone a bit over the top.

remind remind's picture

No Yards wrote:
remind wrote:
They are participating in politics, by just participating in the Olympics.

 

So? Even if that is true, that doesn't give anyone, including the government, the right to tell them what particular politics they can participate in and what their politicals stance will be.

Why? Corporation sponsors are telling them for their sponsorship dollars, why can't governments? I would say democracy demands it.

No Yards No Yards's picture

Corporations are forcing athletes to support particular political opinions?

I know that they ask athletes to wear certain logos, in situations where logos are appropiate and allowed, in exchange for some funding, but I don't recall any athletes walking into the open ceremonies with "support sweatshops", or "cut corporate taxes" t-shirts.

But, if it's not too late, maybe Harper could force the athletes into wearing CPC logos on the front of their seal skin jackets on opening day?

RosaL

My complaint is that I'm forced to support ANY of this.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Ghislaine wrote:

Cueball, I meant it was chilling in that one of the athletes is giving the heil hitler salute right beside Owens and the world was oblivious (and unwilling to list to Hitler) about what was about to come in only a few years time.

I agree wholeheartedly that Owens winning gold was inspiring­.  I think you read my comment totally wrong and have gone a bit over the top.

Everyone was giving that salute. Owens himself is saluting the German national anthem, Duetschland Uber Allez, as is the entire crowd, the same crowd that came to its feet when Owens won medal after medal. Lutz, who befriended Owens at the games, is the same athlete photographed below lying closely beside Owens, discussing technique, or so it is said.

Lutz, despite the salute, had the "courage" (Owens word) to make a far more powerful symbolic gesture than the salute by being overtly friendly with Owens. Lutz may even be aware of the deep irony of the image that is being presented.

Its necessary to look behind the appearance of things. For example, what does it mean that Owens is using the traditional American military salute at the games, given the racist establishment that it symbolizes? You seem to think that there is something particularly chilling about National Socialist genocidal racism, but not about American genocidal racism that was still overt in American society at the time Owens ran for the USA team.

Ignored by the president, Owens ended having his amateur status revoked after he failed to comply with a request to run for the USA in Sweden, seemed destined to poverty after his career went up in smoke and the dry cleaning business he started went bust. It was only much later that the American establishment, and it seems Americans recognized the true meaning of that moment, because Owens struggle is not just against German National Socialist racism, but also American racism.

Cueball Cueball's picture

I am suprised anyone is paying any attention to this at all.

remind remind's picture

Yes, they are, for example forcing them to; participate in an activity on stolen land, be shills for corporations destroying the environment and society through wearing corporate logo's and having to have corporate sponsorship, saying nothing of their forcing them to accept sexist practises..etc.

No Yards No Yards's picture

remind wrote:

Yes, they are, for example forcing them to; participate in an activity on stolen land, be shills for corporations destroying the environment and society through wearing corporate logo's and having to have corporate sponsorship, saying nothing of their forcing them to accept sexist practises..etc.

 

I'd call that "tricking" them into doing such things, as we all are "tricked" to some extent ( I believe that's called "being amember of society,) but that's still not that same thing as forcing them to actively and blatently participate in a political statement / activism, and especially when it's being done by the government.

 

remind remind's picture

So what, you think "tricking" is okay, as opposed to insisting other messaging is appropriate then too?

That said, I call BS on the tricking.

chele

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remind remind's picture

Moving books and things around yesterday, I found some "ancient" reference material on the Canadian seal hunt. All that I can say is, people were really more progressive, and aware in 1976 than they are today. Even the governments. What the hell happened to people's brains?

martin dufresne

Quebec Solidaire MP Amir Khadir refused to vote along with other Quebec MPs, saying he did not recognize the WTO as the preferred framework for arbitrating disputes among nations.

Motion sans préavis sur la chasse aux phoques «La chasse aux phoques, oui ; l'OMC, non.» - Amir Khadir

Le 6 mai 2009

 

Québec, le 5 mai 2009 - Le député Amir Khadir tient à expliquer la raison pour laquelle il s'est abstenu aujourd'hui sur une motion sans préavis condamnant la chasse au phoque. «Si je me suis abstenu aujourd'hui en chambre, c'est que Québec solidaire ne reconnaît nullement l'Organisation mondiale du commerce comme cadre de résolution des conflits commerciaux entre nations. C'est ce même type de cadre juridique dicté par les marchés qui permet à des multinationales de poursuivre des états souverains.»

 

De manière plus générale, l'Europe est fort mal placée pour faire la morale au Québec quant à la pêche traditionnelle du phoque. Le député de Mercier ne partage aucunement le malaise affiché par le Parlement européen face à cette chasse puisqu'elle représente une source de revenus importante pour les communautés locales. En effet, l'Europe présente des contradictions majeures face à sa position dans ce dossier. «Le Canada devrait inviter l'Europe à prêcher par l'exemple et repenser avec nous notre consommation excessive de viandes qui est la plus grande source de cruauté envers les animaux» de préciser le député Amir Khadir.

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Michelle wrote:

Sealing is one of the few animal industries where the animals get to live in their natural habitat until they die, there's no danger of extinction...

Most of the opposition to the seal "hunt" is against the mass slaughter of 21 day old seals.

 

KeyStone

But gosh, according to the posters here, they are able to live out their lives in freedom instead of in cages - yeah, all 21 day of it.

Snert Snert's picture

If a polar bear eats one at 14 days, who do I send my enraged letter of protest to?

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

lonewolfbunn wrote:

Michelle wrote:

Sealing is one of the few animal industries where the animals get to live in their natural habitat until they die, there's no danger of extinction...

Most of the opposition to the seal "hunt" is against the mass slaughter of 21 day old seals.

Interesting claim, but I've seen no evidence that the protests are so nuanced.

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In Barcelona, men armed with clubs and appareled as hunters pursued half-naked women bathed in stage blood. In Canberra, five Australian women simply stripped bare before the High Commission in silent protest. High school students in Naples, Florida, were more modest, opting to remain clothed and holding up cutely painted signs that read, “Hug me/Don’t club me” for passing motorists.

here

6079_Smith_W

KeyStone wrote:

But gosh, according to the posters here, they are able to live out their lives in freedom instead of in cages - yeah, all 21 day of it.

Since someone has already called this zombie thread back from the dead....

I have no problem with it , and I wouldn't even if it were just a matter of population control, not skins. THe question of humane kills (which is a separate issue) aside, how is this any different from controlling deer, beavers, gophers, rats, mice, ants or mosquitoes?

 

Vansterdam Kid

Because seals are cuter (and not European) therefore it's different from other population control methods and just bad.

Pogo Pogo's picture

Yes you don't see as many people complaining about shaking the Canada Goose eggs in Stanley park.  Bird poop is not as cute.

6079_Smith_W

Vansterdam Kid wrote:

Because seals are cuter (and not European) therefore it's different from other population control methods and just bad.

And the control happens one way or another anyway - if it's not trapping, shooting or sterilization it's roadkill.

Of course there is always the natural method of animal control.... the slow and painful process of starvation, which is pretty common when we don't take steps to manage wild populations.

And speaking of animal control, a moose just died yesterday in Regina when they tried to tranquilize it and take it out of Wascana Park in the centre of town. And some of the rural municipalities here were talking at their recent convention about increasing the beaver bounty to $40 per animal. And that has nothing to do with fur. It is to protect crops and roads from flooding.

 

Pogo Pogo's picture

In Richmond we have a problem with bunnies.  Usually abandoned domestic.  They breed like rabbits.  Anywise I heard through the grapevine that a couple of captured coyotes were transplanted to Richmond's ALR and nature is finding a balance.

West Coast Greeny

Alright. Although, on principle, I AM opposed to banning the seal hunt, on my list of causes to advocate for, it is way, way, way down the list. Like Michelle said, factory farming is a far greater issue.

The thing is that it is far more politically expedient to boycott the seal hunt and harm a small group of Inuit then it is to really raise food standards, and run against the entire agricultural lobby.

That said, forcing Olympians to wear seal skin, some of whom might be opposed to the seal hunt, some of whom might be vegetarian, just to make a political point, is kind of ridiculous.

West Coast Greeny

remind wrote:

Moving books and things around yesterday, I found some "ancient" reference material on the Canadian seal hunt. All that I can say is, people were really more progressive, and aware in 1976 than they are today. Even the governments. What the hell happened to people's brains?

The 80's.

6079_Smith_W

@ Pogo, 

And don't forget those giant frogs that got transplanted there. When I lived in Van I read a news story about one that got a cat by the leg and was trying to drag it into the marsh.

NDPP

Next time round let's be more progressive and use MP skin instead. Thick too...hard to clean though.

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