Federal Election Talk, Monday, May 2, 2011 (3)

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thorin_bane

Boom Boom its the anti quebec- or anti french bigotry that is sadly alive and well in this country. It might even be connected to the american French bashing you constantly see. Or turn on HNiC on s saturday to watch Don Cherry to see "the average joe" has to think about quebec. I stopped watching the NHL this year because of canadian media coverage of the Chara Pachioretti incident. Disgusting applause of violence.

gyor

CBC still licking liberal boots, saying few people are attending ndp rallies with Jack Layton. First the voter compass which is about as useful as recieving an emma with butter knife and now they are down playing the energy at Jack's rallies. I watched Jack's first rally in Ottawa and there was great energy and plenty of people there, even the global corapondents acknowlged it. Someone has to clean house at the cbc and take it back for Canadians. When the most professional and ethical journalist at the CBC is an ex VJ from much music thier is a problem.

bekayne

gyor wrote:
CBC still licking liberal boots, saying few people are attending ndp rallies with Jack Layton.

I saw that, it was Rosemary Barton on CTV

WyldRage

thorin_bane wrote:

Boom Boom its the anti quebec- or anti french bigotry that is sadly alive and well in this country. It might even be connected to the american French bashing you constantly see. Or turn on HNiC on s saturday to watch Don Cherry to see "the average joe" has to think about quebec. I stopped watching the NHL this year because of canadian media coverage of the Chara Pachioretti incident. Disgusting applause of violence.

Watch it in French then. The commentators are more interesting and there was near unanimous condemnation of Chara.

... Now that I think about it, has that criminal investigation gone anywhere?

NorthReport

That ads probably done by the Liberals. Nothing would surprise me in this game. Someone should apply and see what happens.

Lens Solution wrote:

Conservative group advertising on Craig's List for writers who will post pro-Harper rhetoric around the Internet:

 

http://i.imgur.com/757PM.png

NorthReport

I think this might be a bit of a bombshell, unless it's a set-up. Let's hope it's the real McKoy.

 

Ex-adviser says Harper had coalition plan in 2004

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/03/28/ex-adviser-says-harper-had-coali...

ghoris

gyor wrote:
CBC still licking liberal boots, saying few people are attending ndp rallies with Jack Layton. First the voter compass which is about as useful as recieving an emma with butter knife and now they are down playing the energy at Jack's rallies. I watched Jack's first rally in Ottawa and there was great energy and plenty of people there, even the global corapondents acknowlged it. Someone has to clean house at the cbc and take it back for Canadians. When the most professional and ethical journalist at the CBC is an ex VJ from much music thier is a problem.

Agreed - I find the Liberal cheerleading on CBC is quite nauseating, and just as bad as the Conservative cheerleading on CTV and Global. (Note to bekayne: Rosemary Barton is on CBC - she's the correspondent assigned to follow the NDP leader's tour.) To be fair to CBC, they're not just picking on Jack, they're also downplaying the size of the attendance at Harper's rallies too. ;)

A Conservative friend of mine and I were talking about the election today and he admitted that Layton has looked the best by far in these first few days. Let's hope that party's numbers start to catch up to his personal numbers.

One piece of BC news - the Conservatives have nominated former 3-term NPA Vancouver councillor (and 2002 mayoral candidate) Jennifer Clarke to run against Hedy Fry in Vancouver Centre. Although she got her clock cleaned by Larry Campbell in 2002 (and was apparently not well loved by some folks within the NPA due to the shunting aside of Philip Owen), she is certainly a higher-profile candidate than the one who just resigned. I don't think Hedy Fry has too much to fear (yet) but it will make things more interesting. Unfortunately, if the NDP campaign does not start to take off soon, this will only help Fry.

Lens Solution

I'm surprised the National Post would publish something which basically exposes Harper as a liar.

Vansterdam Kid

Lens Solution wrote:

Conservative group advertising on Craig's List for writers who will post pro-Harper rhetoric around the Internet:

 

http://i.imgur.com/757PM.png

It's not a bad strategy though. The left should be smart and try to counter it.

As for Ignatieff saying no to a coalition, I agree with you. On the one hand it's annoying because it re-enforces the meme that coalitions are "illigtimate", which simply isn't true. But on the other hand as Kim Campbell said, elections are no time to talk about the issues and it simply isn't a winner of an idea outside of Quebec.

Vansterdam Kid

NorthReport wrote:

I think this might be a bit of a bombshell, unless it's a set-up. Let's hope it's the real McKoy.

 

Ex-adviser says Harper had coalition plan in 2004

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/03/28/ex-adviser-says-harper-had-coali...

Very interesting. Tom Flangan is a big name, at least amongst the chattering classes. This helps to further re-enforce the idea that Harper is full of shit.

Aristotleded24

Vansterdam Kid wrote:
As for Ignatieff saying no to a coalition, I agree with you. On the one hand it's annoying because it re-enforces the meme that coalitions are "illigtimate", which simply isn't true. But on the other hand as Kim Campbell said, elections are no time to talk about the issues and it simply isn't a winner of an idea outside of Quebec.

I wouldn't go that far. I think it's now to the point where you either are okay with a coalition or you aren't, and you're not going to change your mind.

Rob8305

OK feeling better about the campaign tonight becase

A) The coalition issue is put to bed for better or for worse and even put Harper on the defensive a little.

B) CTV reports that both Jack and Michael Ignatieff are funny and on fire.

C) Harper's income splitting idea has fallen flat.

D) Harper's between 35-38% in most polls. Good for 145 seats on the high end at most.

I have a feeling that Harper may go down in this campaign still but it won't be evident until very late, after the debates.

NorthReport

What in the world are we doing in Libya, except to soften up Canadians for the purchase of those, what is it now $30 billion, fighter jets, and their maintenance will be done outside of Canada. What is the NDP's position on Libya?  I would like to see them oppose our presense there.

bekayne

Vansterdam Kid wrote:

Tom Flangan is a big name, at least amongst the chattering classes.

He does like to chatter

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

What is the NDP's position on Libya?  I would like to see them oppose our presense there.

They support the government's position

no1important

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Are Canadians that STUPID?...Are Canadians that easy to screw?..Probably.

 

I guess the same diease that got Bush 're elected' has spread to Canada...I hear a lot of hate towards iggy but not Stevie out here, even after all the con shenanagins and if one does believe the polls, nothing sticks to Harper and i really am at a loss to what would stick....

no1important

Lens Solution wrote:

Conservative group advertising on Craig's List for writers who will post pro-Harper rhetoric around the Internet:

 

http://i.imgur.com/757PM.png

Do not forget this:
[url=http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100523/government-online...

Feds eyeing online forums to correct 'misinformation'

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bekayne

no1important wrote:

Lens Solution wrote:

Conservative group advertising on Craig's List for writers who will post pro-Harper rhetoric around the Internet:

 

http://i.imgur.com/757PM.png

Do not forget this:
[url=http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20100523/government-online...

Feds eyeing online forums to correct 'misinformation'

[/url]

Dear Leader is watching

KenS

I think the coalition meme is going to be another case of Harper Crew overeach that bites them bad.

It may have happened anyway, but the Flannagn entry is the last straw. What Flannagan said doesn't even need to be heard beyond the chattering classes to be the nail in the coffin.

Mind you, there is the possibility that if they drop it now the bad taste it leaves is worth it for changing the channel about ethics and integrity. You wouldn't think the two would be unrelated, and Harper looking the hypocrite to swing voters might resonate on the ethics and integrity issues.... but a big emphasis on that word 'might'. Political machinations are arcane and at best boting to most people... so the connection of the coalition meme hypocricy ciuld easily be lost on most people.

gyor

Vansterdam Kid wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I think this might be a bit of a bombshell, unless it's a set-up. Let's hope it's the real McKoy.

 

Ex-adviser says Harper had coalition plan in 2004

 

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/03/28/ex-adviser-says-harper-had-coali...

Very interesting. Tom Flangan is a big name, at least amongst the chattering classes. This helps to further re-enforce the idea that Harper is full of shit.

Sounds like Tom is pulling a Kinsella for attention. I'm so glad Brian Top isn't a backstabber like these guys.

Caissa

The Canadian Press has learned that a former Conservative staffer under RCMP investigation is working on the federal campaign in a key riding.

Sebastien Togneri demanded that government officials block the release of a document and censor it heavily in 2009 while he was a senior aide to a cabinet minister.

Public Works Minister Rona Ambrose called in the Mounties to determine if charges should be laid after an investigation by Canada's information commissioner found that Togneri clearly interfered with the request without legal authority to do so.

Now Togneri has turned up working for the campaign of Ryan Hastman in Edmonton-Strathcona, a riding the Tories are trying to win back from the NDP.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/story/2011/03/29/cv-togn...

Caissa

We have a cute little troll bear! Can we play with him/her?

Le T Le T's picture

Caissa, just because yiyu152's comments on the subject of the federal election are often those associated with trolls doesn't mean that s/he is one.

People on babble have to be more comfortable with hearing a variety of opinons on matters or we might get stuck in an echo chamber of similar ideologies.

Caissa

I assume that was an attempt at irony Le T.

KenS

gyor wrote:

Sounds like Tom Flannagan is pulling a Kinsella for attention. I'm so glad Brian Top isn't a backstabber like these guys.

Its difficult to interpret exactly what people are up to. But it isnt necessarily to be chalked up primarily to getting attention.

When Kinsella slags Iggy or the day to day communications decisions, there is probably a lot of that, and of sour grapes. But some criticisms he circulates only from his blog. And like I said, he isnt questioning any more the strategy of focusing on going after the NDP. Now that decision is final, he shuts up. [Aftet the election will be another story.]

Flannagan is harder to figure out. Something must have happened and unlike Kinsella, I think he sees himself permanently on the out. He's also an academic, and he likes being consulted, so there is something in it for to some degree simply saying what he thinks.

But in both their cases, and similar 'almost insiders' [or has been], there is an agenda for their party being expressed- whether or not directly so. In the case of the Liberals, not doing well tempers how much people are willing to zip it for the good of the party. This comes up so much less with the NDP because it's internal dynamic is vastly more consensual, at least it has been during Layton's leadership. [Somewhat less so under Alexa's.]

Flannagan doesnt come out and say it overtly, but if you watch the pattern of the things he diverges on, he thinks Harper has gone to far into the dark arts side of hardball politics. I think he probably wouldn't say anything if he just personally found it not to his liking. I suspect he's afraid of lasting damege to the brand. Flannagan is still eyes on getting a majority and displacing the Liberals as national governing party, gradually edging a coalition of Canadians to subscribe to the long term agenda. Harper Crew isnt into waiting for that, and thinks they can do it all with minorities if necessary.

[Which is why it is so misplaced those of you who willl do anything to make sure Harper is denied a majority. Don't have your eyes on the ball.]

NorthReport

Very good KenS.

KenS

Seems like ancient history now, but part of the Cons success in 2006 came from the contribution made by their high road policy wonk stuff. If I remember, they began that very long campaign with daily or almost daily policy planks.

Some of that was intended to counter the mad dog image they and Harper personally had. But that stuff that made its way into the Accountability Act was sincerely meant. Harper was a beleiver [it was the product if the Reform roots], but Flannagan was the mentor.

How far they have come. Governing as if you had a majority requires hard ball poking in the eye politics. Which in turn requires high centralization and tight message control on your own side. Not surprisingly, the stuff and the spirit of the Accountability Act got very much in the way. So screw it- we've got a job to do.

Flannagan is still looking at the high road for developing the consensual agreement of a majoritarian coalition. Same nasty goals, but a different idea of how to get there.

NorthReport

They have expanded now to 4 cities - Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Halifax. Sorry this is just to obvious and reeks of the Liberals dirty tricks.

 

 

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-27oenVw-zeo/TZGrIL6RimI/AAAAAAAAEbs/HOw5ERLRP3...

 

gadar

NorthReport wrote:

They have expanded now to 4 cities - Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Halifax. Sorry this is just to obvious and reeks of the Liberals dirty tricks.

 

 

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-27oenVw-zeo/TZGrIL6RimI/AAAAAAAAEbs/HOw5ERLRP3...

 

So if the Cons do something sleazy, it must be Liberal dirty tricks. Cons good Libs Bad got it.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

NorthReport wrote:

They have expanded now to 4 cities - Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Halifax. Sorry this is just to obvious and reeks of the Liberals dirty tricks.

 

 

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-27oenVw-zeo/TZGrIL6RimI/AAAAAAAAEbs/HOw5ERLRP3...

 

 

I have no reason to believe this is a Liberal dirty trick.

This is typical of the Cons.

Remember,this is the same party that would go public about the hours of footage they were going through to prepare attack ads.

This is on par with the CPC's book of dirty tricks which was written by their sister wing the U.S. Republicans.

I(n any case,I don't think the Liberals are smart enough to come up with anything like this.

NorthReport

Come on, it's way, way too obvious.

I'm surprised they omitted Quebec City! Laughing

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Sorry..I don't buy it.

NorthReport

Harper and the politics of smash, slash and smear

 

 

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Comment+Harper+politics+smash+slash+sme...

KenS

NorthReport wrote:

They have expanded now to 4 cities - Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Halifax. Sorry this is just to obvious and reeks of the Liberals dirty tricks.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-27oenVw-zeo/TZGrIL6RimI/AAAAAAAAEbs/HOw5ERLRP3s/s1600/Trolls.png

This doesnt come from the Cons. Wrong language.

Its just a not very clever attempt at mischief- or maybe just not very creative spoofing- by a free lancer.

NorthReport

Absolutely it does not come from the Cons. And blind hatred of Harper, where people lose their thinking abilities does not help win election campaigns for the NDP. If Harper hates the NDP thats his problem. The NDP just wants to do its best to win as many seats as thy can.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I can buy the 'free lance' theory.

But I do not buy it as a ruse cooked up by any of the opposition parties.

jas

One added benefit of all this is no longer hearing the words "Prime Minister Harper". He's now just "the Conservative leader". Smile

Sean in Ottawa

Obviously not Conservative-- they do not call themselves right wing-- they use words like Libertarian or even right of centre but not right wing. That is a dead give-away.

remind remind's picture

Caissa wrote:
The Canadian Press has learned that a former Conservative staffer under RCMP investigation is working on the federal campaign in a key riding.

Sebastien Togneri demanded that government officials block the release of a document and censor it heavily in 2009 while he was a senior aide to a cabinet minister...Now Togneri has turned up working for the campaign of Ryan Hastman in Edmonton-Strathcona, a riding the Tories are trying to win back from the NDP.

So much for Harper getting this seat back....4 days in and Harper is being forced to explain and not campaign.

NorthReport

You got it remind.

It may help the NDP pick up a couple more in the Edmonton area as well.

remind remind's picture

The Edmonton news today at noon was all over this, and the impression left was not a good one for Harper lala land.

Some reporter should ask Stephan Harper if the reason he is wanting to build more prisons is to put away all the Conservative law breakers they have in their ranks.

bekayne

Harper talking about coalitions-from 1997:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDTmpXj9vyM&feature=player_embedded

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Just heard on P&P that E. May will not be in the debates.

gadar

NorthReport wrote:

You got it remind.

It may help the NDP pick up a couple more in the Edmonton area as well.

I am hoping for that too esp. with the Liberals virtual absence in Alberta

Sean in Ottawa

Nice video

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

SEND THIS VIDEO TO JACK AND GILLES ASAP!

Sean in Ottawa

Send it to the folks making the ads-- this should be put in a tv ad.

Pay whatever it costs. Get the damn rights and get it out there.

edmundoconnor

The Togneri episode certainly puts a big ol' question mark next to Hastman's judgement. If that were my candidate, I wouldn't let him in the same riding, never mind into the same campaign office.

Is someone getting a telling off from CPC HQ for possibly ruining the chance to take back E-S?

Twitter @ryanhastman or @jaimanchin (Hastman keener/volunteer) and see if you can prod them into a response. So far, Hastman has not addressed Togneri in his Twitter feed.

Pogo Pogo's picture

I think they want to build prisons so it would be easier for them to identify their vote.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Boom Boom wrote:

Just heard on P&P that E. May will not be in the debates.

Evan Solomon got an email or tweet from E. May that she's "shocked".

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