I prefer the white poppy. How about you?

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epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..txs maysie. i posted it to facebook.

Maysie Maysie's picture

You're welcome, epaulo. Here's another.

 

Maysie Maysie's picture

Unionist

Christopher Eccleston reciting Wilfred Owen's amazing poem:

[url=https://youtu.be/qB4cdRgIcB8]Dulce et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori[/url]

Paladin1

Maysie wrote:

 

If those are for sale in Canada it's probably bordering on a trademark violation.

Unionist

Paladin1 wrote:

Maysie wrote:

 

If those are for sale in Canada it's probably bordering on a trademark violation.

You're right!!

But will those murderers who own the trademark on WAR™ ever stop waging it long enough to go to court? Too risky. There might be outstanding warrants against them for crimes against humanity. So I think we're ok with the trademark thing.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Christ, all we're doing on this day is remember young men went off to die then, and young men and women go off to die now. That's all. I agree that Civillian suffering is even worse result of war, but one way of the year to remember the sacrifice of others, whether they were duped to do so or not, is not too much to ask.

I get anti miltarism but I expect clearer thinking on this by the people who post on here. It isn't too much to ask.

I hope anyone who reads this post is someone who went to a remembrance event yesterday. Its the least you can do. One day a year, a few hours of your time, isn't too much to ask from you.

Slumberjack

Unionist wrote:

Christopher Eccleston reciting Wilfred Owen's amazing poem:

[url=https://youtu.be/qB4cdRgIcB8]Dulce et Decorum Est Pro Patria Mori[/url]

I suspect that part of the reason why that poem is not the one that gets recited is because the nature of what it describes might have public audiences casting jaundiced looks in the direction of the politicians present at the ceremonies, who may have played a part in sending new generations off to various wars, wars that defy explanation these days because hardly anyone keeps faith with the lies and contradictions anymore.

Slumberjack

Where exactly has the thinking not been clear?  Maybe if we could identify those instances, there's a better chance to get to the root of the problem.

Paladin1

Unionist wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

Maysie wrote:

 

If those are for sale in Canada it's probably bordering on a trademark violation.

You're right!!

But will those murderers who own the trademark on WAR™ ever stop waging it long enough to go to court? Too risky. There might be outstanding warrants against them for crimes against humanity. So I think we're ok with the trademark thing.

 

You can be okay with the trademark thing but if you're a business using it without permission the Legion will send you a letter threatening legal action and if you don't comply they will bring you to court for copyright infringement.

If they threatened the mother of a dead Canadian soldier who was baking poppy shapped cookies to sell to raise money for a chairty you're probably not safe Money mouth

Unionist

Oh!!

You meant the poppy!!!

I thought you meant, using the word "WAR™"!!!!

How stupid can I be.

Thanks for the clarification, pal.

I certainly will not be using the red poppy any time soon. Can't afford a lawsuit.

 

NDPP

On Justin Trudeau's Lack of Diversity

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/11/11/on-justin-trudeaus-lack-of-divers...

"But in one respect there was no diversity at all. Every single person wore a Remembrance Day poppy..."

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Every single person also wore shoes.  Married people also wore shoes.  Let's not lose sight of that.

quizzical

i went arthur and laid a wreath. my mom went too but didn't lay a wreath. she will next year on the 100th anniversary of Beaumont-Hamel.

 

Sean in Ottawa

Paladin1 wrote:

Unionist wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

Maysie wrote:

 

If those are for sale in Canada it's probably bordering on a trademark violation.

You're right!!

But will those murderers who own the trademark on WAR™ ever stop waging it long enough to go to court? Too risky. There might be outstanding warrants against them for crimes against humanity. So I think we're ok with the trademark thing.

 

You can be okay with the trademark thing but if you're a business using it without permission the Legion will send you a letter threatening legal action and if you don't comply they will bring you to court for copyright infringement.

If they threatened the mother of a dead Canadian soldier who was baking poppy shapped cookies to sell to raise money for a chairty you're probably not safe Money mouth

I think this would be considered a derivative work and issues of freedom or expression would be central to the case. This is not a copying of the poppy but a statement critical of the poppy campaign as it presently is. I see no violation.

Paladin1

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

I think this would be considered a derivative work and issues of freedom or expression would be central to the case. This is not a copying of the poppy but a statement critical of the poppy campaign as it presently is. I see no violation.

 

You may be right but if you're a small business that comes under the legions cross hairs you may still be spending thousands of dollars in lawyers fee's. Like a SLAPP lawsuit.

Caissa

An excellent book that examines how writers tried to make sense of the Great War experience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_War_and_Modern_Memory

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

I find it bizarre that anyone could own the trademark rights to a flower.

Had I only thought to trademark the rose years ago, I could be making a killing around Valentine's Day.

Paladin1

Mr. Magoo wrote:

I find it bizarre that anyone could own the trademark rights to a flower.

Had I only thought to trademark the rose years ago, I could be making a killing around Valentine's Day.

Yup.

 

Quote:

Why does the Legion have a trademark on the Poppy?

On June 30, 1948, The Royal Canadian Legion was given the responsibility to safeguard the Poppy as a sacred symbol of Remembrance by the People of Canada through an Act of Parliament in which the Legion was granted trademark copyright of the Poppy symbol in Canada. This responsibility was bestowed upon the Legion to ensure that the largest Veterans organization in the county would be able to act in preserving the Poppy as a sacred symbol of the sacrifice of our Veterans.

In doing so, the Legion accepted the obligation to ensure that it would never be used for commercial or personal gain and would never be desecrated through inappropriate use. It is for this reason – ensuring respectful and appropriate use of the Poppy symbol – that the Legion requires permission for the use of the trademark Poppy, or the Poppy image as it relates to Remembrance.

What does the trademark include?

To preserve and uphold the Poppy as the symbol of Remembrance of Canada’s Veterans, the Canadian Trademark for the Poppy includes both the Legion’s Poppy logo, as well as the Poppy symbol, as it relates to Remembrance. The trademark does not apply to the use of the actual Poppy flower, unless that usage is misrepresented as the Legion’s Poppy.

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