Ignatieff Liberals continue to perpetuate Harper's right-wing government through 2010

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Ignatieff Liberals continue to perpetuate Harper's right-wing government through 2010

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NorthReport

It's wearing a little thin to hear the Ignatieff Liberals, and their supporters complain about Harper's right-wing policies, when the Liberals will be voting to keep them in power for who knows how many more years!

Despite Ignatieff's bus tour, Liberals say no election on horizon

 

 

There was no talk from the Liberal leader, however, of wanting to test the team again soon in an election. Frown

"We're not talking about an election this fall," said Anne McLellan, former MP and a co-chair of the Liberals' election readiness committee. "If there's an election this fall, that will be Mr. Harper's doing, no one else's."

 

 

 

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Liberals+election+horizon/3457267/st...

thorin_bane

See the NDP article from the NB election. It states the prov libs are going to out corporate tax cut the tories. 8.5% to the tories 10 percent...does anyone see that the businesses pay less than what we do in taxes and this is on profits only. Meaning they get to bury so much they don't pay shit all.

What else would you expect from New Irvwick anyway. The irvings own most of the private half of course they would want more tax cuts. When there is no competition, they surely need it.

NorthReport

Why are the Liberals not calling for a non-confidence vote against the Conservatives when Parliament resumes? Either Ignatieff  supports Harper's right-wing policies, or he is terrified of facing Harper in an election. Which is it, or is it perhaps both?

Talk is cheap, it is action that counts.   

remind remind's picture

Especially given his phoney blusterings of yesterday, ass hat that Iggy is.

 

Had the Liberals voted down the Cons instead of supporting them a 100+ times, we would not even be facing a vote on the Gun Registry.

Life, the unive...

funny how the Liberal implementation of the Harper agenda has not spawned post after post and thread after thread.   A cynic might see a pattern.

remind remind's picture

Cynic?

One does not have to be a cynic to see the pattern.

Then we get all the equally phoney excuses as to why the Liberals and Conservatives should not be held accountable.

Sean in Ottawa

Or perhaps there is not post after post just because there is no news here. This is the same story. Most people here have commented on it at some time in the last 4 years. I am having difficulty imagining anything new that can be said on this. The Liberals are essentially the waste-of-space party. They represent a naked desire for power and very few concerns about how the Cons are running things either from the point of view of economic political philosophy or political and democratic accountability.

On the other hand it is the lack of answers that could also be the explanation. We are not supporters of the Liberal party and so we cannot even offer to withdraw our own (non-existent) support due to the party not having a backbone.

However, what is the point except for the newbies that come by here  to underline and say the same thing again?

I think the bigger concern may be that while the Liberals have gone on to a more right wing and yet not a more effective leader, the NDP still has not been able to break out in to higher support ranges. That it is obvious that the Liberals are irrelevant to the debates that need to happen in this country is not for some reason changing the fact that this party retains more support than the NDP. Perhaps it is frustration and the lack of answers that drives people away from this discussion. I don't think it is out of any love or support of Liberals or Ignatieff in this place at least.

 

remind remind's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
 I don't think it is out of any love or support of Liberals or Ignatieff in this place at least.

 

I do, it is the same people over and over again, just as it has been for over 6 years.

 

Status quoers, who are also scared of a future that does not have the phoney corrupt Liberals in it.

Sean in Ottawa

Perhaps there are some but I think it is poor logic to assume that all those who are not rushing out to say the same things over and over on this same non-news story are Liberal supporters.

Granted there are a some but this is not really a hotbed of Liberal support.

Lots fed up and disgusted with them certainly.

gadar

Yes the Liberals should have voted non confidence a long time ago and handed Harper his coveted majority which I believe some people on this board have wet dreams about. While it gives nightmares to some like me. But by having the Harper majority we would have been spared of this endless non sense. And anybody who thinks that liberals are not bashed enough on this board are either not paying attention or are being wilfully ignorant. Liberals are demonised more than the cons and Iggy more than Harper, most of it being well deserved. Some do it fairly based on policy while a few I believe just do it to create negative google hits about liberals while faking interest in the NDP and promoting the Con agenda.

remind remind's picture

Coveted majority? Um *cough* coalition *cough*.

Life, the unive...

Actually I predict that if the Liberals get their short term screwed up strategy wish on the gun registry we are almost certain to see a Conservative majority in the next election.  By using the rhetoric we are see from pro-registry people you can almost gaurentee that Liberal rural MPs (think vulnerable Wayne Easter) and rural candidates they must have win back those lost riding will be losing large voting blocks-  even if they don't vote Conservative and some will- they will likely just stay home.  So keep it up Liberals you are paving the way for a Conservative majority in fact, not just in practice.

thorin_bane

LOL if the libs wanted they could have been running the country right now. A few problems arise from that though. They knew the economy was still in the pisser and didn't want to wear it. That is why they will pull the plug when the second dip hits. They didn't want to share power, or make leftish legislation to start with. Period. Its like the canard about the NDP pullling down the martin government. There simply wasn't enough votes anyway.

Plus given credit to the NDP on anything would ruin the long running frame of how awful we would be given the chance to govern. Well lets take it out on a test drive and see what happens.

Debater

The federal Liberals are launching a national campaign to save the long-gun registry.  And they're aiming to co-opt NDP support to establish the Liberals as the only real alternative to the Harper Tories:

Liberals target gun registry

Life, the unive...

Good luck to all of you in the Liberal war room.  The Liberals are heading to a crash on this issue long term.  Sure they got a few days of good press from the usual suspects in the media, but over the long haul they are heading further away from government, and will most likely push the Harperites into majority territory.  Just watch.

remind remind's picture

Prediction, poll bounce for Cons next week. Dive for Liberals.

melovesproles

I totally disagree.  The Libs after a very very long time of going in the opposite direction look like they are getting smarter.  In our pie shaped FPTP system, polarizing people and pumping up the troops with the choir songs is smart politics.  Chretien knew that and knew the gun registry was a winner.  It's been their wishy washy, try to be all things to all people approach that has accompanied the Liberal's decline. 

This has been the best messaging I've seen from the Libs in a long time:

Quote:

Jet purchase ‘shreds’ Conservative
fiscal reputation, Ignatieff says

Jane Taber

BADDECK, N.S. – Stephen Harper’s reputation as a competent fiscal manager has been sullied by his billion-dollar spending spree on prisons and military jets, Michael Ignatieff charged Wednesday.

The Liberal Leader says the Prime Minister has his economic priorities all mixed up, doling out $16-billion for 65 stealth fighter jets and $9-billion to build new jails. “Is this what Canadians want from their government right now in the middle of a $54-billion deficit?”

That's spot on.  Here we are plunging ourselves back into unsurmountable deficits and look what we're spending that money we don't have on.  It's certainly not what I'd go into debt for, I want to see those people who are mortgaging my future for this bullshit held accountable.  I don't like him or trust him but Iggy is finally hitting the right notes...

If the Liberals can keep in tune, they might finally get back into power, it wouldn't take that much in our anti-democratic FPTP system to remove the robot with the bowl cut from the big chair.  I don't know many people who don't think he's a complete asshole.

MUN Prof. MUN Prof.'s picture

Life, the universe, everything wrote:

Good luck to all of you in the Liberal war room.  The Liberals are heading to a crash on this issue long term.  Sure they got a few days of good press from the usual suspects in the media, but over the long haul they are heading further away from government, and will most likely push the Harperites into majority territory.  Just watch.

 

The Ignatieff-Harper coalition already has a majority. Why would they want an election anytime soon?

Pogo Pogo's picture

I don't know why the NDP is not highlighting what I see as the biggest plus of this issue.  Of the three national parties, one has chosen to abandon urban voters, one has chosen to abandon rural voters and only one party is working to bridge the divide.  Yes if there is a vote the NDP is going to be the swwing votes that pass or fail the motion, but they are in that position because only the NDP is there representing both sides of a national debate.  Canadians want national parties to represent all Canadians not 50%+1.

NDPP

PM Finally on Brink of World Stage Coup

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/finally+brink+world+stage+coup/...

"A recent satirical movie called In the Loop featured one snooty Brit advisor summarizing Canada's role at the UN. 'You needn't worry about the Canadians. They're just happy to be here. They always look surprised they've been invited,' he said. Deserved or not, Mr Harper is a good bet to cap off a year of unprecedented  exposure on the international stage.."

For Harper - all the world's a stage...

Debater

remind wrote:

Prediction, poll bounce for Cons next week. Dive for Liberals.

I hope you'll admit you were mistaken. Wink

The Liberals have pulled even with the Cons in the new poll:

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/09/01/ekos-poll-voter-intention.html

Debater

melovesproles wrote:

I totally disagree.  The Libs after a very very long time of going in the opposite direction look like they are getting smarter.  In our pie shaped FPTP system, polarizing people and pumping up the troops with the choir songs is smart politics.  Chretien knew that and knew the gun registry was a winner.  It's been their wishy washy, try to be all things to all people approach that has accompanied the Liberal's decline. 

This has been the best messaging I've seen from the Libs in a long time

You may be right.  Voters seem to like the positions Ignatieff has taken recently since the Liberals are even with the Cons in the new poll.

Bookish Agrarian

Debater you know quite well that this story has not been around long enough to be reflected in that poll.  You are merely baiting and spinning -stop it.  Wait a few weeks and then we will see. 

Debater

I disagree.  The story has been around for the past couple of weeks or more and has been discussed quite extensively on t.v., in print and by the RCMP.

But I agree that obviously one cannot make any long-term conclusions at this point.

NorthReport

You must have to be a disaster just waiting to happen, if  you have a large chunk of the mainstream press doing your political bidding, day in and day out, spewing out all the nonsense, as if it were the gospel, and have many silly journalists say whatever you want them to say, and for them to just keeping repeating the BS ad nauseum, combined with an unpopular government, and still be under 30% in the polls. Who needs to buy ads when you have people like Barbra Yaffe in the Vancouver Sun, Lawrence Martin in the Globe and Mail, basically all of the CBC, and most of the Toronto Star, who must all have a direct link to all the daily Liberal talking points. Apart from a few interesting pundits like Paul Wells, there does not appear to be much of any original thought process going on. Too bad. No wonder so many Canadians are turned off politics. 
Libs don't want to 'provoke' fall election, despite boost in polls Laughing

'Libs can't win, if you go through riding by riding': one veteran Liberal insider.

but one veteran Grit said the party is still not yet ready and that despite the bravado and positive media reports, MPs would have to fight to hang on to their current 77 seats, at this particular juncture.

The Liberal insider, who did not want to be identified, told The Hill Times that whatever benefits accrued as a result of what Liberals are calling a successful summer tour, will only be cemented if he performs better in the House.

 They can't win. If you go province-by-province and riding-by-riding, what does it give you? I know the spin will be that the cross-country tour elevated Iggy, and the long-gun and census stuff pulled Harper down, so now we're tied. But when the crunch comes and people are going to vote, I don't think-whether they had to fill in a long-form census or not-I don't think it's going to be a serious factor," said the source.

http://www.thehilltimes.ca/page/view/fallelection-09-06-2010

Debater

Seems like the Cons are really fighting back against their declining polling fortunes.  Over the past week there have been a slew of columns lashing out at the Liberal increase.

But how come you are posting so many pro-Conservative pieces, NR?