Irregular border crossing asylum seekers from US not illegal says Vancouver MP Jenny Kwan

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Irregular border crossing asylum seekers from US not illegal says Vancouver MP Jenny Kwan
cco

An interesting question, if a mostly semantic one. I think Kwan's being a little slippery when she blurs the distinction between "not in the Criminal Code" and "following Canadian law", though, in much the same way that lots of traffic offenses aren't in the Criminal Code, but you're still breaking the law if you commit them. Or is this sign at the border just flat-out wrong? What other Canadian laws do you get taken into custody (her own words) for following?

N.B.: Nothing in this post should be construed as advocacy for accepting fewer refugees, treating existing ones worse, or building a fence and making Mexico pay for it.

Unionist

You're right, cco, and Kwan is wrong. Ironically, the very section of the IRPA which she cites shows she is wrong:

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133 A person who has claimed refugee protection, and who came to Canada directly or indirectly from the country in respect of which the claim is made, may not be charged with an offence under section 122, paragraph 124(1)(a) or section 127 of this Act or under section 57, paragraph 340(c) or section 354, 366, 368, 374 or 403 of the Criminal Code, in relation to the coming into Canada of the person, pending disposition of their claim for refugee protection or if refugee protection is conferred.

In other words, you might commit a host of unlawful acts while crossing the border. But there's a temporary "amnesty" on being charged while your refugee application is being processed, and a full amnesty if it's granted. But if for whatever reason your refugee claim is denied, nothing prevents you from being charged afterwards.

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cco wrote:
An interesting question, if a mostly semantic one. I think Kwan's being a little slippery when she blurs the distinction between "not in the Criminal Code" and "following Canadian law", though, in much the same way that lots of traffic offenses aren't in the Criminal Code, but you're still breaking the law if you commit them. Or is this sign at the border just flat-out wrong? What other Canadian laws do you get taken into custody (her own words) for following?

 

N.B.: Nothing in this post should be construed as advocacy for accepting fewer refugees, treating existing ones worse, or building a fence and making Mexico pay for it.

Unfortunately, cco, no matter how many disclaimers and surrounding explanations you put around something, people here will ONLY see that thing and ignore everything else you have written, and condemn you for writing it. For example, if you say "I hate A", that will give them the right to call you A because you wrote A. Such are the way that these minds operate. They are completely intolerant, and only see what they want to see.

Unionist

progressive17 wrote:

cco wrote:
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N.B.: Nothing in this post should be construed as advocacy for accepting fewer refugees, treating existing ones worse, or building a fence and making Mexico pay for it.

Unfortunately, cco, no matter how many disclaimers and surrounding explanations you put around something, people here will ONLY see that thing and ignore everything else you have written, and condemn you for writing it. For example, if you say "I hate A", that will give them the right to call you A because you wrote A. Such are the way that these minds operate. They are completely intolerant, and only see what they want to see.

Well progressive17, there was only one comment on cco's post before yours - and that comment fully agreed with cco. So don't be such a pessimistic cynic! :)

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Ottawa must do more to help Toronto welcome refugees

Toronto can’t foot the whole bill for what amounts to a national — even global — crisis over migrants.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2018/04/26/ottawa-must-do-mor...

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Rather than solely cutting a cheque to Toronto to cover room and board, Ottawa could also offer incentives to refugees willing to live somewhere other than Toronto.  Sure, the 6ix is awesome, but what if your hearing could be fast tracked, or financial assistance extended, if you were to be willing to live in one of the other thousands of Canadian communities?  We do the same with, say, new doctors, don't we?  Agree to practice in a smaller community and get some perks in exchange?

NorthReport

Canada is not doing its part to ease the global refugee crisis

“Canadian policy on migrants, especially refugees, has not responded to this moment in time,” writes Vicky Mochama. “Canada has coasted globally on an acceptance of immigrants that is nowhere near the scale of other nations.”

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/04/25/canada-is-not...

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“Canada has coasted globally on an acceptance of immigrants that is nowhere near the scale of other nations.”

Does the scale of those other nations have more to do with geography?