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Mighty Middle
Jagmeet Singh and Andrew Scheer now working together

First up they have signed a joint letter - from Andrew Scheer twitter

Trudeau owes Canadians nothing less than full transparency in the SNC-Lavalin affair. Given severity and credibility of the allegations from the former Attorney General, Jagmeet Singh and I call on him to recall the House next week so MPs can hold him to account. Our letter:

https://twitter.com/AndrewScheer/status/1101547327603519488

The letter came from Andrew Scheer twitter - a full two hours later the same letter tweeted by Jagmeet Singh. No signature on the letter from either from Elizabeth May or Bloc.

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Aristotleded24

How horrible for the Oppositon leaders to come together and to demand accountability for the misdeeds of the governing party. It would be so much better if Singh left the SNC-Lavalin affair alone and bought the Liberal line on this issue.

Mighty Middle

Aristotleded24 wrote:

How horrible for the Oppositon leaders to come together and to demand accountability for the misdeeds of the governing party. It would be so much better if Singh left the SNC-Lavalin affair alone and bought the Liberal line on this issue.

Reading social media reaction, getting in bed with the Conservatives has been 100% negative

cco

It's worse than that. Not only are they working together, I've heard a rumour they both share the same nefarious goal of ending Justin Trudeau's term in office. Clearly no progressive can trust Singh. If he's on the left, why isn't he defending Trudeau against the SNC-Lavalin allegations? The man's obviously a Tory

Mighty Middle

One person tweeted to Jagmeet Singh about aliging with Andrew Scheer

Why would you sign a joint letter with a guy who spoke at the same rally with Faith Goldy?

https://twitter.com/palominorasta/status/1101577701410799616

quizzical

point no point 

Mighty Middle

quizzical wrote:

point no point 

An NDP supporter tweeted to Jagmeet

Get in the House of Commons and call for it. stop being like Justin Trudeau having other people speaking for you. They will start calling you a wimp.

https://twitter.com/CanNeoCons/status/1101582983226634240

cco

Why would you link to Twitter, a website that hosts Faith Goldy?

WWWTT

This is why Chantel is a shit biased journalist

2. The SNC-Lavalin file commanded an impressive amount of high-level political attention. But would an NDP or Conservative government have been any less responsive to the firm’s lobbying?

She only writes this kind of garbage in the hope that readers may believe the NDP are just as guilty and or prone to corruption as the liberals. And then more shit

With 9,000 Canadian jobs potentially on the line, any responsible federal government would have taken the time to carefully weigh the option of mitigating the possible damage to the firm’s future following a criminal conviction.

Oh Chantal, not your poor deer deer  sacred corporate masters. Responsible government must consider and weigh the consequences of criminal activity conducted by them.

And more

4. What about the NDP and Green Party Leader Elizabeth May’s call for a public inquiry? A strong case has yet to be made that it would accomplish a lot more than the current work of the justice committee.

Actually Chantal, a strong case was already made, but you had your hands over your ears and were mumbling " I can't hear you, I can't hear you"

There's also more, but I made my point!

What's really makes Chantal just another icm servant trash journalist is the important stuff MISSING in her articles. Such as ceo and upper management salarie/bonuses at SNC-Lavelin. Political contributions that are possibly illegal and morally corrupt akin to bribery. The foreign reputation of Canada and Canadian corporations are at stake when shit like this happens. And even worse, there's an attempt to sweep it under the rug!

Mighty Middle

cco wrote:
Why would you link to Twitter, a website that hosts Faith Goldy?

Why would rabble.ca link to twitter, a website that hosts Faith Goldy?

https://twitter.com/rabbleca

 

WWWTT

Jagmeet Singh & Andrew Scheer Now Working Together

A faux progressive/liberal wet dream come true!

cco

Mighty Middle wrote:

cco wrote:
Why would you link to Twitter, a website that hosts Faith Goldy?

Why would rabble.ca link to twitter, a website that hosts Faith Goldy?

Well, you continue to post here, so clearly two degrees of separation from Goldy is only a dealbreaker for you when it's Jagmeet Singh agreeing with Andrew Scheer that Justin Trudeau should recall the House.

Mighty Middle

cco wrote:
Mighty Middle wrote:

cco wrote:
Why would you link to Twitter, a website that hosts Faith Goldy?

Why would rabble.ca link to twitter, a website that hosts Faith Goldy?

Well, you continue to post here, so clearly two degrees of separation from Goldy is only a dealbreaker for you when it's Jagmeet Singh agreeing with Andrew Scheer that Justin Trudeau should recall the House.

I'm not saying it is a deal-breaker - I'm just telling you what one person tweeted, which represents a few other people on social media who have the same opinion. As why is he aligning with a person who pals around with Faith Goldy.

bekayne

So did Scheer and Singh tell their MPs not to leave town? (There were only about 50 MPs at Question Period today).

cco

Mighty Middle wrote:

I'm not saying it is a deal-breaker - I'm just telling you what one person tweeted, which represents a few other people on social media who have the same opinion. As why is he aligning with a person who pals around with Faith Goldy.

"Aligning" on the position that Trudeau should recall the house and waive privilege and cabinet confidentiality so that committees can continue to investigate the scandal. For more information on the fallacy those people on social media (surely legitimate and apolitical types who see no difference between Singh and Scheer, not Liberal supporters) are engaged in, see here.

Mighty Middle

cco wrote:
Mighty Middle wrote:

I'm not saying it is a deal-breaker - I'm just telling you what one person tweeted, which represents a few other people on social media who have the same opinion. As why is he aligning with a person who pals around with Faith Goldy.

"Aligning" on the position that Trudeau should recall the house and waive privilege and cabinet confidentiality so that committees can continue to investigate the scandal. For more information on the fallacy those people on social media (surely legitimate and apolitical types who see no difference between Singh and Scheer, not Liberal supporters) are engaged in, see here.

Jagmeet Singh should have only signed the letter if all the party leaders signed the letter (Green & Bloc) - that way he has cover. But with Jagmeet just signing it, the impression that sticks out is that Singh is Scheer junior partner in this.

If people think this is a smart move teaming up with a party that has roots with Rebel Media and Yellow Vesters, then more power to you.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

The NDP has not teamed up with the Cons.  It's simply about opposition political parties raising an issue of public integrity.  The NDP has not joined the Right, and it's still arrogant to imply that the Liberal Party is entitled to universal progressive support.  

NorthReport

Mighty middle formerly terry towel is at it again better to just ignore his nonsense

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Wow.  They both agree on something self-evident.

Can a formal merger of their two parties be far behind??

NDPP

I think virtually the entirety of the political spectrum is repulsed by the revelations. Or should be. Anyone who listens to Wilson-Raybould's testimony cannot fail to be shocked at the crude and appalling pressure plays used, their implications and the stark realization the things she said happened.

As a supposedly democratic public this is sufficiently sinister to necessitate an immediate political surgery to remove a dangerous cancer before it infects the body politic further. There may be no real justice in our system but there is a system of rules not to be broken. Despite all efforts by the Trudeau/Freeland team to lead us that way, this is not yet America where 'if the President does it it's legal'. The PM is a public servant who serves or should serve at our pleasure. He has trashed a 'Rule of Law' he swore to uphold. That's broken and Humpty Dumpty had a great fall. This cannot stand.  Trudeau must go and all who think so must say so loudly, mean it and make it so.

PS I posted in another thread the opinion of an eminently qualified lawyer who stated a charge of obstruction of justice could be laid and prosecuted with every likelihood of success. Unfortunately as I understand it, you require the permission of the AG Canada to lay it. If so it can't be right and must be changed for reasons that should be obvious to all. 

quizzical

NDPP where is the link to the lawyer's opinion?

DSloth

I'm not convinced Scheer isn't working with Trudeau on this, calling for his resignation was very counter productive. 

voice of the damned

I have nothing much against the NDP and Conservatives issuing a joint statement, any more than I would have against the NDP and some right-wing party joining forces in a coalition government(in order to block a worse alternative). But one question...

Why DID they make it a joint statement? Why not just each party issue their own statement?

Pondering

voice of the damned wrote:

I have nothing much against the NDP and Conservatives issuing a joint statement, any more than I would have against the NDP and some right-wing party joining forces in a coalition government(in order to block a worse alternative). But one question...

Why DID they make it a joint statement? Why not just each party issue their own statement?

Exactly. He should have written his own letter. Teaming up with the Conservatives for no reason is bad optics.  Had the other parties also signed that would have been different. The message is nobody would have paid attention to the NDP had they not tagged along with the Conservatives. Like they are trying to associate with the Conservatives to underline that they are one of the main parties. 

Mighty Middle

NorthReport wrote:

Mighty middle formerly terry towel is at it again better to just ignore his nonsense

Pondering says it best

pondering wrote:

Exactly. He should have written his own letter. Teaming up with the Conservatives for no reason is bad optics.  Had the other parties also signed that would have been different. The message is nobody would have paid attention to the NDP had they not tagged along with the Conservatives. Like they are trying to associate with the Conservatives to underline that they are one of the main parties. 

At the end of the day this just helps the Liberals - so North Report if you can't see that, then keep defending this gift that has been served on a silver platter to the Liberals. All wrapped up in a nice bow

If you don't believe me, read the comments on Jagmeet twitter feed - Universally negative. NOT for wanting to hold Trudeau accountable for SNC, but rather that he would team up with Andrew Scheer on this

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1101575568317771776

Pondering

Actually I'll correct myself. The NDP didn't team up with the Conservatives. The Conservatives wrote a letter and the NDP supported the Conservatives. 

Mighty Middle

Pondering wrote:

Actually I'll correct myself. The NDP didn't team up with the Conservatives. The Conservatives wrote a letter and the NDP supported the Conservatives. 

It was written by BOTH of them, they co-wrote the letter TOGETHER.

 

cco

It's a good thing we have the Liberals to stand up against this dark NDP-Conservative axis demanding such horrors as accountability on SNC-Lavalin, isn't it? Certainly the Liberal Party is innocent of collusion with the Tories. They'd never do something as dastardly as writing a joint letter, let alone voting to prop up a Conservative minority government.

Unionist

quizzical wrote:

NDPP where is the link to the lawyer's opinion?

I think NDPP's post related to this article (or a similar one) where several lawyers weigh in on the possibility of Criminal Code charges. JWR said that nothing that was done to her was illegal - but that's just her opinion.

Mighty Middle

cco wrote:
Certainly the Liberal Party is innocent of collusion with the Tories. They'd never do something as dastardly as writing a joint letter, let alone voting to prop up a Conservative minority government.

As North Report wrote in 2009 "Jack Layton: Why I´m voting with Stephen Harper"

But of course that was all for the greater good to (as you write) "prop up a Conservative minority government."

http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/jack-layton-why-i%C2%B4m-votin...

NDPP

quizzical wrote:

NDPP where is the link to the lawyer's opinion?

NDPP wrote:

"Criminal defense lawyer Joseph Neuberger said an obstruction of justice charge wouldn't be hard to prove in court..."

http://rabble.ca/comment/5546141#comment-5546141

Mighty Middle

NDPP wrote:

quizzical wrote:

NDPP where is the link to the lawyer's opinion?

NDPP wrote:

"Criminal defense lawyer Joseph Neuberger said an obstruction of justice charge wouldn't be hard to prove in court..."

http://rabble.ca/comment/5546141#comment-5546141

It would be better to get a legal opinion from someone who wasn't a past Conservative Party Donor like Joseph Neuberger

Pondering

Unionist wrote:

quizzical wrote:

NDPP where is the link to the lawyer's opinion?

I think NDPP's post related to this article (or a similar one) where several lawyers weigh in on the possibility of Criminal Code charges. JWR said that nothing that was done to her was illegal - but that's just her opinion.

The Liberals/Trudeau being guilty has nothing to do with the NDP supporting the Conservatives.  It's actually possible to condemn BOTH.

It seems the NDP agrees that the Conservatives would never do such a thing if they were in power. This is a Liberal problem. We can safely vote Conservatives in the next election because they would never be corrupted by corporate  interests. 

The NDP should be saying the Conservatives would do the same thing in power pointing out how the Conservatives put corporate interests ahead of the people too. They should be drawing a map showing how corporations have impacted government decisions to the detriment of the people.

Don't just promote Pharmcare. Ask why we don't have it already. Same with dental coverage. It's cheaper than paying individually. Ask why we have some of the highest data rates in the world. Ask who the government is working for. 

NDPP

I attach no significance one way or the other to a multi-party condemnation of Liberal actions for a serious, arguably criminal obstruction and interference on behalf of a corporate concern known to be close to the prime minster. The actions were reprehensible and deserve the opprobrium of all. Trudeau has soiled himself and the integrity of his office and cannot remain.

Pondering

NDPP wrote:

I attach no significance one way or the other to a multi-party condemnation of Liberal actions for a serious, arguably criminal obstruction and interference on behalf of a corporate concern known to be close to the prime minster. The actions were reprehensible and deserve the opprobrium of all. Trudeau has soiled himself and the integrity of his office and cannot remain.

But it isn't multi-party. Only Conservative/ndp.  Neither the Greens nor the Bloc were included. The NDP should have issued an independent letter. 

Results indicate that NDP supporters were unhappy with the move. It legitimizes Scheer. Might as well issue a joint statement with Doug Ford. 

NDPP

I agree they should first have issued their own statement.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

So what if it was only the two parties with standing in the Hof C that issued a joint statement. The Bloc and Greens are not actually recognized as parties by our system of government. But apparently it really doesn't matter what the rules are we can all just make them up as we see fit.

wage zombie

What about Max Bernier and the PPC?

Pondering

kropotkin1951 wrote:

So what if it was only the two parties with standing in the Hof C that issued a joint statement. The Bloc and Greens are not actually recognized as parties by our system of government. But apparently it really doesn't matter what the rules are we can all just make them up as we see fit.

There are no rules stating parties without official status can't sign joint letters. The NDP should have used its own voice rather than signing a me too letter. The Conservatives and NDP do not have the same standing in the house. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Boy we must be in an election year again. You are back to criticizing the NDP for anything and everything. With supporters like you they really are sunk.

NDPP

The priority should be a unified demand for Trudeau's resignation. Not the usual tail-chasing deviations and dithering over irrelevancies. 

Pondering

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Boy we must be in an election year again. You are back to criticizing the NDP for anything and everything. With supporters like you they really are sunk.

I want them to win elections. Helping out the Conservatives as a junior partner is not condusive to that. How can the NDP point out how similar the Conservatives and Liberals are when they team up with the Conservatives like this? 

I have long condemned the speculation over Singh's leadership and the necessity of him stepping down if he didn't win the by-election. Turns out it was very unlikely that he would lose. I remember the suggestions that he should jump to another riding in Ontario. 

I hate the attitude that if you support a party you can't point out their shortcomings or mistakes. In fact you criticize the NDP all the time. 

From the perspective of optics and getting elected I don't think this was a good move. It legitimizes the Conservatives. Optics matters more than ever before. 

My bet is the request came from the Conservatives. 

Aristotleded24

Pondering wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

So what if it was only the two parties with standing in the Hof C that issued a joint statement. The Bloc and Greens are not actually recognized as parties by our system of government. But apparently it really doesn't matter what the rules are we can all just make them up as we see fit.

There are no rules stating parties without official status can't sign joint letters. The NDP should have used its own voice rather than signing a me too letter. The Conservatives and NDP do not have the same standing in the house.

And if the NDP had, the NDP would still be criticized for even remotely agreeing with the Conservatives on anything. I remember then the NDP alerted the RCMP to possible insider trading during the 2005-2006 election, and it was apparently the NDP's fault then for asking for possible wrondoing by the Liberals to be investigated. No, in the Liberal worldview, the Liberals are entitled to votes just because they are the best party, and criticizing them in this way only helps the evil Conservatives. The Conservatives are evil, therefore ever agreeing with them on anything is wrong and should never happen.

Makes me sick. I've been a member of the NDP off and on since 2004, but if we had ranked choice voting, and the NDP was not in contention, and I had to choose between the Liberals and Conservatives, I would choose the Conservatives. At least they have the guts to defend and articulate principles with which I disagree, no matter how much abuse is thrown their way.

Mighty Middle

kropotkin1951 wrote:

So what if it was only the two parties with standing in the Hof C that issued a joint statement. The Bloc and Greens are not actually recognized as parties by our system of government. But apparently it really doesn't matter what the rules are we can all just make them up as we see fit.

In the past the NDP, Conservatives, Bloc and Green parties have signed joint letters ranging from Electoral reform to the Burnaby-South By-Elections. So it is not uncommon to seek out the Greens and the Bloc to show a united front. That didn't happen in this case.

NDPP wrote:

The priority should be a unified demand for Trudeau's resignation. Not the usual tail-chasing deviations and dithering over irrelevancies. 

Jagmeet Singh and the NDP don't seem to be going in that direction. Which puts him offside with Andrew Scheer who is sending out dozens of memes on social media demanding Justin Trudeau resign. Jagmeet Singh stance on a resignation is only silence.

WWWTT

After some consideration, I believe this was a brilliant move on Jag's part. I can see why the liberals are super pissed off. By coming to some kind of agreement with Scheer, he's effectively displayed that he's communicating and working with his fellow parliamentarians, engaging, comprimising and moving forward.

But really, just watching the faux progressives get all worked up is worth the entertainment!

NDPP

You'll not have to convince me of the continuing pathetic and puny impotence of the NDP. Just imagine all the possibilities of a strong, prepared progressive movement at such a time. Instead we have this mess and muddle.

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

After some consideration, I believe this was a brilliant move on Jag's part. I can see why the liberals are super pissed off. By coming to some kind of agreement with Scheer, he's effectively displayed that he's communicating and working with his fellow parliamentarians, engaging, comprimising and moving forward.

But really, just watching the faux progressives get all worked up is worth the entertainment!

WWWTT, read the comments on Jagmeet Singh twitter account - it is universally negative from his own supporters that he is aliging with Andrew Scheer. But if you think it is a "brilliant move" more power to you! So enjoy it.

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1101575568317771776

Pogo Pogo's picture

A) It is an important issue.

B) The parties both agree on this issue 

C) It puts heat on the Liberals

D) It marginalizes the mini-parties

What was the problem again?

 

Mighty Middle

Pogo wrote:

What was the problem again?

read the comments from NDP supporters at link below and you get tuned in

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1101575568317771776

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Pondering wrote:

 

I want them to win elections.

But you can't be bothered working for the party in a significant by-election. Your a poser with a keyboard. If you actually cared about any political party you would do something to help them get elected.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..everyone understands that the ndp is inadequate to deal with the multiple crisis issues we face today. i doubt karl marx or rosa luxemburg could break through their centerist positions. they would be tossed out of the party eventually. but the ndp are better for us in power than the libs and cons. i say again this is understood by all on this board. so instead of beating a dead horse why not put that energy to good use. like taking on the issues via grassroots organizing? this is the best chance of forcing the ndp to take a more radical perspective. and if that doesn't happen that organizing won't go to waste..ever. it will confront those who need to be confronted in the here and now. no one needs to wait for the ndp to lead.

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