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Jagmeet Singh heads to Parliament

With a resounding personal victory in Burnaby South tonite NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh now heads to Parliament where Canadians will finally be able to see him in action

Congrats to Campaign Manager Amber Keane and the entire NDP team in Burnaby South

Mighty Middle

Not only that but as the leader of a recognized party in the House of Commons, he gets a salary that is equal to a cabinet minister, and a personal car service. Those are the only perks he gets as leader of the third party in the House

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Singh heads off to Parliament with a resounding victory of over 2,200 votes over his closest rival. Not too shabby for someone Trudeau said didn’t have a prayer of winning in Burnaby South!

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Looks like Singh increased the NDP’s margin of victory in Burnaby South over their next nearest rival by 3 or 4 per cent

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

Singh heads off to Parliament with a resounding victory of over 2,200 votes over his closest rival. Not too shabby for someone Trudeau said didn’t have a prayer of winning in Burnaby South!

Show me that quote.

no1important

61% still did not support Jagmeet of those that showed up and Burnaby at all three levels is pretty solid NDP so as a federal leader of a main party he really did not do all that well.

 

However this is actually great news for federal Liberals overall and not the NDP as now Trudeau is all but guaranteed victory as Jagmeet will keep dragging NDP federally down to Alexa and Audrey levels of support..

NorthReport

How did that star power work out for Trudeau in Burnaby South?

Canadians are now getting used to more BS every time Trudeau opens his mouth it seems 

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/02/11/trudeau-jagmeet-singh-burnaby-south_a_23666784/

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Hopefully the Toronto Star and the CBC keep up their negativity on Singh. Voters though know BS when they hear it, and will now however be able to see for themselves, and the underdog may well surprise everyone on election nite.

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Unionist

bekayne wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Singh heads off to Parliament with a resounding victory of over 2,200 votes over his closest rival. Not too shabby for someone Trudeau said didn’t have a prayer of winning in Burnaby South!

Show me that quote.

Aw c'mon, bekayne. That quote must be in one of the articles linked by NorthReport. I haven't got time now, but just skim through all those articles and you're sure to find it. 

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robbie_dee

Jagmeet staked his leadership on winning this byelection, and succeeded. He deserves credit for this. It would appear his position is now safe through the fall election. He'd best roll up his sleeves now and get working towards that, because there are many challenges that still lie ahead. Salvaging something out of Quebec will be a big one.

Badriya

bekayne wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Singh heads off to Parliament with a resounding victory of over 2,200 votes over his closest rival. Not too shabby for someone Trudeau said didn’t have a prayer of winning in Burnaby South!

Show me that quote.

According to my calculations Singh actually surpassed the Liberal candidate by 2,954 votes. (He got 8884 and the Liberal got 5930.) Remember Kennedy Stewart only won by 500 votes in the last general election, where the turnout was much higher.

Here are the Election Canada results.

http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?ed=1676&lang=e

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..i lived in south bby for a few years. i'm glad singh won. we'll get to see now what he is capable of.  

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Badriya wrote:
bekayne wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Singh heads off to Parliament with a resounding victory of over 2,200 votes over his closest rival. Not too shabby for someone Trudeau said didn’t have a prayer of winning in Burnaby South!

Show me that quote.

According to my calculations Singh actually surpassed the Liberal candidate by 2,954 votes. (He got 8884 and the Liberal got 5930.) Remember Kennedy Stewart only won by 500 votes in the last general election, where the turnout was much higher. Here are the Election Canada results.
">http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?ed=1676&lang=e

I think bekayne was inquiring about the source of Trudeau's alleged statement that Singh didn't have a prayer of winning the by-election.

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Trudeau Predicts Jagmeet Singh Will Lose Crucial Burnaby South By-Election 

Trudeau will lend his starpower to Liberal candidate Richard Lee

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/02/11/trudeau-jagmeet-singh-burnaby-south_a_23666784/

bekayne

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Trudeau Predicts Jagmeet Singh Will Lose Crucial Burnaby South By-Election 

Trudeau will lend his star power to Lee

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/02/11/trudeau-jagmeet-singh-burnaby-south_a_23666784/

He never said he "didn't have a prayer", he said he'd win, that's what all parties do. Did the NDP say they were going to lose Outremont?

Mighty Middle

According to Robert Fisher (retired journalist) Jagmeet Singh refused an invitation to go on CBC The Current ... at a time when he's struggling for a public profile.

Guess he was too tired to get up at 5AM  to do the interview

https://twitter.com/politicsfisher/status/1100414425788366858

Mobo2000

Very glad and not surprised Singh won.   Onward and upward.  

JKR

bekayne wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

 

 

Trudeau Predicts Jagmeet Singh Will Lose Crucial Burnaby South By-Election 

Trudeau will lend his star power to Lee

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/02/11/trudeau-jagmeet-singh-burnaby-south_a_23666784/

He never said he "didn't have a prayer", he said he'd win, that's what all parties do. Did the NDP say they were going to lose Outremont?

How’s NR supposed to provide us with dynamic  trash talk without stretchin facts beyond recognition??

NorthReport

Obviously a tough nite for the Singh haters, eh!

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Jagmeet Singh’s next hurdle Define his party in era of extremes

https://thetyee.ca/News/2019/02/26/Singh-Next-Hurdle/

quizzical

Mighty Middle wrote:

According to Robert Fisher (retired journalist) Jagmeet Singh refused an invitation to go on CBC The Current ... at a time when he's struggling for a public profile.

Guess he was too tired to get up at 5AM  to do the interview

https://twitter.com/politicsfisher/status/1100414425788366858

someone needs to go on Twitter and tell dude he tried to book him too late and puss off. no end to smears.

watched Singh on Global early early this morning do an interview and then he was catching a plane to Ottawa.

his interview was good. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

What I find interesting is the fact that Singh as a national leader obviously affected the vote in Burnaby South. In Outremont the voter turmout was 21.4% and in York-Simcoe it was 19.9%  In Burnaby South the turnout was low but at 29.9% it was a 50% bump over the other by-elections. Clearly the voters in Burnaby were more engaged in these by-elections.

Mighty Middle

Jenny Kwan took a shot last night at Tom Mulcair when she was asked about Tom Mulcair's comment there are NDP MPs questioning Singh's leadership if he loses. Saying

"The NDP caucus is 100% behind Jagmeet. I've got news for Tom: Jagmeet is going to win."

https://twitter.com/davidpball/status/1100241178459422721

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Obviously a tough nite for the Singh haters, eh!

As Taylor Swift said,

Quote:

“'Cause the players gonna play, play, play, play, play
And the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off.”

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Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Mighty Middle wrote:

Not only that but as the leader of a recognized party in the House of Commons, he gets a salary that is equal to a cabinet minister, and a personal car service. Those are the only perks he gets as leader of the third party in the House

Jesus...you're THAT bitter that a right-wing party didn't take this seat? Would anybody but the billionaires benefit if the NDP died out and the only choice was Con v. Lib again?  Did not realize you were nostalgic for the Wilfrid Laurier era.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Mighty Middle wrote:

According to Robert Fisher (retired journalist) Jagmeet Singh refused an invitation to go on CBC The Current ... at a time when he's struggling for a public profile.

Guess he was too tired to get up at 5AM  to do the interview

https://twitter.com/politicsfisher/status/1100414425788366858

Uh...why the nastiness about this?  It's not a tragedy that Singh won, and his showing in Burnaby seems to prove that what he's doing is actually GIVING him a strong public profile.

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Geoff

I hope the party braintrust doesn't saddle Singh with a centrist election platform. We need a bold programme to demonstrate to voters that we are not 'Liberal-light'. Given that the Liberals and the Conservatives are much closer in the polls, the NDP has a reasonable shot at holding the balance of power, which would give the party an opportunity to advance its priority issues.

wage zombie

The party braintrust tried to railroad him, and presumably he knows full well who was working against him.

I heard Brian Topp wrote something after the byelection win that wasn't exactly complimentary, but I haven't seen it.

He has stated many times that we need to own the issues of environment and inequality.  He still needs to deliver on those promises, but it's certainly a much better read on what's going on than balanced budgets and F-35s.

Unionist

kropotkin1951 wrote:

What I find interesting is the fact that Singh as a national leader obviously affected the vote in Burnaby South. In Outremont the voter turmout was 21.4% and in York-Simcoe it was 19.9%  In Burnaby South the turnout was low but at 29.9% it was a 50% bump over the other by-elections. Clearly the voters in Burnaby were more engaged in these by-elections.

"More engaged"?? Not sure what that means. Surely you've read lagatta's graphic description of the hazardous conditions on Montréal sidewalks in recent days. Many people, especially older folks who have more time and are more likely to vote in a byelection, simply stayed home. Especially when everyone knows what the result will be anyway.

In 2007, by contrast, 37% voted in the Outremont byelection. I guess we were a lot more engaged then?

PS: I'm reposting this in a more appropriate thread - By-Election Predictions / Results / Discussions for Feb 25, 2019.

Unionist

[Post is by R.E. Wood - from another thread.]

R.E. Wood wrote:

wage zombie wrote:

What would you like to see from Singh over the next eight months?

Thanks for the question, wage zombie. I'd like to see lots of things from Singh. In no particular order:

- I want him to be up-to-date on all the issues, and on all party policies, so he can avoid looking like a deer in the headlights during media interviews, avoid having to ask other MP's the answers to the tough questions, and avoid contradicting party policy.

- I want him to make decisive decisions that reflect a progressive, left viewpoint, rather than his usual delay tactics and wishy-washy statements.

- I'd love if he stopped being "deeply offended", "deeply disturbed" or "deeply disappointed" over every little thing. Save the hyperbole for when it's actually appropriate - otherwise he's the "boy who cried wolf".

- I'd like him to reinstate Erin Weir as an NDP MP and allow him to run in the next election as the NDP candidate, and at the same time he needs to make amends with most of the NDP in Saskatchewan, where he is currently unwelcome -- an unacceptable state for a federal leader of the party to have placed himself. (Oh, and he could do the same thing in Alberta, too.)

- I'd like him to work harder in Quebec. The NDP is on the verge of losing every single seat in the province - that has to be taken more seriously.

- I'd like him to stop dismissing the prairie provinces entirely (when he isn't insulting them specifically), and value NDP voters in those provinces, and the potential to hold the current NDP seats in those provinces, as well as the opportunities to elect more NDP MP's in those provinces. Singh has written the prairie provinces all off, which I find "deeply offensive" (to borrow a phrase!).

- I'd like him to demonstrate some of his self-professed talents as a fundraiser, which have been sadly lacking since he won the leadership.

- I'd like him & the party itself to craft a genuinely compelling platform that will motivate and excite progressive people. Stop with the Doom-and-Gloom (I'm sick of him telling us how terrible things are in the country) and offer a set of exciting, positive policies to move Canada forward, and don't do it with the moronic "love and courage" pablum. We don't need meaningless platitudes. We need a concrete platform for progress and visionary change that will lead the world, benefit all of our country, and not leave behind workers and people in provinces Singh doesn't seem to value very much.

- I'd like him to have clear lines based on principle, not political expediency. For example, his contradiction between his support for LNG and his refusal to support Trans-Mountain. How does he justify one and not the other? (Well, I know how he tries to - I've seen him talk about it, but political expediency is the true answer.) People like Svend Robinson have made an unequivocal stance based on principle... so have people like Rachel Notley, who's made a stand based on pragmatism... like them or not - agree with their viewpoints or not - they have made clear unwavering choices. Singh is a fence-sitter, and not a particularly good one IMO.

There's probably a lot more I'd like him to do... or not do... but those are the things that come immediately to mind.

Lots of food for thought and discussion here! Thanks R.E. Wood.

NDPP

Stop supporting Apartheid Israel. Stop supporting Nazi Ukraine. Stop supporting NATO.  Stop supporting the American coup in Venezuela!  No serious leftist should vote for a political party that continues to support such obvious outrages.

lagatta4

Yes, some of the people I phoned said they were very sorry, but were too afraid to go outside. Election day was a terror - not only all the ice and new precipitation in various forms, but also gale-force winds. And it was horribly cold.

lagatta4

Pretty much what Unionist said. We must remember that the CCF began on the prairies. I strongly disagree with Notley about pipelines, but on other issues, she is very different from the other parties, and she has advocated transition and green jobs. Those deserve support from a progressive pan-Canadian party.

Now that Singh will be spending much of his time in Ottawa, on the Québec border and with many Franco-Ontarians, he will be able to radically improve his French. He has a good accent and fluency, but still makes beginner's errors. He needs coaching and might consider making at least one of his aides a francophone, as well as making it a habit to listen to Radio-Canada.

Singh wasn't my choice, but I'm certainly not a "hater".

I think that being from greater Vancouver, he could and must make affordable housing, including social housing a priority, as well as better public transport for the great many commuters in that region. Social housing must not be only for the poorest of the poor - it should be for workers who have a hard time making ends meet as well as those excluded from the labour market for various reasons.

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..once again this is turning into a leadersentric proposition. that's not how change happens. if there is no fucking democracy it's unreasonable to expect the leader to fix this..from the top down. the grassroots/membership have to come forward. loud and clear. they have to revolt. imho.

..from another thread

We still have time to stop a Tory Brexit

quote:

Conference policy, passed in September after a record-breaking number of motions submitted by members, committed Labour to explore all options to prevent a Tory Brexit. Opinion poll after opinion poll shows overwhelming support for a public vote among Labour voters. Pressure on the leadership came not only from centrist MPs who, after years of threatening to do so, rather anticlimactically left the party to form a new grouping. Primarily, it came from the grassroots – through countless letters, petitions, street stalls, demonstrations, hundreds of motions debated by CLPs.

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epaulo13 wrote:

..once again this is turning into a leadersentric proposition. that's not how change happens. if there is no fucking democracy it's unreasonable to expect the leader to fix this..from the top down. the grassroots/membership have to come forward. loud and clear. they have to revolt. imho.

I totally agree. It's the main reason I didn't renew my membership all those decades ago. But it's not going to change - because it's an electoral party, not any kind of mass movement. It has even long lost its connection with the union movement.

I don't always vote. When I do, it's: 1) For an individual that seems decent, regardless of party. 2) For a party which stands a chance of beating a worse party (so-called "strategic" voting).

I see no reason to believe that a membership revolt will happen, let alone succeed any better than previous ones (Waffle, NPI, etc.). If you detect the slightest hint that such a movement could erupt within the party, and that it's worth nourishing without creating illusions and wasting time, please point me in that direction.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..while i have my thoughts on it at this point i don't really have enough info on the workings of the membership. but if it is the case that the membership will not rebel, i'm thinking that they should share some of the criticisms the leader faces. also the braintrust and the caucus. otherwise i feel this just feeds into the power struggles going on within the ndp.

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SNAFU

Situation Normal All Fucked Up.

Pondering

I hope he keeps the focus on inequality. I am hopeful the platform will seriously address that because Guy Caron seems to be close to Singh. I supported Caron for the leadership because of what he was saying about the economy from the perspective of an economist. He talked about the structural problems feeding inequality. 

It's great to give people all kinds of benefits but at core what people need most is a fair wage.

JKR

Many people are now talking about increased wealth taxes as income taxes are unable to reduce the inequality created by billionaires.

WWWTT

Here’s a surprise from the icm! Jagmeet becoming the PM in a headline 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/jagmeet-singh-ndp-leader-canadas-next-pm-151816694.html

There’s a potential roadblock in Quebec this time around because of the fact that Singh, a Sikh, wears a turban. Fournier, a Quebec native, says it’s more about religion for Quebecers than it is about race when it comes to voting. After all, this is a province that last year gave a majority mandate to a government that has proposed a ban on public servants wearing religious symbols at work.

Fits right in with why Julia lost to a Jewish liberal candidate. Perhaps if Julia was Jewish, maybe she could have stepped out of the shadow cast by Jags turban?

Lots of bigots in Quebec, no different than the rest of Canada. 

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