Jody Wilson-Raybould & Jane Philpott: Where do they go politically from here?

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Jody Wilson-Raybould & Jane Philpott: Where do they go politically from here?
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If JWR goes to the Conservatives before the next election it would quickly put an end to Justin’s political career

However JWR is not going to do that

So what other political alternatives does JWR have?

2 JWR could wait out for the Liberals to have their next leadership convention but after so many Liberals have been involved in the Liberal smear campaign against her would she feel comfortable reconnecting with them again. Also is she not persona non grata now in the Liberal party?

3 JWR could join the Greens and become Leader as  Elizabeth May must be close to retirement by now

4 JWR could join the NDP and run for Leader in the next Leadership Convention 

5 JWR could run as an Independent 

6 Like Bernier JWR could start up a new political party something along the lines of a Mother Earth (Green) / Indigenous Peoples / Feminist political party

7 JWR could enter provincial politics

8 JWR could get more involved in Indigenous Peoples politics

 

 

 

Paladin1

What's stopping her from going to the conservatives?

NorthReport

I don’t think they are on the same wave-length

NorthReport

JWR’s Dad Bill Wilson has suggested she run as an Independent

Do folks here know his background?

What Canada needs is 338 Independent candidates who are going to actually represent the most needy citizens in each of their respective ridings but not going to happen because of $

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/vancouversun.com/news/local-news/expelled-by-the-liberals-jody-wilson-raybould-could-be-courted-by-other-parties/amp

robbie_dee

JWR has a good sense of timing. If, as polls are predicting, the Greens win the PEI election and Paul Manly follows that up with an upset in Nanaimo Ladysmith, I could see her joining the Greens thereafter. It would establish a narrative of "momentum" going into the summer. Probably not enough for the Greens to contend for government but enough for the Greens to have a good showing and be a real player in a minority parliament this fall.

Alternatively, if she just wants to be A-G again, I could also see her joining the Conservatives shortly before the fall election.

I don't really see her as a ND and the Party would have its "no floor crossing" rule to contend with even if that were a possibility.

I expect under the circumstances she could probably run and win as an independent but that seems like a waste of time. If she really wants to get back into the Liberal Party she can just wait out Trudeau's likely loss this fall then join the leadership race to succeed him. She doesn't have to still be an MP to do that.

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First of all the Conservatives are toxic to a true liberal believer like JWR, however the Conservatives did come second behind her in the last election so if she wanted to run for them she would be a shoo in. IMO the Conservatives would never be as politically inept as to put an ethical person into the AG position. Anyone they appoint will understand that in Canada the corporate interest and the public interest are the same.

I think that the Greens would be a better fit than the NDP for her and May would happily embrace her as a second Green MP.  JWR might even be able to win her riding under the Green banner. Green's in BC tend to win in more affluent areas with many professionals.

NorthReport

Are the Greens too right-wing for the NDP to consider merging with them? If not perhaps they could quickly join forces somehow install JWR as Leader and run under a new name like the Mother Earth Progressives Party

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Are the Greens too right-wing for the NDP to consider merging with them? If not perhaps they could quickly join forces somehow install JWR as Leader and run under a new name like the Mother Earth Progressives Party

The Greens and the NDP are not individuals they are political parties that include many members who have dedicated their lives to their cause and have built little empires within the party structures. There is no way the NDP or Green party is going to merge.  The activists from both parties agree on most of our society's pressing issues. JWR is not anywhere close to the type of person needed to lead a new Red/Green party. She is neither a environmental activist nor a workers advocate. I like her integrity but I don't like her liberal world view, not even on indigenous issues.

NorthReport

krop I hear you about the little empires loud and clear But  I’m sure the supporters of both parties must be so very tired of always losing. The NDP has had one serious possibility with Jack Layton but, and I know they are newer, the Greens with their spot on name for the pressing issue of our times, have only won 1 seat, May’s own, since she became leader, 13 long years ago

 

 

Pondering

She has said something to the effect that she is considering staying in federal politics. The NDP is a much more likely choice. I see her as an ambitious intelligent woman with an ego (none of which is wrong or sinful) but she would never run for a party who dog whistles to racists. I don't believe she deserves a halo or was entirely without self-interest in the SNC thing but that is not the same thing as being unethical. The recording breached trust but it wasn't unethical. 

I think the NDP would switch out Singh for JWR in a heartbeat. If she runs as an independent it is not to become a backbencher no matter how influential. If she runs for the NDP under Singh the next step will be to become leader of the party. The NDP could do a lot worse but I think supporters might be surprised by her platform. 

Pondering

robbie_dee wrote:

I don't really see her as a ND and the Party would have its "no floor crossing" rule to contend with even if that were a possibility.

The no floor crossing thing only applies while in office. They would be fine with her running and being elected as an NDP MP. 

robbie_dee

Pondering wrote:

I think the NDP would switch out Singh for JWR in a heartbeat. If she runs as an independent it is not to become a backbencher no matter how influential. If she runs for the NDP under Singh the next step will be to become leader of the party. The NDP could do a lot worse but I think supporters might be surprised by her platform. 

As a matter of political tactics switching out Jagmeet for JWR would be brilliant but I am not sure how that plays out in practice. As you point out she can't even formally join the NDP caucus until after the next election and if the NDP does well (presumably boosted in part by the publicity of her joining) Jagmeet himself will also likely be trying to take credit for it and not inclined to just hand over his hard fought-for mantle to the new kid on the block. Taking over the Green Party from May, who is turning 65 this year and has been at it now for 13 years, seems like a more likely strategy and there is a decent chance the Greens will end up with more seats than the NDP this fall anyways (particularly with JWR on the team).

NorthReport

rd

I gather you are trying to turn this into a joke thread, eh.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

NorthReport

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Sean in Ottawa

The NDP does not do anything in a heartbeat.

She would be very controversial as Kropotkin explains. She could become an NDP MP but the party is less likely to pitch out a leader for a person who just became an MP. Besides, members, as has been pointed out, will not stab Singh if he does not do badly. If he does badly then she would not want the job either.

That said I do think the Greens and the NDP may eventually merge. They will not do it with May.

It could come about with two changes: First, when the Greens are led by someone who is also social democratic. (By the way, it is possible that people will see one as premier of PEI shortly. Peter Bevan Baker is on the left side of Green politics.) Second, when more Canadians who presently are becoming aware of how serious the environment is, come to see it as the top priority.

 

 

 

 

NorthReport

This is written by a right-winger. He's correct but so what, as it is not going to do his Conservatives any good come October. It may give a boost to the NDP however. If the Liberals lose the next election though, which is still a longshot, Justin will be booted out the door in a heartbeat. And maybe that is what JWR will wait for. She won't even have to say 'I told you so'. Who knows.

The one and only person to blame for the SNC-Lavalin scandal

Andrew MacDougall: It was Justin Trudeau making bad calls every step of the way. He is the sole author of his government’s misfortune.

https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-one-and-only-person-to-blame-for-the-snc-lavalin-scandal/

Pondering

robbie_dee wrote:

As a matter of political tactics switching out Jagmeet for JWR would be brilliant but I am not sure how that plays out in practice. As you point out she can't even formally join the NDP caucus until after the next election and if the NDP does well (presumably boosted in part by the publicity of her joining) Jagmeet himself will also likely be trying to take credit for it and not inclined to just hand over his hard fought-for mantle to the new kid on the block.

She can run in this election in Oct. 2019 as NDP.  She just can't sit as an NDP in the house until she is elected as such. 

If she were to win her seat, after the election, over the next couple of years not instantly, Singh could be pressured to step aside by the party powerful to allow for a new leadership convention. I am not by any means positive that would happen. I just think that there is a good chance it would. My opinion is based on the assumption that winning is a powerful motivator and the NDP would be more likely to take power under JWR than under Singh. 

If Trudeau still wins in 2019 then in 2023 it will be a change election. He could still win but his chances will be dimmed. If 2023 isn't the change election then 2027 will almost surely lead to a change in government. 

So in my eyes although the NDP can certainly make gains in 2019 they have much better chances in 2023 and 27.  Climate change is only going to get more serious with each passing year. Despite the carbon tax the NDP can still lay fault with both the Conservatives and Liberals for gross negligence on the environment. 

I don't think that JWR will join the NDP but if she were to I think as leader she would attract more votes than Singh in 2023/27. 

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

robbie_dee wrote:

As a matter of political tactics switching out Jagmeet for JWR would be brilliant but I am not sure how that plays out in practice. As you point out she can't even formally join the NDP caucus until after the next election and if the NDP does well (presumably boosted in part by the publicity of her joining) Jagmeet himself will also likely be trying to take credit for it and not inclined to just hand over his hard fought-for mantle to the new kid on the block.

She can run in this election in Oct. 2019 as NDP.  She just can't sit as an NDP in the house until she is elected as such. 

If she were to win her seat, after the election, over the next couple of years not instantly, Singh could be pressured to step aside by the party powerful to allow for a new leadership convention. I am not by any means positive that would happen. I just think that there is a good chance it would. My opinion is based on the assumption that winning is a powerful motivator and the NDP would be more likely to take power under JWR than under Singh. 

If Trudeau still wins in 2019 then in 2023 it will be a change election. He could still win but his chances will be dimmed. If 2023 isn't the change election then 2027 will almost surely lead to a change in government. 

So in my eyes although the NDP can certainly make gains in 2019 they have much better chances in 2023 and 27.  Climate change is only going to get more serious with each passing year. Despite the carbon tax the NDP can still lay fault with both the Conservatives and Liberals for gross negligence on the environment. 

I don't think that JWR will join the NDP but if she were to I think as leader she would attract more votes than Singh in 2023/27. 

Did you already decide we were having a majority this fall? Who knew?

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I think the Greens would be a good temporary place for her.  With her in the fold, they would likely get at least 2 seats, but would also have tons of attention.  Greens generally cover the spectrum economically with a common affinity to the environment.  I am not sure how much of a planet saver she is, I bet more like 'we are the stewards of the land' with significant support for economic development that is financially supportive to First Nations (no judging of this view whatsoever).

Once in Parliament she would be a her own boss - who in the Green Party could give her direction.

Pondering

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Did you already decide we were having a majority this fall? Who knew?

Don't know where you got that idea. I am hoping for a Liberal minority if the NDP doesn't win which I think is unlikely.  Do you think it is likely that Singh will become PM in October? I wouldn't say it is impossible but it is a very long shot. 

If he wins the election of course he will remain leader regardless of what JWR does. It's a speculation thread.  If she is staying in federal politics there aren't that many options. 

NorthReport

Under our FPTP voting system, with all these right-wingers, coming out of the woodwork, Scheer, Bernier, Yellow Vest Extremists, etc, maybe the Centre (Liberals and Greens) and the Left of Centre (NDP) will have to join forces to keep the Angry White Men out of office. 

Speaking of that, there is now a university course at a school in the USA entitled  'Angry White Men'.

Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Did you already decide we were having a majority this fall? Who knew?

Don't know where you got that idea. I am hoping for a Liberal minority if the NDP doesn't win which I think is unlikely.  Do you think it is likely that Singh will become PM in October? I wouldn't say it is impossible but it is a very long shot. 

If he wins the election of course he will remain leader regardless of what JWR does. It's a speculation thread.  If she is staying in federal politics there aren't that many options. 

Election dates in 2023 and 2027 presume majorities. With minorities dates are not known as the government can fall at any moment or a new mandate be reqested by the government. Only in the US system or where there are majorities do we look forward to election cycles like this.

NorthReport

Watch out Liberals!

Jody Wilson-Raybould lives up to the name she was given, her father says

 

Wilson wasn't surprised by Trudeau's decision to kick his daughter and Philpott from caucus. He saw it coming, he said, because "if you don't kiss the emperor's ass, you're going to get in trouble."

After-effects expected

Wilson isn't unfamiliar with Canadian politics, having been involved in constitutional talks in the 1980s after becoming the second Indigenous man to graduate from the University of British Columbia's law school, also his daughter's alma mater.

He said the prime minister, who "inherited his mother's good looks, but not his father's intellect," has made a mess of his bed, making room for the Conservative party to win this year's election.

"Sadly, we'll probably end up with another four years of conservative right-wing Christian government, and it won't do anything for Aboriginal people," Wilson said. "The money should go to Aboriginal people in the community to do things on their own accord, based on their own values and systems."

When asked why he thinks Trudeau gave the task of developing a new reconciliation framework to Carolyn Bennett, the minister for Crown-Indigenous relations, and not to Wilson-Raybould, he said he suspected that the prime minister feared allowing Indigenous communities to choose their own leaders.

"Indian business is a big business. $100 billion every year for lawyers, consultants, and other staff, yet only nine cents of every dollar get to the communities," Wilson said. "Jody was willing to make changes through a principles document that would see Aboriginal people in the communities choosing their own leaders, as opposed to the puppets."

The hereditary chief said this fight is far from over, but he's confident in his daughter's ability to continue to act with integrity.

In a recent Facebook post Wilson said that his daughter is who she is because of four women; Jody's maternal grandmother Irene Hindle, who helped to nurture her with love and kindness; Sandy Raylene Hindle, her mother, who raised Jody and her sister "with little help from me;" and his own mother and her sister, who stood with her "through thick and thin."

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https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/04/05/news/jody-wilson-raybould-lives-name-she-was-given-her-father-says

NorthReport

Should Puglaas and Philpott start their own party?

What if they formed their own party?

Hell, they might call it the Just Society Party, I suggest with tongue in cheek.

That label would sure distinguish their party and its vision from the all that Justin Trudeau and his apologists have so clearly demonstrated they never really ran to advance.

Call that new party whatever you want. I couldn’t care less.

Yet just imagine if Canadians could actually vote for a party led by Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott, with Puglaas as its most likely titular leader.

Far-fetched, you say? Agreed. But hardly impossible.

Jody Wilson-Raybould✔@Puglaas

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Reflecting on what PM has done, my thoughts are w/ my constituents in , my dedicated staff & volunteers, my family & friends & all Canadians who believed in a new way of doing politics. I will take the time to reflect & talk to my supporters about what happens next. (1/2)

Jody Wilson-Raybould✔@Puglaas

What I can say is that I hold my head high & that I can look myself in the mirror knowing I did what I was required to do and what needed to be done based on principles & values that must always transcend party. I have no regrets. I spoke the truth as I will continue to do. (2/2)

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If Maxime Bernier’s fledgling People’s Party could somehow form electoral district associations in all 338 Canadian ridings in barely three months last fall, it is entirely plausible that P&P could do likewise in the same or less time.

If Bernier can somehow field candidates in all those ridings—under a party that most voters regard as too extreme in its views on immigration and other issues for their liking—it should be a relative snap for Puglaas and Philpott to attract qualified candidates to run for their new party.

After all, its mainstream appeal would essentially be all that the Liberals promised and failed to deliver.

Think of it as Liberal-plus, unbound by party dogma and slavish devotion to any ideology. A new postpartisan party, as it were, tailor-made for millennials and for those Canadians whose voices have been discounted for too long by the Laurentian elites who live to elect those who view power as its own end game. 

Who wouldn’t love to see Jody Wilson-Raybould on the podium facing off against Justin Trudeau in a leader’s debate?

It would be ratings gold.

What would it take for that to happen under the three criteria established by the Leaders’ Debates Commission for participating in the two leaders’ debates that will be held and broadcast?

A lot. 

Essentially, the first rule precludes even Bernier from participating in the leaders’ debates, since he didn’t get elected as a member of the party he now leads.

That would equally disqualify either JWR or Philpott.

But with five months to go until the scheduled election, it might be possible to convince 304 good Canadians to represent their new party in 90 percent of the 338 ridings across Canada.

With the attention and broad support those remarkable politicians now enjoy, the Debates Commissioner would be hard-pressed to deny them as participants, in view of the “recent political context”.  

Chances are, the public opinion polls would soon show their new party has much more support than Bernier’s flat-lined offering. 

In any case, JWR could give all party leaders a real run for their money, regardless of how many candidates she and Philpott managed to field under a new party label.

You can bet that thousands of Canadians would support their cause with hard cash, not dissimilar to the success that Bernie Sanders has once again enjoyed in his fundraising efforts in the U.S. presidential campaign. 

Sanders raised $18.2 million in his first 41 days since announcing his presidential bid.

Wilson-Raybould could raise at least a few million dollars over the next five months, to give a new party under her leadership a fighting shot at winning seats. 

Go fund her and it. Beats handing Trudeau your hard-earned dough.

Wouldn’t it be something if Puglaas and Philpott got elected, along with even a handful of other new candidates, to potentially hold the balance of power in a minority government?

As the B.C. Greens have shown, stranger things might happen. 

I’d bet that even if they fielded candidates in a couple dozen strategically fertile ridings across Canada, P&P’s odds of winning seats would probably exceed those of May’s Green party.

Because it would essentially be a renewed Liberal party with a leader who is arguably more attractive on any number of criteria than the current alternatives. 

If nothing else, it would be Trudeau’s worst nightmare, as it would bleed off so many Liberal votes.

If P&P were afraid of splitting the vote and benefitting Scheer’s party, they could target the ridings that are traditionally won by the Liberals at the expense of the NDP and Greens, where the Conservatives would not stand a prayer of getting elected.

In British Columbia there are 17 degrees of separation between another Trudeau government and a more likely minority government that might put P&P in the cat bird’s seat. 

They are the 17 people who now sit as Liberals, not including JWR.

Sixteen of them represent seats in Wilson-Raybould’s backyard—in Metro Vancouver and the Fraser Valley.

All of them would be newly vulnerable if P&P offered an alternative party that presented voters a new venue for venting their anger. 

Believe me, many British Columbians are spitting mad at those Liberal lickspittles who stood and cheered when Trudeau punted Puglaas out of caucus and tried to brand her actions as “unconscionable”.

Would any of those Liberal MPs or their colleagues finally find their moral compass? 

Would any of them decide to cross the floor and run with P&P under a new party banner, if given the chance to right their own wrongs in blindly supporting a leader who has caused so much harm to his party and country?

I expect there would be a tsunami of support—not least, from Indigenous communities that would instantly rally and mobilize on its behalf—were P&P to start their own party.

Indigenous rights and title would suddenly take centre-stage in Canada’s long overdue political debate. Justice and the constitution would suddenly become election issues.

That, too, would be a good thing. 

P&P could do so much to advance that cause by offering a new political option that is first and foremost a party dedicated to upholding the constitutional rights of all Canadians, without political fear or favour.

The so-called “earned media” that would flow from simply launching that enterprise would give Trudeau fits. 

It would also make Scheer very nervous about the populist impacts of the movement that his party has done so much to help precipitate by holding out P&P as examples par excellence of the face of integrity in Canadian politics.

Go for it, JWR and Philpott, I say.

Start your own party.

Don’t settle for isolating yourselves as independents.

Don’t settle for running under other leaders’ party banners, which would not fully allow your leadership to make the most of the promise you might hold out for all Canadians. 

Make your indelible mark on Canadian political history that much more meaningful and everlasting.

For the opportunity that you have both created by your selfless and wholly honourable acts, in defence of the rule of law, could be Canada’s moment to shine.

In celebration of your virtuous conduct and true leadership. 

In faith of the public trust that you have shown is your highest calling.

In nation-building as true servants of the public interest. 

Because, you know, it’s 2019.

 

https://www.straight.com/news/1224416/martyn-brown-should-puglaas-and-philpott-start-their-own-party

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Justin Trudeau Used To Make People Go  — Now It’s More Like 

One recent opinion poll had the Canadian prime minister with a lower approval rating than Donald Trump. How did this happen?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hayesbrown/justin-trudeau-snc-lavalin-scandal-feminist-no-more

NorthReport

Why I Turned My Back on Justin Trudeau During Daughters of the Vote

This is not the first time DOV delegates have taken a stand.

https://www.flare.com/news/daughters-of-the-vote-women-turn-their-backs-on-trudeau/

NorthReport

Trudeau drowned out by hecklers at Toronto funding announcement

https://globalnews.ca/news/5134636/trudeau-heckled-toronto/

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Trudeau drowned out by hecklers at Toronto funding announcement

https://globalnews.ca/news/5134636/trudeau-heckled-toronto/

Yellow vest style hecklers. Hopefully their behavior will stick to the Conservatives. 

I would love a JWR/JP party. It would be a blast. 

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Pondering wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Trudeau drowned out by hecklers at Toronto funding announcement

https://globalnews.ca/news/5134636/trudeau-heckled-toronto/

Yellow vest style hecklers. Hopefully their behavior will stick to the Conservatives. 

I would love a JWR/JP party. It would be a blast. 

Prove positive that you have no affinity to a social democratic cause. You are a liberal through and through not a bit of a socialist. Your solution to our political crisis is to have two liberal women form a party to lead us to nirvana. Your political insights are amusing if nothing else.

NorthReport

I am glad JWF is challenging these so-called anonymous sources as it appears listening to media that everyone knows they are Liberal sources Journalists are overdoing it with their constant quoting from unidentified people

https://globalnews.ca/news/5135850/jody-wilson-raybould-anonymous-leaks-future-of-politics/amp/

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

I am glad JWF is challenging these so-called anonymous sources as it appears listening to media that everyone knows they are Liberal sources Journalists are overdoing it with their constant quoting from unidentified people

https://globalnews.ca/news/5135850/jody-wilson-raybould-anonymous-leaks-future-of-politics/amp/

So now anonymous sources are bad?

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Paladin1

NorthReport wrote:

Under our FPTP voting system, with all these right-wingers, coming out of the woodwork, Scheer, Bernier, Yellow Vest Extremists, etc, maybe the Centre (Liberals and Greens) and the Left of Centre (NDP) will have to join forces to keep the Angry White Men out of office. 

Speaking of that, there is now a university course at a school in the USA entitled  'Angry White Men'.

 

A very angry Liberal white man just kicked two women, including an FN member, out of the Liberal party. 

 

Time to ramp up the Conservative angry white man fear mongering. 

JKR

Paladin1 wrote:

Time to ramp up the Conservative angry white man fear mongering. 

Trudeau’s lucky Donald Trump, Doug Ford , Stephen Harper, Jason Kenney, Maxime Bernier, Andrew Scheer, etc... are frightful. A rogues’ gallery of bad politicians.

NorthReport

What if they are lying?

bekayne wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I am glad JWF is challenging these so-called anonymous sources as it appears listening to media that everyone knows they are Liberal sources Journalists are overdoing it with their constant quoting from unidentified people

https://globalnews.ca/news/5135850/jody-wilson-raybould-anonymous-leaks-future-of-politics/amp/

So now anonymous sources are bad?

NorthReport

But the Conservatives do attract a lot of angry white men so what is it about Conservative politics that does attract this kind of supporter?

Paladin1 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Under our FPTP voting system, with all these right-wingers, coming out of the woodwork, Scheer, Bernier, Yellow Vest Extremists, etc, maybe the Centre (Liberals and Greens) and the Left of Centre (NDP) will have to join forces to keep the Angry White Men out of office. 

Speaking of that, there is now a university course at a school in the USA entitled  'Angry White Men'.

 

A very angry Liberal white man just kicked two women, including an FN member, out of the Liberal party. 

 

Time to ramp up the Conservative angry white man fear mongering. 

NorthReport

What does the future hold for Caesar-Chavannes?

Did Celina explain why she does not want to run again because don’t you need 2 terms to get your MP’s pension?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/video-former-liberal-mp-celina-caesar-chavannes-shouts-out-daughters-of-the/

Sean in Ottawa

NorthReport wrote:

Justin Trudeau Used To Make People Go  — Now It’s More Like 

One recent opinion poll had the Canadian prime minister with a lower approval rating than Donald Trump. How did this happen?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hayesbrown/justin-trudeau-snc-lavalin-scandal-feminist-no-more

Lower than Donald Trump?

Easy: Trudeau ran in a multiparty system with many more parties than Trump. The comparison is silly.

Even though each leader is measured on a separate scale, the fact that competing ones exist mean that MANY people will give high responses to their own choice and lower to others. You cannot compare approval ratings between countries with many parties and those with just two and expect anything valid.

NorthReport

 

I agree

Unfortunately when the pollster released those comments I don’t believe he released the polling results for the other Canadian political party leaders 

Unionist

NorthReport wrote:

I agree

Unfortunately when the pollster released those comments I don’t believe he released the polling results for the other Canadian political party leaders 

The poll asked how he was doing as PM. They couldn't ask that question about the other party leaders. When it came to voter intentions (which they did poll), the Liberals came in at 30%, much lower than Trudeau's personal 40%:

For what it's worth, you can find lots of info from the poll here, with provincial, gender, and age breakdowns, etc. I personally don't put much stock in polls like these.

Pondering

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Pondering wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Trudeau drowned out by hecklers at Toronto funding announcement

https://globalnews.ca/news/5134636/trudeau-heckled-toronto/

Yellow vest style hecklers. Hopefully their behavior will stick to the Conservatives. 

I would love a JWR/JP party. It would be a blast. 

Prove positive that you have no affinity to a social democratic cause. You are a liberal through and through not a bit of a socialist. Your solution to our political crisis is to have two liberal women form a party to lead us to nirvana. Your political insights are amusing if nothing else.

Wow, you think they would win? I think you are the one looking for a magical leader to lead you to nirvana. I'm just hoping for a government that  will move us in the opposite direction from neoliberalism. 

As for affinity to a social democratic cause, I'm not into ideology. I want practical solutions that will improve lives. If they happen to be social democractic that's great but if not I don't mind as long as they work. 

Notley is a social democrat.

NorthReport
NorthReport

What percentage of the Caucus if they were to be truly honest now are having second thoughts about Justin booting Philpott and JWR out of their little ‘yes prime minister, whatever you say prime minister’ Liberal club?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/we-all-feel-regret-about-where-we-are-minister-gould-on-snc-lavalin-scandal-1.4368527

 

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Pondering wrote:

I think you are the one looking for a magical leader to lead you to nirvana.

Classic deflection, claim your opponent in a debate suffers from one's own weakness.

Sean in Ottawa

People vote for many different reasons. The value of having a social democratic party win may be primary but given that the NDP is not necessarily reliable to either win or to be always social democratic in outlook, people can be tempted to consider other options. A party led by an Indigenous, strong woman with a desire to act ethically? Not at all something to turn away from without at least a thought.

This is not a denial that these women are not socialists, nor refutation of the priority to elect a social democratic government. This is a recognition that in an election people might want to make a different statement, especially if the NDP is not a likely winner anyway.

I am not saying how I would vote but I won't say that I would not consider options: like voting to show reconciliation is a priority for Canada, or a Green vote to make a point about the environment. I have always voted NDP and made it about my preference for social justice. Still, I do not think it is illegitimate, for a social democrat, to consider voting for an Indigenous leader like JWR if she formed a party, even knowing that she is not a social democrat.

I think there are too many male non-Indigenous politicians to not consider a party lead by a female Indigenous leader. I think an Indigenous leader might be able to bridge to reconciliation. I understand reconciliation to have the first step of stopping the damage and second the reconciliation. Canada has not finished the first step and needs to do so urgently. A vote is a message.

Perhaps after voting NDP EVERY single time in my life this is just not loyal enough but so be it.

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