Justin Trudeau = Harper with a smile

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Jacob Two-Two

It won't. Yet it's still the best thing any federal party is offering us. Shows you how badly behind the Cons and Libs are.

mark_alfred

ajaykumar wrote:

And how will the NDP approach of cap and trade reduce global warming ?this is directed to the einsteins in the NDP.

Quebec has cap and trade and is the only region in Canada to meet the Kyoto targets.  link

janfromthebruce

NorthReport wrote:

Bingo!

White Cat wrote:

Trudeau Jr. is now taking the Stephen Harper approach to climate change with some platitudes thrown in for good measure:

Justin Trudeau says carbon pricing should be left to provinces

I think Pierre Trudeau would despise Justin as a federal leader. Pierre believed in a strong federal government. Justin supports Harper's decentralized version as well as the low-tax small-government mantra.

Quick recap. Trudeau is RIGHT of Harper on: EI tax cut for corporations; Chinese foreign investment in the tarsands; Tempororay Foreign Workers (wants Harper's restrictions loosened on last two.)

Trudeau is the SAME as Harper on: carbon pricing/climate change; resource exports to China as "future of the Canadian economy"; FIPA; corporate tax cuts; free trade; dilbit pipelines and tankers; harsh cuts to EI benefits; etc.

Things Justin has in common with his father: DNA (although I'm beginning to wonder...)

BTW, this election is shaping up to be a farce. If one is critical of Trudeau's position on any issue, the Stop Harper! hystericals act like you insulted their mommy. Politics is too much like religion: check your brain at the door...  

Trudeau is not a leader rather a "head cheerleader". Fits with his "teamtrudeau" mindless meme. #fail

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Introducing a carbon tax killed Stephane Dion's career and handed an election to Harper.

Of course Trudeau is going to distance himself from any tax.

The narrative is clear -- taxes = bad. Corporate tax cuts = good.

Blame the moronic electorate.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

alan smithee wrote:

Introducing a carbon tax killed Stephane Dion's career and handed an election to Harper.

I don't think so. His career was killed by the fact that his actual personality and appearance, that of a nerdy ivory tower professor with poor English, was too close to the nasty caricature that the Cons drew of him. I strongly suspect that the very same policy, if being sold by a skilled vote getter like Bob Rae, would have done much better.

mark_alfred

National standard for carbon pricing?  Nope

Proportional Representation?  Nope

Ensure corporations pay their fair share of taxes?  Nope

Child care?  Nope

Be Harper with a smile?  Yup

thorin_bane

mark_alfred wrote:

National standard for carbon pricing?  Nope

Proportional Representation?  Nope

Ensure corporations pay their fair share of taxes?  Nope

Child care?  Nope

Be Harper with a smile?  Yup

But he has nice hair.

ajaykumar

Satellite Offices ? YES!

Negative Politics? YES!

Improper mailings? YES!

RUN LEFT, GOVERN RIGHT? YES, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME!

Wasting  Taxpayers Money? YES!

Reality Check: You can promise the moon when you are not going to win. Canadians deserve better. Trudeaumania is back!

White Cat White Cat's picture

ajaykumar wrote:

And how will the NDP approach of cap and trade reduce global warming ?this is directed to the einsteins in the NDP.

According to Wikipedia:

"A comprehensive, upstream, auctioned cap-and-trade system is very similar to a comprehensive, upstream carbon tax. "

A carbon tax is a bad idea. BC's carbon tax is "revenue neutral." This employs neo-con economics: i.e., tax consumption, cut "harmul taxes" on income.

Since the rich make 52% of the income and pay 60% of the income taxes, they get 60% of the tax cuts. Corporate and investment tax cuts are even worse, distribution wise.

This kind of taxation policy is regressive creating wider levels of inequality. 

The neo-con EcoFiscal commission run by ultra right-wing ideologues like Preston Manning and Chris Ragan boasts that BC cut corporate and income taxes by $760M/yr more than it raised in carbon taxes. It's a fraud.

The economy was successful back in the post-war era using Keynesian mixed-market economics (whether centrist or social democratic.) This included a 70% tax on the rich, plus small tariffs to leverage jobs. 

All the tax cuts and free trade bullshit over the past 35 years was a huge failure. It created inequality, economic instability and anemic economic growth, culuminating in the never-ending slump we're currently in.

 

White Cat White Cat's picture

janfromthebruce wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Bingo!

White Cat wrote:

Trudeau Jr. is now taking the Stephen Harper approach to climate change with some platitudes thrown in for good measure:

Justin Trudeau says carbon pricing should be left to provinces

I think Pierre Trudeau would despise Justin as a federal leader. Pierre believed in a strong federal government. Justin supports Harper's decentralized version as well as the low-tax small-government mantra.

Quick recap. Trudeau is RIGHT of Harper on: EI tax cut for corporations; Chinese foreign investment in the tarsands; Tempororay Foreign Workers (wants Harper's restrictions loosened on last two.)

Trudeau is the SAME as Harper on: carbon pricing/climate change; resource exports to China as "future of the Canadian economy"; FIPA; corporate tax cuts; free trade; dilbit pipelines and tankers; harsh cuts to EI benefits; etc.

Things Justin has in common with his father: DNA (although I'm beginning to wonder...)

BTW, this election is shaping up to be a farce. If one is critical of Trudeau's position on any issue, the Stop Harper! hystericals act like you insulted their mommy. Politics is too much like religion: check your brain at the door...  

Trudeau is not a leader rather a "head cheerleader". Fits with his "teamtrudeau" mindless meme. #fail

Yes, Trudeau's economic team has market fundamentalists like Mike Moffatt and Kevin Milligan. One says southern Ontario needs more free trade to recover the hundreds of thousands of lost manufacturing jobs. The other says cutting investment taxes will create prosperity and claims increased CPP benefits will widen inequality.

So all Trudeau has to offer is the same failed free-market ideology that has caused all our economic problems. More money for the rich, Tough Tory Times for everyone else (plus empty platitudes and broken promises.)

White Cat White Cat's picture

mark_alfred wrote:

National standard for carbon pricing?  Nope

Proportional Representation?  Nope

Ensure corporations pay their fair share of taxes?  Nope

Child care?  Nope

Be Harper with a smile?  Yup

Don't forget: legalize marijuana after being elected: Nope.

Paul Martin promised to decriminalize. Won the election. Broke the promise because the US didn't like the idea.

Trudeau Jr. actually voted for mandatory minimum 6-month jail sentences on people growing a few plants. Now he promises the moon.

Like the promise to repeal the GST and national daycare, Liberals believe election promises are silly things politicians say to get votes.

The Great Hope is really the Great Nope.

NorthReport

Excellent choice of title for a thread. 

White Cat White Cat's picture

ajaykumar wrote:

Satellite Offices ? YES!

Negative Politics? YES!

Improper mailings? YES!

RUN LEFT, GOVERN RIGHT? YES, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME!

Wasting  Taxpayers Money? YES!

Reality Check: You can promise the moon when you are not going to win. Canadians deserve better. Trudeaumania is back!

Mulcair is not promising the moon. He's promising what Canadians expect: to undo the damage Hurricane Harper has done over the past 9 years.

What does Trudeau Jr. promise to do? Nothing. He plans to leave it all in place. He supports Harper's mishandling of the economy.

Harper's $50-billion a year in reckless tax cuts: supports

Harper's harsh cuts to EI benefits turning unemployment insurance into a tax on poor workers: Supports

Harper's plan to make Canada an dirty-energy super-power: supports

Harper's plan to make Canada a resource colony of a fascist country: supports

Harper's multitude of free-trade and investor protection treaties: supports

The list goes on an on.

If people want actual change, Trudeau Jr. is not an option.

White Cat White Cat's picture

Latest update: Canada's market fundamentalists (Stephen Gordon, Kevin Milligan, etc.) are ecstatic that another neo-con has joined Trudeau's economic team: Jean-Yves Duclos.

He says government pension benefits are unsustainable and private health care is inevitable, among other things.

Here's an article featuring Duclos's ideology:
http://www.lapresse.ca/le-soleil/actualites/societe/201410/10/01-4808373...

One can translate it by right-clicking in Chrome. But here are some excerpts:

Quote:

In this regard, "the state's lifestyle" should be revised downwards, hence its support for the Commission's ongoing review of the programs created by the government Couillard, "an important and necessary exercise" and that Success is in the long term. An exercise, he believes, that will necessarily be done with "rational use of human and financial resources." 

In the circumstances, the researcher believes that the welfare state can no longer afford its ambitions. Citizens will have to take their financial situation in hand and count less on government assistance. 

The increase in life expectancy of Quebecers is straining the finances of the health sector.Professor Jean-Yves Duclos is hard to see how to get out again without a major blow bar. In a hypothetical scenario where the budgets of other departments would be frozen, "it would raise taxes by 60% over the next 15 years only to support public spending on health." 

"Before, we had a heart attack at age 65, we lived a few weeks, months and died. Today, at the same age with the same disease, with modern technology, we can easily live up to 80 years or more. But infarction is replaced by other diseases like diabetes or Alzheimer's, resulting in considerable costs for long periods. " 

This contains the standard neo-con tripe: exagerated, hysterical numbers; socially obtuse observations: "we were better off when people died at 65 from heart attacks"; and low-tax small-governemnt solutions that increase inequality and kill economic growth in a downward spiral.

janfromthebruce

Thus the red team will bring in more private health care to our cherished publicly owned medicare and continue on the path of the Martin Liberals. How progressive is that? It's not but tired neoliberal ideology has it's backers -those who benefit off the lives of others.

janfromthebruce

Don Davies, MP ‏@DonDavies

J Trudeau fails to show in HOC vote on his own party's motion to hold annual 1st Ministers' meetings @ThomasMulcair (& Harper) here #cdnpoli

So Junior Trudeau made a big public pronouncement of holding annual 1st Ministers' meetings but can't be bothered to show up and vote on his party's own motion.

n rural folks call all that "all hat no cattle". Just full of big talk but lacking in action, substance; pretentious.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Warren Kinsella nailed it at the Hill Times. Even though I can't stand him he points out a trusim, Trudeau has no susbtance and simply echoes what I have said, so-called platform to come or not (I say not; the Libs NEVER implement their platform so NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, their platfomr is MEANINGLESS!), the Libs better hope its style over substance, or they're going to be pretty upset the day after the next coming election when their by crashes and burns and the NDP either governs with a majority or retains Oppostion status. I LOVE this article!

David Young

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Warren Kinsella nailed it at the Hill Times. Even though I can't stand him he points out a trusim, Trudeau has no susbtance and simply echoes what I have said, so-called platform to come or not (I say not; the Libs NEVER implement their platform so NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, their platfomr is MEANINGLESS!), the Libs better hope its style over substance, or they're going to be pretty upset the day after the next coming election when their by crashes and burns and the NDP either governs with a majority or retains Oppostion status. I LOVE this article!

Arthur, can you post a link to the article.

We need to show everyone that article!

 

Brachina
mark_alfred

A recent article by Winsella in the Hill Times was about Trudeau dropping by "15 points" in the public's perception that he was the inevitable winner come next election (note, that's not hugely significant since he's still polling well, but it does show a slight downward trend, I guess -- since many people are simply drawn to whom they perceive as a winner).  Kinsella also reflected upon whether Trudeau appearing in more debates would be helpful to him or not.  Kinsella's opinion is that appearing in more debates would not be helpful to Trudeau.

josh

It is reasonable to expect that the policies of a Trudeau government would be dictated more by the tactical political considerations of the moment than by either ideology or platform pronouncements.

. . . .

the platform he has outlined so far positions him perfectly to woo economically conservative but socially liberal voters. In that case, expect a business-friendly government committed more in rhetoric than substance to addressing climate change and inequality.

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2015/03/03/would-trudeau-govern-from-the-right-or-left/

janfromthebruce

The money shot:

Some will fanatically defend what Trudeau has said, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. I won’t name names, but to those commenters, I again say: you are starting to resemble the Conbots you used to (rightly) condemn.

 

Debater

Warren Kinsella is a bitter ex-Liberal who is angry that his cronies are no longer in control.

He endorsed Joe Cressy last year and then worked for Olivia Chow.

Who knows where his real loyalities lie?

People who are smart know not to trust him.

The fact that he gets quoted here proves that people only like him when he bashes the Liberals.

nicky

I'm no fan of Warren K but he has demonstrated some political acumen in the past, although not always.

What is more significant is that he Is echoing what is being said more and more often - that Justin may not be the messiah after all.

I have had two friends, both confirmed Liberals, tell me in the last week that they wished Tom Mulcair was leading their party.

Perhaps Justin's handlers will be successful in keeping him insulated and well packaged. Or perhaps that pretty packaging will unravel. At the moment it is starting to fray.

Misfit

I think the Conservative election ads will expose his gaffes and use his inexperience to discredit him. He has already had too many. I don't think that most people know too much about his mistakes yet and that this could be why he is still polling high. I think the Liberals should have kept Bob Rae as their leader.

Pondering

nicky wrote:
I'm no fan of Warren K but he has demonstrated some political acumen in the past, although not always. What is more significant is that he Is echoing what is being said more and more often - that Justin may not be the messiah after all. I have had two friends, both confirmed Liberals, tell me in the last week that they wished Tom Mulcair was leading their party. Perhaps Justin's handlers will be successful in keeping him insulated and well packaged. Or perhaps that pretty packaging will unravel. At the moment it is starting to fray.

No one even said he was the messiah. I wouldn't take Tom Mulcair though. He's too old-fashioned even though he does look and sound more presentable as a PM. Even with that advantage the NDP isn't doing well.

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