Justin Trudeau = Harper with a smile

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mark_alfred

kropotkin1951 wrote:

He will be as the the title says, Harper with a smile.  I think that people tend to see Harper as in control when in fact he is just a nasty arrogant head waiter to the corporate boardrooms.  Trudeau will take his orders from the same people that tell Harper what policies are best.  The majority of Canadians prefer to be ruled by parties that are corporate sycophants.

Well said, though I'm still optimistic that the NDP could pull off a win next time.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I think that Trudeau taking speakers fees as an MP is reprehensible.  However I also wonder about the judgement of the boards that hired him. WTF were they thinking. 

sherpa-finn

The Liberal squawking about this story on Twitter is amazing, - characterizing it as a Tory set-up, blaming the charity, etc.  I suspect they know this story has the potential to be a character-defining moment for JT. 

NorthReport

In spite of Liberal propaganda media such as Huffington Post, CBC and Toronto Star, everybody is out of step but Johnny er....Justin on this one. What goes around, comes around.

 

A multi-millionaire elected politician, bags a $20,000 speaking fee for a charity which fund-raises for an 80-bed seniors' residence, and which runs into financial difficulties, let's staff go, and asks for Justin's assistance by returning his speaking fees, and Justin says screw-you.

Good luck Justin trying to persuade Canadians, you're one of the good guys.

socialdemocrati...

Hey, even a son of a former PM, supply teacher for 2-years needs to make a living. If he can't fleece charities, he might actually need to commit to something.

janfromthebruce

Trudeau refuses to refund $20,000 speaking fee to New Brunswick charity

In an interview, NDP ethics critic Charlie Angus said most MPs speak at events without a fee as part of their jobs.

“Really, straight-up, whatever happened to the notion of public service?” Mr. Angus said. “To me, it’s a staggering amount of money to take from a charity. But to do it as a public official, as a Member of Parliament, I think is unconscionable.”

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“In my view, it is inappropriate for a public official to accept a fee to speak at such an event when he is already paid to speak on matters of public policy,” Mr. Wall said in a statement.

And particularly in the area in which he serves as "the Liberal Party's critic for Youth and Multiculturalism, Citizenship and Immigration, and Post Secondary Education, Youth and Amateur Sport."

Mr. Trudeau was hired ... and he spoke about youth education.

Great blogpost by Buckdog and pretty funny. I had never heard this saying before.

'If you throw a rock into the dark and hear a yelp .. you hit the dog.'
Old Sask CCF populist political wisdom

-Saskatoon Star Phoenix: 'Wall calls for Trudeau to pay back $20K speaking fee.'  

Note: for the record ... I have no horse in this race. I simply enjoy good old fashioned Canadian politics.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Brad Wall wants to be the next Conservative PM.

NorthReport

 One percenter Justin Trudeau finally gets a clue and says he will pay the money back. Just another Liberal, in a long, long line of Liberal pigs at the trough, who thinks they are entitled to their entitlements. We can all see very well now that the one percenters will be the chosen ones if Trudeau has anything to do with it. Middle class my ass.

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Brad Wall wants to be the next Conservative PM.

Have you heard this from some source?

I think this could be a serious possibility. Not only do I think he could run but he is possibly the most likely person to win and clearly he has some experience... And he could win in 2015. This would not be good news.

Anyway-- that would be bad news if Harper resigned and he went for it. And we would get regressive horrible policies until people got tired of him.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Nope mere speculation based on his performance of late.  He has inserted himself into many of the national debates more so than most Premiers normally do.  Of course being unilingual is a problem but then again its not like the Conservatives are the party of choice in Quebec.

Hunky_Monkey

Tory friend of mine says he's taking french lessons.  If that's correct, pretty good bet he's looking to Ottawa.

 

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Nope mere speculation based on his performance of late.  He has inserted himself into many of the national debates more so than most Premiers normally do.  Of course being unilingual is a problem but then again its not like the Conservatives are the party of choice in Quebec.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I remember when the NDP elected Jack when his French was barely at a high school level. He traveled with his own personal french teacher for quite some time until he got proficient enough Francophones didn't have to cringe when he spoke their language.  I remember listening to him speak early on in his leadership and I laughed because I could follow the French part of his speech. Like many the speed of the spoken word has always been my main obstacle in trying to learn another language. Jack I could understand because he spoke very slow.

If Brad really is trying to learn French then that is significant. Since less than 2% of Saskatchewan people list French as their mother tongue it is certainly not for any provincial ambitions. He would reach more people in his home province by learning to speak either German or Cree.

janfromthebruce

Jack grew up in Quebec and would have had learned to speak French early and hear it often, whereas, Wall would not have had that large benefit of early exposure. Language learning is much easier when one is young and in fact trying to learn another language after (I think) age 13, is much much more difficult due to the brain wiring.

So Jack although not having spoken much French for years living in Toronto, would have had a much easier time. Wall I believe will have a steep hill to climb.

Steven Lewis stated when asked why he didn't run for the leadership of the NDP stated he could never master the French language. Incidently, in Sask. there is much pockets of French speaking people, and ditto for other parts of Canada, outside of Quebec. eg. Ontario, bilingual New Brunswich, Nova Scotia, and in BC.

So it's relevant beyond Quebec. I don't know if Wall is considering a run or not, but since the incident happen in Sask., and Trudeau was speaking about education to public school students which is a provincial responsibility, gives him some right to speak on this.

Inversely, Trudeau Jr. injected himself into a provincial byelection for his good friend Liberal leader and recent former Ontario Premier McGuinty (with robocall).

Is turn around fair play? Pot meet kettle and all that hogwash.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

janfromthebruce wrote:

Incidently, in Sask. there is much pockets of French speaking people, and ditto for other parts of Canada, outside of Quebec. eg. Ontario, bilingual New Brunswich, Nova Scotia, and in BC.

The people in Sask who claim French as their mother tongue is less than 2%. In BC it is less than 1%.  The fact that Adrian Dix is fluently bilingual was seldom raised in the election because no one would think it was relevant. In BC the fact that Jack could speak a little bit of Cantonese was more important to the voters than his French skills. That is just part of the tapestry of this country.

Wall is likely capable of learning enough French to read prepared parts of speeches. Outside of Quebec that will be good enough for the majority of the voters he would be trying to appeal to. I don't think anyone in the Tory war room is currently trying to devise a brilliant strategy to win the most seats in Quebec so a less than fluent leader will likely not be of concern to them.

Alberta Observer

Jack Layton had 10 times the integrity of Brad Wall. Even if the intent is to criticize Brad Wall, it makes me want to chock to see the words Integrity, Jack Layton and Brad Wall in the same posting. There is simply no comparison - it is literally a case of night and day. Jack Layton inspired Canadians. Brad Wall ....... well, enough said.

 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Nailed it again Jan!

janfromthebruce

I just don't believe Wall is considering running for the leadership of the federal conservative party. Having stated that, Wall as premier of Sask. does have a right to speak about public education and related issues because it is a provincial responsibility.

I thought it was irrelevant or lacked validity when Wall suggested Trudeau was using this money for his leadership bid. I don't Trudeau was even contemplating running back in 2011 (when he originally was sceduled) to speak. Although I would like to add that I believe he had plans to eventually follow in his dad's footsteps, just not this soon. So it was spurious comment and thus weakened Wall's argument.

Alberta Observer

If you read the various comments in Cyberworld, you will see the claim that the money raised from speaking engagements was used for JT's leadership bid repeated over and over by the usual Conservative apologists and trolls.

A coincidence, or part of an orchestrated smear campaign.

You decide :)

janfromthebruce

Trudeau just lied - so much for integrity and ethics

Justin Trudeau to 'make it right' with charities that paid him to fundraise
Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/justin-trudeau-to-make-it-right-with-charities-that-paid-him-to-fundraise-1.1327704#ixzz2WQ9LeqZw

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Liberal leader Justin Trudeau says he is willing to make amends with any charitable organizations that have paid him to speak and felt they did not get their money’s worth.

So Trudeau qualified his amends with the charity having to defend whether they got their money's worth and not whether he should have charged huge somes in the 2nd place in his 2nd job and in which he at times should have been in the HoC.

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Trudeau also clarified that the speaking appearances were made in his capacity as an activist, and not as a parliamentarian.

“It was always entirely separate. I never spoke as an MP, and always as an environmental educational advocate,” Trudeau said

First does anybody remember ever seeing Trudeau at a protest? I never have and usually that is where activist are well, active.

Next, I was in an audience in June 2011, in which he was asked a political question around all the newly elected Quebec NDP MPs were elected and he openly began to bash and demean Ruth Ellen 'Vegas' Brosseau after his speech on Youth and Empowerment. Trudeau sure was not talking as an activist but as a partisan Liberal MP.

Oh, his speech is all about youth getting involved in politics but I guess only as liberals.

Trudeau hopes beyond hope that nobody challenges him on his truthiness in this regard and that if anyone does, he hopes it doesn't have any legs.

To end, Trudeau MAY pay back the speakers' fees, and not he will without making them jump through hoops, and lied in how he represented himself when speaking at these "speaking engagements".

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I still want to know who the idiots are that would pay $20,000 to Justin as a speaker.  I think as an MP he should have stopped his speaking engagements immediately but before that I blame the people who hired him. If they lost money on him then obviously they should have picked a better drawing card. 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

On fire today Jan!

NorthReport

Thanks Justin. Frown

Quote:
But New Brunswick Conservative MP Rob Moore wasn’t satisfied. He noted that Trudeau ignored the Grace Foundation’s plea for reimbursement for four months “and only when embarrassed in the media has he now claimed he will ‘make it right.”‘

“Justin Trudeau’s willingness to take hundreds of thousands of dollars from charity demonstrates that Justin Trudeau’s favourite cause is … Justin Trudeau,” Moore said in a statement.

Nor was NDP ethics critic Charlie Angus satisfied.

“I think the problem here is this seems to be about political management, of getting this off the table so it’s not going to be used (by political rivals) further down the road,” Angus said in an interview.

“But he needs to answer the question of the political maturity and judgment.”

Regardless of whether it was technically within the rules, Angus said Trudeau should have considered public speaking part of his job as an elected official, not a way to supplement his $160,000 MP’s salary.

Moreover, Angus argued that Trudeau has one of the worst attendance records of all MPs and appears to have skipped important votes—including one on raising the age of eligibility for old age security to 67—while off making money as a public speaker.

 

 

 

http://globalnews.ca/news/646343/trudeau-to-compensate-charities-that-pa...

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

But NR, his last name is Trudeau! Stop being so hard on him. It isn't fair! Cry

Sean in Ottawa

Whether they get their money's worth depends on what they were paying for and on what happens in the future.

If they were investing in Trudeau as someone worth getting access to -- well he is now leader of a party with substantial public support. If he becomes PM or Minister in a coalition government -- they may feel that the investment was worth it.

Of course if we can end the practice of paying for access then that would be another matter.

Who paid Justin that much to speak? I'm guessing partisan Liberals who happen to control charities. If they screwed up I don't imagine I would feel any sympathy on these grounds.

What I find interesting is that someone would complain about this now-- if they paid him that much when he was a backbench MP why, when he is now leader, do they think the investment was a problem today? Something is odd about this story.

NorthReport

I think Justin got his hand caught in the Liberal "entitled to their entitlements" cookie jar, but when the media cameras started rolling and exposing what was he was doing and what was going on, PET's son didn't look very good to Canadian voters.

Justin Trudeau about face: Willing to 'pay all the money back'

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/352419

janfromthebruce

From NR's link:

The Liberal leader said Sunday he’ll either give back the fees or find some other way to “make it right.”

He could, for instance, give charitable groups donations equivalent to the fees charged or agree to appear at future fundraisers for them – for free this time.

“I’m willing to pay all of the money back, if that’s what it comes to,” Trudeau told CTV’s Question Period. “But I am going to fix this.”

Gee that is just so rich. Which part of altruistic did Trudeau Jr. miss in sociology 101 (intro class)? Donation means he benefits for a tax rebate. And yeah, come speak for free in which he gets to grandstand as Lib leader. This guy just can't stay classy.

Trudeau took the envelope, in fact many many envelopes. It was legal but unethical.

It's interesting but Stephen Lewis is a extremely good speaker and is paid well for his speaking engagements. He is a much better speaker than Trudeau and never would I hear that he trumpet his speech making abilities, as Trudeau did in this article.

But Lewis donates most of his money to the AIDs foundation. That's the difference. Take note, Trudeau said nothing of using his money for the wider good of society or raising money for a cause or foundation he supports. It's the difference between "me" and "we".

NorthReport

The charity which fund-raises for an 80-bed seniors residence is apparently now going broke. The optics are politically disasterous for Trudeau. That's the only reason why he is doing about face.

NorthReport
NorthReport

For a bit of entertainment check out some of the comments! Tongue out

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2013/06/14/john-ivison-justin-trudea...

janfromthebruce

Interesting tweets on this:

Moebius Stripper ‏@moebius_strip 4h

The real scandal, IMO @Social_Dem: NDP's Angus: Trudeau skipped important votes while off making money as a speaker. http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/trudeau-to-compensate-charities-that-paid-him-to-help-raise-money--211734061.html?device=mobile …

and

Socially Democratic ‏@Social_Dem 48m

@Harv_Durocher Issue is skipping work to moonlight. That he hardly needed the money just makes it more bizarre. @acoyne #cdnpoli

 

Unless of course, one believes that the circle they hang in is one of the 1 percenters.

janfromthebruce

Very few agree politicians should take speaker fees

https://www.forumresearch.com/forms/News%20Archives/News%20Releases/36679_Federal_-_Speaking_Fees_%28Forum_Research%29%2820130308%29.pdf

"Most Canadians still think he shouldn't be taking them. Canadians are aware MPs make a substantial salary, with generous benefits. They do not think they should be paid on the side for what they do naturally anyway".

How hard is that for Trudeau to figure out. Some many even view it as trying to influence without being upfront on their real intent. Canadians aren't dumb.

bekayne

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Who paid Justin that much to speak? I'm guessing partisan Liberals who happen to control charities. If they screwed up I don't imagine I would feel any sympathy on these grounds.

What I find interesting is that someone would complain about this now-- if they paid him that much when he was a backbench MP why, when he is now leader, do they think the investment was a problem today? Something is odd about this story.

http://o.canada.com/2013/06/17/justin-trudeau-will-repay-his-speakers-fee-to-n-b-charity-despite-ties-to-federal-conservatives/

NorthReport

Here we go - Trudeau will need a big chequebook. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2013/06/17/sk-speaking-...

janfromthebruce

Interesting editorial by Globe & Mail Trudeau was wrong to charge for public speaking

But if the charity was wrong to ask for its money back, Mr. Trudeau was wrong to charge the fee in the first place. Members of Parliament are public officials, paid full-time for their services by the public; to demand a stipend for talking to the public seems odd. It is true that Mr. Trudeau had a thriving public-speaking business before being elected, but the prices he was able to command appear to have risen steadily since he was elected in 2008, rising from the $5,000 to $10,000 range to $20,000 by last year.

That little tidbit on Trudeau drastic increase in fee charge happen after his election to MP position. So it tests his statement that he was acting in an activist role rather than increasing his appeal because he was elected as a MP. It's not like Trudeau was out there at protests, any protests in fact. He should have had the foresight to realize that someone was going to check in how much money he was charging to put together that he was really milking the system for all the "market" could bare. Sure not activist like at all.

It’s difficult to see his charitable work in the same way any more. Once, that work was his defence against a Conservative attack ad, drawn partly from a video excerpt from a Trudeau charitable speech. But knowing that he charged $20,000 to a literacy group in Saskatchewan, $20,000 to a mental health group in Ontario and $20,000 to a seniors’ housing group in New Brunswick, and earned $277,000 overall in public speaking (before he became party leader) suggests business, not charity. The fact that he thought permission from the federal ethics commissioner would make any of this look better suggests questionable political judgment.

So it was charity at a steep price and went into his pocket.

Mr. Trudeau has now done the right thing by agreeing to give the $20,000 back to New Brunswick’s Grace Foundation, and to return other monies, if asked, to other charities, but his hesitation in doing so showed poor judgment. It’s surprising to see a leader leave himself so open to attack.... “.

“Whatever happened to the notion of public service?” NDP MP Charlie Angus asked.

In explaining his about-face, Mr. Trudeau declared that his father “would want me in this situation to live up to Canadians’ expectations of me.” Why he didn’t understand those expectations in the first place is a little puzzling.

All I can say is that he acted like someone who was entitled to command that money, never saw a problem with it.

bekayne

http://www.simcoe.com/news-story/3843643-pm-s-office-sends-details-of-trudeau-s-talk-at-georgian/

The Prime Minister’s office sent information yesterday to The Advance regarding a money-losing speech Liberal leader Justin Trudeau made in Barrie in 2007.

On Monday, PMO communications officer Erica Meekes sent The Advance details of an engagement that netted Trudeau a $10,000 fee, but left Georgian College with a $4,118 shortfall. The information was sent via email with the caveat it be referred to as coming from a “source,” not the PMO, when used.

“As a follow-up to the growing controversy over the weekend on Justin Trudeau charging charities for his speaking services, I have enclosed further materials that demonstrate the scope of this practice, cost on the organizations, and in many cases, poor outcomes and large deficits as a result of his speaking tour,” the email stated. “As discussed, these materials are provided to you on background, and should be attributed to a ‘source.’”

 

janfromthebruce

Trudeau promise to repay speaking fees from charities doesn’t quell controversy

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair didn’t go quite so far.

But he said Trudeau should return “every penny” paid by all charitable and non-profit groups since he was elected in 2008 — not just those who ask for their money back.

That would be the classy thing to do.

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“I think it’s a mistake for a sitting member of Parliament to be accepting money from a charity to do what is essentially part of your job, which is to talk to Canadians about your priorities and how you see things unfold,” Mulcair said outside the Commons.

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Mulcair, however, said what Trudeau did before he was elected is “completely his own private business.”

And I agree, he was a private citizen compensating his million dollar trust fund.

Trudeau reiterated Monday that he intends to contact each of those groups to see if they feel they got their money’s worth.

“I will be happy to pay them back personally if they are dissatisfied,” he said.

Again that rider so it's not without strings attached which is like the "fine print" in a contract.

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Trudeau referred to himself repeatedly as a “professional fundraiser,” someone whose high profile helped draw crowds and boost ticket sales for fundraising events. And he suggested the Conservatives don’t understand fundraising techniques if they think no one should ever get paid for helping charities raise money.

Except Trudeau knows that there were many events that were not about fundraising at all. eg. school and school board speaking engagements. Too bad Trudeau is being dishonest here and hopes that nobody digs deeper and challenges his "fundraising" appeal bogus statement.

I think that the better term is "non-profit" organizations. Trudeau on the other hand was all about increasing his profit margin as the steady increase of fee for face time with Trudeau's stomp speech. 

janfromthebruce

bekayne wrote:

http://www.simcoe.com/news-story/3843643-pm-s-office-sends-details-of-trudeau-s-talk-at-georgian/

The Prime Minister’s office sent information yesterday to The Advance regarding a money-losing speech Liberal leader Justin Trudeau made in Barrie in 2007.

On Monday, PMO communications officer Erica Meekes sent The Advance details of an engagement that netted Trudeau a $10,000 fee, but left Georgian College with a $4,118 shortfall. The information was sent via email with the caveat it be referred to as coming from a “source,” not the PMO, when used.

“As a follow-up to the growing controversy over the weekend on Justin Trudeau charging charities for his speaking services, I have enclosed further materials that demonstrate the scope of this practice, cost on the organizations, and in many cases, poor outcomes and large deficits as a result of his speaking tour,” the email stated. “As discussed, these materials are provided to you on background, and should be attributed to a ‘source.’”

 

I think in this regard, that Trudeau as a private citizen could do what he pleased because he was not elected as a public servant. So the Cons are being silly and thus weakening their argument.

Pondering

janfromthebruce wrote:

Gee that is just so rich. Which part of altruistic did Trudeau Jr. miss in sociology 101 (intro class)? Donation means he benefits for a tax rebate. And yeah, come speak for free in which he gets to grandstand as Lib leader. This guy just can't stay classy.

Trudeau took the envelope, in fact many many envelopes. It was legal but unethical.

Trudeau paid income taxes on that money so if he returns it in any form he should get back what he paid in taxes on it.

If public speaking is a usual MP function then I want a list of the charity fund-raisers other MPs are doing.

Not only did Trudeau check with the ethics commissioner he also made all his income and details public.

My bet is most charities will choose to have him speak again rather than take their money back because having him speak is more valuable.

 

Pondering

janfromthebruce wrote:

Gee that is just so rich. Which part of altruistic did Trudeau Jr. miss in sociology 101 (intro class)? Donation means he benefits for a tax rebate. And yeah, come speak for free in which he gets to grandstand as Lib leader. This guy just can't stay classy.

Trudeau took the envelope, in fact many many envelopes. It was legal but unethical.

Trudeau paid income taxes on that money so if he returns it in any form he should get back what he paid in taxes on it.

If public speaking is a usual MP function then I want a list of the charity fund-raisers other MPs are doing.

Not only did Trudeau check with the ethics commissioner he also made all his income and details public.

My bet is most charities will choose to have him speak again rather than take their money back because having him speak is more valuable.

 

NorthReport

Just flippin' lovely!

Looks like you are probably wrong and that is seriously and quickly starting to unravel for the one percenter Trudeau, who is just another Liberal in a long line of Liberals who feel they are "entitled to their entitlements". Liberls, Conservatives - they are just pigs at the trough.

Ontario union may ask Trudeau for speech refund

One of the groups that paid the MP to speak was Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 2512, representing support staff at the Waterloo Catholic District School Board. The union brought in Mr. Trudeau as part of professional development training for support staff on Nov. 6, 2009, in Kitchener, Ont.

Mr. Trudeau was paid $15,750, plus $820 for airfare and $236 for a “limo” rental, union local president Betty-Lou Warmington said. The money was directly from Ontario taxpayers, paid from a Provincial Discussion Table grant for professional development, she said. Ms. Warmington, who was not head of the union local at the time of the speech said she plans on raising the issue at a Tuesday executive meeting and will push her executive team to ask for a refund.

 

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-union-may-ask-trude...

 

 

 

Pondering wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Gee that is just so rich. Which part of altruistic did Trudeau Jr. miss in sociology 101 (intro class)? Donation means he benefits for a tax rebate. And yeah, come speak for free in which he gets to grandstand as Lib leader. This guy just can't stay classy.

Trudeau took the envelope, in fact many many envelopes. It was legal but unethical.

Trudeau paid income taxes on that money so if he returns it in any form he should get back what he paid in taxes on it.

If public speaking is a usual MP function then I want a list of the charity fund-raisers other MPs are doing.

Not only did Trudeau check with the ethics commissioner he also made all his income and details public.

My bet is most charities will choose to have him speak again rather than take their money back because having him speak is more valuable.

 

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Just flippin' lovely!

Looks like you are probably wrong and that is seriously and quickly starting to unravel for the one percenter Trudeau, who is just another Liberal in a long line of Liberals who feel they are "entitled to their entitlements". Liberls, Conservatives - they are just pigs at the trough.

Ontario union may ask Trudeau for speech refund

One of the groups that paid the MP to speak was Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 2512, representing support staff at the Waterloo Catholic District School Board. The union brought in Mr. Trudeau as part of professional development training for support staff on Nov. 6, 2009, in Kitchener, Ont.

Mr. Trudeau was paid $15,750, plus $820 for airfare and $236 for a “limo” rental, union local president Betty-Lou Warmington said. The money was directly from Ontario taxpayers, paid from a Provincial Discussion Table grant for professional development, she said. Ms. Warmington, who was not head of the union local at the time of the speech said she plans on raising the issue at a Tuesday executive meeting and will push her executive team to ask for a refund.

 

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ontario-union-may-ask-trude...

 

 

Pondering wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Gee that is just so rich. Which part of altruistic did Trudeau Jr. miss in sociology 101 (intro class)? Donation means he benefits for a tax rebate. And yeah, come speak for free in which he gets to grandstand as Lib leader. This guy just can't stay classy.

Trudeau took the envelope, in fact many many envelopes. It was legal but unethical.

Trudeau paid income taxes on that money so if he returns it in any form he should get back what he paid in taxes on it.

If public speaking is a usual MP function then I want a list of the charity fund-raisers other MPs are doing.

Not only did Trudeau check with the ethics commissioner he also made all his income and details public.

My bet is most charities will choose to have him speak again rather than take their money back because having him speak is more valuable.

 

I don't think I'm wrong. Obviously this time it wasn't for a fund raising. Trudeau was contracted through speaker's corner and accepted the job that was offered to him.

What's the Union's excuse for using union dues to hire Trudeau?

Oh wait, I forgot, union's are never wrong.

Malcontent

Trudeau comes across as a spoiled entitled young punk to me and has shown the Libs have not changed.

janfromthebruce

Socially Democratic ‏@Social_Dem 1h

Inherited $1.2M, got $450k/yr b4 politics, given $160k/yr as MP then skipped work to take extra $20k/night. #somethingwrong #greed #cdnpoli

Not all speaking engagements were for charities but for non-profit entities. I doubt anybody will be asking Trudeau to come back and do a second gig for free [Trudeau looking to start his early campaign bid & nobody is that stupid to bite on that one].

Will Trudeau be coming as an MP or cough, activist role? I wonder if the ethics commissioner would still think it was activist if it was foundout that question and answer sessions veered into partisan politics in which Trudeau the activist bashed a newly elected female single mom Quebec MP? Now how does that fit with youth empowerment today - leaders of today.

Basically same stomp speech I saw in Ontario.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IrfFLtrQco

Justin Trudeau speaks in Saskatoon

Watch and Trudeau talks as an activist, and all good.

where new thinking,
challenge the status quo, ... bold of the future, empower them not leaders of tomorrow but leaders of today, everything they can bring, conditions we put on them, most important, not just few successful, but everyone. way we empower young people, make sense of their place in the world, ....

And I will remind folks, when I saw him speak in 2011 June, in question in answer after his stomp youth and empowerment speech, when asked a question about his thoughts on all the young MPs elected in Quebec as NDP, he perceded to bash them and particularly Ruth Ellen Brouseau.

So let's be clear that was his partisan Liberal MP voice speaking and completely contradicted his stomp about "leaders today" and "everyone". He suggested in his partisan reply that yeah, he has conditions (liberal) that constituent who is a legitimate elected representative and who is not.

Sean in Ottawa

It is not like he needs the money to continue his "work"

There are some speakers who charge money because that funds their activism. Not in this case.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

There are way more speakers who just trade on their "fame" to make money.  I don't remember him stating anywhere that speaking was anything more than a job.  There are musicians that sometimes play for charities for free. I respect them for it but I don't think bands that want to get paid are somehow worthy of my disdain.

Sean in Ottawa

Actually you are hitting a nerve now. There are many in the arts who work for a living.There are many others who diminish it as a profession by working for free or expecting others to do so.

Playing for free at a charity is a donation-- doing it once in a while to help a cause you believe in is fair and good-- I think there is a fine line to overdoing it so that you damage the arts professions.

That said, there is something about asking a few hundered dollars for speaking covering costs and time and preparation adn cashing in at $20k a pop.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Well, Arthur, I may not have ever actually posted it, but I say "rah, rah unions". My study of history convinces me that of all the factors that have contributed to the amazingly good life that you and I, and millions of other Canadians enjoy, unions are by far the most significant. Of course, some union officials become corrupt from time to time. That is unavoidable when large numbers of people are involved. However, compared to capitalists, or politicians, union officials are amazingly virtuous. And the reason is that unions are the most democratic institutions in our society. In many cases, the local presidents are actual co-workers of those they represent. So, yes, I say "rah, rah unions".

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Pondering, I have trouble with Unions paying Liberals to come in and speak on anything given that the LPC as a whole implements policies that are very bad for working people and the poor and underprivileged. I feel the same about Buzz Hargrove endorsing the LPC as well by the way. He's selling out the interests of working people and by extension those who are least able to defend themselves. I promise you no one here goes rah, rah unions all the time. But I will tell you one thing, I feel very comfortable condeming them for "fratenizing", with the enemy. Yep, that's partisan but unlike the unions, I have NO ILLUSION AT ALL about who the real enemy is. And, I'm not about to apologize for saying it, either.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

MM:

I am not anti union in anyway, but I don't truck with them "fratenizing with the enemy". Sorry, if they think that sucking up to the Libs is going to help them in any way in the long run, they're dellusional.

Sean in Ottawa

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Well, Arthur, I may not have ever actually posted it, but I say "rah, rah unions". My study of history convinces me that of all the factors that have contributed to the amazingly good life that you and I, and millions of other Canadians enjoy, unions are by far the most significant. Of course, some union officials become corrupt from time to time. That is unavoidable when large numbers of people are involved. However, compared to capitalists, or politicians, union officials are amazingly virtuous. And the reason is that unions are the most democratic institutions in our society. In many cases, the local presidents are actual co-workers of those they represent. So, yes, I say "rah, rah unions".

I don't think that was what Arthur meant but I total share you view about unions.

If you think things are sliding now -- if we lose the unions we have now things will go badly much faster. Their role is central to most of the economic discussions we are haivng-- pensions, wages, safety, services, working ocnditions, legal rights, democratic rights.

I could not be more pro-union.

Yes they make mistakes at times and yes, sometiems they need leadership changes but they do so much essential work.

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