Justin Trudeau's Family Home Broken Into While Wife And Children Slept

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thorin_bane wrote:

Sadly I have come to understand why some dipper hate liberals more than cons.

This is what turns me off about the NDP

pookie

thorin_bane wrote:

No but he only shows up when its conveniant, and always to post either about the NDP being beaten up in the media or some puff piece for the liberals. Still a troll. Where is his opinion when its just a general discussion say on euthanasia. Unless its a liberal leader realted article, Debater is not to be seen. And so called recent elections would likely be longer than he has been here, when he repeatedly said he wasn't a liberal. Joined 2009, so probably a liberal at that point is pretty safe to assume. Also if you are working on their campaigns that seems pretty suspect.

I'm not a troll because I don't go to liberal.ca and say wow seen how bad you guys did in the last election. Falling to thrid place you should just pack your tent up. Which you do here. There are reasons why the people who were once regulars here have left for greener pastures. I check in but I don't post daily like I once did.

 

Sadly I have come to understand why some dipper hate liberals more than cons.

So babble is the equivalent of liberal.ca, except it is for the NDP??

Okey-dokey.

lagatta

I don't hate the Liberals more than the Cons. I don't even know if "hate" is the proper verb, except in the general sense of class hate. They are both representatives of the enemy class.

The Cons have harmed me greatly, but I also remember horrible things the Liberals did to workers (employed and unemployed). I still remember "mange de la marde".

Jacob Two-Two

The Liberals have done more damage to the country. It's only appropriate that the resentment people feel towards them be proportionate.

Debater

The NDP has never been in power federally, so it's easy to make those sort of arguments.

The thing is though, not even the mainstream NDP takes the far left NDPers seriously - that's why the NDP has tried to become Liberal lite over the past several years.  They know that they have to become 'mainstream' or 'centrist' in order to have a chance of forming government.

Sean in Ottawa

Don't speak for the entire party Debater. Actually don't speak for any of the party. Thanks.

Debater

I'm not speaking for the party, but I'm pointing out what is certainly the view of many of those running the NDP, and probably of Mulcair himself.

The party has moved away from ideology, and towards practical realism.  This is something that Jack Layton, Brad Lavigne, Brian Topp & Ann McGrath began several years back.  It's documented in Susan Delacourt's Shopping for Votes, amongst other places.

addictedtomyipod

Debater wrote:

I'm not speaking for the party, but I'm pointing out what is certainly the view of many of those running the NDP, and probably of Mulcair himself.

The party has moved away from ideology, and towards practical realism.  This is something that Jack Layton, Brad Lavigne, Brian Topp & Ann McGrath began several years back.  It's documented in Susan Delacourt's Shopping for Votes, amongst other places.

 OMG, pratical realism.  Is that the same as deciding whether to have Justin compete in Dancing With the Stars or not?

Unionist

This is my favourite thread now. When we're done with the NDP, can we move on to the Greens? I still don't know which of them organized the break-in.

Geoff

I move that the NDP reject "practical realism" in exchange for "magical realism", which is a common theme in Latin American literature.  Let's have some culture, if nothing else.Wink

PrairieDemocrat15

Debater wrote:

I never claimed to be 'non-partisan'.  I said I was a Liberal-NDPer, which I was in those days.  I have worked for the NDP in the past.  But in recent elections I have only worked for the Liberals.  And being supportive of the Liberals and posting good news about them does not make me a troll.  Why is it okay to cheerlead for the NDP here, but doing so for the Liberals is considered wrong.  And don't call me a troll - I don't do that to you.  

Debater, there is no "NDP partisan" on this forum who comes close to your level of political cheerleading, esentially posting Liberal press releases. In fact, I'd say at least a plurality of posters on Babble are critical of the NDP from left-wing perspective, or, for similar reasons, have become disillusioned with the party or given up on it altogether.

Unionist

Geoff wrote:

I move that the NDP reject "practical realism" in exchange for "magical realism", which is a common theme in Latin American literature.  Let's have some culture, if nothing else.Wink

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cco

We'll call the platform One Hundred Years of Opposition.

trotwood73

Hmmmmm.... looking at some of the posts here, I wonder if I am posting this in the wrong place.

UPDATED
Justin Trudeau home break-in: Suspect entered wrong home
'Satisfactory amount of evidence shows the person entered the wrong home in error,' police say

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/justin-trudeau-home-break-in-suspec...

Unionist

So what are you saying? It wasn't Harper, Mulcair, or May who organized this false flag operation? It was an innocent if inebriated 19-year-old? Is this connected somehow with Trudeau wanting to peddle mood-altering substances to youth???

Unionist

cco wrote:
We'll call the platform One Hundred Years of Opposition.

*** Gracias!! ***

trotwood73

Unionist wrote:

So what are you saying? It wasn't Harper, Mulcair, or May who organized this false flag operation? It was an innocent if inebriated 19-year-old? Is this connected somehow with Trudeau wanting to peddle mood-altering substances to youth???

I am just saying that this post was about the break-in at the Trudeaus and the "threat" they perceived. After almost 3 pages of partisan attacks (by both sides), it turns out is was a really drunk teenager who entered the wrong house.

And for crying out loud, the door was unlocked, and this despite the following fact: "In the past month, five break-ins have been reported in the Rockcliffe Park neighbourhood where Trudeau lives."

Unionist

Sorry for fooling around, trotwood - and thanks for posting this story! I was just astonished (not really) at how this thread had descended into the usual World Cup rah-rah-rah bullshit of "my party can beat the crap out of your party any day of the week".

Now let's get serious and examine the role of the police and the media in this Gilbert and Sullivan farce:

1. Why did the media use the term "VANDALS"???

2. Why and by whom was the nonsense spread about a "THREATENING NOTE"??

3. Why was it reported that his home had been "BROKEN INTO"??

4. Why was his family "SHAKEN"? Obviously the "BREAK-IN" didn't even wake them up. Musta been the "THREATENING NOTE".

5. Is it too early for some enterprising young genius to create a hilarious one-minute animated YouTube satire about this non-story?

 

 

trotwood73

Unionist wrote:

Now let's get serious and examine the role of the police and the media in this Gilbert and Sullivan farce:

[...]

 

For once, I don't think it is fair to blame the police or the media for this blowing up to the proportions it reached.

Quote:
Justin Trudeau asks RCMP for risk assessment following break-in
'We're extremely troubled by this,' Liberal leader says about weekend break-in at his Ottawa home

">http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-asks-rcmp-for-risk-assess...

Pondering

Unionist wrote:

Sorry for fooling around, trotwood - and thanks for posting this story! I was just astonished (not really) at how this thread had descended into the usual World Cup rah-rah-rah bullshit of "my party can beat the crap out of your party any day of the week".

Now let's get serious and examine the role of the police and the media in this Gilbert and Sullivan farce:

1. Why did the media use the term "VANDALS"???

2. Why and by whom was the nonsense spread about a "THREATENING NOTE"??

3. Why was it reported that his home had been "BROKEN INTO"??

4. Why was his family "SHAKEN"? Obviously the "BREAK-IN" didn't even wake them up. Musta been the "THREATENING NOTE".

5. Is it too early for some enterprising young genius to create a hilarious one-minute animated YouTube satire about this non-story?

Had I found a note like that alongside butcher knives I would have been terrified too. That it turned out to be  harmless is wonderful but the story is still quite strange. He considered stealing knives? Nothing more valuable lying around? How many drunken young men in the wrong house find a pencil to leave a note?

Given the fact that he is running for the office of PM it is not at all odd that his family would be frightened.

Unionist

So Pondering, you're not even curious why the media (or police or Trudeau's handlers) said "Vandals", "Threatening Note", "Break-In" - all of which turned out to be FALSE??

You've explained why his family would be frightened. How about the rest?

The mainstream media are a dangerous source of misinformation. We need more and better sources.

 

Pondering

Unionist wrote:
So Pondering, you're not even curious why the media (or police or Trudeau's handlers) said "Vandals", "Threatening Note", "Break-In" - all of which turned out to be FALSE??

You've explained why his family would be frightened. How about the rest?

The mainstream media are a dangerous source of misinformation. We need more and better sources.

No not at all. The first reports said the note was a warning to lock their doors. After a day or two it leaked out that butcher knives were left on the floor and on the note. All of that was true.

You must live a very sheltered life not to realize that the media would sensationalize that information when it is connected to the leader of a major political party.

In fact you don't even have to be a leader. You may want to google the name "Patrick Brazeau" to see how the media treats stories differently depending on the individual. His domestic abuse case got far more print then a run of the mill domestic violence case. Getting shoved down the stairs doesn't even make the news if no one famous is involved.

Instead of trying to tar Trudeau handlers with tabloid style attacks of your own why not find a party you can support. Practicing smear politics is weak and proof that you have nothing of consequence to offer.

 

terrytowel

Justin and his wife should have the opportunity to make a victim impact statement against the intruder.

onlinediscountanvils

terrytowel wrote:
Justin and his wife should have the opportunity to make a victim impact statement against the intruder.

Why?

Trudeau's family has been notified and are satisfied with the results of the investigation.

terrytowel

you don't beleive in the concept of victim impact statements?

Unionist

terrytowel wrote:

Justin and his wife should have the opportunity to make a victim impact statement against the intruder.

I'm more worried about the 19-year-old's victimization by the media.

Pondering wrote:

... a run of the mill domestic violence case ...

Do you listen to yourself - mentioning spousal assault in the same breath as an intoxicated youth walking in the wrong unlocked door by mistake?

Pondering wrote:
You must live a very sheltered life not to realize that the media would sensationalize that information when it is connected to the leader of a major political party.

I realize it very well. I'm the one raising the criminality of the media. You're the one justifying and rationalizing it.

You don't get it, do you? WHO made all this public in the first place?? If you don't know or care, that's your inalienable democratic right. I have an extremely good idea of who initiated this sensation.

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

terrytowel wrote:

Justin and his wife should have the opportunity to make a victim impact statement against the intruder.

tt, this is a very foolish comment, even for you. Victim impact statements are a right-wing inspired concept in criminal trial procedure. The idea is that after someone has been convicted of a crime which has a clear victim, as part of the sentencing procedure, the victim is allowed to make a statement to the court about how the crime has impacted his/her life. Of course, even before these things were legally mandated, crown prosecutors would routinely include the impact on the victim in their sentencing argument.

In this case, the police have decided that there has been no crime committed. Therefore, it is an absurdity to suggest that there should be a victim impact statement, as anyone with any sense at all would realize.

terrytowel

Unionist Justin and his family were the ones that were terrorzied. Why shouldn't they make a victim impact statement.

Unionist

terrytowel wrote:

Unionist Justin and his family were the ones that were terrorzied. Why shouldn't they make a victim impact statement.

What Michael Moriarty said. Are you actually paving the way for Trudeau to adopt Harper's tough-on-crime agenda with no amendments?

terrytowel

Unionist wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

Unionist Justin and his family were the ones that were terrorzied. Why shouldn't they make a victim impact statement.

What Michael Moriarty said. Are you actually paving the way for Trudeau to adopt Harper's tough-on-crime agenda with no amendments?

No wonder the Cons have been able to use this (victim bill of rights) as a wedge issue against the NDP.

Unionist

terrytowel wrote:

Unionist wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

Unionist Justin and his family were the ones that were terrorzied. Why shouldn't they make a victim impact statement.

What Michael Moriarty said. Are you actually paving the way for Trudeau to adopt Harper's tough-on-crime agenda with no amendments?

No wonder the Cons have been able to use this (victim bill of rights) as a wedge issue against the NDP.

LOL, I'll take that as a "yes".

 

terrytowel

You wouldn't want to confront the person who terrorized you and your family?

Unionist

terrytowel wrote:

You wouldn't want to confront the person who terrorized you and your family?

You like the word "terrorized", don't you? You actually think I will grace your pathetic question with an answer?

 

Debater

The bottom line here is that someone did enter the Trudeau home - and that is considered a break-in under the law.  And the person left knives out and a threatening note.  That is something that anyone would be alarmed on finding when they get up in the morning, particularly a woman alone in a house with 3 little kids.

And just because it wasn't a more violent incident doesn't mean that Trudeau and our other leaders don't always face potential threats.  Remember that someone tried to shoot Pauline Marois the night she became PQ leader a few years ago, and succeeded in shooting 1 or 2 other people.

terrytowel

Unionist wrote:

You like the word "terrorized", don't you? You actually think I will grace your pathetic question with an answer?

Someone takes all the knives and stacks them on the floor with a note saying to keep your doors locked.

What would you call that?

It is shocking how some of the posters here are minimizing this incident like it was a crank call.

onlinediscountanvils

I think the knives should also have the opportunity to make victim impact statements. Imagine the terror of an unkown intruder removing you from your resting place in the middle of the night, and leaving you laying helpless on the floor.

Won't someone think of the knives?

onlinediscountanvils

terrytowel wrote:
It is shocking how some of the posters here are minimizing this incident like it was a crank call.

No, it was a wrong address.

Debater

There's no need for a victim impact statement, I agree.  And those are only made after a court case in which someone has been convicted.

But obviously the press will ask Justin Trudeau about it again in upcoming interviews and he will give a brief comment.

As I said above, just because this didn't turn into a violent incident, doesn't mean it couldn't have.  The Pauline Marois incident is a reminder that although Canada is usually non-violent compared to the US where its leaders are concerned, there are always dangers and they should not be made fun of.

onlinediscountanvils

Debater wrote:
And just because it wasn't a more violent incident

FTFY

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

If it was Harper's home,they'd test the kid for THC and sentence him to a mandatory minimum.

Unionist

onlinediscountanvils wrote:

Won't someone think of the knives?

Surely you jest. What about the floor?? Have you seen what a dropped knife can do to a floor which is just minding its own business??

What is really need here is a Royal Commission, to determine why the police didn't lay charges under the Terrorization Act.

Worst of all are those who suggest all this could have been avoided if the door had been locked. Blaming the freakin' door is really about as low as you can go.

The way I see it, the door and the floor are the real victims here. I want to hear about the impact of the knives on the floor, and the impact of the drunken hand on the door's knob.

Does no one care any more??

 

 

terrytowel

onlinediscountanvils wrote:

I think the knives should also have the opportunity to make victim impact statements. Imagine the terror of an unkown intruder removing you from your resting place in the middle of the night, and leaving you laying helpless on the floor.

Won't someone think of the knives?

That is not even remotely funny considering 17% of violent crimes involved other weapons, such as a knife or blunt instrument.

Unionist

terrytowel wrote:

onlinediscountanvils wrote:

I think the knives should also have the opportunity to make victim impact statements. Imagine the terror of an unkown intruder removing you from your resting place in the middle of the night, and leaving you laying helpless on the floor.

Won't someone think of the knives?

That is not even remotely funny considering 17% of violent crimes involved other weapons, such as a knife or blunt instrument.

That's a very good point. Were the Trudeau knives properly secured? Were they registered? Were they sharp?

So many questions. Only a Royal Commission can get to the bottom of this.

Mind you, we're pretty close to the bottom right now.

Seriously, terrytowel - who do you think made this incident public?? I'm curious.

 

Debater

onlinediscountanvils wrote:

Debater wrote:
And just because it wasn't a more violent incident

FTFY

Breaking into a house and leaving out knives and a note for a woman alone & with little kids to find is still something that many people find to be a violent intrusion into a person's home, even if it was apparently done 'accidentally' by a drunken man with no physical harm to anyone resulting.

I see comments from a lot of Canadians on Twitter, particularly women, who do not find it funny and still find it troubling.

Debater

1. Terry Towel, I think asking for a 'victim impact statement' is what set Unionist off.  It was an over-the-top request on your part.  People don't give victim impact statements unless there has been a conviction of a criminal in a court case.

2.  Unionist, you too, are overplaying your hand.  We get it.  It's not funny when you repeat the same joke and go into this level of overkill.

Anyway, as I said above, it is a reminder of how our leaders are still potentially vulnerable, and remember that both Jéan Chrétien at Sussex Drive, and Pauline Marois at PQ Headquarters, faced violent threats from those who DID have murderous intentions, so let's keep that in mind down the road.

Unionist

Debater:

Who broke this story - and why?

I've been checking the media reports and can't figure it out.

 

Debater

I don't know exactly.  It's difficult to pin point which media source first reports something in today's day & age because information is so instant.  It's not like the old days where it was easier to verify which newspaper or t.v. station got a story first.

I suppose that once Sophie Grégoire discovered the break-in (which it was, accidental or not) and reported it to the Ottawa Police.  The neighbours in Rockcliffe Park would have heard, as would some in the Ottawa press, who are only minutes away, and it ended up on the t.v. news & on Twitter that afternoon.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

To me, the most instructive fact to come out today is that none of this would have happened if Ms. Grégoire had followed the elementary precaution of locking her door. I also think it was quite negligent on Mr. Trudeau's part not to have installed a proper intrusion alarm system in his house, given how famous he is.

Pondering

Unionist wrote:

Pondering wrote:

... a run of the mill domestic violence case ...

Do you listen to yourself - mentioning spousal assault in the same breath as an intoxicated youth walking in the wrong unlocked door by mistake?

Pondering wrote:
You must live a very sheltered life not to realize that the media would sensationalize that information when it is connected to the leader of a major political party.

I realize it very well. I'm the one raising the criminality of the media. You're the one justifying and rationalizing it.

You don't get it, do you? WHO made all this public in the first place?? If you don't know or care, that's your inalienable democratic right. I have an extremely good idea of who initiated this sensation.

I raised it as a case of media sensationalization of incidents that would otherwise not get the same attention. You were not raising the criminality of the media you were/are insinuating that the Trudeau family or Liberals deliberately sensationized what happened for political gain and that the media is somehow criminally complicit.

Then you use intellectual dishonesty to suggest I was comparing the two events as opposed to the way in which the media sensationalizes cases when well-known figures are involved. 

There is nothing at all suspicious or odd about the way the media picked up on and treated this event. No conspiracy theories or plots required.

 

Sean in Ottawa

I doubt Trudeau or his family are behind the story being public.

I am sure they were traumatized but they now understand what happened and are satisfied.

I don't think there is any reason for a victim impact statement as it is clear knowing who lived in the house what the impact would have been.

Victim impact statements are a useful tool in a small number of cases where there is some unknown aspect of the effect on the victim that the court and offender need to know. For example in a fraud case with a person who lost money who was then forced to give up a medical prescription. This is particularly of interest if the percon that did the crime was aware of the circumstance. Most of the time the victim impact statements do not disclose new information and are used only to prejudice the sentencing through sensationalizing the event. The purpose is to increase the revenge component of the trial. On the other hand they have been used in sexual assault cases to face the court with the seriousness of a crime that often is taken less seriously than a person possessing drugs.

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