Labrador By-Election

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Stockholm

There is rampant speculation that Harper will call the Labrador byelection within  the next few days - so the NDP is smart to pick a candidate as quickly as possible. I don't see why its an issue that one of the NDP contenders is a Labrador City city councillor...city councillors in small towns like that do it as a part time job and usually only get a small honorarium.

But look who's talking, Yvonne Jones first said she was too sick to continue as NL Liberal leader and left them in the lurch in August 2011, then she decided she was NOT too sick to seek re-election to the NL Legislature in October 2011, now she's decided that sitting in the leg. in St. John's isn't good enough for her and she wants to to drop everything and run to be an MP, causing a needless, expensive provincial byelection whether she wins or loses. can't she make up her mind? does she want to be NL Liberal leader or a NL MHA or a federal MP, or maybe she should just run to be mayor of one of the fishing villages in her riding?

PS: seems that Mike Goosney can sing too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUXaK874yIU

 

Ippurigakko

I like Harry Borlase better.... I read his info on university website, he very interesting guy....

"Harry received a Northern Resident Award, which will fund his thesis study entitled: The Nunatsiavut land claim agreement: towards a culturally sustainable future for the Inuit of Labrador. He explains, “The Inuit of Labrador are entering a period of major political, economic, and social change. This project will look at the principles and stipulations that make up the treaty’s body, and show how its foundations provide for the cultural security of the Inuit people. More specifically, I want to show the evolution of modern Inuit treaties in Canada by emphasizing how Nunatsiavut differs from earlier treaties (like Nunavut).”

 

he work Northern Anaylst on LookNorth...

I hope they pick him NDP Nomination!

Stockholm

They both sound like good candidates in very different ways...Goosney has the added value of already being an elected official and he is a pipefitter and a member of the steelworkers union...seems like more of a blue collar, working class guy and its always god for a party like the NDP to get more MPs who have real "salt of the earth" backgrounds...its an embarrassment of riches!!

nicky

Surely you understand Stockholm that Debater wd not approve of any NDP candidate unless he were a substitute drama teacher who was born on third base and  thinks he hit a triple. 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

nicky wrote:

Surely you understand Stockholm that Debater wd not approve of any NDP candidate unless he were a substitute drama teacher who was born on third base and  thinks he hit a triple. 

Touche!

Debater

Stockholm, Yvonne Jones stepped down as Liberal leader because she had to undergo treatment for breast cancer at the time.  I don't think it's something you want to attack her for.  She has held her seat since 1996.

Anyway, at this point it does not look like the NDP has a high-profile name to go up against Penashue.  I think it requires at least someone who is an MHA to have enough recognition to take on Penashue.

Stockholm

No one is attacking Yvonne Jones...in fact, i wonder why she doesn't want to take back her old job as NL Liberal leader...she only stepped down for health reasons, the job is still vacant and she is now apparently healthy enough to want to grueling job of being MP for Labrador.

Sean in Ottawa

Harper Canada is no more offensive than Harper government.

It is Canada and I am not so sure this is a real government.

Both are disgusting just debatable which is worse ;-)

Debater

nicky wrote:

Surely you understand Stockholm that Debater wd not approve of any NDP candidate unless he were a substitute drama teacher who was born on third base and  thinks he hit a triple. 

Nicky, there's no need to make a swipe at Justin Trudeau.  I politely asked a question about one candidate's short time in his position - I didn't make it personal.

Btw, Justin Trudeau has been an MP for 5 years - he's done more than just be a teacher.  There's nothing wrong with being a teacher though - we can't all be lawyers.  Paul Dewar was a high school teacher before he became MP.

Jack Layton didn't even have any experience in the Federal Parliament when he became NDP leader.  People come from different backgrounds.

nicky

Debater, you make the odd good point here on Babble and I have even agreed with some of them.

But you so often couch your posts in snide, carping, puerile gloats. That's why no one here has much respect for your opinions, even when they are of some value.

I think it is best to just ignore you. I am sorry I rose to the bait.

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nicky wrote:

Debater, you make the odd good point here on Babble and I have even agreed with some of them.

But you so often couch your posts in snide, carping, puerile gloats. That's why no one here has much respect for your opinions, even when they are of some value.

I think it is best to just ignore you. I am sorry I rose to the bait.

BINGO!

socialdemocrati...

*substitute drama teacher. For two years.

I'd like to see more teachers in politics. Real ones though.

Stockholm

Harry Borlase already has a website for his nomination campaign. He sounds very impressive!

http://harryborlase.wordpress.com/

"I stand for Labrador, Canada’s best-kept secret. Its beauty is unmatched across Canada, its people are rich in history and culture, and its resources full of economic opportunity. In order to realize its potential in a way that finds balance between economic prosperity and enhances Labrador’s unique social and environmental fabric, the region needs a federal leader that can bring these issues to Ottawa, who has an impartial voice, and who can put Labradorians’ interests first. I will stand for those issues.

I stand for the North, and my entire schooling and working life has been dedicated to northern issues. I have seen first-hand how thoughtful governments can deliver an enormously positive social and economic impact for northern residents. I’ve seen how effective advocacy can yield significant empowerment for young people in northern communities. And I’ve seen how responsible management of natural resource development can fuel a diversified, healthy economy for all northerners. I stand for strong and accessible leadership on northern issues, because it’s time for Labrador to finally see more than just the spin-off benefits of its rich potential.

I stand for healthy and strong northern communities, where issues of housing, education, employment and food security are addressed in a effective way. I stand for putting local residents’ concerns and demands first when it comes to proposed natural resource projects. I stand for investing in economic diversification, to grow Labrador’s small business sector in the areas of tourism. I stand for responsible environmental stewardship. I stand for listening to and supporting local leadership and Aboriginal governments. And I stand for a region that has an enhanced search and rescue capability to meet the needs of its communities.

Finally, I stand for a new kind of politics for Labrador. I stand for a politics that cares about helping people, about making a positive impact, and about creating a better future for our children. I stand for a politics that is accessible, that is accountable, and that you can trust. I stand for the New Democratic Party, the party that stands for a new path and a new prosperity for Labrador."

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Nope, Justin was born on third base, thought he hit a triple, and wants to hit a home run without even stepping up to the plate!

nicky

A tweet from Ryan Cleary:

RT @ClearyNDP: Penashue's time in Ottawa wasn't all bad - he's created new jobs (for Elections Canada investigators) ...http://t.co/eqH ... 7 hours ago

David Young

nicky wrote:

Debater, you make the odd good point here on Babble and I have even agreed with some of them.

But you so often couch your posts in snide, carping, puerile gloats. That's why no one here has much respect for your opinions, even when they are of some value.

I think it is best to just ignore you. I am sorry I rose to the bait.

Exactly, nicky!

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Maybe he is merely responding in kind. Hard to say who threw thew first punch in Debaters ongoing skirmishes with the NDP partisans on this board.  None of you treat him with respect and many of your posts ar snide and carping. Then you have the audacity to whine about the one Liberal that is willing to take the abuse you hand out. 

In other arenas what you do daily is called piling on. You guys do high fives all around for the snidest and nastiest put downs proffered by your fellow Dippers. 

jerrym

Debater wrote:

Jack Layton didn't even have any experience in the Federal Parliament when he became NDP leader.  People come from different backgrounds.

And look at what his not having any experience did to the Liberals. It could happen again in Labrador!

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

 How dare a Liberal come on this board and stand up for himself!  Sealed

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Boom Boom wrote:

 How dare a Liberal come on this board and stand up for himself!  Sealed

K and BB, trying listening for once. I will speak for myself, I don't have any issue with Debater or anyone else pushing back. But there is a way to do that is not snide, condescending, or insulting. That is what the issue is, and that is why people react as they do. In my case, even after explaining myself, Debater still does it. If you think its easy to sit there and take it, especially after taking it for much better people then Debater, you are crazy.

Sorry you two, that is what the problem is. And I say it again Debater, the point has been made. Why don't you try and listen this time? Otherwise, change your handle to Gloater, it would fit better.

If someone doesn't like this post, tough.

Stockholm

Harry Borlase: UArctic’s All-Around Student Thu, May 21, 2009 harry bIf UArctic had a prom Harry Borlase would be elected Prom King. 27 year-old Borlase has taken part in the Bachelor of Circumpolar Studies (BCS), GoNorth, The Arctic Studies Program (University of Lapland), UArctic’s Intern program, and the Masters of Polar Law (University of Akureyri).

Borlase is also constantly involved in northern activities and events, such as the Jokkmokk Winter Conference. “I like volunteering my time with different organizations because I feel more a part of the Arctic community and more in touch with other students. I always say that the world is small but the Arctic is even smaller,” he said.

Raised in Labrador Canada, he can’t seem to get enough of the north: “I think the North is one of those places you can’t get out of your bones. There’s something about this part of the world that connects people with people and with the environment.”

His association with UArctic as both a student and an employee has given him a unique perspective on the organization.

“UArctic has a huge commitment to students inside and outside the north. I think young northerners in particular want to experience other parts of the north in order to compare and understand their own region better. Also, the opportunity to be educated in the north, and take courses, exchanges or field schools in other regions is exactly what is desirable for young researchers. UArctic understands this,” said Borlase.

It seems he also can’t get enough of UArctic, as Borlase will be returning to the UArctic International Secretariat, to work for the summer of 2009.
 harry 1

jerrym

Harry Borlase

Harry Borlase's ExperienceNorthern AnalystLOOKNorth Centre of Excellence

Nonprofit; 1-10 employees; Program Development industry

May 2011 – Present  (1 year 11 months)

Advise on political, regulatory and socio-cultural systems in the Canadian North. Research northern resource development and sustainable/environmental management in the Arctic. Link Northern stakeholder groups with sustainable technologies.

 

Research AssociateArcticNet

January 2011 – May 2012  (1 year 5 months)

Associate on ArcticNet 'Emerging Arctic Security Environment: External and Internal Dimensions' Project. Research participant on Canadian Ranger patrols in Labrador. Collaborative workshops on understandings of Arctic security within Canadian Eastern Arctic.

 

Research AssistantMemorial University of Newfoundland

Educational Institution; 1001-5000 employees; Higher Education industry

August 2010 – May 2011 (10 months)

Comparative study on climate change adapation policy across the Arctic, focussed at nationa, regional and local scale.

 

Communication's AssistantUniversity of the Arctic

 September 2006 – August 2010 (4 years)

 

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/harry-borlase/51/926/449

 

Sean in Ottawa

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

 How dare a Liberal come on this board and stand up for himself!  Sealed

K and BB, trying listening for once. I will speak for myself, I don't have any issue with Debater or anyone else pushing back. But there is a way to do that is not snide, condescending, or insulting. That is what the issue is, and that is why people react as they do. In my case, even after explaining myself, Debater still does it. If you think its easy to sit there and take it, especially after taking it for much better people then Debater, you are crazy.

Sorry you two, that is what the problem is. And I say it again Debater, the point has been made. Why don't you try and listen this time? Otherwise, change your handle to Gloater, it would fit better.

If someone doesn't like this post, tough.

Hi Arthur. I like you. I understand why you hate Liberals. But it is impossible not to point out that Debater has been on the receiving end as well of snide, condescending, insulting as well. Those that dislike Debater should show they are better and not do the same thing. Since he is outnumbered, the result is uglier. I think people should just back off. Ignore what bothers them for a bit and see if he can tone down as well but right now this is looking like bandwagon bashing and I don't want to drive off every person who does not have the same view. If we did what would be the point? People should read things with a bit more generosity of interpretation. Debater is usually not being personal -- his comments are partisan to be sure -- but can't we take a bit of that without responding with personal stuff? Once there is so much stuff going on you can't see who is initiating and who is responding so let's all step back. Those not involved in this will thank everyone for that.

jjuares

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

 How dare a Liberal come on this board and stand up for himself!  Sealed

 

K and BB, trying listening for once. I will speak for myself, I don't have any issue with Debater or anyone else pushing back. But there is a way to do that is not snide, condescending, or insulting. That is what the issue is, and that is why people react as they do. In my case, even after explaining myself, Debater still does it. If you think its easy to sit there and take it, especially after taking it for much better people then Debater, you are crazy.

Sorry you two, that is what the problem is. And I say it again Debater, the point has been made. Why don't you try and listen this time? Otherwise, change your handle to Gloater, it would fit better.

If someone doesn't like this post, tough.

Hi Arthur. I like you. I understand why you hate Liberals. But it is impossible not to point out that Debater has been on the receiving end as well of snide, condescending, insulting as well. Those that dislike Debater should show they are better and not do the same thing. Since he is outnumbered, the result is uglier. I think people should just back off. Ignore what bothers them for a bit and see if he can tone down as well but right now this is looking like bandwagon bashing and I don't want to drive off every person who does not have the same view. If we did what would be the point? People should read things with a bit more generosity of interpretation. Debater is usually not being personal -- his comments are partisan to be sure -- but can't we take a bit of that without responding with personal stuff? Once there is so much stuff going on you can't see who is initiating and who is responding so let's all step back. Those not involved in this will thank everyone for that.

Well, perhaps you are right. Many of us have one or two issues we feel passionately about. Debater regularly posts articles promoting the Liberals and attacking the NDP. That happens to be one his main issues. Like I said others promote the environment, femism, labour and gay rights, and etc. so why should he not have his issue? I guess the one caution I would add though, is that all those are consistent with the mandate and general operating principles of this site. I am not sure a poster who thinks the NDP is "far left" as he said in one thread is progressive under any definition of that term that any of us would recognize.

I have been guilty of on several occassions getting into a back and forth with Debater. And perhaps that is wrong on many levels. The pile on that you speak about really does derail some threads. And of course we can not blame him for what we do. So maybe simply the avoidance of the pile on is best.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

As for Todd Russell, I've come to his defence out of a sense of fairness. I joined the NDP not that long ago, and I want it to be the party of integrity. Russell was so evidently robbed in the last election by the Conservatives that I just could not keep quiet. I think it would be the right gesture - acting out of a sense of fairness and justice - that Sean's idea that the NDP just sit this one is just excellent and would reflect very well on the NDP in Labrador. Maybe the Liberal - whoever it is - will win convincinley over Penashue, and then in 2015 it's wide open as to who will run for the seat. Remember, this is a byelection, it'll only be for two years. If Russell or Jones beats Penashue, good for them. In two years the real fight begins with all parties contesting the seat.

I think it would be just an amazing gesture by the NDP if they would just acknowledge the seat was stolen from Russell and say we'll get it next time. It's just for two years, remember.

David Young

Does anyone care to bet that Harper will schedule the by-election the same week as the B.C. provincial election?

He knows the Liberals (the anti-New Democrats!) are going to crash and burn terribly, and he'll need to give their new leader, King Justin I, a boost by throwing them this gift around the same time.

If Harper scheduled the Toronto-Danforth by-election the same week as the NDP leadership contest, I wouldn't put it past him.

 

NorthReport

Are the NDP choosing their candidate this weekend?

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Labrador: Greens Will Not Field Candidate, Challenge NDP to Also Desist | Green Party of Canada www.greenparty.ca

OTTAWA –

Elizabeth May announced today that the Green Party of Canada has decided not to field a candidate in the upcoming Labrador by-election and challenged the NDP to do the same.

Ottawa Centre-Left

NorthReport wrote:

Are the NDP choosing their candidate this weekend?

 

Yes, I am sure I read yesterday on CBC that the nomination vote is Sunday.

Brachina

Notice she never makes this sort of offer to help the NDP. She screwed over Green Party voters. She has no honour or Loyalty to her own party or thier voters.

I say it again not having a candiate isn't intergity its the exact opposite, its an attack on Democracy, if the Libs want the riding they can earn it. Its the voters choice not yours Boom Boom, why is this so hard to understand?

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Carry on with your lack of class and integrity. Kiss

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

OK. I again apologize to everyone. As much as I really respect everyone on this board, I regard Seans's voice as one of real sanity. OK, I'll back off. Its a personal traint of mine from being a kid and being bullied. I don't like backing down, but I will. This is supposed to be a venue for discussion and discourse. I'll try again, But I have to say it isnt very easy.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

I personally understand the reasoning for the NDP not running a candidate. All I can say is I don't expect there is any set of circumstances under which the Libs would ever do the same. The NDP wants to be a national party. It is obligated to offer the voters a choice and allow the chips to fall where they do. I just don't see why the NDP should do anything else. As for the Greens, that is just more E May being E May. I have to say, I am very dissapointed at her snarky partisanship, but its politics, so I get that partys do what they think works best for them.

NorthReport

More Liberal talking points.

Get a grip folks the NDP is the Official Opposition.

 

Boom Boom wrote:

Labrador: Greens Will Not Field Candidate, Challenge NDP to Also Desist | Green Party of Canada www.greenparty.ca

OTTAWA –

Elizabeth May announced today that the Green Party of Canada has decided not to field a candidate in the upcoming Labrador by-election and challenged the NDP to do the same.

Ottawa Centre-Left

Arthur Cramer wrote:

As for the Greens, that is just more E May being E May. I have to say, I am very dissapointed at her snarky partisanship, but its politics, so I get that partys do what they think works best for them.

 

Completely agree. It's just the usual nonsense from May that could have been expected. As to my earlier point, I tracked down confirmation:

NFL CBC: Councellor Mike Goosney from Labrador City and Harry Borlase are seeking the NDP nomination in Labrador. Results Sunday at 5pm

Aristotleded24

If an open seat becomes available in Elmwood-Transcona, let's see if May stands down for the NDP and asks the Liberals to do the same.

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Aristotleded24 wrote:

If an open seat becomes available in Elmwood-Transcona, let's see if May stands down for the NDP and asks the Liberals to do the same.

My point exactly. Nailed it!

robbie_dee

The Greens have little to no organization and would have no hope in a Labrador byelection anyways because the party remains badly split over the seal hunt (official policy is to [url=http://www.greenparty.ca/vision-green/p3.8]oppose it[/url], but local feelings are [url=http://www.greenparty.ca/convention-2012/voting/motions/g12-p18]quite different[/url]). The Greens decision to sit this one out is simply May trying to make a virtue out of necessity - the Party very well might not have been able to find a candidate at all in any case.

I see no reason for the NDP to sit out a byelection, particularly in a riding where they have had historic strength, and where the outcome will have no effect on the distribution of power in the House of Commons anyways (Cons would keep majority whether Penashue wins or loses).

I am in favor of an electoral cooperation arrangement between the NDP and Liberals for 2015 and perhaps even on a longer-term basis if necessary. But even were such an arrangement to come to be, I would expect the parties to run candidates against each other in byelections like this in any case. The potential NDP candidates who have come forward both look like very talented, capable people who could be excellent representatives for the people of Labrador. The people of Labrador deserve the opportunity to vote for the candidate of their choice.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

"The people of Labrador deserve the opportunity to vote for the candidate of their choice."

My point exactly. Don't think for a moment the Libs wouldn't say the same thing if the show was on on the other foot.

Stockholm

There are 308 ridings in Canada, I'm scratching my head trying to think of any riding where what Elizabeth May has to say could be more inconsequential and irrelevant than in Labrador.

robbie_dee

Arthur Cramer wrote:

"The people of Labrador deserve the opportunity to vote for the candidate of their choice."

My point exactly. Don't think for a moment the Libs wouldn't say the same thing if the show was on on the other foot.

I agree with you w/r/t this byelection although my post after yours was not intended to be a direct response. To be clear, though, I may feel differently in a general election or even in a byelection where control of the House was in play. Given an opportunity to defeat the Conservative government, if neither the Liberals or the NDP are able to do so on their own I think they should absolutely find a way to work together to do it, even if it means not running against each other in certain ridings. I just think it would be silly to try something like that in this byelection.

Stockholm

I MIGHT see some rationale for what Elizabeth May is doing if at least she was extracting some policy concessions in exchange for endorsing the Liberal in Labrador. Like if she said that she would withdraw the Green candidate and back the second place Liberal from 2011 IF and ONLY IF he or she committed to at least some of the following Green party policies: support proportional representation, oppose the Nexen takeover, oppose the Keystone XL pipeline, support a carbon tax, oppose the seal hunt and support senate reform. But the Liberals have never agreed with the Green party on ANY of these issues.

Instead May has simply thrown her party under a bus and backed the Liberals in exchange for NOTHING. Laurence O'Brien, the previous Liberal MP for Labrador before Todd Russell who died in 2007 was an extreme social consewrvative who was homophobic and anti-abortion rights - what if Yvonne Jones turns out to have those views as well? i guess that doesn't matter to Elixabeth May as long as she gets her 30 seconds of fame for a day.

One thing we know about Elizabeth may is that policy doesn't matter to her - all she cares about is publicity for herself.

 

felixr

Labrador is going to have a byelection with three strong candidates. The voters are going to have a wealth of choices, which is not always the case. I'm looking forward to a vigorous campaign of personalities and ideas.

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i think it might be as simple as the Green Party can't afford to contest the by-election for both monetary and ascetic reasons..  Running would only highlight how irrelevant the Green Party is in most of the country.  They only got 139 votes in the election about 1.3%.  Why would they want to play?

Stockholm

That's probably true...remember back when May ran in London North Centre, there was a byelection the same day in Repentigny and the Greens claimed that they accidentally didn't get there paperwork in on time and so they hads no candidate. Everyone know that the real reason was that they did not want to detract from may's run in LNC with having them get about 1% in Repentigny the same day - so they skipped out.

Interesting that a year ago when there was a byelection in Toronto-Danforth, i don't recall May saying "maybe the Green party should not run a candidate out of respect the late Jack Layton and we demand that the Liberals follow suit"...but know we are supposed to drop everything to help some Liberal hack win Labrador

KenS

David Young wrote:

Does anyone care to bet that Harper will schedule the by-election the same week as the B.C. provincial election?

Cynics/cynisism aside, indications are that week or the week earlier.

In this case, the point would not be a spanner in the works for other parties- but to have as little national attention on Labrador as possible, For national optics, the little it is noticed, the better for them- EVEN if they win, let alone if they dont.

Sean in Ottawa

May's statement has changed this discussion. I totally disagree with her rationale. I also disagree with the bargaining rationale using policy concessions.

There was a point to saying the seat should go to the runner-up who was only 44 votes behind and was cheated. If that were followed it could not involve bargaining and should not be based on political alliance. If the second place candidate was a Conservative independent my rationale ought to hold but May's would be gone.

But May is saying that the rationale is to defeat the Conservative by reducing choices. The rationale I proposed strengthened the democratic process by increasing the penalty for cheating and limited the precedent to being just about deferring to a close second where cheating had altered the result.

With May saying that we should stand down only to defeat a Conservative (forgetting the specific circumstances here) the ship sails on the idea that we could have set a positive precedent where we reduce the incentive to cheat and take a moral high ground. Instead May is providing a rationale I cannot support where the rationale is about colluding based on political alliances to limit the choice of voters. Indeed May did not even include the cheating argument. Collusion for that reason would damage democratic elections rather than enhance them as my rationale would have. In many cases the stated reasons for doing something have everything to do with whether the action is reasonable. May is effectively claiming a conflict of interest in how to deal with this-- saying that she feels close to the Liberals rather than making it just about a stolen election result. Her statement therefore is immoral and anti-democratic even though it had some things in common with what I was suggesting. Why you have a vote and why you chose to participate means everything to this discussion.

Her statement was not well thought out and removed any possibility that the NDP could make such a gesture.

A political party has no mandate to collude to help another party win-- it could in an extraordinary case such as this accept the fairness option I outlined of accepting the principle of runner up in an election where the winner cheated. May is proposing the first improper rationale rather than the second more justified one. In this case you simply cannot do this publicly stating the wrong reasons as the impact on the future is too serious.

The NDP now must run a candidate for sure. We could propose legislation that allows for a hearing to be held before a by election in cases like this and if that hearing determines that an unfair advantage was obtained by the winning candidate due to breaking financing or spending rules the runner up will take the seat until the next election and the cheating candidate is barred from running in that election. If such a cheating campaign is exposed on a national level by a national party, a new general election must be called.

KenS

You'll have to work on that concept Sean.

We already have a detailed process that goes from EC, to [if] prosecuters, to [if] a trial.... where the judge decides if it is warranted to bar the person from being an MP for 5 years [removing them from office if they are still sitting].

Penashue is already in this process. The chances of removing him are slim... because there has to court standards of PROOF that there was an intention to exceed the spending limit, the fact of exceeding the spening limit itself is not sufficient for removal. [Resulting in less severe peanlties / judgements.]

We could have hearings about whether the Act is adequate. But we cannot even suggest a process outside the courts.

nicky

With great deference to Sean’s views I think the NP should vigorously contest the Labrador by-election.

First, The NDP can win. I set out various of the electoral considerations in this topic about a week ago. I repeat them now.

I think the NDP has a number of reasons to be optimistic about its chances in the Labrador by-election.

1. It was their third best seat in N&L in the last federal election with 20%

2. It seems like natural NDP territory with high percentages of both aboriginal and unionized voters.

3. The NDP has had some electoral success in Labrador in the past. It won the western provincial riding four or five times over the past 25 years. In 1997 it polled 38% in the federal election.

3. In the last provincial election the NDP got 24% in the four provincial ridings in Labrador vs 44% for the PCs and 31.5 for the Liberals. Although the NDP got swamped in the southern coastal and northern ridings it came a decent second in the central and western ridings.

4. Polls show the NDP is soaring in N &L . Just last week a Corporate Research poll of provincial voting intentions showed N 39 C 38 and L 22, a gain of 14% for the NDP from the election

5. The NDP tends to do better in federal elections in N & L than provincially. Over 30% in May 2011. Last summer there was a poll putting them in first place federally in the province with a number in the high 40s. 

6. Jack Harris and Ryan Cleary seem to have very high profiles.

 

Expanding on the recent CRA provincial poll: It showed the Cons down 18% from the recent provincial election, the Liberals up 3% and the NDP up14.5 %.  Extrapolating this onto the aggregate of the 4 Labrador provincial ridings through a uniform swing gets these results: N 38.5, L 34.5, C 26. I know these are provincial numbers but they clearly show potential for the NDP.

 

Second, it was not just Mr Russell who was cheated by Conservative malfeasance but all the voters of Labrador. Russell has no inherent right to the seat. In fact even many Liberals don’t seem to think this since Yvonne Jones is contesting the Liberal nomination.

 

Third, this may be an extremely important by-election in presaging the terrain for the next general election. It comes at a crucial point in Canada’s electoral history. For the first time one of the two old parties has been shoved into third place. We have a substantial chance in this by-election of cementing the NDP’s claim to be the government in waiting.

 

But the Liberals are getting back off the canvass. The superficial allure of Trudeau the Lesser threatens to rob the NDP of its historic opportunity.

 

An NDP win in Labrador, particularly where the media seems to expect a Liberal win, can help establish the NDP as the alternative. It can help prevent the re-establishment of the “blue door –red door” dichotomy that had given Canada such a mediocre electoral choice for so long.

 

In other words, the Labrador by-election presents too good an opportunity to bypass.

 

Fourth, we seem to have two estimable local candidates contesting the NDP nomination. Whoever wins deserves our support.

 

In fact I am prepare to pledge $100 to the winner and invite other Babblers to reciprocate.

 

adma

Stockholm wrote:
Interesting that a year ago when there was a byelection in Toronto-Danforth, i don't recall May saying "maybe the Green party should not run a candidate out of respect the late Jack Layton and we demand that the Liberals follow suit"...but know we are supposed to drop everything to help some Liberal hack win Labrador

 

Then again, unlike Laborador, Toronto-Danforth is a seat where the Greens have traditionally done, by their standard, *well*--maybe their best seat in Toronto?  (And not just because Jim Harris ran there in '04.)

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