Labrador By-Election

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Brachina

Harry is already organized enough to win a nomination contest against a city councillor, so perhaps that is a hint as to his capablities in that department. I got a good feeling about this guy.

Debater

sherpa-finn wrote:

Debater: > Why was the other candidate not chosen?

Not absolutely sure in this case, but in other NDP campaigns I've seen its generally been because the winner got more votes. From what I can tell, the NDP doesn't seem to as keen as others on the inheritance / coronation approach to leadership selection.  Laughing

I'm now hearing that there were 3 candidates for the NDP nomination.  Does that sound right to you?  But apparently only 100 or so people voted at the nomination meeting.

Debater

Brachina wrote:

Debater wrote:

Elizabeth May claims on Twitter today that she wants to work with both the Liberals and the NDP but that the NDP has rejected her offers so far.

Anyone know what she is referring to?

 

https://twitter.com/ElizabethMay/status/315905959438479360

Maybe she can enlighten us as to her offer to the NDP. Because so far it appears to be the NDP stands aside in exchange for nothing.

Elizabeth May shouldn't get too used to the idea of working with the Liberals, either.  If Justin Trudeau becomes leader next month, he is going to put a stop to it.

Elizabeth May apparently approached both Justin Trudeau & Joyce Murray in the House of Commons the other day after Question Period with her offer on Labrador.

Murray fell for it, and brought it up during the middle of the final Liberal debate in Montreal yesterday.  Murray was reprimanded by Justin Trudeau and Martha Hall Findlay for it.  Trudeau told her that while Green voters are welcome to vote Liberal, the LPC will not be doing a candidate exchange with the Greens.  Findlay reminded Murray that Peter MacKay's vote in Central Nova actually went UP the year she inserted herself into the riding in place of the LPC.

jerrym

Harry Borlase of Happy Valley-Goose Bay will represent the NDP in the federal byelection for Labrador.

Borlase was one of three candidates who participated in the nomination process. A total of just over 100 ballots were cast over the weekend.

The other candidates seeking the nomination were Brandon Pardy and Mike Goosney.

For more on this story, read Monday's edition of The Telegram.

http://www.thetelegram.com/News/Local/2013-03-24/article-3206561/Harry-B...

 

jerrym

Here is Harry Borlase's twitter account and his thank you to his supporters.

Thank you so much to everyone who supported me during the nomination! Couldn't have done it without you. 

https://twitter.com/HarryBorlase

Ippurigakko

Labrador NDP on FB page

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

March 24, 2013

HARRY BORLASE TO REPRESENT THE NDP IN LABRADOR BY-ELECTION

LABRADOR -­ New Democrats in Labrador have elected Harry Borlase to be the NDP candidate in the upcoming Labrador by-election. Three individuals were contesting the nomination, which ended with an online vote today at 5pm local time.

“I'm very excited to work with Tom Mulcair and the NDP Official Opposition, said Borlase. We can build a strong sustainable environment and economy for Labrador.”

Harry was raised in Nain and Happy Valley-Goose Bay and has worked on northern issues all his life.

“There is no doubt in my mind that my passion for the North comes from being raised in Labrador. The beauty of this land and the kindness of its people have made a permanent impression that I carry with me wherever I go,” said Borlase.

Harry obtained a Bachelor`s degree in Political Science and Canadian Studies from Mount Allison and completed an MA in Polar Law in Iceland before returning to Newfoundland and Labrador to work for Memorial University on a climate adaptation project focused on Labrador. Most recently he has been working as a northern analyst at C-CORE.

“I believe developing healthy and strong northern communities starts with addressing issues like housing, education and food security, as well as a strong and mobilized workforce and development that puts the benefits and concerns of local residents first,” said Borlase. “I look forward to working to bring investment in economic diversification to grow Labrador's small business sector while at the same time promoting responsible environmental management and supporting local leadership and Aboriginal governance.”

“The NDP is the party best positioned to defeat and replace Stephen Harper in 2015 and we can start right here in Labrador by punishing Peter Penashue and Stephen Harper for their ethical lapses," said NDP National Director Nathan Rotman.

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Stockholm

I think Harry Borlase sounds like a fantastic candidate...much like some of those stellar young NDP MPs from Quebec who have all punched way above their weight.

In the election, people can choose between Peter "the cheater" Penashue who has been an embarrassment to Labrador, or they can vote for whichever retread ends up being the Liberal/Green fusion candidate (I wonder if the Green endorsed Liberal is for or against the seal hunt?) Or Harry Borlase of the NDP who represents the exact opposite of everything Harper/Penashue represent.

What really speaks volums is that Elizabeth May would endorse a yet to be named pro-pipeline, pro-seal hunt Liberal over an NDP candidate who is a researcher on the impact of climate change in the high Arctic.

I nominate Elizabeth May for the prize of the week for being the Canadian politician with the least integrity!  

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IP

"I believe developing healthy and  strong northern communities starts with addressing issues like housing,  education and food security, as well as a strong and mobilized workforce  and development that puts the benefits and concerns of local residents  first,” said Borlase. “I look forward to working to bring investment in  economic diversification to grow Labrador's small business sector while  at the same time promoting responsible environmental management and  supporting local leadership and Aboriginal governance.”

Given how the Libs have Trudeau, why would anyone have to worry about all this policy stuff. Le Dauphin will make all better just becaus of who is.

Frankly, the problem is, as much as I am kidding, policy may not matter. Style and MYTH, may win out over susbstance.

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According to this short article, there were 100 ballots cast for three candidates.

Meaning the NDP membership in the riding is at least 50 times greater than the Greens. Cool

NeedToVote101

Mr. Borlase should be happy tonight... not only did he become the NDP candidate in the Labrador by-election, he will be getting a $50 political donations from Ontario. I wish Mr. Borlase all the best, and will hope to be able to send him another $50 donation midway through the campaign.

I hope that other NDP supporters will match my donations regardless of where they live in this country.

I think the Conservatives, Liberals and Greens need to be taught a lesson in on how not to rig elections.

Mr. Borlase is a young candidate you may require financial assistance in order to be able to efficiently campaign in such a large riding. Any donations would be greatly appreciated, I am sure of it!!

Stockholm

Tomorrow we will find out whether Todd Russell will run against Yvonne Jones for the "Liberal/Green deal" nomination...If he does, I wonder if it will be the usual Liberal fratricidal war between factions...if Jones beats Russell the Inuit will see it as a door slammed in their face and if Russell beats Jones the outports on the south coast will feel affronted.

Perhaps Elixzabeth may can come and campaign for the Green Liberal candidate and hug a few seals while she is at it!

NeedToVote101

Stockholm wrote:

Perhaps Elixzabeth may can come and campaign for the Green Liberal candidate and hug a few seals while she is at it!

LMAO... rolling on the floor laughing Stockholm.

jerrym

With his social network skills and connections to Nain, Happy Valley, the environmental and aboriginal communities, Harry Borlase should be able to expand the NDP vote significantly beyond its traditional base of Labrador City. 

Brachina

For such a sparsely populated area over a 100 votes in a party nomination process is not bad at all. Compared to other recent bi elections like in Calgary this nomination was fast and Harry organized really quickly, if he keeps it up he has a really good shot at winning.

mark_alfred

Debater wrote:

 Findlay reminded Murray that Peter MacKay's vote in Central Nova actually went UP the year she inserted herself into the riding in place of the LPC.

I've heard speculation that the Greens really have no organization to speak of in Labrador (unlike in BC or Calgary).  So, perhaps there was another motivation for this supposed sacrifice of hers -- that being to save face.

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felixr

Dear Debater, Please accept our sincere apologies that the Liberal candidate, whomever the heavens may one day deem them to be, was not permitted to slip up to the mantle of non-Conservative champion unrivaled. Our apologies on behalf of the people of Labrador for their getting a choice, an option, that might in fact stand for some policies instead of the ultimatum of "they who possess the better name recognition, must inherit the throne."

felixr

Brachina wrote:

Debater wrote:

Elizabeth May claims on Twitter today that she wants to work with both the Liberals and the NDP but that the NDP has rejected her offers so far.

Anyone know what she is referring to?

 

https://twitter.com/ElizabethMay/status/315905959438479360

Maybe she can enlighten us as to her offer to the NDP. Because so far it appears to be the NDP stands aside in exchange for nothing.

What a broken record Elizabeth May is.

felixr

Stockholm wrote:

What really speaks volums is that Elizabeth May would endorse a yet to be named pro-pipeline, pro-seal hunt Liberal over an NDP candidate who is a researcher on the impact of climate change in the high Arctic.

I nominate Elizabeth May for the prize of the week for being the Canadian politician with the least integrity!  

Laughing

Debater

felixr wrote:

Dear Debater, Please accept our sincere apologies that the Liberal candidate, whomever the heavens may one day deem them to be, was not permitted to slip up to the mantle of non-Conservative champion unrivaled. Our apologies on behalf of the people of Labrador for their getting a choice, an option, that might in fact stand for some policies instead of the ultimatum of "they who possess the better name recognition, must inherit the throne."

I didn't say that the NDP candidate should withdraw, or that the Green candidate should withdraw.  That's Elizabeth May's idea.  I agree with Justin Trudeau that the Liberals need to demonstrate that they can win the riding on their own without Elizabeth May's help.  The Liberals have never needed the Green Party in Labrador before.  Elizabeth May is just trying to claim credit for something so the Green Party can save face in a riding where they have no support.

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Debater wrote:

felixr wrote:

Dear Debater, Please accept our sincere apologies that the Liberal candidate, whomever the heavens may one day deem them to be, was not permitted to slip up to the mantle of non-Conservative champion unrivaled. Our apologies on behalf of the people of Labrador for their getting a choice, an option, that might in fact stand for some policies instead of the ultimatum of "they who possess the better name recognition, must inherit the throne."

I didn't say that the NDP candidate should withdraw, or that the Green candidate should withdraw.  That's Elizabeth May's idea.  I agree with Justin Trudeau that the Liberals need to demonstrate that they can win the riding on their own without Elizabeth May's help.  The Liberals have never needed the Green Party in Labrador before.  Elizabeth May is just trying to claim credit for something so the Green Party can save face in a riding where they have no support.

Maybe not Debater, but it sure sounds that way.

Debater

Stockholm wrote:

Tomorrow we will find out whether Todd Russell will run against Yvonne Jones for the "Liberal/Green deal" nomination...If he does, I wonder if it will be the usual Liberal fratricidal war between factions...if Jones beats Russell the Inuit will see it as a door slammed in their face and if Russell beats Jones the outports on the south coast will feel affronted.

Perhaps Elixzabeth may can come and campaign for the Green Liberal candidate and hug a few seals while she is at it!

While no one knows for sure tonight, I'm hearing that Russell is leaning against running because some of his constituents have asked him to stay where he is as President of his community rather than going back to Ottawa at this time.

However, both Russell and Jones are candidates with integrity and I do not expect them to have a "fraticidal war" should they end up competing against each other.

Stockholm, have you noticed that most of your remarks about Jones, and now Russell, on this thread have been fairly insulting?

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And yours haven't been Debater? Project much?

Debater

That's what you tend to do, AC.  I haven't made any personal attacks on this thread or made fun of anyone for having to leave a leadership position because of cancer treatment.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Debater, people who protest the loudest, usually have the most to excuse. I'm just sayin'. I don't recall ever calling you a "frat boy". People in glass houses debater, people in glass houses. I'm just sayin'.

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Oh, and one other thing Debater, its not up to  YOU to call ANYONE on this board out for anything. Got it?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Oh, and one other thing Debater, its not up to  YOU to call ANYONE on this board out for anything. Got it?

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Debater, people who protest the loudest, usually have the most to excuse. I'm just sayin'. I don't recall ever calling you a "frat boy". People in glass houses debater, people in glass houses. I'm just sayin'.

I can hear the sound of tinkling glass.

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That's right K, poor Debater has to move.

nicky

I am all in favour of a Green-NDP alliance where the Greens support the NDP in those ridings where the NDP received the higher vote last time and the NDP reciprocates.

This would result in 305 NDP candidates and 3 Green candidates in the next election.

Debater

Harry Borlase is being interviewed now on CBC Labrador.  He's being asked by Tony Dawson why he's been living away from Labrador in the Ottawa area and only deciding to move back to Labrador now.

http://www.cbc.ca/labradormorning/

Debater

Todd Russell now being interviewed!  And his decision is . . .

Debater

To remain where he is at Nunatukavut as President.

It's a difficult decision he says because he feels he was cheated out of the seat by the Conservatives, but he wants to serve the position he has currently taken on.

Debater

Russell feels a moral obligation to remain where he is at Nunatukavut as President.

I think he has demonstrated his moral compass by putting his committment to his people over all else.  Petty considerations like trying to collect his full pension may be something a lesser man would think about, but not Russell.

Unless another candidate announces, it looks like it will now be Yvonne Jones!  Good luck to her!  Smile

 

https://twitter.com/PeterCBC/status/316139431352492032

nicky

Ah Debater, would it make any difference to your continuous sniping at Harry Borlase if I told you that in addition to his myriad other qualifications that he was a substitute drama teacher?

From what I can see Harry is a very worthy and energetic candidate and in honour of Debater I am going to send him $100.

Incidentally, Harry was initially raised in Nain which is far up the north coast of Labrador and has lived most of his life in Happy Valley - Goose Bay. Those are the two areas where Penashue had his greatest strength. The NDP already dominates western Labrador so Harry has the the prospect of expanding the party's geographical reach.

Island Red

Russell was a shoe-in; Yvonne Jones is not. While Jones is like well enough in her own provincial district, she is not highly regarded generally and is widely perceived to be an annoying, grudge-holding politico who simply cannot be trusted. Russell only needed 45 more days in office to qualify for a pension when he lost to Penashue in 2011, and the guy is well-loved throughout much of Labrador. Jones out-manouevered him, using bully tactics that will not go down well amongst the large Metis population that backed Russell. She may well win - after all, this has been a strong Liberal seat in the past - but Jones has created enemies on the eve of a by-election. The NDP's Harry Borlase has a shot at this.

Island Red

Todd Russell now says he will not support Jones. He is apparently upset she got the jump on him. Not that he should be surprised; he surely must have known of Jones's naked ambition and her "machine guns at dawn" approach to politics.

Brachina

nicky wrote:

Ah Debater, would it make any difference to your continuous sniping at Harry Borlase if I told you that in addition to his myriad other qualifications that he was a substitute drama teacher?

From what I can see Harry is a very worthy and energetic candidate and in honour of Debater I am going to send him $100.

Incidentally, Harry was initially raised in Nain which is far up the north coast of Labrador and has lived most of his life in Happy Valley - Goose Bay. Those are the two areas where Penashue had his greatest strength. The NDP already dominates western Labrador so Harry has the the prospect of expanding the party's geographical reach.

LMFAO

On another note Blunt Objects makes some good points about how full of shit the Greens are.

http://blunt-objects.blogspot.ca/2013/03/the-very-political-machinations...

Also interesting to note at the end that it appears that the Greens riding association isn't the only one to disappear, its appears the Liberals have too. This bodes well for the NDP.

janfromthebruce

Island Red wrote:

Todd Russell now says he will not support Jones. He is apparently upset she got the jump on him. Not that he should be surprised; he surely must have known of Jones's naked ambition and her "machine guns at dawn" approach to politics.

Liberal party politics at its best - infighting for all to see!

So now the previous Liberal candidate is not running. Often I hear the argument from Liberals that people elect the candidate and not the party brand and hence why floor crossing is okay, because it's about the candidate or elected person and nothing to do with the party, thank you very much.

With that anology it would be just fine, with Russel not running that this is wide open now.

Personally, I am so glad the NDP ignored what Liberals and Greens were doing or not doing, and went about the business of having an open nomination meeting and letting the local riding association quickly decide who the candidate will be. Harry Borlase sounds like a fabulous local candidate.

Harry Borlase, an analyst with C-CORE, a research organization working on cold-ocean development, won the race for the NDP's nomination on Sunday.

Former Liberal MP stays away from Labrador byelection

Ouch

Meanwhile, Russell took a shot at Yvonne Jones, a Liberal representative in Newfoundland and Labrador's legislature and a former provincial party leader. Jones declared her intention to seek the Liberal nomination the morning after Penashue announced his resignation in the house.

"I was disappointed that Ms. Jones made such a hasty decision," Russell said. "I would have hoped that I would have had the liberty, the freedom to make my decision without that added consideration."

 

 

 

Stockholm

Who cares if former MP Todd Russell won't support Yvonne Jones when Elizabeth will apparently campaign for her anointed candidate in Labrador and hug some seals while she is at it. Who has a chance against the Jones- may juggernaut? :-)

janfromthebruce

Brachina wrote:

nicky wrote:

Ah Debater, would it make any difference to your continuous sniping at Harry Borlase if I told you that in addition to his myriad other qualifications that he was a substitute drama teacher?

From what I can see Harry is a very worthy and energetic candidate and in honour of Debater I am going to send him $100.

Incidentally, Harry was initially raised in Nain which is far up the north coast of Labrador and has lived most of his life in Happy Valley - Goose Bay. Those are the two areas where Penashue had his greatest strength. The NDP already dominates western Labrador so Harry has the the prospect of expanding the party's geographical reach.

LMFAO On another note Blunt Objects makes some good points about how full of shit the Greens are. http://blunt-objects.blogspot.ca/2013/03/the-very-political-machinations... Also interesting to note at the end that it appears that the Greens riding association isn't the only one to disappear, its appears the Liberals have too. This bodes well for the NDP.

* - sadly, ours was deregistered in 2012, apparently from a lack of documents given to Elections Canada. Why is that? Not like we don't have active Liberals in Labrador, unlike the Greens, who self-deregistered. Hm.

Really hard to run a local riding election without a riding association that is constituted. No wonder the Libs are flatfooted here - and I will assume the HarperCons would know this too! So the lib candidate can't be nominated at a nomination meeting because no riding association, unless of course you don't need one.

Pretty hard to run a campaign without a active riding association.

So for months the drum beat of corruption related to the Labador MP is going on and the Liberals ignore getting their house in order, on the ground in Labrador? And they want to run the country - egads!

nicky

Here is a handy summary of the Labrador by-election from Blunt Objects 9 days ago.

 

http://blunt-objects.blogspot.ca/2013/03/a-look-at-labrador.html?m=1

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Look, all I said was I heard him yesterday. All he had to do was deny it. He's thinking about it, and I say he's running. If you don't like how I chose to hear what he said with my own tow ears, that is fine, and I really have no issue at all with that. But, the bottom line is that is my opinion based on what I heard, K. I have been around the horn as have many of us, and I am pretty sure I can tell a snow job when I hear one.

I am now absolutely sure you were wrong about this man.  Your biases obviously cloud your interpretation of what you hear when other people speak. I am pretty sure you snowed yourself because of your hate of everything Liberal.  You were incapable of giving this indigenous leader any respect because you knew he was an evil Liberal.

Quote:

The man who lost his seat to former Labrador MP Peter Penashue two years ago says he won't seek the federal Liberal nomination in an upcoming byelection. Todd Russell says he believes his time will be better spent in his current role as president of the NunatuKavut  Community Council, a non-profit organization that represents the Metis.

http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=32378

robbie_dee

Island Red wrote:

Todd Russell now says he will not support Jones. He is apparently upset she got the jump on him. Not that he should be surprised; he surely must have known of Jones's naked ambition and her "machine guns at dawn" approach to politics.

Well this is shaping up better than expected. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The Liberals have not had their nomination meeting yet and they are indulging in dirty shotgun politics and hindering peoples ability to run in the nomination. The NDP had a super quick nomination meeting that did not allow for any membership sign up but for really good reasons. The Liberals are obviously corrupt for waiting longer than the NDP to have the nomination meeting. I love the logic around here.

LMAO

As for running a campaign without an active riding association the best recent example is the NDP in almost every riding in Quebec during last election.

The partisan double standards are on full display this morning.

Ippurigakko

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Look, all I said was I heard him yesterday. All he had to do was deny it. He's thinking about it, and I say he's running. If you don't like how I chose to hear what he said with my own tow ears, that is fine, and I really have no issue at all with that. But, the bottom line is that is my opinion based on what I heard, K. I have been around the horn as have many of us, and I am pretty sure I can tell a snow job when I hear one.

I am now absolutely sure you were wrong about this man.  Your biases obviously cloud your interpretation of what you hear when other people speak. I am pretty sure you snowed yourself because of your hate of everything Liberal.  You were incapable of giving this indigenous leader any respect because you knew he was an evil Liberal.

Quote:

The man who lost his seat to former Labrador MP Peter Penashue two years ago says he won't seek the federal Liberal nomination in an upcoming byelection. Todd Russell says he believes his time will be better spent in his current role as president of the NunatuKavut  Community Council, a non-profit organization that represents the Metis.

http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=32378

 

I am Indigenous btw, It dont matter who is Indigenous leader, I did vote last election that I against Inuit liberal candidate Paul Okalik, he was premier of NU, does it any make difference? Even Leona too. I voted who is non-Inuit White man NDP.

robbie_dee

For me at least the point of interest is not so much how quickly the nominations were held as it is the fact that the former Liberal MP is already sniping at the presumptive Liberal nominee while we are not hearing such sour grapes from the defeated NDP candidates. Politics is a rough sport but the inability to keep divisions "in house" has been a big part of the Liberals' problem for the past nine years as they've declined from a federal majority government to third party.

Harry Borlase looks like an impressive, energetic young candidate and he is committed to the North. I think he could do a great job. Ultimately its up to the voters of Labrador to decide. But with the Conservative having a cloud of corruption over his head and the Liberals badly divided, I think Borlase is in a good spot.

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Who you vote for is irrelevant.  Did you call them liars when they were telling the truth?  That is what I find offensive. I find it offensive when it is done to any person putting themselves forward for election but I think it is even worse when it is directed against members of communities whose voices are typically silenced by our dominant culture and media.

It seemed obvious to me that after only a year into a President's job that any reasonable person would have to give it some thought. I did not know anything about  the man but my default is to presume that people are reasonable until I am proven wrong.  The suggestion by Stockholm that his only motivation would be to get a pension and that he would be a lazy asshole as an MP was particularly odious.

felixr

What's wrong with contested nominations Debater? Or is the new Liberal party still the old one that has to settle all nomination contests in the back rooms?

Former Liberal MP stays away from Labrador byelection wrote:

Russell's decision is the latest twist in the still-unofficial competition for the Labrador seat, and comes on the heels of Green Party Leader Elizabeth May's call for the NDP to stand down in the race so that the Conservatives will be defeated.

Russell had a good motivation to run again, if only because he was defeated just 22 days before he was eligible to qualify for a parliamentary pension.

Meanwhile, Russell took a shot at Yvonne Jones, a Liberal representative in Newfoundland and Labrador's legislature and a former provincial party leader. Jones declared her intention to seek the Liberal nomination the morning after Penashue announced his resignation in the house.

"I was disappointed that Ms. Jones made such a hasty decision," Russell said. "I would have hoped that I would have had the liberty, the freedom to make my decision without that added consideration."

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Look, all I said was I heard him yesterday. All he had to do was deny it. He's thinking about it, and I say he's running. If you don't like how I chose to hear what he said with my own tow ears, that is fine, and I really have no issue at all with that. But, the bottom line is that is my opinion based on what I heard, K. I have been around the horn as have many of us, and I am pretty sure I can tell a snow job when I hear one.

I am now absolutely sure you were wrong about this man.  Your biases obviously cloud your interpretation of what you hear when other people speak. I am pretty sure you snowed yourself because of your hate of everything Liberal.  You were incapable of giving this indigenous leader any respect because you knew he was an evil Liberal.

Quote:

The man who lost his seat to former Labrador MP Peter Penashue two years ago says he won't seek the federal Liberal nomination in an upcoming byelection. Todd Russell says he believes his time

 will be better spent in his current role as president of the NunatuKavut  Community Council, a non-profit organization that represents the Metis.

http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=32378

Look, I don't even know how to reply to this. My opposition to anyone running Liberal is that they are Liberal. I guess its fair to say I hate all things Liberal, but I have already explained my reason is that the Libs govern from the right and do things that hurt oridianry people. For me, who some is and what good things they may have done is automatically cancelled if they run as a Liberal. That says volumes to me about who they are. They are saying that notwithtstanding all the lousy things the Libs have done to oridnary people, I am comfortable with that.

I just don't get it.

Please stop jumping alll over me over and over just because I dont' like Liberals. I have explained this and I believe my stance is righoteus. I simply can't in any way support a party or anyone assoiciated with it that invokes policies over and over again that hurt people. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand or why their needs to be this incessant attack on my character.

ETA: "You were incapable of giving this indigenous leader any respect because you knew he was an evil Liberal" Until I started reading this thread, I didn't even know he was indigenous. Why do you keep bringing this aspect up? Who cares what his ethnicity is? How is that relevant to anything? Isn't this what the NDP is about, seeing people as people? I was wrong on this guy. OK. So what? I was wrong. What do you know. I have easily been more wrong then right pretty much all of my life. I have written on this threads that I know I am no geniuse. That's a pretty low blow K. I could care less about who someone is. I judge them on their actions. Running for the Libs is immediate disqualifer; and I have explained the reasons why. The fact is this is YOUR problem, NOT mine.

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"I was disappointed that Ms. Jones made such a hasty decision," Russell said. "I would have hoped that I would have had the liberty, the freedom to make my decision without that added consideration". What?

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