Labrador By-Election

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NorthReport

Can we focus on the respective candidates policies as opposed to their personalities please.  

Debater

NorthReport wrote:

Can we focus on the respective candidates policies as opposed to their personalities please.  

Something I can agree with you on, but it may be hard for some Babblers to stay away from making this about personalities! Wink

Debater

Stockholm wrote:

I think the Liberals would KILL to have a candidate of the calibre of Harry Borlase. Instead they are stuck with an old retread who the previous Liberal MP for Labrador apparently hates.

Stockholm, why do you have to sound so insulting towards Yvonne Jones every time you describe her?  I've tried not to insult your candidate personally.  I've said he seems like a bright young man, but he's primarily a research graduate at this point in his life and has no elected experience.

Yvonne Jones is not an 'old retread'.  She has never been a federal nominee before so it's not as if she's someone who's a failed MP or nominee from the past who keeps trying to get elected. (Although all parties are guilty of having foliks like that in certain ridings!)

Jones was described by CTV's Don Martin on Power Play today as a big name for the Liberals in Labrador.  He didn't even mention the NDP candidate by name since he's an unknown.

Debater

KenS wrote:

The pre-writ spening by the Conservatives probably isnt going to amount to all that much- because the writ will drop soon, and because the sky is the limit on spending during a by-election campaign writ period.

The national parties are allowed to spend a lot, on top of the regular local campaign spending cap. And if they want to spend even more, they don't have to count the salaries of existing staff, and of a lot of other resources supplied from outside the riding.

Well, it may not amount to as much as usual in the case of this by-election since apparently Harper wants to get this one out of the way quicker than usual.  However, several commentators, as well as the Liberals & NDP themselves, have complained of the unfair advantage Penashue was given.

It may only end up amounting to a couple of weeks advantage, but Harper and the CPC got Penashue's website set up for him several days before he resigned and also already have advertising going for him in Labrador, according to several reports.

Conservative strategist Geoff Norquay was trying to downplay this the other day, but the Opposition parties know what Harper is up to.  He wanted to give Penashue a head start.

knownothing knownothing's picture

Kind words from Joel-Denis Bellavance about Mulcair campaigning in Labrador

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=892663&playlistId=1.1212410&binId=1.8...

Debater

Well, all Bellavance says is that Mulcair & the NDP want to make an impact in Labrador, and that Mulcair is visiting there.  Makes sense.

I'm sure all parties will be sending their leaders there and having other prominent MP's stop by.

In the same segment the panel acknowledges that it's hard to know how the outcome of this by-election will go.  Don Martin acknowledges that Yvonne Jones is a big name, but didn't say the same about the NDP candidate.

Then they speculate that there could be a vote-split which elects Penashue again and that the Liberals & NDP will be forced to talk about co-operation!

Brachina
Stockholm

pebbles wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

BTW. when Penashue loses the byelection, you can bet your sweet patootie that Harper will appoint him to the Senate so he can earn $150k/year for the rest of his life in exchange for doing absolutely NOTHING!

To the Senate? From which province? Unless someone keels over, there's no vacancy coming up in NL until after the 2015 election.

Its simple, all Penashue has to do is declare Ottawa to be is home and he can sit as a senator from Ontario. If people like Mike Duffy and Pamela Wallin who have been living full-time in Ontario their entire adult lives can be appointed to the senate from PEI and Sask, why can't Penashue simply buy a pied a terre in whatever province next has a vacancy then harper can appoint him. I wouldn't put it past harper to do that - he appointed Fabian Manning to the senate TWICE after voters rejected him TWICE. There is no limit to his audacity!

PS: Jack Harris had only been in the House of Commons for one year 1987-88 prior to him running in 2008 - for him to get his pension he would have had to serve a full four year term after 2008 AND be re-elected again to get up to six years. Todd Russell in contrast only needed another 22 days as an MP to get a pension. Russell got outmaneouvered by Yvonne jones and isn't running. He seems very pissed off with jones. i wonder if he'll end up endorsing Harry Borlase?

jerrym

Mulcair launches 'full campaign' in Labrador byelectionNDP leader

Rallies union faithful to support candidate Harry Borlase

"The NDP has wasted no time in trying to make waves in the byelection in Labrador, even though Prime Minister Stephen Harper has yet to set a date.

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair set aside Tuesday morning to shake hands with workers at the gates of Wabush Mines and Monday night he had attended a union rally on behalf of newly selected candidate Harry Borlase.

"The NDP is going to be running a full campaign, here for Harry," said Mulcair.

"It's going to be a campaign that will see a lot of our MPs come up here. You're going to see a full team on the ground," he said." ...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2013/03/27/nl-...


Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Russell got outmaneouvered by Yvonne jones and isn't running. He seems very pissed off with jones. i wonder if he'll end up endorsing Harry Borlase?

Nope, won't happen, Libs hate New Democrats. These guys never break ranks. Its about POWER.

Stockholm

Todd Russell is already "breaking ranks" by pointedly refusing to endorse Yvonne Jones - why not go all the way and endorse someone else?

Ippurigakko

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=562259837129549&set=a.4998412500...

Really? is he imply that NDP ban Seal hunting?? Where is proof?

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Stockholm wrote:

Todd Russell is already "breaking ranks" by pointedly refusing to endorse Yvonne Jones - why not go all the way and endorse someone else?

Simple answer, Libs hate New Democrats. Its about POWER! There isn NOTHING else to understand. The Libs guard access to POWER jealouusly. There is no way they'd do anything that would open a door to the New Dems. Nope, won't happen. Russel will say nothing to the contrary. Period.

Stockholm

I former Liberal cabinet minister in New Brunswick Kelly lamrock just announced he was joining the NDP...so these things do hapen.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

A former Charest cabinet minister leads the NDP. Two former NDP Premiers were the mainstay of the Liberal front benches over the last decade. So indeed these things happen.  The closer the parties crowd around the centre the easier it gets for the politicos to switch parties since they obviously see little difference.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

Todd Russell is already "breaking ranks" by pointedly refusing to endorse Yvonne Jones - why not go all the way and endorse someone else?

Simple answer, Libs hate New Democrats. Its about POWER! There isn NOTHING else to understand. The Libs guard access to POWER jealouusly. There is no way they'd do anything that would open a door to the New Dems. Nope, won't happen. Russel will say nothing to the contrary. Period.

Or, I may be wrong and he's simply angry about it. I mean he did say to the effect, "she should have just waited until I DECIDED if I WAS GOING TO RUN AGAIN". Also translated as NO ONE gets to decide anything until I MAKE UP MY MIND FIRST. Translated as sit down, shut up, and I'll tell YOU what to do! 

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

A former Charest cabinet minister leads the NDP. Two former NDP Premiers were the mainstay of the Liberal front benches over the last decade. So indeed these things happen.  The closer the parties crowd around the centre the easier it gets for the politicos to switch parties since they obviously see little difference.

Now, if you are right about this, then I guess if Tom wins and I get quickly dissapointed with him governing as a Lib, I'll do what I said on here I would do and simply stop voting.

knownothing knownothing's picture

Look at it this way Arthur:

If Mulcair and the NDP win, it could be the only left-wing government we are going to see in Ottawa in our lifetime.

We cannot blow the opportunity. We need everyone to be involved.

First, we need to win. Hopefully we can do that without giving in too much to powerful interests.

Once we win, we need all lefties within and outside the NDP to pressure Mulcair and the NDP to stay true to NDP principles.

It's not going to be perfect, I think we can see that already, but we are each responsible for what our government does, including you Arthur, even if you decide to quit voting.

Policywonk

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

Todd Russell is already "breaking ranks" by pointedly refusing to endorse Yvonne Jones - why not go all the way and endorse someone else?

Simple answer, Libs hate New Democrats. Its about POWER! There isn NOTHING else to understand. The Libs guard access to POWER jealouusly. There is no way they'd do anything that would open a door to the New Dems. Nope, won't happen. Russel will say nothing to the contrary. Period.

I think if we are honest with ourselves, most New Democrats don't think much of Liberals either. Hate is a pretty strong word though.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Policywonk wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

Todd Russell is already "breaking ranks" by pointedly refusing to endorse Yvonne Jones - why not go all the way and endorse someone else?

Simple answer, Libs hate New Democrats. Its about POWER! There isn NOTHING else to understand. The Libs guard access to POWER jealouusly. There is no way they'd do anything that would open a door to the New Dems. Nope, won't happen. Russel will say nothing to the contrary. Period.

I think if we are honest with ourselves, most New Democrats don't think much of Liberals either. Hate is a pretty strong word though.

OK, I agree Hate is a pretty strong  word. How about complete and total patronizingly disdainful and scornful instead? And I am not being sarcastic. As for me, I pretty much HATE Lib Politicians, party insiders, and most party members. I have posted that I don't have many friends who are Libs; for me it is a question of morality. Allowing implementation of policies that make people suffer in the name of "prgamatism", in the name of being "fiscally Conservative and Social Progressive (whatever the hell that means!!!!), is beyond my ability to either understand, condone or refrain from calling out. Especially since organizations like the CCPA have offered other ways of achieving the same goals without hurting oridinary, powerless Canadians, the most, over and over without LPC politicians even so much as saying Boo!

janfromthebruce

Brachina wrote:
http://fishermansroad.blogspot.ca/2013/03/labrador-ndp-candidate-harry-b... An edorsement from Ryan Cleary in the comnon.

While the Conservatives field a self-admitted law breaker and a divided Liberal party squabbles over their candidate, New Democrats are proud to offer a positive alternative who Labradorians can trust.

And a candidate who will put Labrador first.

Touché - hitting 2 birds with one stone, NDP style!

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

So arthur why do you think the former Charest minister who was at the table when the LPQ slashed and cut programs and services is going to be any different if he is elected?  If Todd Russell decided to support the NDP I suspect you would be gleeful just like the Liberals were when they got Rae and Dosanjh to run for them. Pragmatism after all is the new NDP catchphrase.  Mulcair's support for imperial wars and corporate rights agreements and bitumen pipelines tells me all I need to know about their commitment to progressive policies that can make a difference.

All the parties are now playing the win at all costs game. I am a dinosaur who still believes that fighting for left wing ideals is a good in and of itself because without that voice in the debate it moves the discourse to the right of centre "liberal" world view.  I got called a racist for telling people that Ujjal was a liberal and had no socialistic or social democratic leanings. Corky was my kind of NDP'er.  Imagine my "surprise" when Ujjal started telling people he always was a liberal and only ever ran for the NDP for pragmatic reasons.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

K, no, I wouldn't want Russel's support; I'd laugh though. As to how bad the NDP might be, I have said it before and I say again, if they end up being like the Libs, I'll stop voting. What part of this is hard to understand?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

You live in Manitoba and had Doer as a Premier thats the part I don't understand.

Wink

Ippurigakko

Harry post on his twitter http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2361567736/

 

I cant hear the sounds... I wish it was subtitle on it.... Can anyone write here when u hear what they say?

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

You live in Manitoba and had Doer as a Premier thats the part I don't understand.

Wink

Yep, I voted for Doer. Yep, that's a contradiction. Yep, I vote for Selinger. Yep, that's a contradiction. Yep, we have insane Tories in the province. Yep, I voted to stop insane Tories. Yep, provincial things affect me more at this point in my life. Yep, I am all over the place. Yep, seems odd. Yep, gonna keep voting NDP here. Yep, want MB Hydro to stay MB Hydro, not Gary Filman resource management services. Yep, my vote has a bigger impact here. Yep, gonna vote. Nope, don't see the contradiction. Yep, there isn't one. Or as the space guys say from Seasame Steet, "yep, yep, yep, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh"!

Ippurigakko

enough guys..... go tea break!

socialdemocrati...

In short my lifetime, my province has been governed by Bob Rae, Mike Harris, and Dalton McGuinty. Gary Doer is far from ideal, but I WISH Ontario had problems like Gary Doer as Premier.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Ip, you are right. Sorry.

clockwise

Ippurigakko wrote:

Harry post on his twitter http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2361567736/

 

I cant hear the sounds... I wish it was subtitle on it.... Can anyone write here when u hear what they say?

Harry said:

"We kick started this campaign before the election was even called and having our leader here - Thomas Mulcair - it just shows you that the NDP cares about Labrador and it cares about this election and we're going to win this election there is no doubt in my mind.  My name is Harry Borlasse. I was raised in Labrador.  Any discussion you've otherwise is not true.  I grew up in Goose Bay.  I have strong connections here.  If Labrador isn't home, nowhere is.  I'm very excited to be back.  I've always maintained that when I had a family I wanted to have the privilege of raising my child the same way that I was raised.  Politics is a new game for me as well and my passion for actually doing this comes from the fact that I love the land, I love the people and the culture and the history of this place.  I'm tired of the old politics that Labrador has been stuck in for so long.  I think I have a new vision and vigor and, quite frankly, a new determination that Labradorians haven't seen in awhile.  I'm really excited to show that and get out into the communities.   To be able to start in Lab-west with such a successful day meeting with so many great groups around town I know that something special is about to happen.

I believe that NDP values are essentially Labrador values.  We believe in strong and healthy communities.  We believe in resource projects that benefit Labradorians first.  In being able to ensure that there is adequate employment and health and safety on-site.... you know... things like procurement processes and business development opportunities outside resource development... these are all things that are fundamental values for Labradorians that the NDP also cares about.

The way I'm approaching this is that I don't really know what it is like to be a politician so I am going to reinvent what it is to be a politician.  During this campaign I don't intend to go into communities and know what all the solutions are.  I want to have this as an open dialog with everybody.  That started today by hearing about a number of issues in Lab-West that haven't been addressed in the past, primarily in the last few years under the Conservatives.  Like the dust issue.  It's a fundamental issue that... environmental safety... health and well-being those are things that the NDP cares about.  Foreign workers flying out... you want to ensure that there is employment for local people.  That local people just aren't employed, but that the wages are good and they can afford to live in a home.  Because that's another huge issue within Lab-West and the whole region.  We need a national housing strategy and the NDP has one ready to go.  We're raring to go... we kick-started this already and as far as I'm concerned we're leading the pack.

So... I'm totally honored to be here and excited for what's to come.  This is absolutely a group effort.  I can't do this myself and I have no intention of doing so.  So the way the NDP is going to win is by all of us doing it together.  Thank you very much and I look forward to talking to many of you today or this evening..."

Ippurigakko

clockwise wrote:

Ippurigakko wrote:

Harry post on his twitter http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2361567736/

 

I cant hear the sounds... I wish it was subtitle on it.... Can anyone write here when u hear what they say?

Harry said:

"We kick started this campaign before the election was even called and having our leader here - Thomas Mulcair - it just shows you that the NDP cares about Labrador and it cares about this election and we're going to win this election there is no doubt in my mind.  My name is Harry Borlasse. I was raised in Labrador.  Any discussion you've otherwise is not true.  I grew up in Goose Bay.  I have strong connections here.  If Labrador isn't home, nowhere is.  I'm very excited to be back.  I've always maintained that when I had a family I wanted to have the privilege of raising my child the same way that I was raised.  Politics is a new game for me as well and my passion for actually doing this comes from the fact that I love the land, I love the people and the culture and the history of this place.  I'm tired of the old politics that Labrador has been stuck in for so long.  I think I have a new vision and vigor and, quite frankly, a new determination that Labradorians haven't seen in awhile.  I'm really excited to show that and get out into the communities.   To be able to start in Lab-west with such a successful day meeting with so many great groups around town I know that something special is about to happen.

I believe that NDP values are essentially Labrador values.  We believe in strong and healthy communities.  We believe in resource projects that benefit Labradorians first.  In being able to ensure that there is adequate employment and health and safety on-site.... you know... things like procurement processes and business development opportunities outside resource development... these are all things that are fundamental values for Labradorians that the NDP also cares about.

The way I'm approaching this is that I don't really know what it is like to be a politician so I am going to reinvent what it is to be a politician.  During this campaign I don't intend to go into communities and know what all the solutions are.  I want to have this as an open dialog with everybody.  That started today by hearing about a number of issues in Lab-West that haven't been addressed in the past, primarily in the last few years under the Conservatives.  Like the dust issue.  It's a fundamental issue that... environmental safety... health and well-being those are things that the NDP cares about.  Foreign workers flying out... you want to ensure that there is employment for local people.  That local people just aren't employed, but that the wages are good and they can afford to live in a home.  Because that's another huge issue within Lab-West and the whole region.  We need a national housing strategy and the NDP has one ready to go.  We're raring to go... we kick-started this already and as far as I'm concerned we're leading the pack.

So... I'm totally honored to be here and excited for what's to come.  This is absolutely a group effort.  I can't do this myself and I have no intention of doing so.  So the way the NDP is going to win is by all of us doing it together.  Thank you very much and I look forward to talking to many of you today or this evening..."

 

THANK YOU FOR WRITING! GOOD TO HEAR!

 

Agree with him.... Labrador need NDP seat.... time to change...i can feel he will win.....

 

THANK YOU!!!!

Debater

Yvonne Jones' farewell speech in the House of Assembly, March 27 2013: 

(relevant portion starts at 2:47:30).

http://archive.isiglobal.ca/vod/nfld/archive_2013-03-27-high.mp4.html

If she leaves, the House of Assembly will not be the same.  She has been a member since 1996 and has had a big impact as well as enduring challenges such as fighting cancer.  She got a nice applause from her colleagues. Smile

jerrym

Ippurigakko wrote:

Harry post on his twitter http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2361567736/

 

I cant hear the sounds... I wish it was subtitle on it.... Can anyone write here when u hear what they say?

 

Thanks Ippurigakko for posting this. It confirms the impression I had from listening to earlier broadcasts that Harry is an excellent communicator with a great sense of the issues facing Labrador. Furthermore, it demonstrates that he is interested in two-way communication with voters because he knows he doesn't have all the answers, unlike some politicians. Tom's presence at such an early stage of the campaign shows that he is putting the full force of the NDP into supporting Harry. 

Brachina

Ippurigakko wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=562259837129549&set=a.4998412500...

Really? is he imply that NDP ban Seal hunting?? Where is proof?

 

I'm shocked too, I mean a conservative MP lying and being dishonest about his oppenants and thier positions? Who would have seen that coming ;p

Ippurigakko

Yeah... Peter Penashue is very same my MP Leona Aglukkaq.....

 

Oh bad news for Yvonne Jones

someone comment her fb page she says

Yvonne I am so disappointed you are running for the federal by election. We have much more important issues to deal with here in the province, at the provincial level, especially in light of the recent severe cuts. The state of our roads and health care are prime examples(mental health care is non existant) Since my son started school he hasn't had a single visit from the school's speech language pathologist because there is only one for the entire school board, and now there is even a possibility that his child/behaviour management specialist may lose her job. You have represented us so well,who will replace you if you win. I am so disappointed I may not even vote for you this time.

Island Red

Debater wrote:

Yvonne Jones' farewell speech in the House of Assembly. If she leaves, the House of Assembly will not be the same. She has been a member since 1996 and has had a big impact as well as enduring challenges such as fighting cancer.She got a nice applause from her colleagues.


I guess Jones wasn't all bad. But a good number of those clinging dry handkerchiefs will be breathing sighs of relief - including many of her caucus-mates.

Debater

I'm supporting Yvonne Jones to become the First Woman MP in Labrador's history!  

How about other Babblers?  How many will get behind Yvonne Jones, and how many will support the white male running for the NDP?  

I'm proud to support Yvonne Jones on her courageous journey after fighting breast cancer, and I want to see her beat the 2 males running for the Conservatives and NDP!

So as I head off for an Easter Break, here's to hoping we see the first woman MP in Labrador's history! Smile

Liberals name Jones as candidate in Labrador byelection

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2013/03/27/nl-...

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Easter Break Debater, I thought you were a lawyer. How old are you. What do you really do for a living? Are you in school, or do you teach? If you are teaching, I can't possibly imagine what it could be. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Oh by the way, how can you support the white male for leader of your party when there is a woman? You have a choice. You talk too much Debater. All we have to do is give you enough rope and you hang yourself everytime. Unless I am wrong, you are going to support one of the four women over Le Dauphin, righ? Or is supporting a women only matter when its about Liberals gaining power.

Seriously Mac, you should talk a lot less. I'm no genius, but you know what, you just aren't all that smart. 

adma

Debater wrote:

I'm supporting Yvonne Jones to become the First Woman MP in Labrador's history!  

How about other Babblers?  How many will get behind Yvonne Jones, and how many will support the white male running for the NDP?  

 

If it were all about women vs white males, then we know who we should have supported in the UK in 1979, 1983, 1987...;-)

Brachina

Debaters just baiting people, don't fall for his silliness.

janfromthebruce

Brachina wrote:

Debaters just baiting people, don't fall for his silliness.

exactly.

knownothing knownothing's picture

If people truly want to get rid of Harper and the Cons, they just need to vote NDP in the next election and preceding byelections. This needs to happen in every riding even if the NDP are "going to lose". This means that we have to do away completely with strategic voting. If someone even mentions it, it should be strickened from the conversation. Every vote gets us closer to our goal. It doesn't matter what riding it comes in.

 

 

greyscale

Hey everyone! I am a new rabble user, but I am from Labrador and I am very interested in this up-coming byelection. I'll be posting everything I hear about the election, candidates, predictions, etc. here. From what I am hearing right now, it's anyone's seat to take, but Yvonne Jones is an extremely popular politician back home, so it'll be tough to beat her. 

JKR

Why is she popular?

greyscale

She has been a very visible member of the community for a long time, she was a business owner in one of the most remote areas of Labrador before that -- close ties still exist there. She actually won her riding as an Independent when she lost the Liberal riding nomination and then joined the Liberal caucus later. She's articulate, tough, and fair, for the most part. Also the riding in general is very pro-Liberal. I think she is definitely the front-runner.

janfromthebruce

Well greyscale, she hasn't finished with her nomination yet, so she can't be a front runner. Also, if the liberals are so popular, why is the NDP provincially polling in first place, ahead of the PCs and the Liberals?

Ippurigakko

Yeah, she is in her riding cartwright, not other ridings labrador west/lake melville are non-liberal seats but notice lab-west and lake melville are strong NDP second place.

Remember in Kitchener-Waterloo NDP won in by-election, used to be third in general elections...... it is could happen in Labrador by-election, NDP would win.

janfromthebruce

And welcome greyscale

greyscale

Thanks for the welcome!

She is finished with her nomination, for all intents and purposes. The Liberal Party has said she will be the nominee. Also the NDP are polling in first place, in my own opinion, because of the fatigue with the PC's and the general surge of NDP credibility in Atlantic Canada, but I think to equate a provincial poll that shows the NDP in first place for the first time ever with a popular MHA with decades of experience in a riding that is very friendly to the Liberals is to equate apples and oranges. 

I'm not saying that Labrador can't go the NDP, I've always thought that it seemed a natural constituency for the New Democrats. I'm just saying that on the ground, and based on precedent, the NDP will have to work very hard to win this one. I wish them luck.

greyscale

Ippurigakko, while it's true that the Liberals may not have been provincially popular in two of four Labrador ridings, the fact is that they possess 2/4 ridings provincially, have a long history in the riding federally, and Jones is personally popular. I think she's a formidable candidate. I've not heard anyone in my hometown (Happy Valley-Goose Bay, in Lake Melville) complain openly about her.

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