Leading up to the election debates

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In my experience it's really rightwing people who are happy at the thought of Quebec leaving, which sort of reinforces our desire to leave.

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Anonymouse wrote:

Lol. Stockholm is right. The people with the most antipathy towards Quebec that I have met, all want it to separate. Whenever someone says but..but..but what about the separatists this or that, these people say "Good! Let them separate. I don't care how or why they do it, just let it happen and please don't bore me with the details."

The people that do care about Quebec are apalled whenever the separatists do x or y, and see Duceppe as the enemy. They see the BQ (which Duceppe is an extension of) as everything from disloyal to actively damaging the wider country.

So I guess you've never met anyone who loves Québec, opposes its separation from Canada, and (sometimes) votes BQ federally and QS provincially? Everyone you know either (a) hates Québec, or (b) hates the separatists?

Let me buy you a beer sometime. And I'll be bringing a whole lot of friends with me (I'm not paying for them) who will surprise you.

 

 

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

In my experience it's really rightwing people who are happy at the thought of Quebec leaving, which sort of reinforces our desire to leave.

Thanks BB, for that note of reality. I will only add this: It's also really rightwing people who see Gilles Duceppe as "the enemy" - because they pretend to care more about where a border runs than about the future of workers, youth, women, the poor, racialized, indigenous, and marginalized people throughout Canada.

Stockholm

We were talking about people OUTSIDE Quebec watching the debate. No one outside Quebec can vote BQ or QS even if they wanted to!

Anonymouse

Yeah, I was talking about people outside of Quebec. In QC, the left-right and oui-non axes needn't line up.

As for more right wingers wanting QC to separate, that has been my experience too, but I have also met a lot of people of other political stripes that feel that way, including NDPers- particularly the Western NDP-Conservative swing vote demographic (e.g. working class, school of hard knocks types). As for seeing Duceppe as the enemy, this is pretty universal. I wish I had a nickel for every time someone came to me in surprise over some issue that seemed to indicate to them that Duceppe wasn't a monster after all and these are progressives! My NDP MP even said that to me after a few months in Ottawa!

The fact of the matter is, every time Quebec votes for a federalist party it is good for "unity" not just "in Quebec" but across the country. People outside of Quebec and without the language skills to access the perspective there have these ridiculous little epiphanies like, wow people aren't that different from us in Quebec after all.

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Stockholm wrote:

We were talking about people OUTSIDE Quebec watching the debate. No one outside Quebec can vote BQ or QS even if they wanted to!

So to repeat: Everyone OUTSIDE Québec either (a) hates Québec and wants it to leave asap; or (b) hates Duceppe because he's a separatist?

Just to be very clear, I think this view does not reflect any reality. It's like saying that all Canadians either hate immigrants and want them to leave, or love immigrants and want them to abandon any trace of their heritage.

My experience is that the politicians of the wealthy classes like to paint the unwashed masses as harbouring all these ignorant and brutal views. That way, they can blame the victims for their crimes. When I hear progressive people conducting "analysis" in this fashion, I see the problem as lying elsewhere.

 

 

Anonymouse

There are a small number of people that fall in category (a), there are a large number that either fear or hate Duceppe/the BQ let's call them category (b), there is a very small number that like Duceppe/BQ call them (c), and the by far the largest group are (d) people that just don't want to think about it (hard to blame them).

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Stockholm wrote:
We were talking about people OUTSIDE Quebec watching the debate. No one outside Quebec can vote BQ or QS even if they wanted to!

Nevertheless I have met several people here in Edmonton that said they wished that they could vote for the Bloc. Ditto for BC.

When you generalize based on where peoiple live, you miss the mark.

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"The U.S. standard of living is 22 per cent higher than our Canadian standard of living and the spread continues to increase."
Who is mister US? How is his standard of living measured?

 

"Bank Of Canada including debt, currency and banking"
Thats a centralized system, a monopoly, and it does not adress the issue of private Fractional Reserve Banking. Imo, Each province should be able to issue its own money for infrastructure and production, and each city should do the same as per the Worgl experiment in Austria during the Great Depression which trigered prosperity but was sabbotaged by the monopolistic Austrian Central Bank.

Ghislaine

Didn't the Bloc once run a candidate in NB?

Ghislaine

Didn't the Bloc once run a candidate in NB?

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