Liberal misogynists spew hate against Ruth Ellen Brosseau

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Liberal misogynists spew hate against Ruth Ellen Brosseau

Its really shocking how the Liberals take the "Protect the King" to such an extreme that the Liberal social media posters in facebook and twitter have gone berzerk with sexist hateful rants aimed at Ruth Ellen Brosseau - leave it to the Liberals to attack the young single mother

http://www.matness.ca/en/mathieu-murphy-perron-sexist-elbowgate-backlash...

I could post some of what is in this compendium of hate in this link - but some of it is violent and hateful that I'm afraid it might be too upsetting to readers of babble.

 

Stockholm

Liberal supporters are HYPER sensitive about anyone implying that Trudeau "the Sun King" might be less than perfect. The extreme violent, hateful way that Liberals react to any criticism of their GOD - is very reminiscent of the violent hateful way that Ford Nation would react to every criticism of Rob Ford or the way that Trump supporters get nasty and violent when anyonbe criticizes "the Donald".

My advice to members of the Trudeau "cult" is suck it up buttercup - and the fact that your first reaction is to spew hate speech at a woman speaks voilumes about what you really believe in. 

Basement Dweller

I'm not going to post it, but I came across a bizarre conspiracy theory video about REB and the NDP. Trudeau supporters hanging out with right-wing nutcases. Nice.

Ed Vella

Justin had a hissy fit, and bulldozed his way through pariliament, shoving a woman in the process. While we all know this to be he facts of the incident the negative reaction towards Brosseau shouldn't come as a surprise after the Jian verdict. 

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Apparently,it's no big deal according to CTV Montreal's executive producer Barry Wilson

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/postscript-we-all-knew-some-days-would-be-les...

Stockholm

alan smithee wrote:

Apparently,it's no big deal according to CTV Montreal's executive producer Barry Wilson

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/postscript-we-all-knew-some-days-would-be-les...

If its "no big deal" why are all these Liberal supporters flooding social media with violent, sexist hate messages targetting Ruth Ellen Brosseau??

Basement Dweller

They are scared of REB. They know she has potential as an NDP leader down the road.

Unionist

Basement Dweller wrote:

They are scared of REB. They know she has potential as an NDP leader down the road.

Correct. And these social media attacks are not only targetting her, but the whole NDP caucus, including Mulcair, for using stunts to push their agenda in the House. Here's the message: "None of them is fit to be a Prime Minister!!" Delicious irony, given Trudeau's distinctly non-"Prime-Ministerial" actions. And it provides for creative footage to be used in negative attack ads in future - if needed.

The sad thing is that just because something terrible happens, it doesn't mean we all have to react to it. We should stick to our agenda. Convincing every Canadian that Trudeau is a violent misogynist isn't going to happen, nor (if it did) will it lead to significant progress in our society.

On the other hand, this incident has opened the floodgates to dangerous and ugly anti-woman propaganda. What's the best way to defeat that and close this chapter?

 

6079_Smith_W

Stockholm wrote:

If its "no big deal" why are all these Liberal supporters flooding social media with violent, sexist hate messages targetting Ruth Ellen Brosseau??

You think "Yung Testicle" is treasurer of the local riding association? I think the real lesson in misogyny is that the internet doesn't need a partisan reason for a sexist pile on.

As for the partisan crap, shovel as much as you want, but I don't think anyone is coming off smelling like roses here.

(edit)

And Unionist, I agree about this being a sad distraction from the important issue they were debating.

 

 

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Stockholm wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Apparently,it's no big deal according to CTV Montreal's executive producer Barry Wilson

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/postscript-we-all-knew-some-days-would-be-les...

If its "no big deal" why are all these Liberal supporters flooding social media with violent, sexist hate messages targetting Ruth Ellen Brosseau??

Those were not MY words....I was quoting Barry Wilson.

mark_alfred
bekayne

Stockholm wrote:

Its really shocking how the Liberals take the "Protect the King" to such an extreme that the Liberal social media posters in facebook and twitter have gone berzerk with sexist hateful rants aimed at Ruth Ellen Brosseau - leave it to the Liberals to attack the young single mother

Another thing-what the hell does her marital status have to do with anything?

bekayne

Stockholm wrote:

Its really shocking how the Liberals take the "Protect the King" to such an extreme that the Liberal social media posters in facebook and twitter have gone berzerk with sexist hateful rants aimed at Ruth Ellen Brosseau - leave it to the Liberals to attack the young single mother

http://www.matness.ca/en/mathieu-murphy-perron-sexist-elbowgate-backlash...

I could post some of what is in this compendium of hate in this link - but some of it is violent and hateful that I'm afraid it might be too upsetting to readers of babble.

 

There are 22 twitter accounts quoted in that article. I looked at all of them. Almost all of them had no mention of Trudeau, the Liberal Party, Canadian politics. If there was any mention of politics, it was about Donald Trump. The author of the post doesn't call them Liberal supporters. Only you do. So here some of your "Liberal supporters"

unpleasant Nerd@unpleasantnerdz

I hate trudeau

Esme Cull@LifeIsHockey12

I am officially never voting NDP again

PM @JustinTrudeau, finally showed some balls

Quebec@Poutine_News

Can't believe all the outrage over the PM grabbing somebody. We've become wimps. JT elected now that's outrage.

jay@jaygorospe24

Trump 2016

Pondering

Stockholm wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Apparently,it's no big deal according to CTV Montreal's executive producer Barry Wilson

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/postscript-we-all-knew-some-days-would-be-les...

If its "no big deal" why are all these Liberal supporters flooding social media with violent, sexist hate messages targetting Ruth Ellen Brosseau??

How are you identifying them as Liberal supporters? They sound more like MRA's to me. Would be great if we could get back to politics but obviously the NDP would rather play tabloid news than serve Canadians.

Unionist

Wow - an opportunity for Rona Ambrose and Lisa Raitt to look good. Scary.

mark_alfred

Stockholm wrote:

http://www.matness.ca/en/mathieu-murphy-perron-sexist-elbowgate-backlash...

I could post some of what is in this compendium of hate in this link - but some of it is violent and hateful that I'm afraid it might be too upsetting to readers of babble.

I agree the examples of hate are gruesome, and need not be copied here.  The text at the bottom is good though:

Quote:

Over the last few hours, I have seen dozens of contacts posting articles and statuses mocking Brosseau and the NDP. None as wretched as what I found after 30 minutes of using a coupla search engines, but all nevertheless complicit in building an all too common sexist narrative of women as duplicitous, manipulative liars.

Make no mistake about it, the backlash against Brosseau is deeply, unquestionably sexist and plays into traditional victim blaming tropes.

And while Prime Minister Trudeau’s elbowing of Brosseau was unintentional, his uncalled for and unprofessional actions lead to bodily harm against an officemate.

Cussingly storming over to a colleague, angrily grabbing them without consent and knocking into other colleagues in the process is unquestionably unacceptable behaviour that should not be tolerated in any workplace. Prime Minister Trudeau knows this and has apologized accordingly.

Brosseau is not calling for Trudeau’s resignation, filing criminal charges against him or requesting EI compensation for a work accident, yet she’s being treated like a pariah for the second time in her political career. Why? Because she dared express that she was physically and emotionally rattled by the affair? No, it’s because we’re a deeply effed up sexist mess of a society.

The House of Commons, like many other workplaces, is deeply and structurally sexist. Women MPs  put up with a whole slew of garbage behaviour from their counterparts and constituents daily.

It’s not too much to ask that parliamentarians refrain from engaging in physical altercations in the heat of the moment. It’s not too much to ask people to labour for safe(r) work environments.

Social media does not give you carte blanche to be a jerk, so how ’bout we (try to) stop being complicit in upholding violent patriarchal norms by not jumping down a women’s throat when she’s had a really bad day at the office?

Stockholm

Pondering wrote:

How are you identifying them as Liberal supporters?

Of course they are Liberals. I suspect most of them are junior staffers in the PMO who are enfuriated that Ruth Ellen Brosseau dared to strike the "Dear Leader"'s elbow with her chest!

Stockholm

6079_Smith_W wrote:

You think "Yung Testicle" is treasurer of the local riding association?

 

I assumed it was a pseudonym for Gerald Butts

bekayne

Unionist wrote:

Wow - an opportunity for Rona Ambrose and Lisa Raitt to look good. Scary.

The same Lisa Raitt who compared Trudeau to Jian Ghomeshi in a tweet (which she later deleted)?

bekayne

Stockholm wrote:

Pondering wrote:

How are you identifying them as Liberal supporters?

Of course they are Liberals. I suspect most of them are junior staffers in the PMO who are enfuriated that Ruth Ellen Brosseau dared to strike the "Dear Leader"'s elbow with her chest!

Right. They set up these phony Twitter accounts before Trudeau even became leader, filled them with tweets about everything except Canadian politics, just for this day. That's a theory that would blow David Ickes' mind.

bekayne

Stockholm wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

You think "Yung Testicle" is treasurer of the local riding association?

 

I assumed it was a pseudonym for Gerald Butts

No, his is "Yung Prostate"

Unionist

bekayne wrote:

Unionist wrote:

Wow - an opportunity for Rona Ambrose and Lisa Raitt to look good. Scary.

The same Lisa Raitt who compared Trudeau to Jian Ghomeshi in a tweet (which she later deleted)?

Yeah, and the same Rona Ambrose who voted "yes" to study whether a foetus was really a human being.

This toxic incident should be, but won't be, forgotten, and we should get back to the real issues facing the Canadian people.

 

Pondering

Unionist wrote:

Basement Dweller wrote:

They are scared of REB. They know she has potential as an NDP leader down the road.

Correct. And these social media attacks are not only targetting her, but the whole NDP caucus, including Mulcair, for using stunts to push their agenda in the House. Here's the message: "None of them is fit to be a Prime Minister!!" Delicious irony, given Trudeau's distinctly non-"Prime-Ministerial" actions. And it provides for creative footage to be used in negative attack ads in future - if needed.

The sad thing is that just because something terrible happens, it doesn't mean we all have to react to it. We should stick to our agenda. Convincing every Canadian that Trudeau is a violent misogynist isn't going to happen, nor (if it did) will it lead to significant progress in our society.

On the other hand, this incident has opened the floodgates to dangerous and ugly anti-woman propaganda. What's the best way to defeat that and close this chapter?

Yeah, congratulations NDP. The NDP was and is stupid to think that they could use this to damage Trudeau. I and many other women are of the opinion that the NDP is using violence against women as a political football to advance the interests of the NDP not women.

also:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/joshua-ostroff/elbowgate-assisted-dying_b_1...

Can we discuss the privilege involved in calling an accidental elbow "deeply traumatic" during a debate on an assisted-dying bill? ‪

I think it's clear that everyone was in the wrong in this #Elbowgate fiasco. I'm not going to defend the Prime Minister for giving into his frustration and wading into what grown-up parliamentarian Elizabeth May described as "mischief" on the floor, or for frustrating the opposition in the first place by trying to limit debate.

....

The eventual blow-up was a result of, as May also described it in an ironic turn-of-phrase, "a tit for tat escalation" of political squabbling. It began with the Liberals' nearly lost vote on Monday and ended on Wednesday night with NDP and Conservative delay tactics worthy of a kindergartner who moves in slow-mo because they don't want to go to bed.

Something got lost in all this childish behaviour, especially once Tom Mulcair transitioned from apparently laughing at Trudeau losing his cool to losing his own cool and screaming that the Prime Minister was "pathetic" for accidentally elbowing NDP MP Ruth Ellen Brosseau in the chest.

(And to give May one more word here, the Green Party leader who owes nobody anything was right there and confirmed it was clearly "unintentional.")

What got lost was the bill they were debating, Bill C-14, the government's assisted-dying legislation.

And it fell further from prominence once the NDP, the party that allegedly wants to make this bill better, saw an opportunity to use the accident as political leverage against the Prime Minister and perhaps for their own leadership ambitions.

"I want to say that for all of us who witnessed this, this was deeply traumatic," said NDP MP Niki Ashton, adding she was "ashamed" to have seen it.

Well, that's not what she should be ashamed about.

You know what is actually deeply traumatic? How about being a person in so much pain and suffering that you want the help of the state to end your life.

But Ashton did not take this opportunity to attack the Liberal government for their doctor-assisted suicide legislation being too restrictive.

It isn't the fault of Liberals or Trudeau that the NDP lost this election. It is due to the stupidity of the people leading the NDP. Have they advanced the cause of ending violence against women? No, they set it back. REB would never make it to work if she had to use the metro during rush hour.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lauren-messervey/trudeau-elbow-gate_b_10057...

The whole thing made me laugh. To turn a whole discussion of appropriate behavior in the House of Commons into a question of gender politics is like pouring gasoline on a half-hearted campfire. This was one of the first times when I fully disagreed with our prime minister's initial actions, but the quick and stormy actions of the Conservatives and NDP turned a reasonable concern into a farce. It's the overly polite, overly politically correct narrative that turns Canada into one giant joke for the rest of the world. This time, I was laughing with them.

And all of that got me thinking.

The country has been pretty harsh on the Trudeau family recently. It seems as though our "Commander-in-Chief" and his "First Lady" haven't been able to do anything right. First, Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau can't have a nanny, then the Trudeaus can't go on vacation, then Trudeau is doing too much for refugees and not enough for Fort McMurray, then Gregoire-Trudeau has no right to ask for help with her busy schedule, and NOW, it's Elbowgate. "He MUST be perfect!" the Canadian public seems to cry, because isn't that what he marketed himself as at the beginning? How enraging to us that he's a politician, and not the reincarnation of Jesus Christ.

Oh, Canada. How lucky you are to have such problems.

REB seems to be a lovely woman but anyone male or female that is too fragile to take public transportation is too fragile to be in the HoC. I could just see her getting to work. "Sorry, I was accidently elbowed in the chest on the Metro so I have to take the day off to recover emotionally."

You should be mad at the NDP for making a laughing stock of the party. If the NDP isn't already at rock bottom expect them to lose even more support than they have already. Canadians on the left need a serious party to support them and right now that isn't the NDP. The NDP leadership is just playing team sports and totally uninterested in representing the interests of Canadians. They aren't really opposed to Trudeau's policies they just want to be the ones in charge.

 

Pondering

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/05/19/justin-trudeaus-elbow-thi_n_1004...

Justin Trudeau's House Of Commons Incident Gets Canada Some Worldwide Coverage

Think Canadians are happy about this coverage? NDP theatrics are going to hurt them not the Liberals or Trudeau and won't advance any Canadian interests so do tell me how the NDP benefits from the way they handled this incident.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I'm on the side with the opinion that the Commons should get back to business on real issues.

This is a distraction. BTW,Raitt and Ambrose are just pigs with lipstick

 

6079_Smith_W

I know this is a thread about misogyny alan, but do you realize what you just said?

Basement Dweller

Pondering wrote:

REB would never make it to work if she had to use the metro during rush hour.

Trudeau wouldn't if he rushed into crowds and started grabbing and elbowing people.

 

6079_Smith_W

This is getting a bit weird all around, and not just in the House.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I know this is a thread about misogyny alan, but do you realize what you just said?

I'm sorry. I didn't consciencely mean that in a misogynist way. It was attempt to trash those two twits. But just because you're female doesn't mean you cannot be trashed and I think those two I mentioned are very deserving of being ripped apart.

jjuares

I follow several sites and the ugly comments from Liberals is just breathtaking. Of course even on this site we have had to endure misogyny and sexism. I am struck by the irony of the fact that their messiah lost his temper and behaved in ways that damaged his reputation and his flock seem to be following the same path.Some of the Liberals I will never view quite the same. Another interesting side item is that going by the CBC and a large part of the chattering classes he seems to have lost their respect. The CBC ran an article in which they asked lawyers who all seem to say that Trudeau's actions were technically assault. Ouch
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-mps-elbow-assault-1.3590357

R.E.Wood

jjuares wrote:
The CBC ran an article in which they asked lawyers who all seem to say that Trudeau's actions were technically assault. Ouch
">http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-mps-elbow-assault-1.35903...

Ummm... did you read the article? 

Quote:

Elbowing no offence

Lerner and Spratt also agreed that the elbowing of Brosseau does not meet the definition of assault, even in the technical sense, because that requires intentional use of force.

If someone was engaging in morally reckless behaviour and their negligence resulted in serious injury, then they could be charged with criminal negligence causing bodily harm. That is not the case with the elbowing of Brosseau. 

"Even if she got bruised or something like that, it wouldn't meet the definition of criminal offence," Lerner said. "If his elbow accidently hits her when walking past her, you can't really say that's a crime."

Criminal defence lawyer Karen McArthur said that if Brown or Borsseau wanted to lay charges, they could appear before a justice of the peace, who in theory could say there is enough evidence to lay an assault charge.

"What would happen? Very quickly the Crown attorney would take a look at it and say, 'We're going to peace bond this or we're going to withdraw it based on [Trudeau's] immediate apology and remorse. Our criminal courts do use common sense."

McArthur said placing Trudeau's actions in the context of assault minimizes the real and bigger problem of violence and violence against women.

"You are doing a disservice to women and their children who have to drag themselves out of their homes with broken bones and broken souls," she said.

 

Pondering

mark_alfred wrote:

Stockholm wrote:

http://www.matness.ca/en/mathieu-murphy-perron-sexist-elbowgate-backlash...

I could post some of what is in this compendium of hate in this link - but some of it is violent and hateful that I'm afraid it might be too upsetting to readers of babble.

I agree the examples of hate are gruesome, and need not be copied here.  The text at the bottom is good though:

Quote:

Over the last few hours, I have seen dozens of contacts posting articles and statuses mocking Brosseau and the NDP. None as wretched as what I found after 30 minutes of using a coupla search engines, but all nevertheless complicit in building an all too common sexist narrative of women as duplicitous, manipulative liars.

Make no mistake about it, the backlash against Brosseau is deeply, unquestionably sexist and plays into traditional victim blaming tropes.

And while Prime Minister Trudeau’s elbowing of Brosseau was unintentional, his uncalled for and unprofessional actions lead to bodily harm against an officemate.

Cussingly storming over to a colleague, angrily grabbing them without consent and knocking into other colleagues in the process is unquestionably unacceptable behaviour that should not be tolerated in any workplace. Prime Minister Trudeau knows this and has apologized accordingly.

Brosseau is not calling for Trudeau’s resignation, filing criminal charges against him or requesting EI compensation for a work accident, yet she’s being treated like a pariah for the second time in her political career. Why? Because she dared express that she was physically and emotionally rattled by the affair? No, it’s because we’re a deeply effed up sexist mess of a society.

The House of Commons, like many other workplaces, is deeply and structurally sexist. Women MPs  put up with a whole slew of garbage behaviour from their counterparts and constituents daily.

It’s not too much to ask that parliamentarians refrain from engaging in physical altercations in the heat of the moment. It’s not too much to ask people to labour for safe(r) work environments.

Social media does not give you carte blanche to be a jerk, so how ’bout we (try to) stop being complicit in upholding violent patriarchal norms by not jumping down a women’s throat when she’s had a really bad day at the office?

I would have the exact same response if REB were a man. This is not about gender it's about the NDP over-dramatizing what happened and using violence against women in a manner that damages women.

Stockholm

Pondering wrote:

I would have the exact same response if REB were a man. This is not about gender it's about the NDP over-dramatizing what happened and using violence against women in a manner that damages women.

No, I think you believe that the sun shines out of Trudeau's asshole and you go berserk when anyone reproaches him for ANYTHING at all. Trudeau could declare himself a white supremacist and you would be here day in and day out faithfully parroting his talking points and being his apologist

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

This talk about charging Trudeau with assault is completely laughable. I watched the video over and over and it was not an intentional elbow,he made contact with her as he was pulling the Conservative whip. My guess is if Trudau could be charged with assault for accidental contact,I'd see scores of people getting charged with assault everyday riding the metro during rush hour.

However,insulting REB (most likely because she's a dipper,not a woman) is classless.

But why make a big deal over comments on a news page? Anyone who has surfed the net even if they just started 2 days ago,knows to always ignore the comments. I've never come across a comment section ,political or anything else, where misogynist,racist and plain assholery wasn't dominate.

Stockholm

Ruth Ellen says that her office has also received abusive phone calls and threats - I'm sure the Liberal apologists are delighted

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Stockholm wrote:

Ruth Ellen says that her office has also received abusive phone calls and threats - I'm sure the Liberal apologists are delighted

That's something I don't approve of. I don't know anyone who would go that far about something so banal.

I hope they find these callers and press charges.

Geoff

If Stephen Harper had done what Trudeau did, Liberals across the country would be demanding Harper be arrested and tried for attempted murder. My, how the worm turns.

Unionist

Ah, the partisan cheerleaders on all sides - making up their minds based on what's good for their parties! What a spectacle.

 

jjuares

R.E.Wood wrote:

jjuares wrote:
The CBC ran an article in which they asked lawyers who all seem to say that Trudeau's actions were technically assault. Ouch
">http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-mps-elbow-assault-1.35903...

Ummm... did you read the article? 

Quote:

Elbowing no offence

Lerner and Spratt also agreed that the elbowing of Brosseau does not meet the definition of assault, even in the technical sense, because that requires intentional use of force.

If someone was engaging in morally reckless behaviour and their negligence resulted in serious injury, then they could be charged with criminal negligence causing bodily harm. That is not the case with the elbowing of Brosseau. 

"Even if she got bruised or something like that, it wouldn't meet the definition of criminal offence," Lerner said. "If his elbow accidently hits her when walking past her, you can't really say that's a crime."

Criminal defence lawyer Karen McArthur said that if Brown or Borsseau wanted to lay charges, they could appear before a justice of the peace, who in theory could say there is enough evidence to lay an assault charge.

"What would happen? Very quickly the Crown attorney would take a look at it and say, 'We're going to peace bond this or we're going to withdraw it based on [Trudeau's] immediate apology and remorse. Our criminal courts do use common sense."

McArthur said placing Trudeau's actions in the context of assault minimizes the real and bigger problem of violence and violence against women.

"You are doing a disservice to women and their children who have to drag themselves out of their homes with broken bones and broken souls," she said.

 


Um, can you read? Or maybe you are intentionally trying to mislead. You conveniently quote the second part of the article and omit the first part where they talk about his assault on Brown and their opinion it is technically assault. Yes, the elbow was an accident. However, the actions with Brown were intentional and that it is why " technically assault". The article also says why he will never be charged. Your first clue should have been the title.
"Trudeau grab an assault? Maybe technically, but PM unlikely to be charged"

Misfit

The CBC article posted by JJuares is problematic for two reasons. One, it implies that only serious physical harm should constitute an assault. Secondly, it implies that only the contact with Brown should qualify as an assault. In the article, Criminal Defence Lawyer Karen MacArthur said, "You are doing a disservice to women and their children who have to drag themselves out of their homes with broken bones and broken souls" by supposedly suggesting that REB's contact was an assault. I find her comment to be mysogynistic. If a man hits me in the face but leaves no marks, then, according to her logic, I should be ashamed to call my incident an assault because people are being hit in the face that leaves bruises and cracked jaws. At what point, in Karen McArthur's opinion, do these acts of violence reach her own personal threshold of being considered an actual assault? Maybe it is not the degree of harm that is being inflicted but rather the intent of the perpetrator which should be in question to qualify if an assault took place. So JT got angry. And with fury, he stormed over to the opposition side of the House. Then he grabbed the Conservative whip and forced him to his seat without the whip's consent. That unwanted contact constitutes an assault. Because of JT's anger and deliberate intent to manhandle another person against his will, a female MP was also elbowed in the chest. Because of his anger and deliberate intent, the residual contact with the female MP also constitutes an assault because of Trudeau's anger and motive for being there in the first place. This is not the same as getting accidentally elbowed on the subway during rush hour. It is uncanny how the CBC can reduce themselves to such trash journalism. Hypothetical charges would likely not hold up in a court of law for the reasons outlined in the article, but this does not detract from the fact that an assault against both the whip and REB did actually take place.

Misfit

Also, it is worth noting how the tone and maturity of Justin Trudeau's apology changed from Wednesday evening to Thursday morning. It is evident that he had staffers and legal advisors counsel him inbetween those two House sitting periods.

lagatta

Montreal Simon's nasty post about REB: http://montrealsimon.blogspot.ca/2016/05/ruth-ellen-brosseau-now-shes-no...

She accepted Trudeau's apology. I'm sure Brosseau, who is definitely NOT a child of privilege like JT, has been on crowded buses several times in her life (the Bank bus in Ottawa gets ridiculous; that should be a tram at least, but a metro line would be merited along there too). But I'd yell too if another person elbowed me hard in the tits, even if it was an accident.

It is funny how she is getting called a cheap wench and a precious garden flower by the same misogynists.

Of course the Parliamentary circus is more than a bit of a sideshow and it is important to get back to the issues, in this case the Right to Die bill. But nasty misogyny is not a sideshow.

nicky

As a lawyer who has defended numerous assault charges let me provide a free legal opinion.

First, this is a fairly trivial assault which is unlikley to be prosecuted, especially in light of Trudeau's quick apology.

Still I  can see two legal routes to criminal liability WRT to the elbowing of Brossea. (The dragging of Brown, over his protests is more clearly an assault, though not  a very serious one.)

1. Lost in much of the coverage is Trudeau's remark "Get out of my fucking way", as  he charges across the floor. Although he may lack a specific intent to assault Brosseau a court might assume from this remark and his evident anger that he has a more general intent to come into physical cantact with anyone in his way. That would be a sufficient intent to support an assault chrge.

2. The doctrine of transferred intent. The usual example is if A shoots at B but kills C by mistake he is still guilty because his intent to kill B is transferred. So assuming Trudeau has the intent to assault Brown by dragging him, if he is violent towards Brosseau in pursuing that intention then an assault against Brosseau might be made out.

quizzical

thanks nicky so Liberals are victim blamming.

funny how some Liberal supporters are behaving worse than or just as bad as Harper's fanatic supporters. puts things in perspective for me.

and by things i mean how so many are saying 'nothing to see here move along there's more important things we should be paying attention to' . this trivializing of violence in the work place and the over arching misogyny expresssed to REB is a big deal.

it's a huge society ill.

it's something thousands of people experience daily and shouldn't have to.

stop trivializing it. 

 

 

 

lagatta

Ruth Ellen Brosseau accepted JT's apology, so unless the Tory Gordon Brown (always funny, that one) takes it to court, it is highly unlikely that any assault charge will be laid. She also made it clear that what happened to her was painful (same as a guy getting it in the nuts) it was not the same thing as sexual assaults or assaults on partners, and said that was a widespread and serious problem (I'm paraphrasing). But I'm really pissed off about how she is being treated by people for whom His Royal Hotness can do no wrong.

Edited to add: Ottawa Shitizen article quoting Brosseau: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/27do+have+justify+hard+breast+broussea...

quizzical

lagatta she's indicated she's accepted his public apology but indicated he has not contacted her privately. imv his apologies are non-apologies like his first one. he only did it because he knows he fucked up badly not out of remorse or understanding of actions.

he like his fanatical supporters have no understanding outside their sense of privilege.

nittanylionstorm07

You guys should go take a gander at the /r/canada sub on reddit.  I thought it was bad when paid Liberal social media shills flooded the place during the election and controlling a pro-Liberal, anti-depressants debate... But my god... The level they've sunk to in this incident is vomit inducing.  Now you have them pretending they were ever NDP supporters in the first place revoking their support, victim blaming/shaming REB, etc. 

quizzical

we've the same pretense happening here all the time. like they think people are too stupid to realize they're shills paid or not.

least they're over there at the moment spinning their Liberal lie not here.

6079_Smith_W

Gee, wasn't it paid Harperite social media shills that were behind everything this time last year?

Must be quite the well-organized and good-paying racket. You wouldn't happen to know where I could send an application, eh?

mark_alfred

In fairness, I did see a tweet by Gerald Butts where he was expressing dismay over how REB was being treated.

mark_alfred

Re:  post #45

"His Royal Hotness" -- yes, that's certainly part of it, I think. This is a leader who is into yoga, cooperation, hope and hard work, real change, sunny ways, feminism, consultation.  People invested a lot into that.  So, the fact that the serene His Royal Hotness ("the tenderness of Ghandi with the strength of Apollo") would flip out and turn into The Enforcer is something that must be denied by his followers. 

So, anyone tarnishing the image of His Royal Hotness, watch out.  Cue a false propaganda video to vilify the woman who was injured by him.  Unleash a torrent of attack on social media.  Change the channel from His Royal Hotness' bizarre behaviour to anything else.  Deflect deflect deflect.  And for gawd's sake never ever say anything like, "yeah, I'm surprised at how angry he got -- I still support him but it does seem like he may need some anger management classes or something" --NOOO!  Never admit humanity!  Attack attack attack!  NDP = villains!  Conservative = villains!  Ashton and Brosseau dare speak against His Royal Hotness?  Attack!!

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