Liberal misogynists spew hate against Ruth Ellen Brosseau

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takeitslowly

Thanks Megb. If I may , one of the worst comments or memes I saw is one that read "REBs breasts assaulted him"

I think victim blaming is an issue alot of women experience . It's particularly true when we are dealing with a powerful man who is widely popular 

6079_Smith_W

Sorry, but the powerful man who is widely popular isn't to blame for all of this.

I thought what I read a few days ago on FB was an anomaly, or the low mark. But today there is another pileon of good party members talking about how Tommy Douglas and Jack Layton would be ashamed.

And of course it is all directed at Brosseau and Ashton. Not Gordon Brown, Not Peter Van Loan, and not even Tom Mulcair who started bellowing and snorting steam in the house over it.

This is less and less to do with politics and more and more an opportunity for people to take their grievances and frustrations and project them at the easiest target.

 

 

MegB

takeitslowly wrote:

I think victim blaming is an issue alot of women experience . It's particularly true when we are dealing with a powerful man who is widely popular 

I am absolutely certain that victim-blaming is more widely experienced than we can reasonably know. Examples we see again and again in the MSM are only a small number of cases compared to the experience of a non-celebrity and the average low-profile woman.

Stockholm

6079_Smith_W wrote:

And of course it is all directed at Brosseau and Ashton. Not Gordon Brown, Not Peter Van Loan, and not even Tom Mulcair who started bellowing and snorting steam in the house over it.

 

What a surprise - the women get attacked while the men get off scot-free...and then people try to deny that there is any gender dimension to this controversy

Stockholm

Basement Dweller wrote:

White Cat wrote:

If one looks at the video, REB doesn't attempt to back off when Trudeau storms over there to break up Mulcair's little blockade. She actually responds in a feisty manner and leans in as if to fight to protect the integrity of the blockade.

Of course, she wasn't 'asking for it.' Just like Trudeau wasn't looking to elbow anyone.

Watch the video again, you lying piece of shit.

You are saying she asked for it but she didn't ask for it. You enabler, you.

My biggest regret in this whole fracas is that after being jabbed in the breast by Trudeau's elbow, Ruth Ellen Brosseau didn't say "watch where you're going you fucking asshole" and then slapped him across the face!

MegB

Stockholm wrote:

Basement Dweller wrote:

White Cat wrote:

If one looks at the video, REB doesn't attempt to back off when Trudeau storms over there to break up Mulcair's little blockade. She actually responds in a feisty manner and leans in as if to fight to protect the integrity of the blockade.

Of course, she wasn't 'asking for it.' Just like Trudeau wasn't looking to elbow anyone.

Watch the video again, you lying piece of shit.

You are saying she asked for it but she didn't ask for it. You enabler, you.

My biggest regret in this whole fracas is that after being jabbed in the breast by Trudeau's elbow, Ruth Ellen Brosseau didn't say "watch where you're going you fucking asshole" and then slapped him across the face!

That would've been extremely satifying, to see that. Too bad most of us are too socialized, on some level, to be passive in the face of physical confrontation to react that way.

Basement Dweller

The most threatening comments I saw were on YouTube below that conspiracy theory story. I reported them under hate speech, but I don't if they are still there. I also reported some comments directed at Trudeau (not nearly as many, not as scary, but still horrible).

mark_alfred

6079_Smith_W wrote:

And of course it is all directed at Brosseau and Ashton. Not Gordon Brown, Not Peter Van Loan, and not even Tom Mulcair who started bellowing and snorting steam in the house over it.

This is less and less to do with politics and more and more an opportunity for people to take their grievances and frustrations and project them at the easiest target.

It may have started off with politics though.  REB missed the vote on the Liberal's Time Allocation Motion (for Bill C-14), which I think set in stage the question of Privilege. 

the Speaker wrote:
I appreciate the comments of all the members who have spoken, and I appreciate the Prime Minister's apology.  Having said that, I cannot help but find a prima facie case of question of privilege and I call upon the hon. member for York—Simcoe to move the appropriate motion.

Peter Van Loan then made a motion to refer the incident ("the physical molestation of the hon. member for Berthier—Maskinongé") to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.  That didn't pass (I don't think) so a lot more talk and then I think there was a decision somewhere that it would go to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs.   --> I realize I'm not being very clear here, but the Hansard itself wasn't very clear.  That said, the Speaker made a decision.  There seemed to be issue with the wording of the motion, compounded by all the speeches people gave.  But somewhere there I think a motion was passed to send it to the Committee.

Brown was referred to by Julian when Julian spoke, but Brown never seemed a focus (and I didn't see any statement from Brown).  So I'm guessing he wasn't an issue because he did not miss the vote.  Anyway, so, it seems the PM is in a bit of trouble due to REB missing the vote due to his elbowing her.  Thus a focus on her also has a political rationale.  If she can be discredited (IE, the incident was insufficient to justify her missing the vote) then the PM can't be held responsible for her loss of priviledge.  Or not.  I dunno.  But I think that rationale may exist with some.

Anyway, in checking out some of the tweets, I saw some that were super critical of her that had been addressed to her.  And she had answered some of these, asking "what did I do wrong?"  All sorts of judgemental crap was heaped onto her by these people.  I got the feeling that she was absolutely shell shocked from it.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Basement Dweller wrote:

The most threatening comments I saw were on YouTube below that conspiracy theory story. I reported them under hate speech, but I don't if they are still there. I also reported some comments directed at Trudeau (not nearly as many, not as scary, but still horrible).

Never read comment sections. That's the Golden Rule. I gave up after about 3 hrs of paying attention to the comments section.

Social Media is a vast  vaccuous cesspool. The compute age has degenerated our species.

Wasn't so easy to express your 'opinion' back 25 years ago.Thery'd have to face you in person. Most wouldn't dare but there's one in ewvery crowd I suppose. Keyboard warriors.

But that's the price for freedumb.I guess.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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The compute age has degenerated our species.

I recently read the suggestion that the internet hasn't made us any dumber, it just provides so many more opportunities for the dumb to be heard.

mark_alfred

6079_Smith_W wrote:

I thought what I read a few days ago on FB was an anomaly, or the low mark. But today there is another pileon of good party members talking about how Tommy Douglas and Jack Layton would be ashamed.

And of course it is all directed at Brosseau and Ashton.

I've seen the Tommy Douglas ones spring up in various places too today.  "I watched the video.  Then I watched it in slow motion.  There was no violence...   Remember Tommy Douglas? He would be disgusted at the ndp pulling crap like that."  It was in a FB discussion on parliamentary procedure, which had nothing to do with the video.  I'm beginning to wonder if a lot of them aren't simply computer scripts.  Automated posts that go out with a few different parameters that are changed every once in a while.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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The compute age has degenerated our species.

I recently read the suggestion that the internet hasn't made us any dumber, it just provides so many more opportunities for the dumb to be heard.

Reading my quote,I just found it quite melodramatic. I agree with your closing words.

6079_Smith_W

mark_alfred wrote:

I'm beginning to wonder if a lot of them aren't simply computer scripts.

My friends aren't computer scripts. Sorry, but I know the people I saw saying that stuff.

And this can't just be blamed on Justin Trudeau, or the Liberal Party, or one video, or paid trolls.

I'd say virtually all of this is real people's honest opinions, but who have no better solution than to blame everything on someone else. And of course the easiest target there is the lie of "complaining women who don't understand politics and can't take the heat".

 

 

 

mark_alfred

Yeah.  She thinks politics is about helping farmers and people in her community and advocating for stuff like stopping food waste and properly categorizing diafiltered milk as an ingredient and not a milk product to ensure cheese producers use local milk and dairy farmers here get a fair deal.  When really politics is about being some jackass spouting talking points.

jjuares

This isn't computers saying this stuff. To me looks like a classic case of cognitive dissonance. Many Canadians are still in love with the Trudeau and his image. And his image does not include striding over to someone in a rage and laying hands on this person. So, they blame others and make excuses for him. This of course is some of the ways in which you reconcile facts and beliefs.

Basement Dweller

jjuares wrote:
This isn't computers saying this stuff. To me looks like a classic case of cognitive dissonance. Many Canadians are still in love with the Trudeau and his image. And his image does not include striding over to someone in a rage and laying hands on this person. So, they blame others and make excuses for him. This of course is some of the ways in which you reconcile facts and beliefs.

Yes, enabling and denial go hand in hand.

Aristotleded24

pebbles wrote:
First, and hopefully only comment on "Elbowgate":

For anyone to conflate or connect an obviously accidental, if unfortunate, elbowing, to violence, violence against women, crime, assault, abuse, etc. is, to me, for a whole host of reasons, very, very, very, VERY offensive.

Those who have done so (hi, Peter Julian), have snatched defeat from the jaws of a very feeble moral victory.

The shame is that this focus on the NDP and Brosseau's reaction has clouded the fact that Trudeau took it upon himself to assault a member of the Opposition because it was impatient when it has already been pointed out that the Liberal whip had the means to move the vote along according to House procedures. That to me is the real issue.

jjuares wrote:
This isn't computers saying this stuff. To me looks like a classic case of cognitive dissonance. Many Canadians are still in love with the Trudeau and his image. And his image does not include striding over to someone in a rage and laying hands on this person. So, they blame others and make excuses for him. This of course is some of the ways in which you reconcile facts and beliefs.

Yeah, and we have the nerve to self-righteously sneer at Americans for giving George Bush Jr. enough votes to convince people that he won the Presidency. Massive incompetence and agressive foreign policy aside, people forget that George Bush Jr the man had a very charming way about him, and I suspect that if he walked into any social gathering and nobody knew who he was most would find him quite likeable.

mark_alfred

Aristotleded24 wrote:

The shame is that this focus on the NDP and Brosseau's reaction has clouded the fact that Trudeau took it upon himself to assault a member of the Opposition because it was impatient when it has already been pointed out that the Liberal whip had the means to move the vote along according to House procedures. That to me is the real issue.

Either impatience or a deliberate play for the camera.  The Liberal whip Leslie on his own bowed to the Speaker and went to take his seat to begin the procedings.  His seat looks to be beside Trudeau's.  You see him pause at his seat, remaining standing.  I'm sure JT told him to not sit, deciding it was a good opportunity to perform and turn the public against opposition procedural delays.  In other words, they both knew that had Leslie sat, the vote would be called and within a couple of minutes as the stalling opposition finally took their seats, the vote would happen.  Now, the public is opposed to opposition procedural delays, so he can rule as the (benevolent) king he feels himself to be with less of the procedural delay nuisance he had to put up with previously.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Mark, it could be true, but I don't agree. I didn't know all the rules of the house and most people don't, not even many sitting MP's. Before Trudeau was PM, he had a very poor attendance record, and he never really took his job seriously. I don't believe that he knew that he had the status of just another MP in the House. He saw the delay as a personal affront to his own sense of authority in the House as PM. Therefore, they needed to be punished and taught a lesson. He acted like an impulsive, spoiled, rich, brat who has to get his own way all the time or he loses his temper. Your analysis assumes that thought process and strategy took place beforehand, and I don't read that into the equation at all.

MegB

I tend to agree Misfit, but I think it would be more accurate to say it was part theatre, part entitled snit. A bit of both.

Basement Dweller

So I wonder what sanctions Trudeau will get for this?

Maybe he should have to do an extensive classroom presentation on how Parliament works.

If only Stanley Knowles were to still here to grade it.

quizzical

none. they traded dropping motion 6 for a nothing response. imv

Basement Dweller

Trudeau is easily among the huggiest leaders in the Western hemisphere; in just six months he’s embraced the U.S. president, the U.N. Secretary General, most of Canada’s premiers, a pair of baby pandas and untold numbers of constituents and underlings.

But in a world of non-huggy people, the Canadian Prime Minister skirts a hazardous course by constantly trying to squeeze strangers.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/its-too-familiar-justin-trudeau...

Basement Dweller

If Trudeau wants be so huggy, he should take some notes from Bernie Sanders. It is one thing to put your arms over each others shoulders like you are buddies or teammates. But the way Trudeau holds people, and looks right into their eyes, seems invasive to me.

Maybe a part of what happened has to do with Trudeau's personal boundaries.

MegB

I don't think it's about personal boundaries, but rather about arrogance. He believes he's so special that no one could possibly not want to be hugged by Il Justin.

mark_alfred

Good article by Karl on Parl about the social media reaction to Elbowgate:

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Sadly, it appears that a good many of those who chose Trudeau over Harper last election were not overly concerned about the recent Conservative PM's tendency to autocracy.

They didn't mind, it seems, being ruled by autocrats; they just wanted a new autocrat.

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/karl-nerenberg/2016/05/social-media-reac...

lagatta

Yes, and it is very sad where uncritical fawning over Trudeau has taken some formerly progressive people.

I guess it was pretty hard to fawn over Mulcair...

mark_alfred
lagatta

Funny, I just received an article in the LRB (London Review of Books) about a woman who worked as a mod at the Guardian. And it even mentions her working for a (female) MP, back when there were more barriers to abuse of them and their staff. http://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2016/05/27/dawn-foster/if-i-ever-see-you-in-th...

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