Liberal MP Francis Drouin facing sexual assault allegation

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Liberal MP Francis Drouin facing sexual assault allegation
quizzical

was just reading this.

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Didn’t the progressive Trudeau Liberals just hold a seminar on sexual harassment at their Halifax convention this weekend?

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gadar

Trudeau should resign. He cant even control his own MPs. How can we expect him to control the members of his party and everybody who voted for him. 

Heck he should resign if a person who voted for his party in the last election is accused of sexual assault, this is a MP we are talking about.

He should retire from politics and give a written promise to the public that none of his ancestors will ever run for elected office anywhere in the universe. And if the allegations are proven in court he should spend a few years in prison as well.

NorthReport

Your concern for the woman who was supposedly assaulted is impressive

gadar wrote:

Trudeau should resign. He cant even control his own MPs. How can we expect him to control the members of his party and everybody who voted for him. 

Heck he should resign if a person who voted for his party in the last election is accused of sexual assault, this is a MP we are talking about.

He should retire from politics and give a written promise to the public that none of his ancestors will ever run for elected office anywhere in the universe. And if the allegations are proven in court he should spend a few years in prison as well.

lagatta4

I don't see how Trudeau is responsible for the alleged crime of his MP. And I'm not a Liberal.

Pondering

NR, the problem is that sexual misconduct from assault to verbal intimidation is so rampant that all parties have guilty parties within them. It's a "men in power" thing, not a Liberal thing.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

NR is a hyper-partisan with a pathological hate of anything Liberal..Even when the Liberals act like the NDP and adopts NDP policies.It proves he couldn't care less about policy.He's just a shameless cheerleader.  I've stopped paying attention to almost all his threads. The partisanship is nauseating to say the least.

And the idiotic suggestion that Trudeau resign over the personal sins of an MP is just as disgustingly hyper-partisann garbage.

Pondering

alan smithee wrote:

NR is a hyper-partisan with a pathological hate of anything Liberal..Even when the Liberals act like the NDP and adopts NDP policies.It proves he couldn't care less about policy.He's just a shameless cheerleader.  I've stopped paying attention to almost all his threads. The partisanship is nauseating to say the least.

And the idiotic suggestion that Trudeau resign over the personal sins of an MP is just as disgustingly hyper-partisann garbage.

Gaydar was being sarcastic. 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

NR is a hyper-partisan with a pathological hate of anything Liberal..Even when the Liberals act like the NDP and adopts NDP policies.It proves he couldn't care less about policy.He's just a shameless cheerleader.  I've stopped paying attention to almost all his threads. The partisanship is nauseating to say the least.

And the idiotic suggestion that Trudeau resign over the personal sins of an MP is just as disgustingly hyper-partisann garbage.

Gaydar was being sarcastic. 

My apologies to gadar. On second reading I got it. But it's hard to determine sarcasm here. There are some (without naming names) who would say such a thing and be serious.

Maybe babble needs emojis to end confusion.

Unionist

I believe gadar's hint was where he demanded that Trudeau promise "none of his ancestors will ever run for elected office". In my experience, it's hard enough to control your immediate descendants, never mind all those ancestors.

lagatta4

I thought it might be sarcasm, but wasn't sure, and have actually heard such groundless accusations. Any party can be infested with such individuals.

The weird thing in another case is that Gerry Sklavounos still hasn't resigned, and as far as I know, may still be standing for his Laurier-Dorion seat. His website is still up as if nothing had happened. What a slime.

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Unionist

lagatta4 wrote:
The weird thing in another case is that Gerry Sklavounos still hasn't resigned, and as far as I know, may still be standing for his Laurier-Dorion seat. His website is still up as if nothing had happened. What a slime.

Not sure if non-Quebecers are aware that more testimony has come forward in recent days against Sklavounos, who has been sitting as an independent since leaving the Liberal caucus (and then not being allowed back in after the crown decided not to charge him criminally) back in 2016.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

gadar wrote:

Trudeau should resign. He cant even control his own MPs. How can we expect him to control the members of his party and everybody who voted for him. 

Heck he should resign if a person who voted for his party in the last election is accused of sexual assault, this is a MP we are talking about.

He should retire from politics and give a written promise to the public that none of his ancestors will ever run for elected office anywhere in the universe. And if the allegations are proven in court he should spend a few years in prison as well.

I think we can already be sure that none of his ancestors will run.  Ancestors are metaphysically disqualified from seeking elected office in most places.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Which is a shame, since his dad could have been one of the good ones.

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Low conviction rate leads Vancouver women to call on VPD to do better on sexual assault

https://www.straight.com/news/1061436/low-conviction-rate-leads-vancouve...

bekayne

NorthReport wrote:

Low conviction rate leads Vancouver women to call on VPD to do better on sexual assault

https://www.straight.com/news/1061436/low-conviction-rate-leads-vancouve...

So Drouin has something to do with sexual assault in Vancouver?

progressive17 progressive17's picture

With Gerry Sklavounos as MNA I have been completely unrepresented in the Quebec National Assembly here in Laurier-Dorion. What political motivation at all would anyone in policy down in Quebec City have, to deal with anyone in Laurier-Dorion? Those are calls they can easily not return for years.

The SQ should say what it is like to be a biomechanical service unit working in a zero guaranteed-hours hellhole, which runs through the entire supply chain from factory and port to your retail store and cafeteria, i.e. anyone who handles any physical thing for a living. If they really get it across and explain to them how they really understand what it is to be exploited, the SQ is going to be able to form an authentic revolutionary populist mob. And whether I am working for another biomechanical service slavemaster, or whether I am a clerk trying to bankrupt said slavemasters, I will be out there with them too.

My Quebec does not include slavemasters.

gadar

NorthReport wrote:

Your concern for the woman who was supposedly assaulted is impressive

gadar wrote:

Trudeau should resign. He cant even control his own MPs. How can we expect him to control the members of his party and everybody who voted for him. 

Heck he should resign if a person who voted for his party in the last election is accused of sexual assault, this is a MP we are talking about.

He should retire from politics and give a written promise to the public that none of his ancestors will ever run for elected office anywhere in the universe. And if the allegations are proven in court he should spend a few years in prison as well.

And I am sure you brought up Trudeau because you were so concerned about the alleged victim. Suuuurrreeeee

What a hoot, omg I am so concerned about the victim

Trudeau blah blah blah, Trudeau bla bla blah, evil Liberals blah blah blah.

Somebody please think about the victim, Trudeau should resign blah blah blah.

Does that qualify as concern for the victim, I hope I met your standards.

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I’m not suggesting for a second that Liberals had anything to do with this however it does show what women are up against 

https://globalnews.ca/news/4164847/you-can-never-be-too-careful-halifax-women-allege-they-were-drugged-at-bar/

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Rev Pesky

From the above posted story:

The pair say they had a few drinks at home — but were not intoxicated..

How many is 'a few' and over what time frame were these imbibed. Important detail missing from story.

quizzical

Rev Pesky wrote:

From the above posted story:

The pair say they had a few drinks at home — but were not intoxicated..

How many is 'a few' and over what time frame were these imbibed. Important detail missing from story.

ya no it's not important.

you're an idiot.

 

Rev Pesky

From quizzical:

ya no it's not important.

you're an idiot.

As a person who used to drink (quite a bit), and who has spent many hours in bars when not drinking (teetotalling musician - believe it or not), I can tell you that any person starts to lose their sobriety somewhere between the third and fourth drink. Which explains why most driving laws mark that as the legal/illegal point (0.08). 

So when someone says they've had 'a few' drinks, which to me means some number more than two, and then says they were not intoxicated, they are not telling the truth.

The level of that persons intoxication is indicated by the fact they accepted a drink offer from a total stranger in a bar. Not something you or I would do in our sober moments.

One last item. So what happened to the dude who administered the poison pill? He got what he wanted, the ingestion of the drug by not just one, but two, young ladies, but seems to have left the scene without trying to take advantage of his successful poisoning.

Another quote from the story:

“We’re assuming it was the gentleman who bought me the drink because that’s the only drink we had that whole night. But I don’t know who he was. He was just buying me a drink and I thought it was innocent,” Fitzpatrick told Global News.

Gentleman? Really? After doctoring a drink he's still a 'gentleman'? By the way, notice in the story how the other young lady had to be brought in as well. So the 'gentleman' slaps her drink out of her hand, then offers to buy her another, but she (apparently still somewhat sober) refuses, but shares the other complimentary drink with her bud. No mention is made of the drink the first young lady must have had (after all, if one of them had received her drink order, the other one must have as well).

So according to the story, the first young lady had a drink in her hand when the gentleman walks up and offers her another, but apparently he doesn't slap the drink out of her hand, so at that point she has two drinks...pardon me, three drinks because it wasn't just a drink, it was a drink and a shot. Oops, she needs one more hand.

My conclusion after reading this story is I agree the two young ladies were poisoned. The only difference is, I believe it was just plain old alcohol poisioning, self-administered. 

Pondering

I agree they were intoxicated but that is a subjective thing. It doesn't mean they are lying about their drinks being spiked. It may or may not have been the man that provided the drinks. When I was young my sister and I had been drinking and smoked weed we had our drinks spiked. It's very different from being drunk or stoned. Fortunately we drink slowly. I told the bartender but he refused to even call us a cab. We were able to hail one and get ourselves home. We both threw up. 

Given that they shared the second drink maybe they were sharing the first or maybe friend one finished hers. Maybe they were standing at the bar so had no need of multiple hands. He bought friend one a drink and a shot, presumably because he was interested in her. He somehow knocked the drink out of friend two's hand. She refused a replacement. Maybe she had had enough. Maybe she didn't like him. They went to dance so that could be a reason she refused a replacement. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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When I was young my sister and I had been drinking and smoked weed we had our drinks spiked.

That sounds almost exactly like the time I drank a mickey of Jamieson's, smoked a butt-load of hash, then ended up vomiting from what I can only reasonably conclude was Legionnaire's disease.

Rev Pesky

From Pondering:

maybe they were sharing the first or maybe friend one finished hers. Maybe they were standing at the bar so had no need of multiple hands. He bought friend one a drink and a shot, presumably (maybe - added by Rev) because he was interested in her. He somehow knocked the drink out of friend two's hand. She refused a replacement. Maybe she had had enough. Maybe she didn't like him.

That's a lot of maybe's

Here's a 'maybe' for you. Maybe the story was to explain to the mother why she had to get up and drive downtown to pick up her drunken daughter and friend in the early morning hours...

progressive17 progressive17's picture

If you have good liquor, it is just a waste of cannabis derivatives.