More ravings from Rob Anders

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More ravings from Rob Anders
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Rob Anders has a theory.

In between bites of gravlax and sliced beef from the Chateau Laurier buffet, he lets it be known – minimal prodding necessary – what he really thinks about Thomas Mulcair.

For 15 years, the Reform-cum-Canadian Alliance-cum-Conservative MP for Calgary West has, for better or worse, defined himself as a politician who isn’t afraid to speak his mind.

And so, he has a theory.

“I actually think one of the great stories that was missed by journalists was that Mr. Mulcair, with his arm twisted behind the scenes, helped to hasten Jack Layton’s death,” he said.

“It was very clear to me watching the two of those gentlemen in the front benches, that Jack Layton was ill and that Mr. Mulcair was making it quite obvious that if Jack wasn’t well enough to fight the campaign and fight the election that he should step aside, and that because of that, Mr. Layton put his life at risk to go into the national election, and fight it, and did obviously an amazing job considering his state of health, and that he did that partly because of the arm-twisting behind the scenes by Mulcair and then subsequently died.”

Not to mention that a smear job of this nature is so much less expensive than the Cons' televised campaigns against leaders of other parties...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Thanks Bagkitty for ruining my morning.  That is an unbelievably outrageous statement .  I may have my problems with the NDP but this is beyond the pale.

Money mouth

lagatta

This is absolutely and utterly disgusting. I'm no great fan of Mulcair, as I'm sure you all know, but it is truly vile. Anders should step down immediately.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

What a perfect asshole.

And if this is indeed part of a covert Con smear campaign -- well, Gord help us.

nicky

I have quickly scanned through 338 responses to the Globe story. Not one of them is remotely supportive of Anders and the great majority are completely scathing of him

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Olivia spoke a few minutes ago, and Rob Anders apologized. I think he recanted his remarks.

Brachina

Olvia showed great class and dignity when she accepted his apology. Olvia Chow for Mayor!

Michelle

Boom Boom wrote:

Olivia spoke a few minutes ago, and Rob Anders apologized. I think he recanted his remarks.

Actually, he didn't recant.  He just said he was sorry because the comments were "insensitive and inconsiderate".  Not the same thing as recanting, and that's the first thing I noticed about his "apology".  He didn't say he was mistaken about the content of what he said.  He didn't say that what he said wasn't actually true.  He just described his statement as insensitive and apologized for that. 

I agree with Peter Stoffer - what a dickhead.  Layton was a political animal.  He wrote an amazing political call to action on his deathbed.  I can't imagine that he needed encouragement from anyone, including Mulcair, to lead the party into the 2011 election.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Michelle wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Olivia spoke a few minutes ago, and Rob Anders apologized. I think he recanted his remarks.

Actually, he didn't recant.  He just said he was sorry because the comments were "insensitive and inconsiderate".  Not the same thing as recanting, and that's the first thing I noticed about his "apology".  He didn't say he was mistaken about the content of what he said.  He didn't say that what he said wasn't actually true.  He just described his statement as insensitive and apologized for that. 

I agree with Peter Stoffer - what a dickhead.  Layton was a political animal.  He wrote an amazing political call to action on his deathbed.  I can't imagine that he needed encouragement from anyone, including Mulcair, to lead the party into the 2011 election.

This is the action of a typical bully. They hand it out, but can't handle it when it is turned back on them. They whine and complain and demand an apology anytime their feelings are hurt, but NEVER say they are sorry. They just dish it out and dish it out. I hate these guys!

janfromthebruce

I just think that Anders was really trying to take a swipe at Mulcair, and using Jack (because he was very much loved and respected by both supporters and non-supporters) as a "means" to an "end".

It like planting a seed - and suggests that Mulcair is not to be "trusted" and that he is so powerhungry he would bait a "sick person" into doing something that's not in his best interest.

So it's no wonder he didn't recant what he said, and nor did Harper publicly repremand Anders, nor "recant from Ander's position."

Remember the Cons are slimy. It's all about the shadows.

oldgoat

Peter Stoffer had apparently not heard of this incident when asked about it in a recent press scrum.  His response was elegant.  Don't think I've ever heard the words "dickhead" and "stupid" used so many times before an aide grabbed him by the collar and pulled him away.

David Young

oldgoat wrote:

Peter Stoffer had apparently not heard of this incident when asked about it in a recent press scrum.  His response was elegant.  Don't think I've ever heard the words "dickhead" and "stupid" used so many times before an aide grabbed him by the collar and pulled him away.

Peter was just saying out loud what any decent Canadian was thinking!!!

Bravo, Peter!

 

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Peter Stoffer's response on You Tube

Warning - this is EPIC!

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

 

 

Sean in Ottawa

Lou Arab wrote:

Peter Stoffer's response on You Tube

Warning - this is EPIC!

I am not the kind who watches movies a second time.

When I get back home I'll watch this again at least once and share it with others.

Peter is a good guy-- I have had the chance of meeting him a few times. Interestingly he is not someone who swears much.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Reporter: What did you call him?
Stoffer: A dickhead. 

Todrick of Chat...

Isn't calling someone a "Dickhead" somewhat sexist language and not very progressive?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I don't have a problem with it, but I'm sure Peter would be happy to hear from you if you want to write him a letter about it.

Unionist

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Isn't calling someone a "Dickhead" somewhat sexist language and not very progressive?

So is beating the war drums for the troops and our invasion and occupation of Afghanistan - which Stoffer continued to do publicly even after Layton finally called for the troops to come home, when convention forced his hand.

But as long as Peter is defending the honour of Mulcair and Layton, why not forget all that? Anyway, we know he wanted to say "SHITHEAD", and then we really would have stood up and cheered!

We know what progressive politics is all about! It's about being a macho mean-talking hip-shooting defender of women, children, and the dearly departed!!

YEAH!!!

ETA: Too frickin' bad (as we say down East) that Pat Martin has been sued into sullen silence - otherwise he would have stood up for Tom and Jack! YEAH!!

 

Unionist

Lest we forget, listen to the dickhead Honourable Member (whoops! is that ok?):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7D6koKquOo

 

Todrick of Chat...

So I guess we can now use sexual nouns/slang to describe people on the forum.

I am sure Peter is too busy being non-progressive to write back to me so I am not going to bother.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Something tells me, Todrick, you are not asking this question in good faith. But let me put your mind at ease: if Peter Stoffer came on babble and told fellow babbler Rob Anders that he was a dickhead, I would chastise Pete for his personal attack, remind him of babble's anti-imperialism policy and then ban Rob for being a fascist, homophobic asshole.

quizzical

Laughing with CF @ #22

Todrick of Chat...

You understand that racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, classist (e.g. poor-bashing) and other oppressive language that degrades marginalized communities is not acceptable. This policy applies to both public and private messages.

http://rabble.ca/about/babblepolicy

To me the term "Dickhead" is sexist, homophobic and degrades marginalized communities. I do not believe this term or other sexual slang should be used on the forum.

However I will cease posting in this thread now because I do not believe this issue will be taken serious.

Have a good night.

 

 

6079_Smith_W

I'm sorry... which peter are we talking about here?

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The first time I saw the image I posted was on the back of a nice sports car being driven by a woman.  I am sure she saw it as a repellent not a sexist statement and I am sure it was not aimed at homosexual men.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Pat Martin actually did say something about Rob Anders to a CBC reporter, but I can't remember what he said. Conservative MPs attacked him too, by the way.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

You understand that racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, classist (e.g. poor-bashing) and other oppressive language that degrades marginalized communities is not acceptable. This policy applies to both public and private messages.

http://rabble.ca/about/babblepolicy

To me the term "Dickhead" is sexist, homophobic and degrades marginalized communities. I do not believe this term or other sexual slang should be used on the forum.

However I will cease posting in this thread now because I do not believe this issue will be taken serious.

Have a good night.

 

 

Well, I get your point. I will try to watch myself as I never thought of it the way you just put it. However, I don't think "taking your football and going home", is a particulalry useful response TOC.

West Coast Greeny

I don't think the word "dickhead" is homophobic or sexist. It's a male-specific, sexuality-non-specific, slightly lewd insult.

Say what you will about Stoffer's politics, and about civility in parliament, but his response was epic and genuine.

Unionist

Stoffer is a shithead.

Not epic, maybe, but genuine.

If you don't believe me, just please watch the entire interview I linked to above, where he shills for the war, says that an NDP convention isn't the sort of place to make important decisions about the mission, proudly disassociates himself publicly from not only convention but caucus and Jack Layton's views, ridicules the notion of nationalizing anything, says he has always believed in the market, and brags shamelessly about having organized "Red Friday" (that's red as in the fucking British redcoats, not the blood red flag of the working class) on Parliament Hill.

If Stephen Harper and Mitt Romney swore at Rob Anders for making stupid tasteless comments about Tom and Jack, I wouldn't refrain from calling them shitheads for even a moment. Not epic, maybe, but certainly genuine.

I do think people should maintain a little bit of perspective. Stoffer does not belong anywhere near any progressive party.

ETA: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7D6koKquOo]Here it is again[/url], in case anyone missed it - Stoffer and his buddy Garth Turner smirking together for 8 minutes about pacifists and leftists and other unreal people.

Unionist

Oh sorry, I apologize for my rant about Stoffer.

I totally forgot that the Shithead broke with the NDP caucus and [url=http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=3326039&L... in favour[/url] of Ken Epp's private member's bill to create a new crime when a foetus is injured in the course of a crime.

Misogynistic shithead.

 

janfromthebruce

With  quizzical @ #24 and CF @ #22  Kiss

Unionist

With #30 and #31

addictedtomyipod

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Isn't calling someone a "Dickhead" somewhat sexist language and not very progressive?

 

Why don't you ask Elizabeth May?  She is the queen of political correctness?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Well, she has to rule over SOMETHING, I guess.  Being the Empress of Saanich isn't really all that impressive.

lagatta

Testa di cazzo is a common insult in Italian - cazzo (slang for penis, not necessarily strong language) is a common expletive, and has no homophobic connotations - there are plenty of other homophobic expressions that refer to body parts in many languages, and they almost all cast gay men in the "feminine" role, so they are misogynist as well as homophobic. I wonder if "dickhead" is a translation from the Italian?

It is a pity that there are still NDP MPs who are little better than Cons...

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

lagatta wrote:
Testa di cazzo is a common insult in Italian - cazzo (slang for penis, not necessarily strong language) is a common expletive, and has no homophobic connotations - there are plenty of other homophobic expressions that refer to body parts in many languages, and they almost all cast gay men in the "feminine" role, so they are misogynist as well as homophobic. I wonder if "dickhead" is a translation from the Italian? It is a pity that there are still NDP MPs who are little better than Cons...

Oh come on. Stoffer was mad. And frankly, untill someone posted on this board yesterday how it might be taken, I hadn't considered this as possibly homophobic, though personally, I find this a bit of a reach. But at least around here, you won't see me use this language.

Sorry, this seems like some are being overly sensitive, and need to grow up a little. We get it, this point has been made, move along. You probably don't like being preached to, and frankly, neither do I. I'll watch what I say, but lets have a little more understanding from the other side while in the education process, ok?

quizzical

uh....to be soooo pure of "progressiveness" while occupying a country is a sight to behold......

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Unionist - no one is proposing to make Peter Stoffer King of the World.  I too have been highly annoyed with him at times in the past.  He simply had an amusing rant.  No need to make more of it than that. 

Stopped clocks and all.

Unionist

Lou Arab wrote:

Unionist - no one is proposing to make Peter Stoffer King of the World.  I too have been highly annoyed with him at times in the past.  He simply had an amusing rant.  No need to make more of it than that. 

Stopped clocks and all.

Lou - if I saw NDP supporters criticize Stoffer's pro-war and misogynistic stands at the time when he spews them publicly, I wouldn't feel the need to remind people now of what a shithead he is. When I only see them applaud his vulgarity, I find it's necessary to restore some balance. Same with Pat Martin. When he calls someone an "asshole" and people get all excited and applaud, I remind people that he's pro-Zionist, Québec-bashing, etc. One-sidedness is harmful to accurate assessment.

 

quizzical

Unionist wrote:
quizzical wrote:

uh....to be soooo pure of "progressiveness" while occupying a country is a sight to behold......

Uh. That's one of the more stunning statements I've heard. I guess I'll suppot the invasion of Afghanistan and Libya so as not to be seen as a hypocrite. Or perhaps I should emigrate, and then I can resume my anti-imperialist purity. You want to ridicule allies who express anti-imperialist stands - go right ahead. But expect to get some disagreement.

ridicule allies? i've seen few of them here.....and from where i'm standing most "Canadians" are imperialists or the indigenous peoples of Turtle Island would'nt be in the hell they are.

Pogo Pogo's picture

I assume that dickhead refers to the old joke about men thinking either with their brain or their dick and not having enough blood for both at the same time.  So it just refers to someone either brainless or incapable of using their brain.

 

Stockholm

I am outraged by Stoffer's comment. By calling Rob Anders a "dickhead" he has insulted my and every other man's penis!!!

David Young

Pogo wrote:

I assume that dickhead refers to the old joke about men thinking either with their brain or their dick and not having enough blood for both at the same time.  So it just refers to someone either brainless or incapable of using their brain.

 

'nuff said!!!

 

Michelle

Stockholm wrote:

I am outraged by Stoffer's comment. By calling Rob Anders a "dickhead" he has insulted my and every other man's penis!!!

Heh.  :)

Seriously though - I also have no idea how "dickhead" could be considered to be offensive.  It's not sexist - it isn't degrading women.  It's not homophobic - straight and gay men have dicks, and there was no reference to any sort of sexual act.

What gives?

Unionist, I get your point about Stoffer's stands on other things.  However, you have to love him for a few minutes at least during that rant.  It was hilarious!  And I also got a kick out of his staffer trying to pull him away.  That was really funny!  I can just imagine the scene before that among the staffers in the office - "Did you tell Stoffer about the Anders thing before he left?"  "No!  I thought you did!" "There are reporters down there!"  "Shit! Down the stairs now, go go go!"

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

self-delete. Dupe post.

 

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Had posted something here...but just couldn't go there.

lagatta

quizzical, that is on the same level as calling advanced-cap proletarians "imperialists" because they are not paying a fair price for coffee. Like zero class analysis, hein?

Unionist

quizzical wrote:

uh....to be soooo pure of "progressiveness" while occupying a country is a sight to behold......

Uh. That's one of the more stunning statements I've heard. I guess I'll support the invasion of Afghanistan and Libya so as not to be seen as a hypocrite. Or perhaps I should emigrate, and then I can resume my anti-imperialist purity. You want to ridicule allies who express anti-imperialist stands - go right ahead. But expect to get some disagreement.

Unionist

When Peter Stoffer defended Bev Desjarlais's "right" to break ranks (the way he likes to do) and vote against equal marriage, I appreciated Stockholm's timely comment:

Stockholm wrote:
If people like Stoffer and Desjarlais etc... don't like the idea of ever having to vote in unison with the rest of the NDP caucus - then they should run for Parliament as Independents and then they can vote who they want, when they want. But they were elected as New Democrats and without the NDP party name on the ballot, non of them would ever have been elected dog catcher.

Is that dog-catcher position still open?

 

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