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Stockholm

Seeing that picture of Mulcair in his cowboy hat and boots - I thought to myself: There's gonna be a new patriarch in charge of this ponderosa soon!

JKR

Wilf Day wrote:
It has to be agreed behind the scenes first.

An NDP government could do just and get behind the scenes agreements especially if in 2015 there are provincial NDP governments in BC, Manitoba and Nova Scotia and right-wing governments left only in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Given the right political landscape in 2015, the NDP might find itself in the position of being able to make some long-term progressive structural changes via constitutional reform.

Aristotleded24

JeffWells wrote:
Brachina wrote:
I like the whole white hat vs. black hat western vibe, vary clever on Tom's part. Plus he looks way better in a cowboy hat then Harper does.

I was thinking the same and chiding myself for the shallow observation. But you know, this stuff matters. Mulcair is someone who looks comfortable in his own skin, even when it's trussed up in Stampede duds. Harper, never. And profoundly, especially when he tries to play cowboy. It's one more disconnect for Conservatives, and another plus in Mulcair's column.

If you look at the pictures, Mulcair actually looks like an actual old-style western cowboy. Harper in that vest photo does not. A Montrealer looking more like a real Westerner than a Calgarian? What has this world come to?

clambake

Time for the party to distance itself from the Gary Doer legacy?

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Doer appeared to be bucking the trend in an interview with the Calgary Herald, wearing the hat of a big-league resource promoter in pointing out that a recent poll shows 60 per cent of Americans support approving TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline project.

"The public is supporting it," the ambassador said. "Energy security was not part of the debate, it was just . . . labour and Obama's party and environmentalists," he told the newspaper, touting the success of Canadian leaders like Redford in selling the pipeline's merits.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/12/pol-list-politicians-st...

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Harper at the Stampede, 2005

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Trudeau at the Stampede, 1978

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Martin at the Stampede, 2004

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Best-dressed couple at the Stampede - ever - Will and Kate, 2011

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Chretien (with donuts) at the Stampede, 1995

Brachina

http://warrenkinsella.com/2012/07/harper-hate/

Angery Tom Mulcair? Thier still trying sell that? Where's the anger?!? i keep seeing him laughing and smiling and loving his job, maybe I was sleeping when he got mad and I missed it.

Does it not dawn on these people how stupid they look when they try to peg Mulcair as angery and then he comes out friendly and in control to the public, it just doesn't jive with what people are actually seeing.

janfromthebruce

Kinsella is doing "psychological projection" - now there is one angry dude - always threatening to sue someone or another! Kiss

JeffWells

clambake wrote:

Time for the party to distance itself from the Gary Doer legacy?

Insufficent. I recommend exorcism. Perhaps for both the party and Doer.

And yes, the "Angry Tom" meme is sounding increasingly silly. For all I know he's frothing and chewing carpets in private, but he's demonstrated tremendous and unexpected tact in public.

 

JeffWells

janfromthebruce wrote:

Kinsella is doing "psychological projection" - now there is one angry dude - always threatening to sue someone or another! Kiss

 

And worse!

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So, Dipper folk, we are therefore enemies. As with Conservatives, I will do my level best to step on your throat. I will hit you, over and over. I will rip your face off, if you give me half a chance.

http://warrenkinsella.com/2012/05/we-get-letters-3/

 

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JeffWells wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Kinsella is doing "psychological projection" - now there is one angry dude - always threatening to sue someone or another! Kiss

 WHO'S angry?

And worse!

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So, Dipper folk, we are therefore enemies. As with Conservatives, I will do my level best to step on your throat. I will hit you, over and over. I will rip your face off, if you give me half a chance.

http://warrenkinsella.com/2012/05/we-get-letters-3/

 

Double Post, but to make my point, WHO'S angry? Projecting? That's an understatement!

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Naheed Nenshi's first Stampede as mayor of Calgary, 2012

 

ETA: Apologies - those photos have nothing to do with the NDP - just responding to earlier posts in this thread. Embarassed

 

ETA:  Chuckwagon at Stampede crashes, brings 3 horses down - Calgary - CBC News www.cbc.ca A spokesman for the Calgary Stampede says three horses are down after a crash during the chuckwagon races

Brachina

Boom Boom wrote:

Harper at the Stampede, 2005

Mulcair looks like the town sheriff in a Western in cowboy duds, while Harper here looks like the town drunk or goofy side kick at best from Westerns.

As for shallow or not, remember its was the,picture of Stanfield dropping the football that killed his shot at being PM. This is the sort of thing that sticks in the subconcious.

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Quote:So, Dipper folk, we are therefore enemies. As with Conservatives, I will do my level best to step on your throat. I will hit you, over and over. I will rip your face off, if you give me half a chance.

 

If that is a direct quote from Kinsella, someone should call the cops - that's a violent threat, although he probably meant it metaphorically. Doesn't hurt to let the cops know, though.

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Meanwhile Mulcair is getting some pretty good reviews from the Calgary media.

From the Calgary Herald:

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The problem is that conservatives sense Mulcair actually means what he says, and as prime minister he would do something about it.

The PCs have always allowed their economic development goals to be overruled, and even overrun, by market forces.

When another upgrader project dies, they say international capital has once again dictated that refining must be done closer to markets.

Mulcair, though, is a New Democrat of the hardline variety.

He would likely use government to shape — or deny — market forces.

And that policy could be directed at the oil industry in ways we haven’t seen in more than 30 years.

To Alberta conservatives and industry types, this is the point where Thomas Mulcair really does start to look like Lenin.

But he’s a smart one, this fellow, and he’ll pose a tough question to Alberta PCs: Do you really want your industry to benefit Canada or do you just want to talk about it?

 

And even the Calgary Sun:

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He comes in with quite the wind at his back.

He’s not flinching.

NDP boss Thomas Mulcair is doing well in the national polls and then a bigshot stateside says Enbridge’s lousy handling of a pipeline spill in Michigan reminds her of the Keystone Kops.

Enbridge, as in those behind the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline from Alberta to Kitimat B.C., shipping from the oilsands to Asia.

As in a pipeline idea Mulcair hates.

It’s no wonder the man oozes confidence in his standard-issue cowboy duds and look-you-straight-in-the-eye answers.

nicky

Silly, but fun:

How to make an entrance: new NDP boss Tom Mulcair tops Stampede fashion list

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/how-to-make-an-entrance-new-ndp-boss-tom-mulcair-tops-stampede-fashion-list--162450716.html

 

 

 

 

 

felixr

Lou Arab wrote:

Meanwhile Mulcair is getting some pretty good reviews from the Calgary media.

From the Calgary Herald:

Quote:

The problem is that conservatives sense Mulcair actually means what he says, and as prime minister he would do something about it.

The PCs have always allowed their economic development goals to be overruled, and even overrun, by market forces.

When another upgrader project dies, they say international capital has once again dictated that refining must be done closer to markets.

Mulcair, though, is a New Democrat of the hardline variety.

He would likely use government to shape — or deny — market forces.

And that policy could be directed at the oil industry in ways we haven’t seen in more than 30 years.

To Alberta conservatives and industry types, this is the point where Thomas Mulcair really does start to look like Lenin.

But he’s a smart one, this fellow, and he’ll pose a tough question to Alberta PCs: Do you really want your industry to benefit Canada or do you just want to talk about it?

 

And even the Calgary Sun:

Quote:

He comes in with quite the wind at his back.

He’s not flinching.

NDP boss Thomas Mulcair is doing well in the national polls and then a bigshot stateside says Enbridge’s lousy handling of a pipeline spill in Michigan reminds her of the Keystone Kops.

Enbridge, as in those behind the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline from Alberta to Kitimat B.C., shipping from the oilsands to Asia.

As in a pipeline idea Mulcair hates.

It’s no wonder the man oozes confidence in his standard-issue cowboy duds and look-you-straight-in-the-eye answers.

Based on this coverage, I hope Mulcair makes a point of visiting Calgary and Southern Alberta more often. The chattering class clearly love his scrappy style.

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CBC Newsworld headline just now: NDP's Thomas Mulcair best-dressed at Calgary Stampede

Brachina

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/search/From+paperboy+headline+material/693...

Interesting insite into Mulcair's background. Textile factory and roofing which is one of the hardest jobs I can think of especially during a heat wave, and a paper route.

Brachina
Ippurigakko

I want to share with you guys, about our nunavut grocery food prices are super expensive than southern canada is cheapest comparison. When you go shop and take cart makes full enough food cost $113 (plus dog food) in Ottawa and Iqaluit - $400 and far north has nearly 1,000 dollar, its 900 dollar with dog food!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that why we have feeding my family on fb group. I hope NDP gonna make reducing food prices and cost of living!!!

Brachina

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/the-tories-are-doing-mulcairs...

He for got to mention all the ethics scandals, the fact that Harper has a senate cacus revolt thats side lining his senate reform plans, his socon adgenda on right to die, prostititution, insite and other issues are being crushed in the courts.

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Ippurigako:

 

Thanks for that information. I simply do not understand how the Feds think people can live in the North with that kind of pricing. We simply must come up with a means to deal with it. The north is essential to our national soverignty. I am guessing the answer is going to be actual cash dollars in had subsidies to the people who live in the north (not tax breaks or susbsidies to the businesses), so that they can afford to live. This is clearly in the interests of ALL Canadians.

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I got a letter from the insurance company projecting costs due to inflation right up to 2030.  If you think costs are bad now, including in the north, just wait a bit.

Brachina
mark_alfred

Brachina wrote:
http://m.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/columnists/like-energizer-bunny-... John showers us with his ignorance once again.

Agreed.

nicky
Brachina
Brachina

http://sikhsangat.org/1699/tom-mulcair-http://sikhsangat.org/1699/tom-mu...

Tom guts are one of the things I most like about him.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/as-anniversary-approaches-layton...

I agree Jack would be happy with the Job Mulcair is doing.

Brachina

http://www.wheels.ca/news/mulcair-a-civic-minded-driver/

Mulcair walks the walk, he drives a ford fusion.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1236166--tim-harper-...

How can anyone see this as anything, but a victory for Mulcair and defeat for Harper.

nicky

NDP gives up: convention cyber attacker remains a mystery

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/08/pol-ndp-voting-attack.html

 

While I apprecaiate that the party may not want to spend the money to pursue this further I am a little surprised that the police also seem content to let it drop.

Althought the attacks did not ultimately frustrate or pervert the voting the certaily did delay it for many hours. As such they clearly constitute mischief under s. 430 of the Criminal Code.

An organized attack on the integrity of the voting system designe dto select the leader of the Opposition is certainly something that should concern the police.

Brian Glennie

The NDP's federal employees (CEP 232) have been working without a collective bargaining agreement since March 2011. That strikes me as really odd.

Brachina
Brachina
KenS

I know nothing about the bargaining process, but I know that the explosion in size [and diversity] of the CEP 232 local has not surprisingly been quite the internal process.

Brian Glennie

Okay, but if you are a federal employee of the NDP, the party that went to the wall in defending the rights of Canadian postal workers and Air Canada employees, you've had your wages frozen for the last year and half. The optics seem strange, that's all.

autoworker autoworker's picture

Brian Glennie wrote:

Okay, but if you are a federal employee of the NDP, the party that went to the wall in defending the rights of Canadian postal workers and Air Canada employees, you've had your wages frozen for the last year and half. The optics seem strange, that's all.

Looks rather austere, innit?

KenS

Brian Glennie wrote:

Okay, but if you are a federal employee of the NDP, the party that went to the wall in defending the rights of Canadian postal workers and Air Canada employees, you've had your wages frozen for the last year and half. The optics seem strange, that's all.

Wages are not frozen. These days huge swaths of workers bargain with contracts long expired. In many cases, it has become routine to not START talking until after the contract has expired. The reasons would not be the same in the case of the NDP federal employees- but the outcome is: wage increases are retroactive to the beginning of the contract.

Brian Glennie

KenS wrote:

Wages are not frozen.

They most certainly are. The old CBA is still in effect except, of course, for the scheduled raises part. 

KenS wrote:
 These days huge swaths of workers bargain with contracts long expired.

And how well do you imagine the negotiations are going? These employers are denying their workers the right to bargain collectively.

KenS wrote:
 In many cases, it has become routine to not START talking until after the contract has expired.

Again, that's simply the employer gaining the upper hand. You can tell me that's the new normal, KenS, but that doesn't make it acceptable and I'm a bit alarmed that the NDP are in step with these kinds of predatory management tactics.

 

 

Brachina

If your that concerned why don't you email the CEP and ask what's going on.

You jumping to conclusions. It could be any number of things, like that they're still hiring people and don't want to open negiotations until everybodies in place, it could be they expected Harper to cut staffing budgets and the NDP needed details, it could be that the unionization of staff is more a symbollic justure given that the NDP only has limited control of how much many it has for public staff, it could be the CEP is busy with its CAW merger and hasn't gotten around to it yet, knowing that these workers are safe because they work for the NDP itself.

Brachina

If your that concerned why don't you email the CEP and ask what's going on.

You jumping to conclusions. It could be any number of things, like that they're still hiring people and don't want to open negiotations until everybodies in place, it could be they expected Harper to cut staffing budgets and the NDP needed details, it could be that the unionization of staff is more a symbollic justure given that the NDP only has limited control of how much many it has for public staff, it could be the CEP is busy with its CAW merger and hasn't gotten around to it yet, knowing that these workers are safe because they work for the NDP itself.

janfromthebruce

Also and as an afterthought, don't assume that only management might drag it's feet to get the supposed "upper hand" in bargaining but there may be reasons why a union may perhaps also feel they may benefit by letting the "clock" run out of time.

Brian Glennie

janfromthebruce wrote:

Also and as an afterthought, don't assume that only management might drag it's feet to get the supposed "upper hand" in bargaining but there may be reasons why a union may perhaps also feel they may benefit by letting the "clock" run out of time.

Jan, the clock ran out on their cba quite a while ago and, as a result, federal NDP workers, and there are hundreds of them, have had their wages frozen for the last 18 months.The price of rent and child care along with everything else is going up... Payroll deductions such as EI contributions have increased. Do you really believe the workers opted to take this route? What advantage could they possibly hope to gain?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Employers are employers. They all drag their feet to avoid wage increases.  I have worked for various unions and when it comes to dealing with their employees' unions they are ever bit the employer and sometimes expect far greater personal sacrifice and commitment than other employers just because the cause is worthy. I have been in negotiations as a management rep of a union and also as a union rep with other employers.  Wages are not necessarily retroactive and the practice over the last few years is roll over agreements that contain no increases. 

This union has no power in its relationship with the party. Striking would not be an option for the committed activists they have hired so what do they bring to the table besides a cap in hand.

Doug

Management here also comes to the table with nothing other than the money it gets from the Board of Internal Economy of the House of Commons, where the NDP has two of seven members. To the extent that budget doesn't increase, salaries and benefits don't get to either.

janfromthebruce

Brian, I was only making comment that prolonging negotiations, can in various situations have either party being resistive. I was not actually commenting on this particular situation, but bargaining in general. Sorry for the misunderstanding. It was not my intention.

Brachina

Doug wrote:

Management here also comes to the table with nothing other than the money it gets from the Board of Internal Economy of the House of Commons, where the NDP has two of seven members. To the extent that budget doesn't increase, salaries and benefits don't get to either.

Exactly, the NDP right now doesn't get to decide how much, only how to slice the pie they have. Actually that Tories have cut that Pie down in size to make room for new MPs in 2015.

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