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mark_alfred

The NDP must be redoing their site.  There's some missing stuff.

NorthReport

Maybe they are being hacked.

mark_alfred

I don't think so.  Most of the main site is there, but I can't find the past platform, the constitution, the 2013 convention site, and many of the caucus members' sites.  But, the caucus members' sites do redirect back to the main site. Seems they're rejigging it.

 

trotwood73
knownothing knownothing's picture

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/MacKay+rattled+questions+about+voting+...

MacKay rattled in QP by NDP questions about his voting record on military funding while in opposition

"The attacks seemed to fluster MacKay, who responded by accusing the “NDP government” of not supporting the military and praising the Conservative government of providing unprecedented investment in the Canadian Forces."

felixr
janfromthebruce

So Coderre steps down to run for mayor.  Last election outcome

Canadian federal election, 2011 Party Candidate Votes % ±pp Expenditures
Liberal Denis Coderre 15,550 40.9 -8.9
New Democratic Julie Demers 12,270 32.3 +24.3
Bloc Québécois Daniel Mailhot 6,105 16.1 -9.3
Conservative David Azoulay 3,354 8.8 -4.7
Green Tiziana Centazzo 613 1.6 -1.3
Marxist–Leninist Geneviève Royer 121 0.3 -0.0

knownothing knownothing's picture

This byelection will be huge.

theleftyinvestor

knownothing wrote:

This byelection will be huge.

Indeed... some recent polls have showed a post-leadership Liberal bump is even leading in Quebec, so it'll be interesting to see if that trend reverses once a byelection campaign gets underway.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

It looks to be a far better test than the Labrador by-election.  This will show whether the NDP can continue to grow at the expense of the Liberals and BQ or whether either or both of those parties can win back the voters who jumped ship in the last election. Who wins that by-election is very important to both the NDP and Liberals.  A poor showing by either will hurt them in the lead up to 2015.

theleftyinvestor

Indeed. Even if the NDP lost but still carried as much of the vote as in 2011, it would make a statement that the NDP is holding steady.

Reasonable questions - will the Conservative vote collapse even more, possibly going to Liberals?

Will the Bloc vote collapse even more (most likely in the NDP's favour), or will the BQ-PQ tag team converge on the riding to pump up their prospects?

socialdemocrati...

Yeah, this should be a pretty competitive race. The NDP has a shot at a pickup. Who knows if the Bloc will be resurgent by then -- I think their support is overstated, but who knows.

David Young

I'll make a prediction...

B.Q. Leader Daniel Paille announces that he's going to contest the by-election (not a hope in Hell of him winning!) but as a strategic plan to try and prevent an NDP victory.

Should the NDP be victorious, the B.Q. might not exist in 2015.

 

 

mark_alfred

Good.  It's working again.  I checked the caucus members' sites, and they seem to be working now also, along with the NDP Convention site.

knownothing knownothing's picture
David Young

janfromthebruce wrote:

So Coderre steps down to run for mayor.  Last election outcome

Canadian federal election, 2011 Party Candidate Votes % ±pp Expenditures
Liberal Denis Coderre 15,550 40.9 -8.9
New Democratic Julie Demers 12,270 32.3 +24.3
Bloc Québécois Daniel Mailhot 6,105 16.1 -9.3
Conservative David Azoulay 3,354 8.8 -4.7
Green Tiziana Centazzo 613 1.6 -1.3
Marxist–Leninist Geneviève Royer 121 0.3 -0.0

Compare the 2011 results to the 2004 results, and you see just how the political landscape has changed there:

            2004      2011

LIB     20,927   15,550      -5,377

B.Q.    15,794    6,105      -9,689

CON.    2,226     3,354     +1,128

NDP     1,661    12,270   +10,609

GR         660        613           -47

OTH       557        121         -436

I hope that Julie Demers would be willing to seek the NDP nomination again!

 

PrairieDemocrat15

Don't forget about Liquor and Gaming profits, too.

Its sad that the Sask party has banned any future public liqour stores. The gov't says it costs too much money. What a joke! Owning liqour stores provides revenues to the gov't.

PrairieDemocrat15

If the Liberals don't hold this seat, they're in trouble. It will weaken "Liberal resurgence (at the expense of the NDP)" narrative.

A New Democrat victoy would be huge for the party.

mark_alfred

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:

If the Liberals don't hold this seat, they're in trouble. It will weaken "Liberal resurgence (at the expense of the NDP)" narrative.

A New Democrat victoy would be huge for the party.

Hopefully that will happen.

felixr

The Liberals should be able to hold the seat. They are soaring in the polls and Denis Coderre carried a lot of negatives with him (but also a lot of name recognition). I figure Coderre can corral the money and the team to run for mayor, but I wonder if he can win. Anyways, I will not miss him too much on the federal scene. I wonder if the Conservatives will keep their deposit.

mark_alfred

I was checking the taglines of the parties.  Here's what I found:

NDP:  "Leadership.  Experience."

Conservative:  "7 years of strong leadership."

Liberal:  "Hope and hard work....be part of the change."

Greens:  "Welcome to the Green Party."

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mark_alfred

knownothing wrote:

Romeo Saganash at Residential School Hearings

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=914328&playlistId=1.1256098&binId=1.8...

The link worked, but the video didn't run for me (I use mplayer on Linux, so that might be why).

mark_alfred

mark_alfred wrote:

I was checking the taglines of the parties.  Here's what I found:

NDP:  "Leadership.  Experience."

Conservative:  "7 years of strong leadership."

Liberal:  "Hope and hard work....be part of the change."

Greens:  "Welcome to the Green Party."

The strategy for the NDP seems to be emphasizing is readiness to govern.  For the Cons it's continuing the status quo (and not trying out the "reckless and dangerous" NDP).  For the Liberals it's establishing that they are new and inexperienced, thus representing change from the current gov't, and change from their past (Trudeau did attempt to link the NDP and Cons in one of his speeches, and an ad the Libs had in the latter part of the last election claimed Layton and Harper were "two sides of the same coin").  For the Greens, it's, well, they're green.

It's probably a good strategy for the NDP to try to establish itself as a serious contender, to combat the perception that they've never held federal office and thus should not be considered (IE, they're neither the red nor blue doors).  It flies in the face of previous strategies that emphasized change and newness, though.  And thus, it feels a bit odd to me.

Brachina

Its probably in an effort to contrast against Justin's empty resume.

knownothing knownothing's picture

mark_alfred wrote:

It's probably a good strategy for the NDP to try to establish itself as a serious contender, to combat the perception that they've never held federal office and thus should not be considered (IE, they're neither the red nor blue doors).  It flies in the face of previous strategies that emphasized change and newness, though.  And thus, it feels a bit odd to me.

 

It is time for the next phase. We are putting ideology in the back pocket and settling into playing the game if the game will have us. There is still tremendous opposition to the NDP from the business elites and that is why they are so sycophantically throwing themselves all over JT. We shall be playing the game from now until they throw us out of 24 Sussex, whenever that may be.

mark_alfred

Retailers feel consumer fallout over Bangladesh factory collapse

Quote:
NDP foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar said most Canadians were shocked when they saw the working conditions in Bangladesh.

"We have trade offices and missions all over the world and we should be using those assets we have to ensure that when it comes to Canadian companies engaged overseas, that there's basic labour standards... actually being followed," he said.

socialdemocrati...

I appreciate that the NDP needs to show it's "ready to govern", but I don't think anyone questions that, other than the people who quickly default to "the NDP is too left to govern". It's much more important to show the incredible integrity of the NDP caucus, standing firm on issues that the rest of the world is only catching up on. And contrasting with the lying and cheating of the other parties in recent history.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Here is a picture to hopefully cheer us all up a bit. This is Jack Layton and I during the start of Kevin Chief's run for the Winnipeg North MP spot:

Me and Jack

I hope this doesn't seem overly self induglent. I have been looking for it a long time. I kind of chased after him a bit like a kid trying to get an autograph from his favorite big league slugger! EmbarassedWink

ETA: I'm the fat middle aged guy next to jack (blessed be his memory) trying really hard not to look too excited, I was!

janfromthebruce

That's lovely Arthur.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Great photo. Thanks Arthur!

knownothing knownothing's picture

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/04/20130...

MONTE SOLBERG: NDP’s new reality as contenders

janfromthebruce

Commenter to Solberg's article and got it right.

Jason Sammut · Top Commenter · FT Driver at UPSThis whole article is a sign of lower intelli9gence on the right. Communism and socialism are to different things. communism is to socialism what Harper's fascism is to capitalism. that's plan fact. if the sun and it's supports don't like it then turn in your health and social insurance cards. don't call the police, fire or ambulances without paying for it when they show up and if we ever get invaded by a foreign country you would be on your own. that's what socialism gives you! With out socialism there is no society. socialism is just a way to do thing's not the result. it's about spreading the cost to all citizens not jut the rich. look at what's happening in the U.S. people are dying cause they can't afford doctors even with Obamacare. Our system is far from perfect but to go backwards is just dumb.

I gave him a thumbs up before the right wingers do their many thumbs down.

Here's an interesting but very long article from In These Times,

Lean Socialist

Why liberalism needs socialism–and vice versa.

BY Bhaskar Sunkara

Last paragraph

The only way back to political relevance for socialists lies through realistic engagement with politics as it exists today. And that involves messiness and compromise—reaching out to liberals as friends and allies—while not losing sight of the need to decisively transform a political framework built on a self-destructive and morally intolerable mode of production.

Meeting the public where they are at rather than where you want them to be means realistic engagement with politics as it exists today. I believe the NDP figured that out. If you keep digging and bascially get the same results over and over again, you quit digging, while not losing sight of the need to decisively transform a political framework....

 

knownothing knownothing's picture

Although I agree with much of the comment I still believe it misses the importance of the Solberg article. The media is slowly coming around to the NDP one journalist at a time, one story at a time. Considering the shitstorm of bad press we have been getting, I accept these articles as irrational solace.

Mulcair is almost like Lenin. He doesn't want to wait for capitalism to run its course. He is ready now. He and his vanguard will take power systematically and opportunistically and we will see a grand experiment take place here in Canada.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

knownothing wrote:

Although I agree with much of the comment I still believe it misses the importance of the Solberg article. The media is slowly coming around to the NDP one journalist at a time, one story at a time. Considering the shitstorm of bad press we have been getting, I accept these articles as irrational solace.

Agreed. Despite Justin and everything else, it is beginning to sink in that the NDP is the alternative government in waiting.

knownothing wrote:

Mulcair is almost like Lenin. He doesn't want to wait for capitalism to run its course. He is ready now. He and his vanguard will take power systematically and opportunistically and we will see a grand experiment take place here in Canada.

Huh? Lenin? I recently described Mulcair in another thread as "Bill Davis with a beard". I meant that light-heartedly, and with no insult intended for either Mulcair or Davis. It just seems to me that they are both great examples of reassuringly solid, middle of the road politicians, albeit with Mulcair postioned modestly further left. What has Mulcair said or done to make him comparable to Lenin?

 

janfromthebruce

I don't see Mulcair as Lenin either.

socialdemocrati...

Yeah, I'm sure there was a point in there somewhere, but it might have gotten lost in the hyperbole.

knownothing knownothing's picture

In Marxist history, Lenin didn't wait for the capitalist revolution to run its course. He led the vanguard to take over Russia "prematurely". I am referring to the many people on babble who don't want us to sell out our principles to get power. Lenin was an impatient opportunist. In this way, he is like Mulcair. Sure if we waited 50 or 60 years, the people of Canada might elect a true socialist party but Mulcair is not going to wait for that. He wants it now whatever the consequences.

"In the long run, we are all dead" - Keynes

 

Speaking of dead:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/04/29/thomas_mulcair_and_the_ndp...

Thomas Mulcair and the NDP are far from dead in Quebec: Hébert

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

OK, I see your point now, but I would suggest that Mulcair more closely matches Kerensky than Lenin, if we are going to look for analogies in 1917 Russia.

Brachina

Michael Moriarity wrote:

if we are going to look for analogies in 1917 Russia.

Lets not.

knownothing knownothing's picture

lol

janfromthebruce

yeah, that was funny, good one

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Brachina wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

if we are going to look for analogies in 1917 Russia.

Lets not.

I couldn't agree more.

 

mark_alfred

NDP bill on giving more power to the parliamentary budget officer.

Brachina

mark_alfred wrote:

NDP bill on giving more power to the parliamentary budget officer.

I really hope this bill passes, the Libs have said they'll support it and I doubt the Greens or Bloc will oppose it, so it just remains for us to sway some Tories like we did on the Transgender bill. Here's hoping.

theleftyinvestor

The difference is, the trans rights bill had nothing to do with money. At least not federal government money.

Giving more power to the PBO would be a money bill. No way Cons would get a free vote.

Unionist

theleftyinvestor wrote:

The difference is, the trans rights bill had nothing to do with money. At least not federal government money.

Giving more power to the PBO would be a money bill. No way Cons would get a free vote.

I thought "money bills" could only be tabled by a minister... I don't think this is a "money bill".

The reason it can't pass is not because of money. It's because of power.

 

Brachina

 Agrred this not a money bill, it does nothing to change the PBOs budget and it does not give the PBO additional money. What ever additional powers and protections from interference that this bill will grant will have to be exercised within current budgetary constrains.

socialdemocrati...

Agreed. Let's not.

(The epilogue of Lenin's "premature" revolution was a government nearly as regressive as the one they replaced. Thanks but no thanks.)

mark_alfred

theleftyinvestor wrote:

The difference is, the trans rights bill had nothing to do with money. At least not federal government money.

Giving more power to the PBO would be a money bill. No way Cons would get a free vote.

I believe the fact that it may cost money would deem it a nonstarter.  It doesn't directly call for spending, but I think the PBO may have stated that it would in fact incur a cost, thus ruling out consideration of it.  Which, if true, is too bad.  Still, it's a sign that the NDP are truly throwing what they can at this government in the hope that some of it sticks.

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