NDP foreign policy lining up with U.S.

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NDP foreign policy lining up with U.S.

... while everyone watches the "leadership" race...

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Stockholm

I think its great. What's not to like?

clambake

To be fair, Kim Jong-Il was pretty evil.

And i'm fine with them exerting pressure on Syria, as long as it doesn't involve an intevention by NATO.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Unionist is right, although he's Left. If the NDP become Liberals, why not vote for the real thing?

Fidel

Looks like the NDP won't be playing the cold war game part deux. That's too bad because Canada is still a subserviant northern colony regardless of the opposition party's clever maneuvering through political mine fields and leaving lapdog newz media desperate for anti-NDP propaganda.

The NDP could become the Libranos some day I suppose. That's if the Liberal Party ever stops accepting money under the table from Bay Street bankers. But I think the Liebrals and their bff the Reformatories are still playing footsy with Bay Street. Some things we can count on remaining the same.

Unionist

Fidel wrote:

Looks like the NDP won't be playing the cold war game part deux.

Fidel, why don't you look up the NDI and the IRI (although I'm quite sure you know who they are) and tell me if they are 1) NGOs, and 2) worth condemning Egypt for throwing the dirty scum out.

By the way, Audrey McLaughlin did a stint for the NDI in Baghdad, just after the U.S. invasion, teaching Iraqis how to create democratic political parties. I know this sounds like an April Fool's kind of statement, and I honestly wish it was, but I didn't make it up. Oh, and if you don't recall the story, read about her erstwhile aide and where he ended up.

 

Unionist

clambake wrote:

 

And i'm fine with them exerting pressure on Syria, as long as it doesn't involve an intevention by NATO.

Get with the program, please. Harper is supposed to exert pressure on China and Russia - to get them not to veto the next step towards invasion. Too late.

 

 

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Looks like the NDP won't be playing the cold war game part deux.

Fidel, why don't you look up the NDI and the IRI (although I'm quite sure you know who they are) and tell me if they are 1) NGOs, and 2) worth condemning Egypt for throwing the dirty scum out.

By the way, Audrey McLaughlin did a stint for the NDI in Baghdad, just after the U.S. invasion, teaching Iraqis how to create democratic political parties. I know this sounds like an April Fool's kind of statement, and I honestly wish it was, but I didn't make it up. Oh, and if you don't recall the story, read about her erstwhile aide and where he ended up.

Don't worry, because nobody listens to Ottawa anyway. Not even the UNSC. Steve couldn't vicious toadie his way to a seat on the council. He's useless. Just a colonial administrator and nothing more. He'll be kicking stones down the road by 2015.

Fidel

And we are still waiting for Unionist to volunteer to lead an emergency civilian crew and head up to Attawapiskat for a year or two. Don't forget to bring some skill saws, framing hammers, nails, nail aprons and lots of lumber. They are waiting for you, U. Clock's running. It's go time. 

Unionist

Who is minding the shop here? Does Turmel dream up this pro-U.S. stuff out of her head (as she did when she welcomed the troops home from Libya), or do they let someone like Hélène Laverdière (whom I happen to have a lot of respect for) run free?

This condemnation of Egypt for apparently turfing out and/or prosecuting two U.S. spy agencies is really hitting bottom.

 

R.E.Wood

Unionist wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Looks like the NDP won't be playing the cold war game part deux.

Fidel, why don't you look up the NDI and the IRI (although I'm quite sure you know who they are) and tell me if they are 1) NGOs, and 2) worth condemning Egypt for throwing the dirty scum out.

By the way, Audrey McLaughlin did a stint for the NDI in Baghdad, just after the U.S. invasion, teaching Iraqis how to create democratic political parties. I know this sounds like an April Fool's kind of statement, and I honestly wish it was, but I didn't make it up. Oh, and if you don't recall the story, read about her erstwhile aide and where he ended up.

 

 

Audrey has done several missions with the NDI. Most recently (as far as I can tell) in Egypt: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/01/05/pol-egypt-canadians-electi...

Unionist

Hélène Laverdière wrote:
“NDI and IRI are both excellent examples of organizations that work to support democracy-building in countries in transition.”

I did not make this up.

 

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

This condemnation of Egypt for apparently turfing out two U.S. spy agencies is really hitting bottom.

 

Oh? I thought our lapdog newz media described them as "NGO's." US-funded NGO's are supposed to operate at arm's length from the cosmetic government in Warshington. At least, that's what our lapdog newz media hounds tend to say about it.

It looks like the NDP are refusing to be stationary targets for the Rex Murphys and Craig Olivers reporting on colder war newz at 11.

Unionist

Here's who the NDP is defending:

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The International Republican Institute (IRI) is a non-profit, non-partisan organization founded in 1983 after President Ronald Reagan's 1982 speech before the British Parliament in Westminster in which he proposed a broad objective of helping countries build the infrastructure of democracy. Quoting the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights, he stated: "we must be staunch in our conviction that freedom is not the sole prerogative of a lucky few but the inalienable and universal right of all human beings."

The Westminster speech led to the establishment of the National Endowment for Democracy by Congress in 1983. The endowment is a mechanism to channel congressional funds to the International Republican Institute and three other institutes: the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the American Center for International Labor Solidarity, and the Center for International Private Enterprise. These organizations provide technical assistance to political bodies worldwide.

ETA: And thanks, JKR - but why worry about world peace when there's a leadership race on?

 

JKR

One thing seems to be getting forgotten regarding the Security Council vote regarding Syria. The Chinese and Russian sides:

China halts 'one-sided' draft - People's Daily

Disgusting USA and Rice, are you going to STOP now? - Pravda

 

Seems like Russia and China don't want a repeat of the fiascos in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya.

Once again we see how easy it is for the West to start war and how easily the NDP is manipulated into supporting one-sided NATO-led wars.

JKR

Maybe the NDP should now call for support for Russia's peace mission?

 After UN veto, Russia seeks to quell Syrian violence on its own

Fidel

Well I am not going to defend her although I don't see it anywhere in the NDP's platform to support a number of obsolete cold war relic agencies still funded by Warshington.

The Myths of ‘Democracy Assistance': U.S. Political Intervention in Post-Soviet Eastern Europe Monthly Review

JKR

Unionist wrote:
JKR - but why worry about world peace when there's a leadership race on?

Maybe the NDP can come up with a way it can support balanced peace plans?

NDPP

Try holding your nose tighter...

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..i'm thinking that, year after year, maybe 90% or more of the resources, human or otherwise, on the left goes to the ndp. i'm talking about the resources that go to defeating neoliberal policies. that opposed to say 1/3 going to the general strike and 1/3 going into the neighbourhoods and organizing for grassroots democracy. as someone who spent at least 28 years in the workforce i can say i have gained more from the strike than i ever did from several ndp govs both in man and bc.

..the health care we enjoy today was born of a broad social movement as was the ccf. the ccf was not independent of that movement as the ndp (the party) is today. health care was not created by a hero but by working people who were willing to put themselves out on the street. to say otherwise would be to rewrite history. my great grandfather fought alongside louis riel in that rebellion so said his daughter, my grandmother. struggle didn't begin with the ccf.

..i don't begrudge the ndp it's share but i do challenge the left's analysis as to what would be the better vehicle to create real change. there is no doubt that the capitalist system is the cause of most our economic and structural troubles. well the ndp is a capitalist party. their reforms and governance need to occur within that system. so why so much of the resources going here? this is a practical question in my view.

 

Ripple

Thanks, Unionist, for raising this, and thanks epaulo13, for framing it in a practical way.  I am a good organizer, with limited time and energy.  I have been struggling with this question - do I spend my limited resources (financial, time, energy) on supporting a candidate in the leadership campaign who I think has the potential to conceive of politics in a different way, or do I continue with  popular struggle?  It's not really an either- or, of course.  I can support a candidate, take a bit of time away from my usual work.  But am I going to be disillusioned? Not if my "candidate" ( i'mnot a party member) loses,but what if he wins and it's the same old?  NDPP may be right ... I'll just have to hold my nose tighter.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

We hear so little of the NDP in the mainstream media that it was cringe worthy to hear about Turmel demanding that Harper pull our Embassy out of Syria and condemning China and Russia for not supporting that UN resolution for intervention.

Ever since the NDP jumped on the "Durban 11" boycott bandwagon, their foreign policy has been perfectly aligned with Harper and Washington DC.

Slumberjack

The problem with "Pro-Democracy" Groups you say?

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The IRI is an international arm of the U.S. Republican Party, so anyone with the stomach to watch the Republican presidential debates might doubt whether this is a "democracy-promotion" organization. But a look at some of their recent adventures is enough to set the record straight.....

There's little remaining difference, if any, between talking with NDP supporters here, or talking to Liberal and Conservative shills on any other board, such as the CBC funny pages, aka their online comment sections.

Slumberjack

Ripple wrote:
I'll just have to hold my nose tighter.

You do realize that in continuing to support the NDP, you continue to support the kind of full on imperialism and neo-colonialism that never stops long enough to catch a breath?  The new NDP normal..Stephen "Batman" Harper and Nicole "Robin" Turmel.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Geez, SJ. That strikes me as a lousy thing to say to a dedicated anti-war actvist and organizer. And in reading Ripple's post, I'd say that she does know exactly what you're talking about.

And Fidel, all of us could drop our quotidian lives and head to areas of poverty and immiseration, bringing all our energies and resourses to bear, Christ-like, on the victims of neo-liberalism. That doesn't make it a good club to wield against those you disagree with, please.

Slumberjack

I don't have visibility as to what people do or don't do CF, except what is said here.  But it strikes me as accurate, as it might for you as well, regarding continuing support for this party in light of this and other examples.  It's right there on the website as Unionist pointed out:  

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NDI and IRI are both excellent examples of organizations that work to support democracy-building in countries in transition.

I don't expect a membership card burning party here anytime soon however.  The apologentsia will just have to step things up a notch as they're always prepared to do.  They should just borrow the Navy's Ready Aye Ready slogan.

Unionist

[thread drift]

SJ, I'm with you in spirit. But I voted for the Bloc in Outremont for several elections, then I voted Mulcair three times in a row. The Bloc supported the Afghanistan "mission". Mulcair is an unabashed apologist for Israeli crimes. Both of them would be difficult to align with my ideas about socialism.

But when I go to the store, I try to buy the least toxic food products, the least child-labour-anti-union-made-in-apartheid-states clothing, and so on and so forth. Almost every choice I make in life, I end up with something imperfect, but hopefully less imperfect than my other imperfect choices.

And so it is with electoral politics. Unfortunately, there is no political party I know which takes a consistent and worthy stand on issues of imperialism. So I vote (and even donate money and campaign) sometimes for one, sometimes another, sometimes (rarely) I give it a miss. I've never found anyone I agree with, so I approach it the way I shop and make other decisions in life. But I reserve the freedom to shop around, and to voice my criticisms when and how I deem appropriate. That's why I can't be a member of the NDP or any other party.

[/ end of drift for now]

And thank you, Ripple, for being here and being out in the movement as well!

 

Todrick of Chat...

 

The New Democratic Party condemns the reported massacre in Homs yesterday by Syrian forces.

New Democrats stand in solidarity with the Syrian people and their democratic aspirations. We categorically condemn the Syrian government's violent crackdown on peaceful pro-democracy protests and are alarmed at the escalation in violence by Syrian forces yesterday. Canada should immediately recall our ambassador from Syria.

New Democrats are incredibly disappointed by Russia and China's veto of a UN Security Council resolution on the crisis this morning. We call on the Canadian government to immediately exert diplomatic pressure on China and particularly Russia in order to secure a UN resolution on the crisis.

On behalf of New Democrats, I wish to extend our thoughts and prayers to the families of those killed yesterday in Homs and to the courageous people of Syria.

http://www.ndp.ca/press/statement-by-official-opposition-foreign-affairs-critic-helene-laverdiere-on-syria

 

Well, in my view it seems the NDP wants to meddle in another country's affairs once again. They have jumped on the NATO war wagon in full force this time.

The propaganda coming out of NDP Headquarters is on par for Harper's office.

Soon they will be supporting the war on Iran.

Slumberjack

Unionist, you don't have to tell me. I'm still an id card carrying member of the military until 12 Feb. When an organization represents itself as something other than the reality of what it is, or what it has become, then I think it is correct to have the contradictions pointed out, from within or from without. If the NDP membership were serious about promoting democracy from within, if that even matters anymore above the seemingly more urgent task of reaching for power, then they would find some way to hold its leaders accountable for these rogue policy decisions that do not spring from rank and file voting, but apparently from the same contagious sycophancy affecting just about all of our public and private institutions and leaders...just like the various non-hetero communities in the military did 20 years ago when they were still being arrested and subjected to interrogations...just like the battered spouses within the military who demanded better protection by the system and its regulations....sexual assault victims, etc....they shone their uncomfortable spotlights on things that never wanted to change in the first instance...upon a bunch of similar sycophants who felt they could keep ignoring the systemic abuse and injustice to suit their own positions. These people who put themselves on the line for what minimum protections they extracted didn't just say 'it ain't so bad...look at what other militaries do with their people.'

Unionist

SJ, I agree with you. I guess I overstated my point. I just thought mocking Ripple, who obviously understands these truths as well or maybe better than we do (and she said as much in her post), is not the right target for being lectured to.

 

Slumberjack

I know of Ripple's posts.  The cartoon pic points out just what the nose clenching bit is really about....as in...this is what it is.  There's no polite way to sugar coat some things you know..there it is...it stinks...i'm holding my nose and going in anyway.  I certainly never expected immunity for my thoughts about it.

NDPP

at least we all now know that people here are completely aware they are supporting an openly imperialist war party...as always the no difference party trump card is 'the others are worse'. Increasingly, they become the same.

Slumberjack

NDPP wrote:
at least we all now know that people here are completely aware they are supporting an openly imperialist war party...as always the no difference party trump card is 'the others are worse'. Increasingly, they become the same.

That reminds me of a line which I believe was attributed to Martin Bormann at the encircled Fuhrer Bunker in Berlin, amidst the noise from a Soviet artillery barrage occurring above ground, and upon receiving word of treasonous actions on the part of Goering and Himmler who were seeking parlay with the enemy for the purposes of surrender, where he was to have said that at least they now know who they can really count on.

NDPP

Good one! In the Caplan-Baird thread, Caplan correctly says that 'incrementally, stealthily, furtively, Stephen Harper is moving Canada towards' 'dystopia'.

Baird in describing the workings of this government reveals "It may also surprise Mr. Caplan to learn how closely I worked, first as Government House leader and later as Foreign Minister with New Democrats...in developing Canada's response to the Libyan uprising."

On the future, however, Caplan inexplicably and mistakenly in my view,  concludes "I'm sure the NDP will put up a vigorous fight".

The point is that Canadian foreign policy alignment with the US is nothing new but advancing rapidly. And if the NDP, as has been amply demonstrated, won't in fact 'put up a vigorous fight', then why continue to support it 'incrementally, stealthily, furtively' moving Canada towards the support of more appalling  US foreign policy aggression like Libya, Syria or Iran?

This state is not your friend. Nor is the NDP parliamentary component of it. It is time to deal with them as the co-conspirators they are and either make the appropriate corrections or declare them as the political enemies they are and move on to the desperately important work that is NOT being done by them.

I don't quite understand, given the amount of work and energy many progresssives devote to electing these sellouts, how they tolerate the relentless and ongoing betrayals by this party. There's something quite sick about that.

Unionist

NDPP wrote:

I don't quite understand, given the amount of work and energy many progresssives devote to electing these sellouts, how they tolerate the relentless and ongoing betrayals by this party. There's something quite sick about that.

No one has to "tolerate" the betrayals. We can speak out against them, organize against them, and make sure there are real-life movements outside the electoral arena which are healthy and vibrant. The problem is that you and I can't point to a single party of any credibility or potential that rejects these betrayals.

My own approach, therefore, is to condemn the warmongering pro-Israel pro-U.S. pro-Canadian-imperialist tendencies and individuals in these parties (like the Peter Stoffers and Paul Dewars and Pat Martins etc.), support the decent-looking types even if they're in total confused retreat at a given moment (like Libby Davies and the already destroyed Svend Robinson and Bill Siksay), and influence those who can be influenced to take a decent stand on at least some matters of importance (Jack Layton, Mulcair - who although an unrepentant pro-Netanyahu type, still called clearly for troops out of Afghanistan in 2007, which helped him get elected - etc.).

So the issue isn't whether you "support the NDP" or not - except for those flag-waving "My party right or wrong" type or "They're wrong no matter what they say or do" types. Those are easy positions to assume. But they're both hard to reconcile with real life.

That's why I open threads like this. Not to "expose" the NDP (they're past masters at that themselves) - but to encourage people with anti-imperialist spirit to stand up and be counted. Whether they hate the NDP or love it. Because when we stand on the brink of world catastrophe, I'd rather we had leading figures in the NDP and the Liberals and the Bloc and the Greens and in every union and province and city, etc., who are AGAINST lining up with the warmongers and imperialists - no matter how inconsistent or fickle they are. Wouldn't that be better than just sitting on the sidelines and praising/condemning everyone?

 

Lord Palmerston

Unionist wrote:
No one has to "tolerate" the betrayals. We can speak out against them, organize against them, and make sure there are real-life movements outside the electoral arena which are healthy and vibrant. The problem is that you and I can't point to a single party of any credibility or potential that rejects these betrayals.

My own approach, therefore, is to condemn the warmongering pro-Israel pro-U.S. pro-Canadian-imperialist tendencies and individuals in these parties (like the Peter Stoffers and Paul Dewars and Pat Martins etc.), support the decent-looking types even if they're in total confused retreat at a given moment (like Libby Davies and the already destroyed Svend Robinson and Bill Siksay), and influence those who can be influenced to take a decent stand on at least some matters of importance (Jack Layton, Mulcair - who although an unrepentant pro-Netanyahu type, still called clearly for troops out of Afghanistan in 2007, which helped him get elected - etc.).

So the issue isn't whether you "support the NDP" or not - except for those flag-waving "My party right or wrong" type or "They're wrong no matter what they say or do" types. Those are easy positions to assume. But they're both hard to reconcile with real life.

That's why I open threads like this. Not to "expose" the NDP (they're past masters at that themselves) - but to encourage people with anti-imperialist spirit to stand up and be counted. Whether they hate the NDP or love it. Because when we stand on the brink of world catastrophe, I'd rather we had leading figures in the NDP and the Liberals and the Bloc and the Greens and in every union and province and city, etc., who are AGAINST lining up with the warmongers and imperialists - no matter how inconsistent or fickle they are. Wouldn't that be better than just sitting on the sidelines and praising/condemning everyone?

No, I'd rather have a debate between those who think the NDP can do no wrong and those who think the NDP can do no right.  Otherwise, it just gets too confusing. 

Fidel

Catchfire wrote:
And Fidel, all of us could drop our quotidian lives and head to areas of poverty and immiseration, bringing all our energies and resourses to bear, Christ-like, on the victims of neo-liberalism. That doesn't make it a good club to wield against those you disagree with, please.

 

I agree, and I think this whole thread is a bit much coming from babblers who have stated categorically that there is no proof that Al-Qaeda, the US Military government in Washington and the CIA are all one and the same special interest group operating in the Middle East, North Africa, Bosnia and Macedonia, and Central Asia today. The NED, USAID, IRI, IDI, "Freedom House" etc are still doing today in other countries what the CIA used to do covertly in the 1970s.

Pro-war propaganda is illegal according to international law since Nuremberg. And it seems that the Gladio mafia and their lapdog newz media corporations are above that law. The NDP isn't going to take them on for the sake of a FPTP election campaign and one four-year term in power. The NDP has a general mandate from millions of Canadians to create a bit of democracy in Ottawa, and to create an iota of federal government transparency and accountability to Canadians. The NDP doesn't have the resources to go up against a colder war machine still churning out imperialist propaganda with maximum efficiency throughout North America and the Western world.

And as long as we babblers are still forced to abide by someone or other's general illusion that the U.S. Military government has had nothing to do with "the Arab Spring", I think it hypocritical to be bashing a lone NDP MP for writing a few frilly words regarding NED, IRI etc and Uncle Sam's "democracy assistance" in the great game countries. I mean, democracy is good, right? That's the official mandate for those U.S. Government-funded NGO's carrying out "democracy assistance" in other countries and certainly not "colour revolutions" or anything close to seditious activities. Canadians and Americans are not supposed to be aware of those real functons carried out by the the so-called democratizers. Those obsolete cold war agencies are still doing things off the record and on the QT, and who is the NDP to disagree with that? We're not that big. We just want some democracy ourselves.

Fidel

I'm afraid the NDP can do no right side would have to admit at some point that the CIA and US Government are in on the 'Arab Spring'(and take a wild guess as to what else since 9/11) in order to score full blows against the NDP. I don't think they are willing to get their elbows that dirty. They are only part-time democrats and when politically expedient.

Slumberjack

No worries Fidel.  We already have you down as a given in favour of the NDP's foreign policy statements of late.

Slumberjack

The sidelines is where most of humanity are to be found...including party members who may not agree with the course being set for them, and who have never been asked for their say.  It's high time they came down one way or another regarding this pack of scoundrels leading their party that have decided many times too often in favour of the Harperite vision.  It doesn't only require leading figures to speak out, but a rank and file revolt to eviscerate the machinery from within when the need arises.  That time is past due.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

I renewed my membership because I support the only leadership candidate that seems much more willing to embrace diplomacy and peace than the others - Romeo Saganash. In the past few years, I have not renewed my membership because I was not impressed with the hard on crime and hard on terrorists and enemies of Israel stances I was hearing from the NDP. Last time I donated $$ during an eletion campaign was directly to Bill Siksay.

Turmel is starting to remind me of Tony Blair with her cheerleading for the Libyan and now Syrian and possibly next Iranian invasions. NDP responses to my letters about their failing to stand up for Omar Khadr have been underwhelming. Their response to my letters about joining the boycott of the UN Anti-Racism conference could have been a mimeographed copy of the US State Department's position.

Among the slate of candidates, the ones I trust least with changing this horrible course on foreign policy are Thomas Mulcair and Paul Dewar.

gunder

The only peaceful consencus in Syria will absolutely involve Assad stepoping down voluntarily-surely that's obvious.   The Russians and the Chinese are only feeding their own military-industrial complexes by prolonging the bloodshed.  The Arab League has no interest in western intervention; they had to push for this because of pressure from their own people and the wave of revulsion felt around the world.  It's not a a matter of good guys and bad guys - Syria was going to continue being a client of the west until the latest crackdown.  Seems to me Obama was quite happy to continue prodding the regime rhetorically.  I doubt very seriously that the NDP wants boots on the ground, if only because we were burned on Libya, but also because Canadians aren't interested in Harper's security/millitary agenda going any further.  Surprise surprise, if you get your news from Pravda or the People's Daily, the NDP is going to look like a bunch of Kissingers in comparsion, but it behooves us to make a statement and that was probably the right one.

 

On the first point, however, the idea of the NDP defending meddling  US GONGOs does make my stomach turn.  The generals in Egypt were wagging the dog, and it seems we fell for it.

Slumberjack

gunder wrote:
The only peaceful consencus in Syria will absolutely involve Assad stepoping down voluntarily-surely that's obvious.

It may or may not be obvious for the people of Syria.  It remains for them to decide.  What is not quite so obvious is the nature and mission of the NGOs currently operating in and around Syria.

Fidel

Slumberjack wrote:

No worries Fidel.  We already have you down as a given in favour of the NDP's foreign policy statements of late.

 

And we know which side of the cold war baloney certain babblers have stood. And we know which of us have swallowed the imperialist line on 9/11, "blowback", and 'Arab Spring' without fail.

Some of the baloney I've read in 9/11 threads of the last year or so have lead me to believe that the NDP should probably not embroil themselves in the new colder war. 

The NDP has a mandate from millions of Canadians to introduce a smigeon of democracy to Ottawa. Some things are worth more than fobbing off a few comments regarding what the Gladio mafia is going to do in other countries regardless of what the NDP opposition party says or does not say in a country that doesn't matter to the UNSC and warmongering countries in general. Canada is just another colony of the US empire, and "America's gas tank" until such time as we can dethrone the corrupt stoogeaucracy in Ottawa. And what a glorious day it will be.

Aristotleded24

[url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/foreign-policy-elephant]The Elephant in the Foreign Policy room has been called out before[/url]

DaveW

Stockholm wrote:

I think its great. What's not to like?

I agree ... go NDP

Slumberjack

DaveW, the usual social democrat wrote:

Stockholm wrote:
I think its great. What's not to like?

I agree ... go NDP

I gotta say it here.  LOL.

Fidel

A lot actually. Pinching my nose for now. Undecided

ETA: And if WW III breaks out in the Middle East, I'll be writing a strongly worded letter to the NDP and holding them directly responsible for it happening. 

Slumberjack

Dear Imperialist Dogs?

Unionist

Hélène Laverdière wrote:
“NDI and IRI are both excellent examples of organizations that work to support democracy-building in countries in transition.”

Richard Falk, U.N. special rapporteur on Palestinian human rights, has a brilliant and detailed article in Al Jazeera, providing lots of information about these two organizations beloved by Hélène Laverdière and the NDP. He calls them Trojan horses outfitted by Washington. Well worth a read:

[url=http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/02/2012217132230738823.html]

When an 'NGO' is not an NGO: Twists and turns under Egyptian skies

What motives are behind the US government's strong reaction to the arrest of NGO workers in Egypt? [/url]

NDPP

Unionist wrote:

Hélène Laverdière wrote:
“NDI and IRI are both excellent examples of organizations that work to support democracy-building in countries in transition.”

Richard Falk, U.N. special rapporteur on Palestinian human rights, has a brilliant and detailed article in Al Jazeera, providing lots of information about these two organizations beloved by Hélène Laverdière and the NDP. He calls them Trojan horses outfitted by Washington.

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