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KenS

For the umpteenth time: IF Mulcair pulls more ahead and that leads to more attacks on him by opponents, that is because they want to win, not because of some bullshit self-serving paranoid fantasy notion of an anti-Mulcair coalition.

I and a number of other people around here are strongly anti-Mulcair, often more so than being in favour of a candidate and/or the choice of candidate came later and changes. Not only is that our privilege which should be respected, but we ARE individual members.

We are not candidates, nor are we campaigns, or their representatives, or their surrogates. And no matter how devoted you are to a candidate, you should be able to get your nose away from the grindstone far enough to see the difference.

DSloth

Well this is certainly strange news: [url=http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/03/01/dumont-animera-le-5e-debat]M... Dumont will moderate the final french debate[/url] this sunday.

Yes, [url=http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=78f2c37c-0f41-4... Mario Dumont.

KenS

It does seem strange.

But the moderator in Halifax was the former editor and columnist form the local newspaper. He's not by any means a closet New Dem. And I asked him, he was approached by the party- from Ottawa, not the locals.

That went quite well. The hope is that the questions put to the candidates will have a little more edge, and/or that an outsider will have less fear of stepping on toes.

And Dumont seems further out there than going to a mainstream reporter, but maybe not.

flight from kamakura

wow, that's a puzzler.  i think they're probably trying to gin up local media interest.  dumont, wow.

funny enough, dumont is oddly appropriate: he led the adq to a massive breakthrough at the provincial level to sweep the pq to 3rd place and become official opposition, but then during the next election, the party was essentially swept right back out.  he knows the vagaries of quebec elections better than most, and also how they can work against you.  wonder if he'll ask a question along those lines, haha.  i just get this hilarious mental image of paul dewar sort of stumbling through some answer about the next 70 seats with that over-his-head look he has, while everyone in the room is thinking about the destruction of the adq.

TheArchitect

Raymond Côte, MP for Beauport—Limoilou, is endorsing Peggy Nash.

Côte has stated: "Peggy is the best choice for Quebec. The remarkable team she has attracted here is a testament to the hope she inspires, the energy she ignites, and the sincere reverence she has for our unique perspective and experience."

http://peggynash.ca/2012/nash-adds-another-quebec-mp-to-list-of-endorsers/

NorthReport

Chisholm has decided to support Mulcair for the same reasons I am supporting Mulcair.
Chisholm endorses Mulcair in NDP leadership race

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/68728-chisholm-endorses-mulcair-...

Mulcair was Jack Layton’s Quebec lieutenant. His high profile in that province has propelled him to front-runner status in the NDP leadership race.

Increasingly, the race is becoming a referendum between the more left wing section of the party and the faction — characterized by Mulcair — that supports a Nova Scotia-style push to the centre in order to seize enough mass appeal to unseat the Conservatives.

Mulcair has publicly advocated leaving the "1950s boilerplate" social democracy language behind to win over new voters. Chisholm fully endorses this view.

"I draw on my own experience, which was do we want to form government in Nova Scotia? Do we actually want to have power? Do we want to affect change?" said Chisholm.

"That’s what Tom’s talking about. This idea that we’re going to change our values and principles, that’s just nonsense. It’s about being relevant to more Canadians."

Chisholm said Mulcair has the experience, steady hand and fire in the belly to take on Stephen Harper.

In a phone interview, Mulcair praised Chisholm as "a tremendous ally" and said his endorsement "is really a crucial element of my campaign."

Rival candidates such as Peggy Nash and Brian Topp have criticized Mulcair as someone who risks selling out the ideals of the party in pursuing the centre. They argue that the surge to 103 seats — now 102 following a defection to the Liberals — in last year’s election shows the NDP strategy is working.

Mulcair disagrees. In recent debates, he has noted that the NDP has far surpassed the Liberals but they still remain well short of forming the government. That means appealing to people outside the NDP becomes the goal.

But he also rejects the idea that he wants to move the party to the centre and once told the Toronto Star he wants to move the centre to the NDP.

On Wednesday, he said he doesn’t want to change the principles of the party but wants to reach out to people who share the NDP’s goals but have not voted for the party.

NorthReport

What is the likelyhood of anyone winning on the first ballot?

Hunky_Monkey

Interesting that whole threads were started on Mulcair donations... but not a single one started on Brian Topp's connections to a Rob Ford money man. Funny, that. I'd start one if I thought anything of it with regard to Topp but I don't.

Howard

Good endorsement for Peggy (i.e. the senior MP from Quebec City). Mulcair campaigned with him last election and the campaign was profiled on CPAC. That CPAC profile showed how the wave was starting to break. Cote had run several times before, no one he met going door to door seemed to know that, and they were all voting NDP "this time." He also had almost no campaign materials to give any of the supporters- barely had enough for himself. Interesting stuff. The media asked Cote what was going on and he didn't really seem to know himself but said the NDP's message was resonating.

In other news, Dewar's camp has a new MP endorsement coming,

and Mulcair promises two endorsements tomorrow, one that will be "the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything."

I assume by that he means he will receive an endorsement from his 42nd MP.

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

MP endorsements so far:

Ashton (5)
Herself
Choquette, Francois
Hughes, Carol
Larose, Jean Francois
Raynault, Francine

Cullen (4)
Himself
Atamenko, Alex
Donnelly, Fin
Masse, Brian

Dewar (7)
Himself
Angus, Charlie
Duncan, Linda
Gravelle, Claude
Laverdiere, Helene
Mai, Hoang
Mathyssen, Irene

Mulcair (42)
Himself
Aubin, Robert
Ayala, Paulina
Brahmi, Tarik
Blanchette, Denis
Brosseau, Ruth Ellen
Chicoine, Sylvian
Chisholm, Robert
Cleary, Ryan
Davies, Don
Day, Anne Marie
Dube, Matthew
Dusseault, Pierre Luc
Genest, Rejean
Genest-Jourdain, Jonathan
Groguhe, Sadia
Harris, Dan
Hassainia, Sana
Jacob, Pierre
Kellway, Matthew
Labelle, Pierre Dionne
Lapointe, Francois
Latendresse, Alexandrine
LeBlanc, Helene
Marston, Wayne
Morin, Marc-Andre
Morin, Marie-Claude
Nantel, Pierre
Nicholls, Jamie
Nunez-Melo, Jose
Papillon, Annick
Patry, Claude
Peclet, Eve
Perreault, Manon
Pilon, Francois
Rafferty, John
Ravignat, Matthew
Rousseau, Jean
Sellah, Djaouida
Thibeault, Glen
Toone, Phillip
Tremblay, Jonathan

Nash (10)
Herself
Boutin-Sweet, Marjolaine
Cote, Raymond
Garrison, Randall
Liu, Laurin
Minh-Thu Quach, Anne
Michaud, Elaine
Morin, Dany
Sullivan, Mike
Savioe, Danielle

Topp (12)
Boivin, Francoise
Borg, Charmane
Boulerice, Alexandre
Charlton, Chris
Crowder, Jean
Davies, Libby
Giguere, Alain
Godin, Yvon
Morin, Isabelle
Sandhu, Jasbir
Sims, Jenny
Stewart, Kennedy

Undeclared MPs (22):
Allen, Malcolm
Benskin, Tyrone
Bevington, Dennis
Blanchette-Lamothe, Lysane
Caron, Guy
Cash, Andrew
Christopherson, David
Chow, Oliva
Comartin, Joe
Dore Lefebvre
Freeman, Mylene
Harris, Jack
Hyer, Bruce
Julian, Peter
Leslie, Megan
Martin, Pat
Moore, Christine
Sitsabaiesan, Rathika
Stoffer, Peter
Thibeault, Glen
Tremblay, Jonathan
Turmel, Nicole

 

Women (35)
Ashton: 3
Cullen: 0
Dewar: 3
Mulcair: 12
Nash: 3
Topp: 7
Undeclared:7

Pre 2011 (35)

Ashton: 2
Cullen: 4
Dewar: 5
Mulcair: 5
Nash: 2
Topp: 4
Undeclared: 13

BC (11)

Ashton: 0
Cullen: 3
Dewar: 0
Mulcair: 1
Nash: 2
Topp: 4
Undeclared: 1

Prairies/North (4)

Ashton: 1
Cullen: 0
Dewar: 1
Mulcair: 0
Nash: 0
Topp: 0
Undeclared: 2

Ontario (22)

Ashton: 1
Cullen: 1
Dewar: 4
Mulcair: 5
Nash: 2
Topp: 1
Undeclared: 8

Quebec (58)
Mulcair: 34
Topp: 5
Nash: 6
Ashton: 3
Dewar: 2
Cullen: 0
Undeclared: 8

Atlantic (6)

Ashton: 0
Cullen: 0
Dewar: 0
Mulcair: 2
Nash: 0
Topp: 1
Undeclared: 3

nicky

Tom Mulcair has tweeted that he will have 2 big endorsements tomorrow, one of whom will be the "answer to life, the universe and everything" 

Sounds like LTU's dog. It can't be my dog Angus who has alreay enndorsed Tom (who gave him an autographed poster.) Angus is an Irish wolfhound and is showing ethnic solidarity as well as good taste.

Maybe I shdnt have teased Dewar for calling his Angus a gamechanger.

Any bets who it is?

KenS

Interesting guessing about Romeo.

Is he waiting because he isnt sure yet? Or he is sure, but the campaign in question wants to wait for the announcement?

[And no idea who, but I don't see anything to go on for that guess. Could be Ashton, or nobody, for all I can guess.]

Howard

I could see Christine Moore endorse Mulcair. Any guesses as to who his endorsers might be tomorrow?

Howard

Lou, I think it is Nycole Turmel, but I can forgive you the mis-spelling Wink

Howard

How many of the undeclared have said they will remain neutral? I know Chow, Turmel, Martin, and Stoffer have said they will do so.

On second guess, Mulcair was just in Windsor. He often, but not always, announces endorsements after visiting an area. Could it be Joe Comartin?

Howard

Last guess= Malcolm Allen.

Mulcair is in Welland tonight. Anyone want to take me up on a friendly bet it is Malcolm Allen. If I lose, you get to choose a new byline for me on babble (currently "Oldgoat's dog for leader"). I will post the byline of your choice (so long as it doesn't violate babble policy) for 24hrs.

socialdemocrati...

I said it early on, and I'll say it again now. The worst advertisement against Mulcair is often his own supporters. Remember when the Liberals tell us "sorry, if you want to stop the Conservatives, you HAVE to vote for us?" Remember how obnoxious it was? I sometimes think that 20% of the reason I vote for the NDP is out of spite. New Democrats resent arguments like "the only candidate", "let's coalesce", "if we want to win"... They resent the horserace period, let alone the argument that the race is already done so it's time to pack it in.

Albeit, I've since found that some of his worst critics are even more obnoxious, even if they have a reasonable point once you take out all the hyperbole.

But if you all want to persuade people like me to vote a certain way, quit trying to strong arm me. Again, spite is definitely a factor in how I vote. :)

 

Howard

I'm guessing Dewar announces Saganash, which would be pretty cool if true.

TheArchitect

Howard wrote:

I'm guessing Dewar announces Saganash, which would be pretty cool if true.

Dewar said he would be unveiling a "senior caucus member endorsement," and while Saganash would certainly be a huge caucus endorsement, Saganash can't really be described as a "senior caucus member" given that he was only elected last year.

I'll be interested in seeing who Dewar rolls out.  Malcolm Allen?  Dennis Bevington?  David Christopherson?  Joe Comartin?  Bruce Hyer?

flight from kamakura

i wonder what position dewar will promise to tomorrow's endorser, governor general in waiting?

as for speculation about mulcair's endorsers tomorrow, the answer to "life, the universe and everthing" is 42, meaning he's rolling out another mp endorsement (which i think howard mentioned sort of obliquely).  my guess for mulcair is that it's either malcolm allen or bruce hyer.

NorthReport

I like Nathan Cullen and am supportive of his idea of merging the opposition in some ridings to take down the Cons. It definitely has a lot of merit to it, and Nathan is not the flake some people have suggested he is.

AnonymousMouse

flight from kamakura wrote:

i wonder what position dewar will promise to tomorrow's endorser, governor general in waiting?

as for speculation about mulcair's endorsers tomorrow, the answer to "life, the universe and everthing" is 42, meaning he's rolling out another mp endorsement (which i think howard mentioned sort of obliquely).  my guess for mulcair is that it's either malcolm allen or bruce hyer.

To be even less oblique, this is a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Brachina

Maybe he's got an endorsement from the author of that book? Or maybe its another scientist, this time a noble prize winning,physist? Or Sheldon Cooper.

If it is an MP I have no idea who that comment would indicate.

Brachina

DSloth wrote:

Well this is certainly strange news: [url=http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2012/03/01/dumont-animera-le-5e-debat]M... Dumont will moderate the final french debate[/url] this sunday.

Yes, [url=http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=78f2c37c-0f41-4... Mario Dumont.

That weird given I believe he was allies with the cons. I'd laugh if Mario ran for the NDP federal in 2015.

NDPP

Toronto Developer's $1,200 Donation to Topp's NDP Leadership Campaign Draws Some Criticism

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2012/02/29/toronto-developer's

"A 1,200 campaign contribution to NDP leadership candidate Brian Topp received from a Toronto developer who raised money for Rob Ford's 2010 election campaign is drawing criticism from opponents..."

not to mention those powerful corporate lawfirms...

iancosh

NorthReport wrote:

I like Nathan Cullen and am supportive of his idea of merging the opposition in some ridings to take down the Cons. It definitely has a lot of merit to it, and Nathan is not the flake some people have suggested he is.

 

I agree, but the strategic problem is, will he agree to merge with the Bloc in some Quebec ridings? How would that be received in English Canada? And if he doesn't agree to it, how would that be received in Quebec?

Even if it turns out to be an unworkable strategy, I respect Cullen for thinking of this in terms of empowering local ridings to make their decisions, as well as for his strong commitment to PR.

iancosh

AnonymousMouse wrote:
flight from kamakura wrote:

i wonder what position dewar will promise to tomorrow's endorser, governor general in waiting?

as for speculation about mulcair's endorsers tomorrow, the answer to "life, the universe and everthing" is 42, meaning he's rolling out another mp endorsement (which i think howard mentioned sort of obliquely).  my guess for mulcair is that it's either malcolm allen or bruce hyer.

To be even less oblique, this is a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

 

Ok that clinches it. He's got my vote. ;)

JoshD

Dennis Bevington has endorsed Paul Dewar.

Howard

JoshD wrote:

Dennis Bevington has endorsed Paul Dewar.

Good get. Nathan Cullen has visited the North (Yukon?), have any of the other NDP leadership candidates done so as well?

Brachina

I wonder if anyone to placing bets ala Vegas on who wins the leadership.

NorthReport

Obviously the Liberals are most worried about Mulcair and the Cons probably as well.

What does Thomas Mulcair want to do with the NDP?

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/02/27/what-does-thomas-mulcair-want-to-do-w...

DSloth

Oh, but Mulcair's odds are certainly helped by the Party [url=http://www.ndp.ca/press/voting-opens-for-ndp-leadership-race?utm_medium=... another 1,721 members[/url] in Quebec.

DSloth

Brachina wrote:
I wonder if anyone to placing bets ala Vegas on who wins the leadership.

 

If I was disinterested and I had to bet a $1,000 on who would win and I had to pick one candidate, I'd go with Mulcair.  If however the bet was whether or not Mulcair would win I'd probably go against.

 

My odds would probably look something like this:

Mulcair 40%

Nash 25%

Cullen 10%

Topp 10%

Dewar 8%

Ashton 6%

Singh 1%

 

flight from kamakura

maybe, i don't know though.  it seems to me that if mulcair wins, it'll be because - like jack - he has deep support across the country.

and i'm just really impressed by the bc numbers, wowwo:

Electoral roll per province:  

AB - 9800
BC - 39859
MB - 11,991
NB - 946
NL - 974
NS - 3904
NT - 124
NU - 24 
ON - 36,965
PEI - 262
QC -  13,987
SK - 11,243
YK - 747

DSloth

Oh to be sure Mulcair cannot win on the votes of Quebecers alone and he would not be the frontrunner right now if he wasn't also doing very well coast-to-coast, but it's an open secret that he's cleaning up in Quebec.  The larger the share of the pie that Quebec represents the better for his campaign.

Brachina

DSloth wrote:

Brachina wrote:
I wonder if anyone to placing bets ala Vegas on who wins the leadership.

 

If I was disinterested and I had to bet a $1,000 on who would win and I had to pick one candidate, I'd go with Mulcair.  If however the bet was whether or not Mulcair would win I'd probably go against.

 

My odds would probably look something like this:

Mulcair 40%

Nash 25%

Cullen 10%

Topp 10%

Dewar 8%

Ashton 6%

Singh 1%

 

I'd have 60% Mulcair, 10% Nash, 10% Topp, 10% Cullen, 8% Ashton, and 2% Singh, and 0% odds for dewar.

socialdemocrati...

Got a call from a robopoll. They wanted to know if I was a member, my gender, and my top three choices. Traced the number to a call center.

Judging by the level of media coverage, I'm guessing that people are just *starting* to pay attention now. There's a huge number of undecided voters, and there's time for only one or two last big plays before people go with a "default" option.

josh

What does Thomas Mulcair want to do with the NDP?

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/02/27/what-does-thomas-mulcair-want-to-do-w...

"He wants to make the NDP into a party of the centre, not the left. "

That's exactly what many of us have been saying all along. Thanks for the link!

DSloth

josh wrote:
 That's exactly what many of us have been saying all along. Thanks for the link!

You're awful quick to accept the opinion of a Liberal spinmeister. 

AnonymousMouse

josh wrote:

What does Thomas Mulcair want to do with the NDP?

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/02/27/what-does-thomas-mulcair-want-to-do-w...

"He wants to make the NDP into a party of the centre, not the left. "

That's exactly what many of us have been saying all along. Thanks for the link!

You realize you're quoting a Liberal hack who has repeatedly claimed that Mulcair would destroy/betray the party in a clear attempt to convince New Democrats not to elect the candidate, Mulcair, who he obviously thinks would be best for the NDP, right?

doofy

Well the Conservatives must be scared of Mulcair...

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1139549--tim-harper-...

It begs the question: how stupid to they think we are?

Seems like Mulcair refused to commute to Ottawa and make less than $150000. Yet, he agreed to work as NDP QC lieutenant (did the NDP pay him more than $150 000 from party coffers?!), travel the province, commute to Ottawa, e.t.c... All the while, he had no guarantee of being elected. Only Conservatives could make this up.

Lord Palmerston

AnonymousMouse wrote:
josh wrote:

 

What does Thomas Mulcair want to do with the NDP? http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/02/27/what-does-thomas-mulcair-want-to-do-w... "He wants to make the NDP into a party of the centre, not the left. " That's exactly what many of us have been saying all along. Thanks for the link!

You realize you're quoting a Liberal hack who has repeatedly claimed that Mulcair would destroy/betray the party in a clear attempt to convince New Democrats not to elect the candidate, Mulcair, who he obviously thinks would be best for the NDP, right?

Robert Silver may be a Liberal hack, but he's basically correct.  Mulcair is using pretty much the same language that Third Way modernizers have used in the past, but somehow...Mulcair doesn't really mean it, he's just trying to fool the voters with more centrist language and then will govern on the left.  Besides Silver has a good reason to fear Mulcair, as he's trying to compete for the same space as the LPC, except the NDP "brand" is much less tainted than the Liberal one.

josh

DSloth wrote:

josh wrote:
 That's exactly what many of us have been saying all along. Thanks for the link!

You're awful quick to accept the opinion of a Liberal spinmeister. 

Hey, it wasn't my link. I'm just quoting from it.

Stockholm

doofy wrote:

Well the Conservatives must be scared of Mulcair...

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1139549--tim-harper-...

It begs the question: how stupid to they think we are?

Seems like Mulcair refused to commute to Ottawa and make less than $150000. Yet, he agreed to work as NDP QC lieutenant (did the NDP pay him more than $150 000 from party coffers?!), travel the province, commute to Ottawa, e.t.c... All the while, he had no guarantee of being elected. Only Conservatives could make this up.

That is a good retort...I agree that it seems curious that the Tories would be trying to undermine Mulcair now, rather than waiting until after he wins the leadership.

AnonymousMouse

Lord Palmerston wrote:

AnonymousMouse wrote:
josh wrote:

 

What does Thomas Mulcair want to do with the NDP? http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/02/27/what-does-thomas-mulcair-want-to-do-w... "He wants to make the NDP into a party of the centre, not the left. " That's exactly what many of us have been saying all along. Thanks for the link!

You realize you're quoting a Liberal hack who has repeatedly claimed that Mulcair would destroy/betray the party in a clear attempt to convince New Democrats not to elect the candidate, Mulcair, who he obviously thinks would be best for the NDP, right?

Robert Silver may be a Liberal hack, but he's basically correct.  Mulcair is using pretty much the same language that Third Way modernizers have used in the past, but somehow...Mulcair doesn't really mean it, he's just trying to fool the voters with more centrist language and then will govern on the left.  Besides Silver has a good reason to fear Mulcair, as he's trying to compete for the same space as the LPC, except the NDP "brand" is much less tainted than the Liberal one.

That is entirely, factually incorrect. The "Third Way modernizers" such as Clinton and Blair campaign explicitly on making significant changes to their party policy platforms--welfare and the death penalty for Clinton and nationalization for Blair.

Mulcair has made clear that in the challenge for the NDP is different--and apparently from what he has said, almost entirely about language.

That is why Silver piece repeatedly lies about what Mulcair has said by point words in his mouth and then attaching quotes that were not spoken in that context.

Furthermore, your analysis that what Mulcair is proposing would consitutute "trying to fool the voters with more centrist language and then will govern on the left" is dvoid of any evidence. One can make the case that one's policies are perfectly reasonable and responsible without it being a bait and switch. As a third party, the NDP did not focus on making the case that our policies were reasonable and responsible, we focused on differentiating ourselves from the Liberals. That is simply no longer something we need to worry about--the Liberals are no longer our primary opponents.

DSloth

KenS wrote:

You all really not to stop congratulating your candidate, or yourselves, that the Cons do any of this stuff because they particularly want to get Mulcair.

Riiight, how many candidates has Harper commented about by name in this race again?

socialdemocrati...

Lord Palmerston wrote:
Robert Silver may be a Liberal hack, but he's basically correct.  Mulcair is using pretty much the same language that Third Way modernizers have used in the past, but somehow...Mulcair doesn't really mean it, he's just trying to fool the voters with more centrist language and then will govern on the left.  Besides Silver has a good reason to fear Mulcair, as he's trying to compete for the same space as the LPC, except the NDP "brand" is much less tainted than the Liberal one.

I wouldn't trust a pundit. They're always wrong. Especially Liberal ones.

But even he says that's not his read on the election:

And then he claims he has no idea what Mulcair would change about the party to appeal to centrist voters. I think that's pretty much everyone on Babble.

The truth is we already changed the policy of the party under Jack, maybe earlier. Who was the last New Democrat to call for nationalizing industry? What candidate wants to go further than trade reform, to outright withdrawal from NAFTA?

It's easy to point to how Mulcair's policies would be different from the CCF's policies, but then I could constrast Saint Tommy with any of the current candidates. I'm still waiting for one of the Mulcair critics to point to a real policy difference between the candidates.

Other than Topp's/Cullen's tax policy, a gaping void on Palestine's UN bid , and an argument about the voting status of affiliated members that was already settled a few years ago, we have nothing.

 

KenS

doofy wrote:

Well the Conservatives must be scared of Mulcair...

You all really not to stop congratulating your candidate, or yourselves, that the Cons do any of this stuff because they particularly want to get Mulcair.

They'll throw all the muck they can find. It sticks on us, they aren't fussy about where in particular.

ETA: They do it now because its a distraction: at least for coverage and public observation of the race; and if they are lucky, stirs the pot inside the NDP. And if they wait till after and Mulcair does not win, it has no value to them. While if he wins and they do it now, they can do it lots more in the future. Also, when you circulate stuff like this, they never know what else of benefit to them it may turn up that they did not know about.

KenS

Mulcair has more stuff lying around to use- either real or made up and plausible. And he's the front runner.

There is less stuff available to throw at Topp- he hasnt been a public figure. And it would have to be juicier to get the same notice as tossing something out about Mulcair.

Howard

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