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Brachina
NDP leadership #114

According to the Dewar poll Mulcair is tied for second in Ontario and he was only under the 15,000 mark by 1013 members, not bad for nearly starting from stratch.

nicky

March 6, Andrew Cash hosts event for Thomas Mulcair

 

 

UNITING CANADA:

Reaching Out to All Canadians

WITH Thomas Mulcair

Andrew Cash M.P. and the Davenport Riding

Association host a Meet and Greet with

NDP Leadership Candidate Thomas Mulcair

The Caledonian

(Scottish Pub)

856 College Street

Toronto, ON M6H 1A1

(647) 547-9827

Tuesday, March 6, 2012 7:30 p.m.

OSSINGTON AVE

CONCORD AVE

COLLEGE ST

Introductory remarks by Loly Rico and Francisco

Rico-Martinez, migrant rights activists in Davenport

Riding and supporters of Thomas Mulcair

Designed by: is five COMMUNICATIONS

nicky

Lawrence Martin: "Leak Shows Harper Fears Mulcair."

 

http://www.ipolitics.ca/2012/03/02/lawrence-martin-leak-shows-harper-fears-mulcair/

Brachina

I remember what happened over the dual citizenship issue and how instead of trying to exploit, the rivals circled the wagons. Its one thing to take a shot at Tom one's self, its another to be seen taking Stephen Harper's side over a fellow Dipper.

Especially since we all know that they would have given him a cabanite post in a heart beat, he was that valueable especially to the cons who needed all the help they can get in Quebec and on the enviromental file.

Brachina

nicky wrote:

March 6, Andrew Cash hosts event for Thomas Mulcair

 

 

UNITING CANADA:

Reaching Out to All Canadians

WITH Thomas Mulcair

Andrew Cash M.P. and the Davenport Riding

Association host a Meet and Greet with

NDP Leadership Candidate Thomas Mulcair

The Caledonian

(Scottish Pub)

856 College Street

Toronto, ON M6H 1A1

(647) 547-9827

Tuesday, March 6, 2012 7:30 p.m.

OSSINGTON AVE

CONCORD AVE

COLLEGE ST

Introductory remarks by Loly Rico and Francisco

Rico-Martinez, migrant rights activists in Davenport

Riding and supporters of Thomas Mulcair

Designed by: is five COMMUNICATIONS

Has Cash endorsed Tom?

Policywonk

Brachina wrote:
According to the Dewar poll Mulcair is tied for second in Ontario and he was only under the 15,000 mark by 1013 members, not bad for nearly starting from stratch.

Dewar's poll was weeks ago. And it seems that Mulcair has support accross the country. Someone refered to Mulcair's "small" plurality. I suspect it is significant (perhaps 10% or more). Whether it is enough to win on second and subsequent choices is the question, but I think that unless you are offered favourable odds, at this point to bet against Mulcair will probably cost you.

nicky

No, Andrew is still neutral but look for a bigger endorsement at 3 pm today.

KenS

Poutinegate

We have multiple threads on the Conservatives burgeoning Poutinegate. But I'm going to bring it in here even though its not related to the Leadership race.

More people participate here, and I think those threads are totally caught up with how bad the Conservatives are, will someone go to jail, will there be by-elections.

Those are good questions, but there are major political dynamics regrdless of how exactly those will play out.

I followed the Conservatives 'In and Out' scandal very closely from the very begining. I talked to the reporters who broke the story when they were still figuring out some of the election financing stuff. I had high hopes of where it might lead, but always knew that Elections Canada is compelled to move very slowly, that if the judicial process comes into play, that is a double edged sword because the capability to stall is endless.... and because the In and Out Adscam was not easy to understand.

All those factors are in play with Poutinegate- except the last. This is not complicated in the least. The investigation, prosecution, and the excuses/PR will be complex.... but what happened and what it means, anyone can understand.

With the In and Out, it would have stuck on the Conservatives no matter how long the EC and judicial processes took, or how uncertain the legal conclusions... IF it had been easier for people to understand.

Poutinegate is simple to understand. It has the equivalent of the brown bags of cash that sank the Liberals.

I cant see this sinking the Cons- the Liberals had existing problems that Adscam played into and heightened. The Cons do not have those.

But trust in a government is essential. And what looks like an almost guaranteed tarring is going to materialy effect trust in this government.

What matters is not what Poutinegate directly does to the government. Its going to matter that after this percolates it will be easier to get through to swing voters that these are lying manipulators who do not deserve your trust in protecting your interests.

I don't think it matters how long the formal processes take; and where exactly they end up is secondary.

socialdemocrati...

Some personal musings about who I might support and why/why not:

 

Nash: Nash I trust the most on policy. If I end up concerned that the NDP will move to the right, she will be my default option. However, I'm not sure I trust her to build on the successful strategy we followed under Jack Layton. She hasn't done the best job of talking to people outside the party. I also think she handled taxes and health care poorly, even if I (paradoxically) still trust her the most on those issues.

Mulcair: I have the most confidence in Mulcair to beat Harper. He's easily one of the best communicators in the race. Hearing him talk about the 2008 by-election in Outremont, I believe he has a keen sense of strategy too. If he's a "right wing NDP", it's in the sense that he's the smallest giant. Which means he'll do a decent job if we get a majority, because he basically supports the platform. I just worry when push comes to shove, he'll throw some of our priorities under the bus rather than raise taxes to pay for them.

Topp: I believe Topp will fight for his tax policy, which is so important because we can't implement ANYTHING without proper revenue. I think the policy difference between the candidates is greatly exaggerated. But the key difference with Topp isn't policy, it's strategy. He's not just trying to win elections, he's trying to win specific issues. Topp helped build Jack Layton's strategy and understands the end game better than anyone. It's too bad he just hasn't been a comfortable presenter or communicator, which I think are essential to win.

Cullen: A thought occured to me late in the race: who could I foresee people getting excited about enough to post it all over facebook? Cullen might be the only one. He's the closest to having Jack's demeanor, and breaking through the bullshit that most politicians practie. He's an excellent communicator, maybe better than Mulcair. I hate, hate, hate the strategic cooperation idea. His French is iffy. I can't imagine supporting him. But with a bit of peer pressure, I could see myself rationalizing the cooperation idea away (our membership will reject it, and so will the Liberals). So I wouldn't rule Cullen out.

Ashton: It seems like everyone who talks about Niki mentions her age. (See, I just did.) I resent that. She stuck her neck out on Palestine's UN bid. She stuck her neck out and ran against an NDP incumbent in Northern Manitoba over LGBTQ rights. She has tons of integrity. She'll be 35 by 2015. I relate to her as a young person, and I think a lot of other young people would. Right now, I'm planning on supporting her on the first ballot not just because I believe in her, not just because the other candidates haven't won me over, but also just to send a message to the old white male establishment.

Dewar: No way. His French really sucks. That being said, I hear from a bunch of people in and around Ontario -- particularly who have spent time in Ottawa -- that he's on their list. Peer pressure does matter to me, in the sense that I want to know who has the potential to excite voters. His French has improved, so I can't say I've completely ruled him out. But he has nothing that the other candidates don't have.

Singh: Same thing. I appreciate he's trying to talk to people outside the party. But when you imply that the party has been wrong, you kind of make us all look bad. There should be a way to get people to join our big tent without seeming a little sour on the people already in the tent.

It's basically anybody's race.

Stockholm

Brachina wrote:
Has Cash endorsed Tom?

No, he is hosting all the leadership candidates one by one in his riding.

Howard

Quote:
 With new endorsements from Sharleen Stewart, the president of the Service Employees International Union and veteran Hamilton Centre New Democrat MP David Christopherson, Mulcair unveiled a labour policy that promises to ensure companies involved in foreign takeovers meet the employment commitments they’ve promised.

Link

Hunky_Monkey

Howard wrote:

Quote:
 With new endorsements from Sharleen Stewart, the president of the Service Employees International Union and veteran Hamilton Centre New Democrat MP David Christopherson, Mulcair unveiled a labour policy that promises to ensure companies involved in foreign takeovers meet the employment commitments they’ve promised.

Link

Good endorsements!

socialdemocrati...

Howard wrote:

Link

Interested to see the full policy brief. But here's a preview:

Quote:
Under his leadership, he said, the NDP also would continue to oppose back-to-work legislation and support card-check certification and first contract arbitration.

He would support a $4,500 job creation tax credit for businesses that create new jobs, amend the federal Labour Code to ban replacement workers during a strike or lockout and extend French-language protections to federally regulated workers in Quebec who are not currently covered by provincial language laws.

Mulcair said he also would strengthen the Investment Canada Act to ensure the public has an opportunity to provide input on the impact of foreign investments and takeovers and that companies are required to provide transparent proof as to the “net benefit” of their operations to Canada.

He said he also would support improvements to maternity benefits and allow caregivers to take up to six months to look after a sick relative.

Pretty pleased with it myself.

 

Hunky_Monkey

Quote:
Mr. Christopherson, like Mr. Mulcair, is a former Provincial Cabinet Minister having served as Solicitor General and Minister of Corrections for Ontario. Christopherson explained his support for Mulcair. “I have worked with Tom as an NDP MP for many years and have seen him take on Harper. With him as our leader we will beat the Conservatives in the next election and form the first NDP government.”

Sharleen Stewart has been president of SEIU since 2003 and was the first female Vice President of the Canadian Labour Congress. She has emerged as one of the most influential women in the Canadian labour movement. SEIU was the first major union to back Jack Layton’s leadership bid in 2002 and its support is the latest in a string of labour endorsements for Mulcair, including the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) and former OFL president Wayne Samuelson.

Christopherson is the sixth Ontario MP to endorse Thomas Mulcair and brings the total count of sitting MPs supporting him to 42. This confirms the overwhelming caucus support he has accumulated throughout the campaign, including this Wednesday’s endorsement by former leadership candidate and Nova Scotia MP Robert Chisholm.

Stockholm

Boy that labour policy of Mulcair really looks like a shift to the right. Only a closet Tory could come up with policies like that Innocent

DSloth

Howard wrote:

Quote:
 With new endorsements from Sharleen Stewart, the president of the Service Employees International Union and veteran Hamilton Centre New Democrat MP David Christopherson, Mulcair unveiled a labour policy that promises to ensure companies involved in foreign takeovers meet the employment commitments they’ve promised.

Link

The first major union to endorse Jack Layton in 2002 and a 4-term MP (also 13 year MPP). Not bad work for one afternoon.

The CPC can try their best but Mulcair is winning the week so far.

 

Winston

Howard wrote:

nicky wrote:

No, Andrew is still neutral but look for a bigger endorsement at 3 pm today.

I don't know about you, but Andrew Cash would be a pretty awesome endorsement too. I could easily see him endorsing any of Nash, Topp, Dewar, or Mulcair.

I was rather surprised that he did not endorse Dewar at the same time his former band-mate, Charlie Angus did.  In a way, it's a pity he didn't: can you imagine Paul accusing the others of having Cash-envy?

Howard

Who's ready for Sunday's debate? Last one in French + Mario Dumont.

I would not be surprised if one of the candidates dresses down the moderator at some point Laughing

Howard

nicky wrote:

No, Andrew is still neutral but look for a bigger endorsement at 3 pm today.

I don't know about you, but Andrew Cash would be an awesome endorsement too. I could easily see him endorsing any of Nash, Topp, Dewar, or Mulcair.

Howard

Stockholm wrote:

Boy that labour policy of Mulcair really looks like a shift to the right. Only a closet Tory could come up with policies like that Innocent

I wonder if the CUPW will endorse.

flight from kamakura

they definitely will, on both the cupe and dumont points.

Hunky_Monkey

Robert Chisholm's new facebook status...

Quote:
On February 29th I endorsed Thomas Mulcair for leader of Canada's NDP.

He has the experience and passion to lead this Party to the next level, building on what Jack accomplished. I have watched Tom in the House and throughout the leadership race and have been very impressed with the strength of his conviction to build a better Canada.

He understands the need to speak to Canadians about what is relevant to them, on the basis of our strong social democratic values. We need a government that will place jobs, retirement security, healthcare and the environment at the forefront. One that will listen, and come up with solutions that build stronger communities and a stronger country.

Tom ran for the NDP in Quebec when the prospects looked grim and won. He then worked closely with Jack to build the party in Quebec to the point where we won 58 new seats. To me that signifies courage, and commitment to NDP values.

I led a team of New Democrats in NS that built our party to Official Opposition status, and I have some idea of the challenges our party now faces in Ottawa. I believe Tom is a leader with the skills, experience and passion to stand up to the Conservative government, provide direction and focus for our caucus, and help build the party across the country.

Join me in working with Tom so we can build this party to be prepared to form government. See you in Toronto on March 24!

socialdemocrati...

My candidate is currently in first place: undecided.

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

flight from kamakura wrote:

they definitely will, on both the cupe and dumont points.

Can you explain this comment? I think I missed something.

JeffWells

Just opened the mail-in package, and surprised to see that Romeo's on the ballot. Why would that have happened? Surely he withdrew in time.

Regardless, my first ballot is settled. I'm still voting for Saganash.

Policywonk

Rakhmetov wrote:

Brachina wrote:
According to the Dewar poll Mulcair is tied for second in Ontario and he was only under the 15,000 mark by 1013 members, not bad for nearly starting from stratch.

Their original stated goal was 20000 members, then they lowered the target twice, to 15000, and then again to over 10000.  Not very impressive to have missed the first two targets even after lowering the second one and when there were already a couple thousand in Quebec to begin with.  And the Topp campaign allegedly signed up a fair amount of these in Quebec.

And, as I said, I would be surprised if Mulcair is first in either Ontario or BC.  We can only speculate as the polls are unclear and the Dewar internal poll partisan, but it looks like Nash is first in Ontario with Mulcair either 3rd or tied for second, in BC, Mulcair might even be below Topp, Cullen, and Nash. But it's hard to say.

 

Policywonk wrote:

Dewar's poll was weeks ago. And it seems that Mulcair has support accross the country. Someone refered to Mulcair's "small" plurality. I suspect it is significant (perhaps 10% or more). Whether it is enough to win on second and subsequent choices is the question, but I think that unless you are offered favourable odds, at this point to bet against Mulcair will probably cost you.

 

Well the Farnworth campaign had the same overconfidence based on a few polls and media hype.  Given that something like half of New Democrats are only making their decision around now, that means Mulcair's support is probably actually somewhere in the teens amongst all members.  Pretty small really, and most of that could just be based on name recognition, like the the Farnworth polls showed.

 

I'm supporting Mulcair but I wouldn't consider myself part of his team. Still depends on the turnout. If Mulcair is in the high teens, everyone else is in the low teens or less.  I think we can assume as a first guess that the undecided will break in proportion to current decided support, whatever that is. I would be surprised if Mulcair isn't at least second in BC, considering the size of the crowds he attracts. I don't know about Ontario, since I don't live there.

Howard

JeffWells wrote:

Just opened the mail-in package, and surprised to see that Romeo's on the ballot. Why would that have happened? Surely he withdrew in time.

Regardless, my first ballot is settled. I'm still voting for Saganash.

I've been thinking of doing the same thing. Is there any downside to doing this?

JeffWells

Howard wrote:

I've been thinking of doing the same thing. Is there any downside to doing this?

If you feel strongly about your second choice, and he or she is eliminated on the first ballot. Or maybe if someone you wanted to cast a tactical vote against manages to win on the first ballot. Those are the only two negatives I can come up with.

The positives: I'll be able to unreservedly vote for a candidate. And if Saganash gets a decent number of first round protest votes, that could send a message to the party that something about this process needs fixing, and to Romeo that we'd like to see him try again down the road.

Policywonk

JeffWells wrote:

Howard wrote:

I've been thinking of doing the same thing. Is there any downside to doing this?

If you feel strongly about your second choice, and he or she is eliminated on the first ballot. Or maybe if someone you wanted to cast a tactical vote against manages to win on the first ballot. Those are the only two negatives I can come up with.

The positives: I'll be able to unreservedly vote for a candidate. And if Saganash gets a decent number of first round protest votes, that could send a message to the party that something about this process needs fixing, and to Romeo that we'd like to see him try again down the road.

Depends on what they do with these Saganash votes. They may automatically go to the second choice; or there may not be that option if you vote electronically or in person ballot by ballot.

JeffWells

True, Policywonk. It may be a good idea to get clarification from the party on this.

 

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

I'd like clarification as well as my voting kit. My first choice remains Saganash and I would like to understand more clearly what that choice would mean with respect to not getting my last choices elected.

DSloth

laine lowe wrote:

I'd like clarification as well as my voting kit. My first choice remains Saganash and I would like to understand more clearly what that choice would mean with respect to not getting my last choices elected.

(Assuming you are not voting at the convention or the day of the convention remotely)

It's a preferential ballot just list the names in the order of who you think would be the best choice for Leader of the Party. Anyone you put as the 8th spot on your ballot will never receive your vote (unless her/his final opponents drop out in favour of Party unity or something).

Wilf Day

Steel's legendary solidarity is not showing up in MP endorsements. From their Hamilton stronghold, Charlton is for Topp, but the other two are for Mulcair. From Leo Gerard's home region of Sudbury, we find Gravelle for Dewar, Thibeault for Mulcair, and Hughes for Ashton. And the Toronto Steelworkers Council are for Nash. Topp may well win, but it won't be due to Steel cracking the whip. Not a bad thing, eh?

 

Skinny Dipper

I have my personal thoughts about Thomas Mulcair as some of you may know.  However, I will not consider the knowmulcair website as worthy of its criticism of Mr. Mulcair.  Since there are no authors' names attached to the website, I don't know if this website was made by NDPers or Conservatives who dislike Mr. Mulcair.

NorthReport

has everyone received their voting package now?

DSloth

NorthReport wrote:
has everyone received their voting package now?

Nope, neither have my parents. 

The Topp campaign managed to find me to solicit a donation but that's the only March mail I've received.

Curious what other mailers people have gotten.

Stockholm

NorthReport wrote:
has everyone received their voting package now?

Got mine yesterday!

JeffWells

DSloth wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Curious what other mailers people have gotten.

Besides the voting package I received yesterday, the only mailing I've received is from Topp, with the "very special message" from Broadbent.

 

clambake

Dewar email:

 

Quote:

Fellow New Democrats,

 

I know I just sent you an email a few days ago, and yes, this is another one of those NDP leadership mass emails.  However, given the events of recent days I felt the

need to write to you again.

 

In the last few days we have witnessed a slew of anonymous negative attacks on many of our NDP leadership candidates and I'm not happy about it.

 

My colleague, Thomas Mulcair, has been defamed publicly by anonymous websites and unnamed sources in the newspapers; I have seen and heard a negative whisper campaign about my French; inaccurate rumours have been spread that Niki Ashton is planning to leave the race; and there are lingering articles published in the media about many candidates campaign donations.

 

Friends, this is not the New Democratic way.   This type of negative politics is unacceptable. 

 

I believe that politics can and should be a force for good in our society.  I want Canadians to feel that the New Democratic Party represents a future to believe in.  I want our politics to be based on the values of hope and optimism.

 

That's the New Democratic way!

 

Now let's be clear - all of my fellow leadership candidates, myself included, have flaws.   And there are some very legitimate style and policy differences between us.  This leadership race should be about those very clear differences.  But let's have this debate publicly, in the open, and in a respectful manner.

 

Listen, there are only 3 ½ weeks to go in this leadership contest.  As we get closer to the finish line the contrasts will become tougher and the debates harder.  But let's finish this race in a way that will make all of us New Democrats proud.  Let's elect the best leader so that on March 26th our caucus can rise in the House of Commons, united, and ready to take on Stephen Harper.

 

Now, I believe I am that leader.  In debates, conference calls, meetings, and events right across this country I have sought to make that case.

 

But, I pledge to you today, whether as a candidate or a leader, I will always campaign with hope and optimism.

 

Let's stay united Team NDP, and keep focused on the task of defeating Stephen Harper and his negative politics.

 

All the best,

 

Paul Dewar

socialdemocrati...

Got a robocall from Paul Dewar. 75% of it was in Grade 5  level French as a second language. At the end a female voice asked me if I was supporting Paul, leaning Paul, undecided, or supporting another candidate. I'm technically undecided, but I know it's probably not Paul, so I pressed #4. Female voice then said she hoped I'd find a place for Paul on my ballot.

Which I haven't received yet.

mtm

My problem with the Paul Dewar email:

Anonymous attacks on Mr. Mulcair, insinuated extortion for Tory jobs:  Lie, defamatory.

Anonymous suggestions Niki was withdrawing:  Unfounded, completely wrong.

Backed up evidence that Mr. Dewar's French is sub-par: Very real, very correct.

 

One of these things is not like the other.  That email was a coordinated attempt to look conciliatory and fair, while putting criticism of Paul's extremely limited French into the "off limits criticism" category.  Very calculated, and very stealthy.  But extremely dishonest.

It is a bona fide requirement, and is certainly not off limits.

CanadaApple

Stockholm wrote:

NorthReport wrote:
has everyone received their voting package now?

Got mine yesterday!

Same for me! = D

vaudree

Friday-Monday - if many of you got it Friday, then odds are the rest will get it Monday.  If you don't get it by Wed feel free to freak out.

Surprised that Saganash is still on the ballot - pleasantly surprised - will probably put him as my first choice, for the reasons already given.

Speaking of Cash - many NDP MPs (some of them Leadership hopefuls) have canvased on behalf of Craig Scott.  I wonder who Craig Scott supports?  I also wonder about the Leadership hopefuls who have not canvased for him yet. 

socialdemocrati...

As someone wisely pointed out, Dewar isn't particularly riveting in English either. So all his pushback on the French thing may be for naught.

Bärlüer

Has any of the candidates commented on the student strike in Quebec? (Or on tuition fees in general?)

NorthReport

what time is the debate tomorrow please and thank u

Ippurigakko

EST 2 pm

Brachina

Just read some tweets about NDP Quebec Youth meeting, which huge turnout, ended with the Mulcair, Nash, and Cullen camps walking out over something the Topp camp did or a disagreement, does anyone know what happened?

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Regardless of for whom you are voting, the conduct of this Leadership Campaign at times has been embrassing. I would expect better from Social Democrats.

Brachina

Found out more, the Topp campaign tried to hijack the Quebec youth wing and force an endorsement of Topp and this lead to a bitter fight and as I said the Mulcair, Nash, and Cullen camps ended up walking out in protest.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

That is a mess. What the hell is he thinking?

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