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Aristotleded24

JeffWells wrote:
Howard wrote:
He says that if Mulcair is not elected leader it will mean "the NDP continues to be run by the establishment of the Canadian anglophone left and that for the Québec Members" the message would be "shut-up and look pretty."

Ouch. And as much as it hurts to read, I pretty much agree with it. And it's probably better to read, and assess, words like this before the vote than after.

I don't know, it sounds rather arrogant of him to claim to speak on behalf of the Quebec left, and I resent the suggestion that just because I'm not leaning towards his preferred candidate that it means I want Quebeckers to shut up and stay in their place.

Howard

FWIW, here's the CBC's take on what happened at the 1989 convention.

adma

Wilf Day wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
All the comments about Ed Broadbent's unbeatable support ignore the fact that he endorsed Peter Tabuns for Ontario party leader in March 2009, when Tabuns came 10% behind Andrea Horwath on the first count, 21% behind her on the final count.

Who did he endorse for the provincial leadership in 1996?  (Just wondering.)

vermonster

I'm not likely to support Topp, but I don't think Phil Edmonston can claim to speak for the Quebec left on this question. Phil largely dropped out of the NDP and Quebec electoral politics when he did not to stand for election in 1993, and the last I heard, he has been living in Panama and Florida for years.

While he is certainly free to weigh in however he wants on issues of Quebec and Canadian politics, but I would look about any pronouncements he makes about how particular candidates will be received with appropriate caution for former a politician who last ran for office more than 20 years ago. He is advancing an extremely simplistic argument about what motivates people of Quebec. 

The left in Quebec, especially the francophone left, is not going to decide to stay with or abandon the NPD solely because the party might choose a bicultural Quebec native who hasn't held office before over another bicultural Quebec politician who served in Charest's cabinet. Both carry baggage, but neither is a deal-breaker. Neither would be selecting someone else - Saganash, Nash, Julian, Ashton, perhaps Cullen or others. What we will be looking for is a candidate who understands the unique political culture of Quebec and is capable of effectively campaigning for a progressive vision for Quebec and Canada in our language. Mulcair may be the right candidate to do that, but claiming that he is the only one is just as unfounded as Ed Broadbent saying that Topp is the only candidate qualified to be NPD leader. There are many talented leaders possible in the party who could do the job, and no former party officeholder's pronouncements are without flaws. 

 

 

AnonymousMouse

vermonster wrote:
What we will be looking for is a candidate who understands the unique political culture of Quebec and is capable of effectively campaigning for a progressive vision for Quebec and Canada in our language. Mulcair may be the right candidate to do that, but claiming that he is the only one is just as unfounded as Ed Broadbent saying that Topp is the only candidate qualified to be NPD leader.

To be fair, Edmonston didn't say Mulcair is the only candidate who gets Quebec, only that he'd support Mulcair over Topp because he feels that Mulcair gets Quebec and Topp doesn't. I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's a bit different than claiming Mulcair is the only candidate who understands Quebec.

AnonymousMouse

Aristotleded24 wrote:

JeffWells wrote:
Howard wrote:
He says that if Mulcair is not elected leader it will mean "the NDP continues to be run by the establishment of the Canadian anglophone left and that for the Québec Members" the message would be "shut-up and look pretty."

Ouch. And as much as it hurts to read, I pretty much agree with it. And it's probably better to read, and assess, words like this before the vote than after.

I don't know, it sounds rather arrogant of him to claim to speak on behalf of the Quebec left, and I resent the suggestion that just because I'm not leaning towards his preferred candidate that it means I want Quebeckers to shut up and stay in their place.

Come now, the man making predictions about how he thinks voters will react; he's not speaking on anyone's behave.

nicky

Ever since he won the Outremont byelection in 07 Mulcair has been painted as Layton's heir apparent, especially after the breakthrough in Quebec. That was until the job fell open. Almost instantly a previously almost unknown candidate seemed to be annointed by the party establishment, a candidate who seems to have the upper hand because the party clings to a leadership selection process that reduces Quebec's vote to a ridiculously infinitessimal level.

Phil Edmonston's words have a bitter bite to them but "Shut up and look pretty" does seem to sum up the situation. You Quebecers can do the heavy lifting but now you can go sit in the back.

On the other hand, hope is better than despair. The Mulcair videos posted by Knownothing in #15, above, certainly give me hope that Mulcair can prevail despite the system on the strength of his shere political talents.

I find it a pleasure just to listen to Mulcair. He has such an easy facility with language. Unlike almost evey other politicain he absolutely avoids clicjhes. Nothing seems rehearesd. He avoids unduly simplistic langauge and pitches well above the lowest commmon denominator. He is quick-witted, compellling and even charming. He can fight off any slurs the Conservatives can fling at him.

I think we have admirable cast of candidates but none are in Mulcair's league. Even if Quebec only has 2% of the vote I think that once Mukair is put on display he can overcome all the roadblocks the party establishment seems intent on throwing in his way.

I have been to a number of delegated leadership conventions in the past and it was often disheartening to see how a block labour vote could be delivered to a preferred contender. It is different this time. The wider membership decides and before them Mucair shines.

KenS

"Ever since he won the Outremont byelection in 07 Mulcair has been painted as Layton's heir apparent, especially after the breakthrough in Quebec. That was until the job fell open." 

This is pure baloney served up to 'support' your drum beat. The ONLY ones who annoited Mulcair as heir apparent was the media. The occassional discussion here, and any discussions I ever heard did anything but make such an assumption. The media in their usual ignorant 'pundit' herd mentality then decided that Topp was the juggernaut and 'the choice'. Gee, they usually dont do that sort of thing. Must mean there is a directed plot. 

"Almost instantly a previously almost unknown candidate seemed to be annointed by the party establishment..."

So Ed Broadbent is the party establishment now? All by himself?

nicky

Ken, it's not just my drumbeat. There are about a hundred previous posts that explain how the "establishment" is backing Topp. I am not going to repeat them.Go back and read them yourself. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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Supporters [of Brian Topp]
MPs: (4) Françoise Boivin, Gatineau;[21] Libby Davies, Deputy NDP leader and MP for Vancouver-East;[22] Yvon Godin, Acadie-Bathurst; Alain Giguère, Marc-Aurèle-Fortin;[23]
Former federal NDP leaders: (1) Ed Broadbent, former federal leader (1975-1989)[21]
Current/former provincial NDP leaders: (1) Roy Romanow, former Premier of Saskatchewan;[24]
MLAs/MPPs: (5) Dawn Black, former MP, BC MLA, former acting leader of the BC NDP;[25] John Horgan, BC MLA;[26] Joy MacPhail, former interim leader of BC NDP, former BC finance minister;[26] Michelle Mungall, BC MLA;[26] Pat Atkinson, Saskatchewan MLA[27]

I'm not sure if you could call that the "establishment". I'm also not sure how some people automatically imply that the party's "establishment" is evil.
Alot of the people backing Topp are his friends, who personally trust in his ability. Its also probably his friends which he made working for the war room that are volunteering for his campaign.
Just like Peter Julian's friends are supporting him, the first endorsements come from those close to you. I suggest a little patience, wait until the race unfolds, this is just the beginning of it.

Stockholm

"He (Edmunston) says that if Mulcair is not elected leader it will mean "the NDP continues to be run by the establishment of the Canadian anglophone left and that for the Québec Members" the message would be "shut-up and look pretty."

The flip side of that is I want to be reassured that if Mulcair does win - the NDP will not be 100% focused on keeping support in Quebec and the message for New Democrats in the other nine provinces will be "shut up and look pretty".

Wilf Day

Topp took his elementary schooling in French.

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Né à Longueuil d'un père anglophone originaire de l'Estrie et d'une mère francophone - Thérèse Lamère, native de Sillery et ancienne des Ursulines -, M. Topp s'exprime parfaitement dans les deux langues, même s'il assortit son français de quelques anglicismes au passage.

Élevé à Saint-Lambert, ville aujourd'hui fusionnée avec Longueuil, il a étudié au campus local du cégep anglophone Champlain après des études primaires en français et secondaires en anglais.

Mulcair says his five younger siblings did elementary school in French, but not the older five children "We did all our studies in English. . . My home language growing up was English, and my study language." They switched to French for the younger five because "It was a reflection of the times, we were in the mid-sixties . . . the linguistic dynamic was changing. . . When I was born -- I was born in 1954 -- it was more common if you had a mixed marriage on the linguistic side to raise your children in English."

http://www.cpac.ca/forms/index.asp?dsp=template&act=view3&pagetype=vod&h...

So in Quebec identity politics, Topp is more "francophone" than Mulcair.

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

Wilf Day wrote:

So in Quebec identity politics, Topp is more "francophone" than Mulcair.

Except that Topp actually DID grow up speakin French at home.

As to most of the rest of the discussion here, this is just getting silly.

1. Quebec has ~2% of the membership RIGHT NOW (or actually, a couple of weeks ago). It is worse than idiotic to assume that Quebec will have only ~2% of the membership six months from now. (Especially since many of those in other provinces who joined for a leadership race or for a local nomination race will not renew. SNDP membership dropped from ~14,000 to ~8,000 since 2009 and we just had several heavily contested provincial nominations.

2. Even if the Quebec membership remains low in proportion to Quebec's proportion of the population (ie, if Quebec membership ends up at <~25%), the vast majority of NDP members elsewhere will be weighing each candidate's viability in Quebec to a degree never seen before because there isn't a New Democrat in the country who isn't concerned with consolidating the gains in Quebec.

3. Anyone who belives there is one amorphous "party establishment" in the federal NDP clearly has no clue about the internal dynamics of the NDP. Topp, so far, has plugged into the quite distinct Ontario/Lewis family establishment (who backed Jack but didn't, for example, back Andrea Horwath) and to the Saskatchewan Romanow circle (which isn't really that plugged into the current leadership of the SNDP). He's well connected to the current leadership in BC. We've seen little movement for him in the Manitoba or Nova Scotia establishments.

To date, most of the "analysis" here has been an amalgam of the media's content-and-context-free surmises and a whole lot of conspiracy theorizing. I suggest people take off their tin foil hats and await actual developments.

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Some more brian topp stuff.
Endorsement by Shirley Douglas, daughter of Tommy DouglasFrom Topp's site.

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"The event was hosted at the home of Canadian star Wendy Crewson. Gordon Pinsent, Shirley Douglas, Peter Keleghan, Fiona Reid, Mayko Nguyen, Rossif Sutherland and Patricia Rozema joined with Paul Bronfman, Clayton Ruby and Shaftesbury CEO Christina Jennings to show their support for Topp, who they say understands how vital the arts and entertainment industry is to Canada's economy and culture."

 

nicky

Re Shirley Douglas endoresment:

 

The news release was provided to media Saturday night under the condition that it not be published until 11 a.m. Sunday, which is two hours before NDP foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar (Ottawa Centre) is expected to launch his own campaign at a hotel in downtown Ottawa.

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/provincialelection/article/1063230--ndp-s-brian-topp-gets-star-endorsement?bn=1

 

Brian, I know you read Babble. You should know that this kind of stunt leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I suspect many others.It is one thing to try to wrong-foot a politician from another party but it hardly seems appropraite for someone who purports to have helped write Jack's last letter.

knownothing knownothing's picture

nicky wrote:

Re Shirley Douglas endoresment:

 

The news release was provided to media Saturday night under the condition that it not be published until 11 a.m. Sunday, which is two hours before NDP foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar (Ottawa Centre) is expected to launch his own campaign at a hotel in downtown Ottawa.

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/provincialelection/article/1063230--ndp-s-brian-topp-gets-star-endorsement?bn=1

 

Brian, I know you read Babble. You should know that this kind of stunt leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I suspect many others.It is one thing to try to wrong-foot a politician from another party but it hardly seems appropraite for someone who purports to have helped write Jack's last letter.

Electing Topp as leader would be like electing Machiavelli as leader!

TheArchitect

Note that the Topp campaign announced the Libby Davies endorsement on the same day as the Cullen launch, and now they announce the Shirley Douglas endorsement on the same day as the Dewar launch.  It's obvious that they are partaking in a strategy to suck media coverage away from opponents.

I wouldn't be surprised if Topp has some endorsers that he's hiding away with the plan to unveil them to conflict with potential future launches by Julian and Mulcair.

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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Dewar+confirms+leadership/5490935/story.html

The Ottawa Citizen writes a novel every time they do an article on Dewar!

Stockholm

TheArchitect wrote:

Note that the Topp campaign announced the Libby Davies endorsement on the same day as the Cullen launch, and now they announce the Shirley Douglas endorsement on the same day as the Dewar launch.  It's obvious that they are partaking in a strategy to suck media coverage away from opponents.

I wouldn't be surprised if Topp has some endorsers that he's hiding away with the plan to unveil them to conflict with potential future launches by Julian and Mulcair.

On the bright side - it also shows that Topp is a very shrewd and aggressive strategist who is very tactical. These are important skills in a leader!

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

TheArchitect wrote:

Note that the Topp campaign announced the Libby Davies endorsement on the same day as the Cullen launch, and now they announce the Shirley Douglas endorsement on the same day as the Dewar launch.  It's obvious that they are partaking in a strategy to suck media coverage away from opponents.

Comer on folks this is one of the people that developed the strategy that got all those MP's elected.  You can't want pragmatic politics where the point is to get elected and then decry someone for sopmething as trivial as the timing of their news releases.  I don't want him as leader because he does seem to be manipulative but then he wins doesn't he?

dacckon dacckon's picture

If anything, his announcements before theirs isn't the best idea.

 

CBC.ca didn't post a seperate story for Topp when libby announced her support, nor did he get much media attention today when compared to Dewar(he will get much more today than you think). I think he'd get more attention if he did them after.

nicky

Leave the sharrp practice to undermining the Tories, not a decnt man like Paul Dewar who deserves his moment in the sunlight. I would have hopedTopp would refrain from  this kind of highsticking against his fellow New Democrats.  

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Unionist wrote:

Lou Arab wrote:

He [Cullen] seems comfortable in French, although to my (highly untrained) ear, I sense a strong accent. Others will correct me if I'm wrong.

I won't correct you there, Lou. It's painful listening to him. But he is fluid, if not fluent.

Sounds like you are describing an English version of Dion.  Would that be about right?  

I remember the first time I heard Jack speak French I joked to a friend at the BB'Q that Jack's french needed work because he was talking slow enough that I could understand him. (My French is not good enough to follow a normally paced conversation)

dacckon dacckon's picture

http://pauldewar.ca/  (the spots drive me mad, it makes me think my screen is dirty)

Does anyone have video of his announcement?

 

TheArchitect

dacckon wrote:

http://pauldewar.ca/  (the spots drive me mad, it makes me think my screen is dirty)

Does anyone have video of his announcement?

 

I agree, the spots on Dewar's website are hideous—they make me feel like I need to clean my computer screen.  I don't know what the web designer who put them on there was thinking.

Brian Topp Brian Topp's picture

nicky wrote:

Re Shirley Douglas endoresment:

 

The news release was provided to media Saturday night under the condition that it not be published until 11 a.m. Sunday, which is two hours before NDP foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar (Ottawa Centre) is expected to launch his own campaign at a hotel in downtown Ottawa.

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/provincialelection/article/1063230--ndp-s-brian-topp-gets-star-endorsement?bn=1

 

Brian, I know you read Babble. You should know that this kind of stunt leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I suspect many others.It is one thing to try to wrong-foot a politician from another party but it hardly seems appropraite for someone who purports to have helped write Jack's last letter.

I'm nothing but pleased that Paul Dewar is in the race -- and that Nathan Cullen is, and Romeo Saganash. The race is now engaged, and it will be about the race. No "frontrunners". No "establishments", other than the ones we take on together as a party and a united team. But a set of candidates and colleagues discussing the issues and building the party.

Like all campaigns, mine is working to our own plan and our own calendar. Specifically we have been working on last night's great Toronto event -- the first of a number -- for several weeks. It came with a plan to talk about it in public, including a release the morning after, noting some kind words spoken by Shirley Douglas and other friends and supporters.

Now that there are multiple campaigns underway, our events and press releases are going to coincide frequently. If our movement's good friends at the Toronto Star are planning to draw negative inferences from this, they will be doing so quite often, about many campaigns, for the next six months.

All the best,
bt

Unionist

Thanks for dropping in, Brian! Look forward to hearing a lot more from you (not necessarily here - I know you're busy) as the campaign evolves.

Ok, babblers: How do we get the other candidates to sign up here and engage in this discussion?

 

nicky

So Brian why did you ask that the announcement be delayed until just before Paul's launch? Or is the Star making that up?

Idealistic Prag... Idealistic Pragmatist's picture

Unionist wrote:

Ok, babblers: How do we get the other candidates to sign up here and engage in this discussion?

I'm sure they're either reading themselves or have their people doing so. This is by far the best discussion about the leadership race going on right now, and people know it.

Gaian

Now if we can somehow manage to get weekly input from east of the Ottawa, life will be complete. And yeah, thanks Brian.

dacckon dacckon's picture

Video of Paul Dewar /w a crowd

Like to see more of these from all the candidates.

 

 

Howard

Stockholm wrote:

TheArchitect wrote:

Note that the Topp campaign announced the Libby Davies endorsement on the same day as the Cullen launch, and now they announce the Shirley Douglas endorsement on the same day as the Dewar launch.  It's obvious that they are partaking in a strategy to suck media coverage away from opponents.

I wouldn't be surprised if Topp has some endorsers that he's hiding away with the plan to unveil them to conflict with potential future launches by Julian and Mulcair.

On the bright side - it also shows that Topp is a very shrewd and aggressive strategist who is very tactical. These are important skills in a leader!

I also think this shows Topp as smart, but it is heavy handed. He would have a hard time showing up a Mulcair launch so maybe Topp wouldn't even try, who knows. I find it easy to respect Topp but hard to support him. He is trading heavily on his backroom connections because that is ALL he has. It is a big difference to go from being a puppeteer, to the punch and judy puppets, yet that is what Topp has aimed to do.

Topp has quality people in his corner (a lovely endorsement from Shirley Douglas today) and if the race were won on endorsements I'd say he already had it in the bag. Fortunately, it is the membership that decide and so Topp will have to reach well beyond his backrooms to bring voters to his side. He has 6 months. Six months to demonstrate charisma, vision, exciting policies, and shed the spinmeister, Machiavellian, real politiker, muscle man image that is so much better suited to the backroomer than the frontman. People want to see suppleness in their leaders. They want to believe the leaders will govern for them and not just their friends/(cronies) or their ideology (particularly if it is not shared by the public). People bought in to Jack's message that he really wanted to listen to them. People responded to a leader that claimed to care about them and their opinions...

Howard

On a tangent, Brian Topp would be smart to get an MP to give him their seat. The reason for this is that were he to win, the MP would resign and that would force the party directly into a byelection campaign. When election campaigns happen, critics shut-up and largely get behind the party. So if Brian Topp was running in a byelection, people that didn't support him would at least hold their tongues, and if he won a large victory it would give him some instant credibility.

In an ideal world, I would have Topp run in the general election in a seat the NDP currently does not hold. Given that I have read he lives in Toronto, I would presume he would run there. Is there any chance he lives in a seat like Toronto Centre where his candidacy could be a flashpoint for taking on the NDP's rivals? In that same ideal world, I would have Topp face a byelection in a riding in Western Canada. That way he could show his/the NDP's competitiveness in the West and give confidence to Central Liberals (and others) to switch their affiliations or hold firm (e.g. in Québec). Topp running in a Québec byelection would add little to the NDP's strength there.

ETA: To be clear, what I am advocating is that Brian Topp NOT run in Toronto-Danforth (assuming he doesn't live there), but name the Toronto riding where he will run in a general and hold off on announcing (until after the race) a byelection where he will run in the West.

ETA2: If she is interested in running I would like to see Marilyn Churley contest Toronto-Danforth. Otherwise, it would be nice to see some new blood.

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A candidate who aims towards an entrepreneurial path- Singh
A snippet of Topp and Libby discussing pressure, establishment's choice/man.

Paul Dewar article

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His organizers are hoping to position Dewar as a "unifying alternative" who can come up the middle between the two polarizing frontrunners, Topp and Mulcair.

Howard

dacckon wrote:

Video of Paul Dewar /w a crowd

Like to see more of these from all the candidates.

Nice launch. For an anglo, Dewar nailed the French. Good for him. Of course it was meticuously scripted, but he is clearly more at ease in it than Cullen. Dewar probably catches extra knocks on his French because he lives in such a bilingual riding. Still reserving judgment...

Also I like Cullen's general campaign message (in English) about unity, about the grassroots... It is delivered with charisma and gravitas. The French however, is not there.

Sine Ziegler

dacckon wrote:

http://pauldewar.ca/  (the spots drive me mad, it makes me think my screen is dirty)

Does anyone have video of his announcement?

 

 

The spots!!! Wow!!! They are horrible! I just had to take a look. 

AnonymousMouse

Curious. Even the people on this board who had no problem with the timing of Brian Topp's recent endorsement announcements seemed to acknowledge that they were timed to coincide with the campaign launch announcements of other candidates.

But Topp's post above says, or at the very least strongly implies, that the timing was a coincidence. Presumbly this is true in both cases--I don't think Topp is suggesting that he was deliberately trying to interfer with Cullen's announcement, but it was just a coincidence with Dewar. And let's assume there's a good explanation for why the media were asked to hold news of the second endorsement until 11:00am Sunday, two hours before Dewar's announcement.

If that's the case, knowing as early as Wednesday that these two announcements were coming and that you had an event scheduled Saturday night that couldn't be changed, as a party strategist wouldn't you at least delay the Libby Davies endorsement until Monday to ensure it didn't appear that this was done deliberately to interfer with the other campaigns' launch announcements?

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I think it would have been more strategic if he declared their endorsements a day or two after both their launches. Now the media attention switches primarily towards Dewar and Cullen. Topp only gets one or two articles about the endorsements compared to the many others over the new candidates.

Anyways...
Romeo Saganash will appear in Thunder Bay! Maybe he'll be endorsed by a candidate in the ONDP election.
Is this really Singh's twitter feed? m_singhcares?

Oh supposedly Saganash's website will be saganash.ca

nicky

On merger with the Liberals:

 

One student questioned Mulcair about a potential merger with the Liberal party, and whether it would be make sense to "unite the left." Mulcair received a round of applause when he replied, "We did unite the left."

 

http://www.thesheaf.com/news/2011/10/02/mulcair-will-announce-leadership...

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JeffWells

Stockholm wrote:

On the bright side - it also shows that Topp is a very shrewd and aggressive strategist who is very tactical. These are important skills in a leader!

They're also attritubes that can win a leadership and lose a party. Paul Martin comes to mind.

 

JeffWells

nicky wrote:

On merger with the Liberals:

 

One student questioned Mulcair about a potential merger with the Liberal party, and whether it would be make sense to "unite the left." Mulcair received a round of applause when he replied, "We did unite the left."

 

http://www.thesheaf.com/news/2011/10/02/mulcair-will-announce-leadership...

 

Like that answer.

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Howard

It bothers me how Brian Topp blames things that backfire on him on the media. When questioned by Don Martin about why a top national NDP official had called him within 24 hours of Layton's death to tout Topp as a frontrunner, Topp blamed the media. When the Toronto Star pointed out that Topp required them to hold the news of his endorsement by Shirley Douglas/old news fundraiser until 2 hours before his rival's leadership launch on a SUNDAY, he blamed the media. One of the more effective things I thought Jack did when he first took over the NDP leadership was to stop blaming the media for all the NDP's woes.

Howard

What's wrong with the video?

AnonymousMouse

Howard wrote:

;One of the more effective things I thought Jack did when he first took over the NDP leadership was to stop blaming the media for all the NDP's woes.

Goodness, yes. The whole Topp thing aside, we may have our problems with the media, but we need to understand the ways in which media outlets function and act to produce our desired result. The media have all sorts of biases--and some media commentators/oulets have overt political points of view--but they general don't "make stuff up" or "push a hidden agenda". Their behaviour is the product of pretty predictable mechanics.

Within that, at the federal level, the media's greatest bias against the NDP has traditionally been that reporters cover news and the positions or opinions of third parties are not considered as newsworthy as those of larger parties. Right now we're suffering from the fact that the media have seen the Liberals as the most important party in Canadian for decades--basically as long as anyone working in media has been alive. That doesn't go away overnight, but we've already seen a vast improvement in that regard.

It's fine to point out when an unfair media marrative is the product of spin, groupthink or one of any number biases, but our aim should be to identify how we can avert such problems in the future, not lament the machine as a whole.

AnonymousMouse

Howard wrote:

;One of the more effective things I thought Jack did when he first took over the NDP leadership was to stop blaming the media for all the NDP's woes.

Goodness, yes. The whole Topp thing aside, we may have our problems with the media, but we need to understand the ways in which media outlets function and act to produce our desired result. The media have all sorts of biases--and some media commentators/oulets have overt political points of view--but they general don't "make stuff up" or "push a hidden agenda". Their behaviour is the product of pretty predictable mechanics.

Within that, at the federal level, the media's greatest bias against the NDP has traditionally been that reporters cover news and the positions or opinions of third parties are not considered as newsworthy as those of larger parties. Right now we're suffering from the fact that the media have seen the Liberals as the most important party in Canadian for decades--basically as long as anyone working in media has been alive. That doesn't go away overnight, but we've already seen a vast improvement in that regard.

It's fine to point out when an unfair media marrative is the product of spin, groupthink or one of any number biases, but our aim should be to identify how we can avert such problems in the future, not lament the machine as a whole.

Bird on a Wire

"The news release was provided to media Saturday night under the condition that it not be published until 11 a.m. Sunday, which is two hours before NDP foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar (Ottawa Centre) is expected to launch his own campaign at a hotel in downtown Ottawa."

 

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/provincialelection/article/1063230--ndp-s-brian-topp-gets-star-endorsement

Interesting how Mr Topp is releasing press releases about endorsers just before other candidates declare. First Cullen, then Dewar. While one one say it is making his news less significant in reality it is ensuring his name is mentioned in most of the articles about the others announcements. While this may be an effective strategy - is it respectful? This campaign is not only about getting the upper hand and winning it is about growing our party and building momentum. I really don't like the way Mr Topp does politics - great as a back room boy - as a politician not impressive. I continue to be uninspired by his campaign and there are six months more of this to look forward to.....

Aristotleded24

AnonymousMouse wrote:
The whole Topp thing aside, we may have our problems with the media, but we need to understand the ways in which media outlets function and act to produce our desired result. The media have all sorts of biases--and some media commentators/oulets have overt political points of view--but they general don't "make stuff up" or "push a hidden agenda". Their behaviour is the product of pretty predictable mechanics. Within that, at the federal level, the media's greatest bias against the NDP has traditionally been that reporters cover news and the positions or opinions of third parties are not considered as newsworthy as those of larger parties. Right now we're suffering from the fact that the media have seen the Liberals as the most important party in Canadian for decades--basically as long as anyone working in media has been alive. That doesn't go away overnight, but we've already seen a vast improvement in that regard. It's fine to point out when an unfair media marrative is the product of spin, groupthink or one of any number biases, but our aim should be to identify how we can avert such problems in the future, not lament the machine as a whole.

Not too long ago right-wingers were just as bitterly complaining about a "liberal" bias in the Canadian media, and yes, it's just as tiresome and irritating. They actually figured out that instead of whining about the media, they figured out how to get their message and win over supporters by going through the media filters. Rob Ford could actually present a solid case that he was not treated fairly by Toronto media, but instead of whining about it, (and to give credit where credit is due) he knew how to get around that. We need to do the same.

Howard

dacckon wrote:

I think it would have been more strategic if he declared their endorsements a day or two after both their launches. Now the media attention switches primarily towards Dewar and Cullen. Topp only gets one or two articles about the endorsements compared to the many others over the new candidates.

Anyways...
Romeo Saganash will appear in Thunder Bay! Maybe he'll be endorsed by a candidate in the ONDP election.
Is this really Singh's twitter feed? m_singhcares?

Oh supposedly Saganash's website will be saganash.ca

Former Kenora Federal NDP candidate Tania Cameron supports Saganash.

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