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I think siamdave is trying to say that the NDP alone is incapable of coercing the other two parties and their voters into supporting the right thing to do, which is to support electoral reform. And I couldn't have said it better myself.
I vote we change the misleading thread title to something more along the lines of the truth:
Neither the Liberal Party of Canada nor the Conservative Party supports electoral reform in Canada
And ER-PR won't happen until they do.
Nice spin. siamdave said that with a defeatist attitide ("we can't get the other parties to agree, so forget trying") all you will get is defeat.
But I think the "depending on other parties" argument is just a way to deflect criticism of the party. Blame the Liberals/Cons for the NDP's lack of motivation. Like KenS saying:
So why not just stick to the federal NDP?
Yeah, right: let's just focus on the federal level, because the provincial NDP aren't on board and never will be, so we don't want to talk about a glaring inconsistency between what the party says and actually does when its in power.
The NDP - federally and provincially - are falling down on the file, people here have recognized that, and some with close ties (of any kind) with the party are becoming defensive about it. It's apparent that it's a visceral reaction by the wildly varying defensive arguments thrown out in response - just about anything including the kitchen sink: "The other parties won't do it!" "Recognition in the policy book should be enough!" "It would cost too much!" "Nobody cares about it!"
I wouldn't sweat it. The party you love and worked for isn't perfect. No party is. But it can get better if the problems / inconsistencies are recognized, and action taken to correct them. Don't deny the party that chance! You know PR is the right thing to do for so many reasons.
So if just one single NDP pronvicial government followed policy and implemented proportional representation, it would ignite a change in the entire Canadian poltical landscape. No country has ever gone from PR back to winner-take-all in modern times... all that have switched have gone in the progressive direction.
The NDP should dare to be bold again, to take a risk for the common good. That's how its acheived major progress for Canada before. What is it afraid of provincially? It can do itself (and Canadians) a huge favour by implementing its own policy.