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Vancouver 420 damage at Sunset Beach Park will take up to 5 weeks to fix

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-420-damage-at-s...

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Fuck this condescending thread. I'm glad it's empty.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Ya, it's not exactly clear what these moral reprobates could have done to prevent turf damage in a wet and muddy spring, short of wearing snowshoes.

We've all heard the old saw, "take nothing but photos, leave nothing but footprints"... but how can you NOT leave footprints??

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Marijuana legalization is my gay marriage. I've been waiting more than 30 years for this. I don't need to come to a 'progressive' board and read something better suited for Fox News.

It's interesting that when riots break out after hockey games,newspaper headlines don't say 'I'm cool because I drink beer'

So this thread should be exterimated from here and moved to the National Post or le Journal de Montréal where its ignorance and hyperbole would have a welcoming home.

lagatta4

Often there is a hell of a lot more damage in the wake of hockey riots. At least we are out of the playoffs now. I've seen some utter horrors in downtown Montréal (mostly the western part - for some odd reason young white anglo men seem to be the main perps - I don't think they drink more beer than anyone else... 

I wound up not going to an Earth Day event yesterday because I realised that the park where it was taking place  would be in that shape (there is only turf, it is a "provisional" new park, created when the horrible traffic exchange at the corner of avenues du Parc et des Pins was demolished). It would be a puddle of mud, and I wasn't wearing rain boots. Now the police here have let it be understood that they would no longer be arresting people found carrying small amounts of cannabis, and judges would be more lenient as well. But as long as such a law is on the books, it will always be arbitrary, meaning the risk of discrimination. Jean-Pierre Bony, accused of selling a small amount of pot to a cop in Montréal-Nord, would probably be alive and well today if he were white and not of Haitian origin. 

Archaic laws not usually enforced have often been used in such ways. Legalise it! 

NDPP

alan smithee wrote:

I don't need to come to a 'progressive' board and read something better suited for Fox News.

 

Perhaps it's not.

6079_Smith_W

Or more specifically, we don't need to have a nonsense piece that does a hatchet job on an entire community and a perfectly valid social cause - the legalization of cannabis - based on one event and one group of people.

I've seen similar posts of garbage left behind at a music festival. Anyone who has ever had any experience with that knows that there is going to be garbage left behind because some people do that. That is why we have cleanup crews.

As for the site damage, yes, that should be obvious, and if that is going to be an issue we might also consider our urban fascination with manicured lawns and parks.

 

lagatta4

Many books and articles have been written about the fascination with manicured lawns and gardens - and even the "English Garden", a garden carefully manicured to look "natural", unlike the formal French Garden. http://www.recreatingeden.com/

A lot of the urban messes I see involve junk food paraphernalia. 

The original article is ridiculous, linking a smoke-in and some kind of supposed urban decay. 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Sunset Beach is a favourite spot for watching fireworks and the crowds leave exactly the same kind of mess. For some strange reason those people are not lacking moral turpitude for being 21st century slobs unlike protestors seeking to legalize the herb. Every year the MSM duely reports on the mess made by pot smokers while ignoring the same type of mess caused by other events.

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

NDPP wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

I don't need to come to a 'progressive' board and read something better suited for Fox News.

 

Perhaps it's not.

Notice the parentheses book ending the word progressive

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

@NorthReport:  why the rabbit punch at people who smoke marijuana, though?

Do you really and genuinely believe that they're so full of themselves for being "kewl" that they trashed a park or something?  Where does this animus come from?  Can you connect the dots between "smokes marijuana" and "LOLZ, trashed park, no fuqs given!!! #pot #420 #getoutofmyway"?

Because it seems like YOU added the title.

lagatta4

I don't smoke anything, for reasons unrelated to cannabis. My dad died of cigarette smoking (heart attacks, phlebitis, other ills and finally lung cancer) when I was 15 and I react (internally) to smoking the way children of violent alcoholics react to people enjoying a beer or glass of wine. But the demonisation of a relatively innocuous substance has led to a hell of a lot of harm, including otherwise law-respecting people getting a criminal record or worse. It is ridiculous and often discriminatory. What must be done is find ways of controlling use of any psychotr0pe when driving or using machinery, especially when other lives are endangered.  This includes precribed medications. Driving must not be seen as an unrestricted right. 

6079_Smith_W

Progressive? Not sure which I find funnier, the initial response or the reaction.

This reflexive turning one's nose up at the place is kind of odd, especially coming from regulars. Though I suppose it is in keeping with the shame theme of the thread, so however you get your jollies....

lagatta4

Yes, the logical reaction to not finding a site or board progressive would be ceasing to post there, but... 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

lagatta4 wrote:

Yes, the logical reaction to not finding a site or board progressive would be ceasing to post there, but... 

... but hope springs eternal.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Progressive? Not sure which I find funnier, the initial response or the reaction.

This reflexive one's nose up at the place is kind of odd, especially coming from regulars. Though I suppose it is in keeping with the shame theme of the thread, so however you get your jollies....

 

Are you referring to me? I wasn't the one who laughed when I called this place progressive. Looks like I've wasted many years of my life commenting on a centre-right message board. Thanks for making me realize that,you all had me fooled.

6079_Smith_W

Well I initially thought you were being straight, though I was wondering a bit after your response to NDPP. It was directed a bit more at him.

I actually agree with the way you used it, because that article was a low blow, but that would have been the case even on a mainstream site. Thing is, once "progressive site" gets tossed out it is just a matter of time before it turns into sniping about whether babble is pure enough for some of us, and who belongs and who doesn't.

So okay, maybe it was more of an eyeroll. That trope is just kind of a dead horse IMO. We have a range of ideas of what falls under the umbrella of a "progressive" site, and we are all aware of those differences.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Fair enough and thanks for the intelligent response.

What is 'progressivism' if all anyone is going to do is start and pissing match with anyone who uses the word 'progressive'? I didn't know we were having a competition on this point.

I have a 75% rule..If I agree with someone 75% of the time,I consider them an ally ,someone on my team.

And before anyone says 'well Alan,what if you agree with someone 74% of the time? Or 73% Or 74.9954310% of the time?'  Please don't be a dick and  split hairs over what I mean. Which most everyone here is smart enough to get the gist.

This is the problem with the Left. Attacking each other for having differences instead of uniting and becoming a real force to be reckon with.

But in regards to this thread title,it's far too right wing to not enrage someone. And in this case,I was offended and made my point. If people want to give me a hard time for suggesting this is a 'progressive message board' , either there's no difference between babble and MSM or there are a lot of aggitators (rather then say troll because again,I think people,regular posters especially, are too intelligent to be trolls)

I promise I won't point out this planet is a sphere in the future.

lagatta4

alan, it wasn't directed at you. I agree with you about the initial article posted, which was not only "right-wing" but particularly bad in terms of logic. 

6079_Smith_W

What lagatta said.

Look, I have used the term myself in defense of this place, and like I said I agree with that I thought you were initially saying. I don't mind that you used it. But I know when that word gets used there's a better than 50/50 chance someone is going to point out how progressive we aren't by their yardstick, or haul out the tiny fiddle and start pining for the good old days.

Again, not all that different than cherrypicking a story about a park getting trashed, and use it to point fingers at a movement that is working on (among other things) getting people out of jail, helping people get adequate healthcare, and just letting them enjoy something that should be free, but isn't because someone made the racist decision to make it illegal.

lagatta4

Get out of jail, but in far greater numbers, eliminate people being blacklisted for work and travel. It is important for legalisation to include wiping convictions for possession and even for selling small amounts of cannabis. The issue of criminal gangs could remain, along the same lines as laws governing bootlegging and illegal sale of alcoholic beverages.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Look, I have used the term myself in defense of this place, and like I said I agree with that I thought you were initially saying. I don't mind that you used it. But I know when that word gets used there's a better than 50/50 chance someone is going to point out how progressive we aren't by their yardstick, or haul out the tiny fiddle and start pining for the good old days.

And then try to run some "troll" out of Dodge on the grounds that "our AUP clearly states that this is a PROGRESSIVE board..."

Anyway, North Report, why did you make this all about the cool kids smoking reefers?  Did nobody offer you a toke??  Your chosen title slammed them twice, and I'm still puzzled by that.

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

I am agreeing (mostly) with lagatta4 with reference to the need for legislation to expunge (as opposed to pardon) the criminal records of those charged with most cannabis related offences -- such records place an unreasonable burden on finding work and freedom to travel. Unfortunately, there is no way of forcng other countries to recognize such legislation and I am sure those convicted before legalisation comes into effect are still going to experience harrassment at the borders.

Just to quibble though, I do not think the expunging of the record should be automatic, I think people should have to apply for it to be done -- but to a tribunal where the average person can adequately represent themselves without the expense of having to hire legal counsel.

As to the mess left behind in the park... the obvious solution is to have those found guilty of lesser traffic offences sentenced to community service in the form of cleaning up the mess. "What you here for? ... Failing to give way at a pedestrian crosswalk and overstaying my welcome in a zoned parking area." Rather than letting drivers get off with just paying a fine this would expose them to what it is like working for minimum wage...

voice of the damned

Magoo wrote:

Anyway, North Report, why did you make this all about the cool kids smoking reefers?  Did nobody offer you a toke??  Your chosen title slammed them twice, and I'm still puzzled by that.

I suspect that North Report was(perhaps wrongly) taking at face value the article's insinuation that the 420ers had made a mess of the park, and saying that that isn't how people should behave if they want to aspire to some sort of countercultural ethos.

I'm quite willing to accept that the article severely distorted the reality of what took place, since weed is a hot topic right now, and the media knows that any controversy surrounding it, however ginned up, is gonna be good clickbait.

I'll also say that I've seen a few pro-legalization activists over the years who were their own worst enemies. So, until I read the article with a more critical eye, I was ready to believe that some of the people there had acted like jerks.

6079_Smith_W

@ VOTD.

Yes. I don't entirely take it as fake (as in, made up) news either. But then, there are fucking jerks in all camps. None of them erases the validity of the campaign.

Littering, or tromping some wet turf doesn't mean that  jerks should be locked up, and have a criminal record for something that should be openly available.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Oh, I'm sure that sheer numbers of feet made sheer numbers of footprints.  But I wonder again, short of cancelling a scheduled annual event 'because of mud', I don't know what these irresponsible stoners were supposed to do.  Evidently, litter wasn't even a factor.

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"Generally it's looking pretty good this year compared to last year," said Howard Normann. "I'm quite pleased with the lack of garbage."

 

voice of the damned

More bait-and-switch reporting on pot...

http://tinyurl.com/kydmhyl

The headline makes it sound like PET was bribing judges, but when you actually read the article, you see that "using connections" simply means that he asked some of his lawyer buddies to recommend a good lawyer. Perfectly legal, as far as I know.

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

It's the title of this thread that pisses me off. There are far more events where there is damage and littering by individuals drunk off their asses. If you made a thread with the title 'But I'm cool because I drink beer' for every riot,music festival or a few bar flies that litterally murder people.( Fatal knife fights at closing time are a  common occurence in Montréal) you'd be ridiculed as you should. If I made a thread to discuss these things with a moronic title like "But I'm cool because I drink beer' I'd be laughed out of here. As I should.

I think the title should be changed but the article should stay.

The title is straight out of talk radio and an unsurprising quip from failed comedian and Fox News colostomy bag, Greg Gutfeld.

I really believe the title of this thread was a provocation to enrage some people  and was a sleazy click bait bullshit.

A title straight out of Sun News. I don't believe it belongs on a .... forget it,I'm not going to open up that can of worms again. Let's just say it doesn't belong here.

6079_Smith_W

In one sense I agree alan. I don't think we should have to spend all out time debunking slanted news pieces.

On the other hand, it has been pretty thoroughly dissected and shown up for what it is. I think that is a good thing, as it is the kind of analysis which should be happening on discussion sites. Rather than just branding something lies, it is actually an opportunity to point out how and why this kind of manipulation works.

 

 

quizzical

i agree with Alan. the title needs changing

what a load of shit NR was trying to peddle and now it will come up on search engine fields totally debasing rabble.

is this what he is trying to do all the time with his crap?

NorthReport

After 4/20, Vancouver park board announces closure of Sunset Park field for up to 10 weeks

https://www.straight.com/cannabis/1061621/after-420-vancouver-park-board...

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Dana Larsen wrote:
Well there's definitely some grass damage at Sunset.

I see what you did there.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Marijuana legalization should be put off until First Nations tax sharing worked out: Senate committee

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A Senate committee says Ottawa should put off legalizing marijuana for a year until Canada and First Nations can negotiate tax sharing, produce culturally appropriate education materials and ensure First Nations are able to regulate for themselves whether they want pot to be legal in their communities or not.

Hasn't this been on the books for a while now?

Lots of municipalities, and even a few provinces, have felt that there's something so dangerous and different about The Devil's Lettuce that they, too, want "more time" to "study the situation" (in the hope of this "never happening", IMHO).

But I do have to wonder:

1.  Why would First Nations be entitled to any special cut of the tax revenues?  Have they negotiated special deals on the tax on my bag of peanuts?

2.  This has been in the pipeline long enough that it's silly to say, NOW, with presumed months to go, that they don't have time to print up a freakin' pamphlet.  Geez.  Seriously?

3.  If they don't want Mary Jane to be legal in their communities, isn't that covered by their Nation status?  Can't they just say "sorry, no Reefers here" the way some communities are "dry" communities, despite beer being legal elsewhere?

If this eleventh hour silliness delays things for another year, and for the next 12 months people keep going to jail for that joint, this gambit is going to be about as popular as waxed toilet paper.

 

voice of the damned

If this eleventh hour silliness delays things for another year, and for the next 12 months people keep going to jail for that joint, this gambit is going to be about as popular as waxed toilet paper.

Yeah, but on the other hand, enthusiasm for the Liberals over weed legalization has never really been based on reality. People were gushing about how Trudeau was legalizaing weed before he even started on the file, and then, once he did get going, phrases like "When marijuana is legal on July 1st..." became commonplace even in established media, despite the fact that that date was never announced by anyone. 

So, for a lot of his fans, Justin probably COULD keep delaying legalization, without doing significant damage to his reputation as "Canada's hip young PM who's gonna legalize pot." Especially if a lot of them find it easy to acquire marijuana under the status quo anyway. 

That said, the people who have invested in marijuana stock might be the least forgiving among the public, since they stand to lose money from this. Someone told me that a pretty big chunk of investors have money in weed right now, but I don't know how true that is.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Well, interestingly, JT doubled down on the promise.

Trudeau vows cannabis will be legal by summer as senators urge delay

This is almost funny, by the way:

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The committee said the government should take the extra time to make certain "culturally sensitive" materials are available to warn Indigenous peoples about the risks of consuming cannabis, and to negotiate a revenue-sharing deal with First Nations governments to ensure they get a cut of the millions of dollars expected to be collected in excise taxes on the drug.

The senators also recommended the federal government set aside 20 per cent of all licenses for cannabis producers for Indigenous peoples so they can pursue business ventures.

1.  "Culturally sensitive"?  Huh?  What's that even supposed to mean, besides "you can't challenge this demand"?  I'm pretty sure that Indigenous people have been using weed for years (like non-Indigenous people).  If it was important that they have all the information they need to make an informed choice, where were all the pamphlets and educational videos before now??  Was everyone (and I mean all of us) just hoping that "don't go to jail" would best help everyone understand their choice?  It's funny to me to watch and see how many things about weed are now Super Very Important that evidently weren't important a year ago.

2.  "and to negotiate a revenue-sharing deal with First Nations governments to ensure they get a cut of the millions of dollars expected to be collected in excise taxes on the drug." -- Again, do they get a special cut of every tax?  If we choose to (say) tax fast-food, or tax sugary soft drinks will they need a special cut of that?  Will they need "culturally sensitive" information about that?

3.  "20 per cent of all licenses for cannabis producers for Indigenous peoples" -- in keeping with the fact that they're <5% of the population, I guess, somehow.

progressive17 progressive17's picture

I expect a price war between the government and the dealers, which will dry up expected fat governmental profits considerably.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

It's not quite a "free market" when one player can declare the other a criminal, tho.

progressive17 progressive17's picture

Everyone knows the government are criminals!

Pondering

progressive17 wrote:

I expect a price war between the government and the dealers, which will dry up expected fat governmental profits considerably.

I agree. Magoo, it doesn't have to be a free market. The distribution network already exists. They have been unable to shut it down while it is illegal. I don't see why it would be any easier once it is legalized. 

They needed to find a way for illegal growers to become legal growers. Not all of them but certainly all the farmers for whom this is their only illegal activity. They should have worked with the Compassion Clubs. They have been working for decades. 

Legal cannabis will have to be cheaper or easier to obtain or higher quality or offer greater variety or some strong mix of those considerations. I think they could have designed a strong system that would be successful. I don't think they are coming anywhere near that. 

Provinces are developing different frameworks that are more or less prohibitionist and business friendly. We will be able to see which provinces fare better. 

Mobo2000

In my experience prices have gone down noticeably in the past 2 years.   Good times!