Poverty Rate Has Dropped In Canada By Full Percentage Point

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Mighty Middle
Poverty Rate Has Dropped In Canada By Full Percentage Point

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The national statistics office says that in 2017, the most recent year available, 3.4 million Canadians, or 9.5 per cent of the population, lived below the poverty line the government officially adopted late last year — including 622,000 children — which is the lowest the agency reported going back to 2006.

The drops since the Liberals took office in 2015 were also noted in the agency’s release: 278,000 fewer children living below the poverty line in 2017 — the first full year of the benefit — compared to 2015 when the Liberals took office.

Statistics Canada said an increase in the value of child benefits, coupled with gains in market income, put more money into the pockets of families in 2017 — which Liberals touted Tuesday as a political and policy victory.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2019/02/26/liberals-bump-in-child-be...

The report also found the rate of people living in poverty across Canada of any age had dropped from 10.6 per cent to 9.5 per cent.

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WWWTT

What a garbage news reporting agency the Toronto star is!

I pulled this ripe turd out of the link Mighty Middle paraded up thread

“It certainly shows a program that is simple for the government to manage, simple for families to receive, and fair for everyone ... is a good thing when it comes to making more Canadians able to make ends meet,” Social Development Minister Jean-Yves Duclos said in an interview.

Looks like the star is content on spreading liberal lies without any scrutiny you’d expect from unbiased ethical journalism!

What about the record low vacancy rates in southern Ontario Toronto star? What about the skyrocketing rents in Ontario? Oh ya right that stuff happened more into 2018, so let’s forget about 2018 and stick with a year further in the past that looks rosier, 2017

Any news/data on how the claim of the poverty rate reduction is/was supported?

Total garbage from the star! liberal mouth pieces!

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

What a garbage news reporting agency the Toronto star is!

Actually they are getting their information from Statistics Canada - so unless you also want to accuse Statistics Canada of lying as well.

WWWTT

Ya stats Can had a falling out with the Harper regime and the Justin regime made nice nice. So ya, government agencies being politically biased, not a big stretch. Same shit going on right now with the cbc. 

Also, the star controls how they wright their articles. They’re a full fledged member of the icm. 

JKR

I think the Canada Child Benefit has been a huge success. It has reduced poverty and increased equality. The federal Liberals should be commended for it. Here in BC the BC NDP has enhanced it. 

JKR

Going from 10.6% to 9.5% is a decrease by a very significant 10.4% in just one year!

Mighty Middle

WWWTT wrote:

Ya stats Can had a falling out with the Harper regime and the Justin regime made nice nice. So ya, government agencies being politically biased, not a big stretch. Same shit going on right now with the cbc. 

Also, the star controls how they wright their articles. They’re a full fledged member of the icm. 

So Statistics Canada is in bed with Justin Trudeau, and they made-up these numbers and fed them to the Toronto Red Star

OK got it.

WWWTT

@JKR

agree and disagree. 

Child tax benefit is helping, it’s helping my family somewhat. Improving equality? Not sure if increasing handouts to the less fortunate qualifies as improving equality?

There are also other very ominous regressive factors dragging citizens into poverty. The liberal approach is the most benign. It addresses next to nothing but somehow is being trumpeted as a best solution. 

Way over rated!

NDPP

Poverty is growing not dropping despite all their bullshit-baffles-brains numbers for numbskulls.

JKR

@ WWWTT

I think it’s an important piece in the puzzle. Other important pieces would be, a minimum basic income, a national public housing program, free public transit, a national public pharmacare program, a national home care program, a national public dental program, a national public optometry program, free childcare, free post-secondary education, free community recreation centres,...

Mighty Middle

According to Statistics Canada - Alberta is the province that has seen a dramatic plunge in child poverty rates, driven largely by provincial and federal benefits targeted at low-income families

Figures released by Statistics Canada on Tuesday show Alberta's rate was cut in half between 2015 and 2017, falling from 10 per cent of children living in poverty to five per cent.

But NDPP DISPUTES Statistics Canada's findings in Alberta saying

NDPP wrote:

Poverty is growing not dropping despite all their bullshit-baffles-brains numbers for numbskulls.

So NDPP child poverty it is actually growing in Alberta?

Since WWWTT & NDPP says Statistics Canada is LYING through their teeth, that is good news for Jason Kenney to use against Rachel Notley. By saying that falling rates of child poverty in Alberta is a 100% LIE (that according to WWWTT & NDPP )

I'm sure once Jason Kenney reads WWWTT & NDPP "proof" that this is a 100% LIE by Statistics Canada, Kenney can use that to torpedo Rachel Notley narrative about tackling Child Poverty.

Congratulations WWWTT & NDPP for giving a leg-up to Kenney against Notley.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-child-poverty-benefits-fe...

JKR

NDPP wrote:

Poverty is growing not dropping despite all their bullshit-baffles-brains numbers for numbskulls.

How does Canada’s poverty rate compare with Russia’s, Venezuela’s, and Syria’s?

Pondering

More important than benefits is changing attitudes. Anyone working fulltime should be able to afford a reasonable life. Two people working fulltime should be able to buy a house. 

As long as CEOs are vacuuming up all the profits to give themselves a 6 million dollar "salary" workers are being cheated. 

JKR

Pondering wrote:

More important than benefits is changing attitudes. Anyone working fulltime should be able to afford a reasonable life. Two people working fulltime should be able to buy a house. 

What’s wrong with renting? Here in Vancouver real estate is very expensive so it would be difficult for governments to sell the social housing they build here. Although that is what they basically do in Singapore but significantly they are a city-state. A person buying a house in Vancouver through a social housing program could sell it for a few million dollars and make a huge windfall by moving elsewhere. A condo in Vancouver would fetch around a million. It’s probably much the same in Toronto.

Aristotleded24

Note that Alberta experienced the largest drop of all the provinces. This is also the only province that not only had a consistent NDP government during that time, but also experienced a huge economic hit, probably the worst of all the provinces. After having watched the NDP government in Manitoba preside over the highest child poverty rates in the country for almost the entirety of its term, it is great to finally see an NDP government making a positive difference in the area where it is supposed to.

Sean in Ottawa

Much of the argument here is needlessly partisan. Let's unpack this.

The Liberals have brought in a policy directed at providing cash to families with children. I cannot imagine how people here can oppose that without being partisan or how anyone can deny that delivery of cash to children is going to help those children and that it is a good thing. This boggles the mind.

That said we have other issues going on. One is the establishment of the poverty line. This line is arbitrary using methodology that can be challenged and it is quite controversial for several reasons: First it does not take account of actual costs in different regions (and cost of housing in particular varies dramatically from place to place), Second there is no universal definition of poverty and no universally accepted set of items one should eb able to buy or accepted standard of living. thirdly, not all families in trouble have children. There are parents desperately trying to help their adult children who did not recieve this help when they were under age 18. There is nothing for them. There are many gaps in terms of people desperate due to low incomes and high costs, particularly housing.

Another issue is that the overal equality is still declining. While this is a measure that can help the children of the lowest income Canadians be a little less poor, it does not address the problems of the continuing decline of the middle income group, it does not address the growing concentration of wealth. The Trudeau government's child benefit is similar to its middle income tax break. The child benefit addresses the poorest kids helping them a little while ignoring middle income kids whose standard of living is declining. The middle class tax cutworked on the opposite margin taking money from the top half of the one percent and gave it mostly to others in the top 10% while ignoring the real median income group.

None of this means that we should attack the Liberals for doing somehting for children however insufficient it is. I think it is silly to suggest that this child benefit is not a good thing or that it won't make a difference. The NDP could have brought in this and probably supported it. However, the problem is the Liberals raise these policies up as if they were comprehensive solutions for Canadians. This is tinkering. The two biggest parties in Canada do this -- pretending to offer substantial help. The Conservatives are promising to take the GST off home heating. This is a policy tantamount to offering everyone, including those starving a crumb. It is another micro-program designed to make more noise than it costs and designed for headlines rather than any meaningful change.

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JKR wrote:

I think the Canada Child Benefit has been a huge success. It has reduced poverty and increased equality. The federal Liberals should be commended for it. Here in BC the BC NDP has enhanced it. 

I agree the numbers are valid.  On twitter a number of left leaning posters have sorted through this.  Indeed a lot of the credit was given to some career civil servants who took a mishmash of programs and combined them into one program which was far more effective.

While the numbers are real it doesn't change the basic facts about general poverty and income inequality, just that a flawed system is a little less flawed.

Sean in Ottawa

Pogo wrote:

JKR wrote:

I think the Canada Child Benefit has been a huge success. It has reduced poverty and increased equality. The federal Liberals should be commended for it. Here in BC the BC NDP has enhanced it. 

I agree the numbers are valid.  On twitter a number of left leaning posters have sorted through this.  Indeed a lot of the credit was given to some career civil servants who took a mishmash of programs and combined them into one program which was far more effective.

While the numbers are real it doesn't change the basic facts about general poverty and income inequality, just that a flawed system is a little less flawed.

I think it did move the needle a little on the absolute desperation of children under 18. The money was not insignificant.

I agree that it did not address poverty in a more general way and absolutely nothing about the growing inequity and wealth concentration.

JKR

New or enhanced wealth taxes are required to reduce inequality. I think the NDP, Greens, and even the Liberals will have some interesting planks in their election platforms concerning wealth taxes.

Sean in Ottawa

JKR wrote:

New or enhanced wealth taxes are required to reduce inequality. I think the NDP, Greens, and even the Liberals will have some interesting planks in their election platforms concerning wealth taxes.

I hope so. I worry that these policies might be for election promotion and be so inadequate that they would not make a difference.

The real scandal on wealth in my estimation is that ALL of the benefits of technology which have made workers much more productive have gone to capital rather than a share to the workers who are more productive. The problem this creates for the economy is that there is no more work for workers and either they face fewer hours of work with the same hourly wage, fewer are employed or the economy wastes just to make employment at the cost of the environment and keeping people working just as hard even though they could do their work in a fraction of the time.

If instead of looking at hourly wages over the last generation we looked at compensationfor productivity, we would see that workers are getting less and less of a share of the work they do and employers are taking all the benefits of technology for themselves. On top of this there is gross inequity in aggressive business practices so that many businesses are scraping by even while exploiting their workers in order to turn over the benefits to a smaller and smaller group of business entities. Thus even in the business worl there is a strong trend to wealth concentration.