Quebec NDP youth and Brian Topp - something happened?

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Quebec NDP youth and Brian Topp - something happened?

Something fishy happened at a meeting of the NDP Quebec Youth section.

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theleftyinvestor

Something fishy happened at a meeting of the NDP Quebec Youth section. It involved Brian Topp somehow but all I've seen are reactions to it on Twitter. Anyone know what happened?

https://twitter.com/#!/GerardDiTrolio/status/176141249533853696
@GerardDiTrolio The @BrianTopp campaign's actions @ NDP QC Youth meeting contradicts Brian's "we don't need to become the Liberals to win" statement #ndpldr

https://twitter.com/#!/punditsguide/status/176060831191150594
@punditsguide Seems there's a little #ndpldr dust-up going on in the NPD-Qué youth mtg right now. Mulcair supporters saying Topp'ites trying to "hijack"..

 

Pogo Pogo's picture

I don't think people should be too agitated about the goings on with Youth sections.  It is where people are still learning the nature of politics.  Sometimes they are going to mess up and sometimes they are going to manipulated.  Howevr the net effect is going to quite minimal.  I can't see a great many being bullied into filling their ballot one way or another based on a controversial vote of a provincial youth section.

Brachina

True, I don't think this will change any ballots, much, althouth Topp may drop lower on the ballots of those who favour over people.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

It was discussed at length here, tli.

Winston

I think Pogo hit the nail on the head: these young people learned a little lesson in how politics (and political organizing) is done, from the leadership camp of one of the best there is.

Was there anything improper about how the Topp endorsement played out?  No.  Is it going to change the outcome of the leadership race in any way, shape or form?  No.  Did it shatter some idealistic illusions and wound some egos?  Probably.

But mark my words, all of the JNDQ members present at the meeting will be better-prepared, better-organized and more savvy the next time it is needed.

theleftyinvestor

Thanks for the link. This one from thread 114 gives some insight: https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=310591839003237

I'm reminded of the time my sister was editor of a university newspaper. Someone submitted a badly written article about Israel/Palestone and she rejected it. Then a bunch of activists who had never been involved in the paper stormed a meeting, accused her of being a Zionist, and kicked her off the board. Student/youth politics can get messy...

Jacob Two-Two

Winston wrote:

But mark my words, all of the JNDQ members present at the meeting will be better-prepared, better-organized and more savvy the next time it is needed.

I suppose that's possible, but they'll also all be pissed off at Brian Topp and his supporters. Successful candidates build support at these things, not alienate everyone present. That was a dumb move all around. It's probably true that it won't change many votes, but it will definitely contribute to how people view Topp himself. This and a number of other maneuvers by him have certainly lowered my esteem.

Winston

Jacob Two-Two wrote:

I suppose that's possible, but they'll also all be pissed off at Brian Topp and his supporters.

So there's another upside to this debacle!  Smile

While I joke, I most certainly agree with you.  The tone of some of Topp's attacks has turned me off too, but I really don't think we can pin this one on him personally.

And in the scheme of things, taking the JNDQ endorsement was done legitimately and perfectly in keeping with how the game is played, even if it bothered some people.

Michelle

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I wonder whether the JNDQ might consider having a procedural rule about notices of motions before meetings.  That is, when it comes to an issue of importance, they could have a rule that says they have to give notice of motion a certain number of days beforehand.

In the other thread, it was admitted that what the Topp supporters did was procedurally fine, but the others just didn't like it because they felt ambushed by the motion and the fact that the Topp supporters signed up and encouraged enough supporters to attend to possibly pass it. 

So, if there is as much consensus among the youth as the folks in the previous thread were stating that there was that this type of surprise motion is something they don't like, then there is a way of making sure it doesn't happen again.

KenS

I'm getting a picture of Brian Topp as court jester in the race.

There is no reason the jester can't be Leader.

But all's well that ends well.

Michelle

By the way, I don't see the JNDQ on Topp's list of endorsers on his website.  So I'm not sure that he "took the endorsement" as stated above.

cco

There was no endorsement. After the Mulcair supporters walked out and the meeting president resigned, the motion to endorse Topp was withdrawn and the meeting was adjourned without electing a new president.

Unionist

It's wonderful to see the party stalwarts imparting to the youth the lessons of honesty, transparency, integrity, and taking no prisoners.

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Thank God we have Unionist more or less on our side! Laughing

Brachina

Michelle wrote:

I mentioned this in the other thread, but I wonder whether the JNDQ might consider having a procedural rule about notices of motions before meetings.  That is, when it comes to an issue of importance, they could have a rule that says they have to give notice of motion a certain number of days beforehand.

In the other thread, it was admitted that what the Topp supporters did was procedurally fine, but the others just didn't like it because they felt ambushed by the motion and the fact that the Topp supporters signed up and encouraged enough supporters to attend to possibly pass it. 

So, if there is as much consensus among the youth as the folks in the previous thread were stating that there was that this type of surprise motion is something they don't like, then there is a way of making sure it doesn't happen again.

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Excellent idea. +1

DSloth

Semi-related and probably not worth it's own thread but someone claiming to be the NDP Youth twitter account is making obnxious tweets about Mulcair privitizing everything and other nonsense.

FYI This is a fake account and the national NDP Youth will remain neutral throughout this campaign.