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Am taking my last 2 posts from the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=008011]fo... thread[/url] as they made it over 100 posts and I was wondering why the slow upload.

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Am taking my last 2 posts from the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=008011]fo... thread[/url] as they made it over 100 posts and I was wondering why the slow upload.

remind remind's picture

Am taking my last 2 posts from the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=008011]fo... thread[/url] as they made it over 100 posts and I was wondering why the slow upload.

remind remind's picture

Am taking my last 2 posts from the [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=008011]fo... thread[/url] as they made it over 100 posts and I was wondering why the slow upload.

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Nonsense Jas, the Liberal vote went up ONLY because there was NO NDP there to vote for. Nice attempt at skewing the optics but it is a failed and flawed effort. The facts indicate otherwise.

The Liberals could NOT even knock Lunn out with a supposed "star" candidate and no NDP. If you all were sooo concerned about knocking Lunn out, Briony would have gone with the 2nd place NDP, assuming they asked her, instead of the 3rd place Liberals. As she could have possibly stood more chances at getting GP and Liberal votes with the NDP, than she did with the Liberals trying to get GP and NDP votes.

There are NDP down there who would rather vote Lunn than vote Liberal, as 3500+ did, or stay home as 2k did, as you can see from the results and Lunn's increased vote size. And there are 6k+ worth of environmentalists who would stay Green, as opposed to voting Liberal, even if there is one running who has strong environmental credentials.

Look at it this way; 3572 voted for Lunn as opposed to Briony/Liberals, 3667 voted NDP anyway and 6732 voted for Lewis. So 13,971 people voted [b]against[/b] Briony/Liberals, and 2k stayed home. That is 16k worth of people who would NOT support Briony, under a Liberal banner, in [b]any[/b] circumstance. That is a significant number of people that you all failed to factor into your foolish strategic plan. Keep it in mind next time you try and manufacture a win with ugly shenanigans. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

Moreover, you can shove your blind party loyalty comments in respect to the NDP, as Briony/Liberals got a manufactured 8k worth of NDP votes that she would not have gotten otherwise. They could have stayed home, or voted GP and perhaps they should have considering your and Brian's tone and attitude.

As we all can see, the Liberal vote only went up because there was no NDP there, and that Briony's alleged star power actually means SFA in the greater scheme of things. Had the NDP had a candidate she probably would have finished lower than Sheila Orr did, or close to the same level.

When are you people going to get the fact that "hoped" for results do not justify the means and that many many voters do not like to be scammed/manipulated? And of course the elephant in the room is that your focusing on paybacks instead of the environment, only hurts the environmental cause, just as Stuart Parker told you all back in 2000. As another said above, if it was not Lunn turning lakes into tailing ponds it would just be another CPC MP doing it. Gawd, I cannot believe how short sighted and mean spirited some of you all still are. And yet you dare scream about the NDP being partisan.

Furthermore, there is no quibbling about motives, they stand as they are, and they are not a pretty, nor ethical, sight. Suck it up, and grow up, you guys made your bed, now lie in it. Blamming others is ridiculous, you only have yourselves to blame, not that you all ever will, apparently.

And having said that, trying to minimize and cover up what was done by using "quibbling about motives" is a freaking laugh. There is no quibbling and there is going to be a huge fall out about this, as you well know, or you would not have stated that it wil be 2-3 more elections before a change can be made now.

Stupid, stupid, ego driven actions have split environmentalists, not only on VIsland, but across the province. That you all will not stand up and admit to making a huge mistake and try to rectify it, if it can be even, as reputations and environmental credentials were lost, Briony's too, will only compound it, further.

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Nonsense Jas, the Liberal vote went up ONLY because there was NO NDP there to vote for. Nice attempt at skewing the optics but it is a failed and flawed effort. The facts indicate otherwise.

The Liberals could NOT even knock Lunn out with a supposed "star" candidate and no NDP. If you all were sooo concerned about knocking Lunn out, Briony would have gone with the 2nd place NDP, assuming they asked her, instead of the 3rd place Liberals. As she could have possibly stood more chances at getting GP and Liberal votes with the NDP, than she did with the Liberals trying to get GP and NDP votes.

There are NDP down there who would rather vote Lunn than vote Liberal, as 3500+ did, or stay home as 2k did, as you can see from the results and Lunn's increased vote size. And there are 6k+ worth of environmentalists who would stay Green, as opposed to voting Liberal, even if there is one running who has strong environmental credentials.

Look at it this way; 3572 voted for Lunn as opposed to Briony/Liberals, 3667 voted NDP anyway and 6732 voted for Lewis. So 13,971 people voted [b]against[/b] Briony/Liberals, and 2k stayed home. That is 16k worth of people who would NOT support Briony, under a Liberal banner, in [b]any[/b] circumstance. That is a significant number of people that you all failed to factor into your foolish strategic plan. Keep it in mind next time you try and manufacture a win with ugly shenanigans. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

Moreover, you can shove your blind party loyalty comments in respect to the NDP, as Briony/Liberals got a manufactured 8k worth of NDP votes that she would not have gotten otherwise. They could have stayed home, or voted GP and perhaps they should have considering your and Brian's tone and attitude.

As we all can see, the Liberal vote only went up because there was no NDP there, and that Briony's alleged star power actually means SFA in the greater scheme of things. Had the NDP had a candidate she probably would have finished lower than Sheila Orr did, or close to the same level.

When are you people going to get the fact that "hoped" for results do not justify the means and that many many voters do not like to be scammed/manipulated? And of course the elephant in the room is that your focusing on paybacks instead of the environment, only hurts the environmental cause, just as Stuart Parker told you all back in 2000. As another said above, if it was not Lunn turning lakes into tailing ponds it would just be another CPC MP doing it. Gawd, I cannot believe how short sighted and mean spirited some of you all still are. And yet you dare scream about the NDP being partisan.

Furthermore, there is no quibbling about motives, they stand as they are, and they are not a pretty, nor ethical, sight. Suck it up, and grow up, you guys made your bed, now lie in it. Blamming others is ridiculous, you only have yourselves to blame, not that you all ever will, apparently.

And having said that, trying to minimize and cover up what was done by using "quibbling about motives" is a freaking laugh. There is no quibbling and there is going to be a huge fall out about this, as you well know, or you would not have stated that it wil be 2-3 more elections before a change can be made now.

Stupid, stupid, ego driven actions have split environmentalists, not only on VIsland, but across the province. That you all will not stand up and admit to making a huge mistake and try to rectify it, if it can be even, as reputations and environmental credentials were lost, Briony's too, will only compound it, further.

remind remind's picture

Nonsense Jas, the Liberal vote went up ONLY because there was NO NDP there to vote for. Nice attempt at skewing the optics but it is a failed and flawed effort. The facts indicate otherwise.

The Liberals could NOT even knock Lunn out with a supposed "star" candidate and no NDP. If you all were sooo concerned about knocking Lunn out, Briony would have gone with the 2nd place NDP, assuming they asked her, instead of the 3rd place Liberals. As she could have possibly stood more chances at getting GP and Liberal votes with the NDP, than she did with the Liberals trying to get GP and NDP votes.

There are NDP down there who would rather vote Lunn than vote Liberal, as 3500+ did, or stay home as 2k did, as you can see from the results and Lunn's increased vote size. And there are 6k+ worth of environmentalists who would stay Green, as opposed to voting Liberal, even if there is one running who has strong environmental credentials.

Look at it this way; 3572 voted for Lunn as opposed to Briony/Liberals, 3667 voted NDP anyway and 6732 voted for Lewis. So 13,971 people voted [b]against[/b] Briony/Liberals, and 2k stayed home. That is 16k worth of people who would NOT support Briony, under a Liberal banner, in [b]any[/b] circumstance. That is a significant number of people that you all failed to factor into your foolish strategic plan. Keep it in mind next time you try and manufacture a win with ugly shenanigans. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

Moreover, you can shove your blind party loyalty comments in respect to the NDP, as Briony/Liberals got a manufactured 8k worth of NDP votes that she would not have gotten otherwise. They could have stayed home, or voted GP and perhaps they should have considering your and Brian's tone and attitude.

As we all can see, the Liberal vote only went up because there was no NDP there, and that Briony's alleged star power actually means SFA in the greater scheme of things. Had the NDP had a candidate she probably would have finished lower than Sheila Orr did, or close to the same level.

When are you people going to get the fact that "hoped" for results do not justify the means and that many many voters do not like to be scammed/manipulated? And of course the elephant in the room is that your focusing on paybacks instead of the environment, only hurts the environmental cause, just as Stuart Parker told you all back in 2000. As another said above, if it was not Lunn turning lakes into tailing ponds it would just be another CPC MP doing it. Gawd, I cannot believe how short sighted and mean spirited some of you all still are. And yet you dare scream about the NDP being partisan.

Furthermore, there is no quibbling about motives, they stand as they are, and they are not a pretty, nor ethical, sight. Suck it up, and grow up, you guys made your bed, now lie in it. Blamming others is ridiculous, you only have yourselves to blame, not that you all ever will, apparently.

And having said that, trying to minimize and cover up what was done by using "quibbling about motives" is a freaking laugh. There is no quibbling and there is going to be a huge fall out about this, as you well know, or you would not have stated that it wil be 2-3 more elections before a change can be made now.

Stupid, stupid, ego driven actions have split environmentalists, not only on VIsland, but across the province. That you all will not stand up and admit to making a huge mistake and try to rectify it, if it can be even, as reputations and environmental credentials were lost, Briony's too, will only compound it, further.

remind remind's picture

Nonsense Jas, the Liberal vote went up ONLY because there was NO NDP there to vote for. Nice attempt at skewing the optics but it is a failed and flawed effort. The facts indicate otherwise.

The Liberals could NOT even knock Lunn out with a supposed "star" candidate and no NDP. If you all were sooo concerned about knocking Lunn out, Briony would have gone with the 2nd place NDP, assuming they asked her, instead of the 3rd place Liberals. As she could have possibly stood more chances at getting GP and Liberal votes with the NDP, than she did with the Liberals trying to get GP and NDP votes.

There are NDP down there who would rather vote Lunn than vote Liberal, as 3500+ did, or stay home as 2k did, as you can see from the results and Lunn's increased vote size. And there are 6k+ worth of environmentalists who would stay Green, as opposed to voting Liberal, even if there is one running who has strong environmental credentials.

Look at it this way; 3572 voted for Lunn as opposed to Briony/Liberals, 3667 voted NDP anyway and 6732 voted for Lewis. So 13,971 people voted [b]against[/b] Briony/Liberals, and 2k stayed home. That is 16k worth of people who would NOT support Briony, under a Liberal banner, in [b]any[/b] circumstance. That is a significant number of people that you all failed to factor into your foolish strategic plan. Keep it in mind next time you try and manufacture a win with ugly shenanigans. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

Moreover, you can shove your blind party loyalty comments in respect to the NDP, as Briony/Liberals got a manufactured 8k worth of NDP votes that she would not have gotten otherwise. They could have stayed home, or voted GP and perhaps they should have considering your and Brian's tone and attitude.

As we all can see, the Liberal vote only went up because there was no NDP there, and that Briony's alleged star power actually means SFA in the greater scheme of things. Had the NDP had a candidate she probably would have finished lower than Sheila Orr did, or close to the same level.

When are you people going to get the fact that "hoped" for results do not justify the means and that many many voters do not like to be scammed/manipulated? And of course the elephant in the room is that your focusing on paybacks instead of the environment, only hurts the environmental cause, just as Stuart Parker told you all back in 2000. As another said above, if it was not Lunn turning lakes into tailing ponds it would just be another CPC MP doing it. Gawd, I cannot believe how short sighted and mean spirited some of you all still are. And yet you dare scream about the NDP being partisan.

Furthermore, there is no quibbling about motives, they stand as they are, and they are not a pretty, nor ethical, sight. Suck it up, and grow up, you guys made your bed, now lie in it. Blamming others is ridiculous, you only have yourselves to blame, not that you all ever will, apparently.

And having said that, trying to minimize and cover up what was done by using "quibbling about motives" is a freaking laugh. There is no quibbling and there is going to be a huge fall out about this, as you well know, or you would not have stated that it wil be 2-3 more elections before a change can be made now.

Stupid, stupid, ego driven actions have split environmentalists, not only on VIsland, but across the province. That you all will not stand up and admit to making a huge mistake and try to rectify it, if it can be even, as reputations and environmental credentials were lost, Briony's too, will only compound it, further.

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by scott:
[b]Opponents of the Greens have taken this as a rejection of the Green Party while Green Party supporters see it as an endorsement.[/b]

Yes well, you can take it how you want, as will I, but I believe evidence suggests that Suzuki perhaps meant otherwise, he knows full well what is going on here in BC with some GP members, and the yanking of the BC Sierra Club's grant supports this. Moreover, I don't suppoe you noticed that he said:

quote:

We need to be at a point where the[b] values that are talked about[/b] by the Green Party are all values that Canadians have.”

He did not say that the GP upholds those values he said they "talk" about them.

quote:

[b] As leader of a registered non-profit Suzuki can neither endorse or reject political parties, let his tax exempt status is pulled, as it was for the BC Sierra Club a few weeks ago. [/b]

And what another fine example that is of the GP members thinking they can play both ends towards the middle, by believing they can be "nuanced" and claim non-partisanship, while being partisan as hell, as well as a good example of blamming others for their own actions. So, now we see they are destroying the environmental movement both politically and NGO wise because of their egos and their remaining in a closed feedback loop.

The incestuous relationship between the GP and environmental NGO's has destroyed pretty much all their credibility, and when you now add the Liberals into the mix there is actually a credibility deficit.

The Sierra Club is partisan nowadays, and it never used to be, EMay, and both the GP and the Liberals have used it to try and foster positive public opinion for themselves. And now it is a discredited shell, devoid of any ability to help environment causes in the way that it did before. And just watch for more BC environmental NGO's with ties to the GP, and Libs, to bear the brunt of this too.

Do you actually think that the Land Conservatory is going to get any federal backing nowadays, or the Sage Club? Do you believe that NDP environmentalists are going to support anything coming from these orgs? Hopefully the VWS, comes out of it unscathed.

Gawd, you people have made a mess, and it is the environment and environmental causes that are suffering for it and are going to suffer more. And I think that is what Suzuki was indicating about the GP.

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by scott:
[b]Opponents of the Greens have taken this as a rejection of the Green Party while Green Party supporters see it as an endorsement.[/b]

Yes well, you can take it how you want, as will I, but I believe evidence suggests that Suzuki perhaps meant otherwise, he knows full well what is going on here in BC with some GP members, and the yanking of the BC Sierra Club's grant supports this. Moreover, I don't suppoe you noticed that he said:

quote:

We need to be at a point where the[b] values that are talked about[/b] by the Green Party are all values that Canadians have.”

He did not say that the GP upholds those values he said they "talk" about them.

quote:

[b] As leader of a registered non-profit Suzuki can neither endorse or reject political parties, let his tax exempt status is pulled, as it was for the BC Sierra Club a few weeks ago. [/b]

And what another fine example that is of the GP members thinking they can play both ends towards the middle, by believing they can be "nuanced" and claim non-partisanship, while being partisan as hell, as well as a good example of blamming others for their own actions. So, now we see they are destroying the environmental movement both politically and NGO wise because of their egos and their remaining in a closed feedback loop.

The incestuous relationship between the GP and environmental NGO's has destroyed pretty much all their credibility, and when you now add the Liberals into the mix there is actually a credibility deficit.

The Sierra Club is partisan nowadays, and it never used to be, EMay, and both the GP and the Liberals have used it to try and foster positive public opinion for themselves. And now it is a discredited shell, devoid of any ability to help environment causes in the way that it did before. And just watch for more BC environmental NGO's with ties to the GP, and Libs, to bear the brunt of this too.

Do you actually think that the Land Conservatory is going to get any federal backing nowadays, or the Sage Club? Do you believe that NDP environmentalists are going to support anything coming from these orgs? Hopefully the VWS, comes out of it unscathed.

Gawd, you people have made a mess, and it is the environment and environmental causes that are suffering for it and are going to suffer more. And I think that is what Suzuki was indicating about the GP.

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by scott:
[b]Opponents of the Greens have taken this as a rejection of the Green Party while Green Party supporters see it as an endorsement.[/b]

Yes well, you can take it how you want, as will I, but I believe evidence suggests that Suzuki perhaps meant otherwise, he knows full well what is going on here in BC with some GP members, and the yanking of the BC Sierra Club's grant supports this. Moreover, I don't suppoe you noticed that he said:

quote:

We need to be at a point where the[b] values that are talked about[/b] by the Green Party are all values that Canadians have.”

He did not say that the GP upholds those values he said they "talk" about them.

quote:

[b] As leader of a registered non-profit Suzuki can neither endorse or reject political parties, let his tax exempt status is pulled, as it was for the BC Sierra Club a few weeks ago. [/b]

And what another fine example that is of the GP members thinking they can play both ends towards the middle, by believing they can be "nuanced" and claim non-partisanship, while being partisan as hell, as well as a good example of blamming others for their own actions. So, now we see they are destroying the environmental movement both politically and NGO wise because of their egos and their remaining in a closed feedback loop.

The incestuous relationship between the GP and environmental NGO's has destroyed pretty much all their credibility, and when you now add the Liberals into the mix there is actually a credibility deficit.

The Sierra Club is partisan nowadays, and it never used to be, EMay, and both the GP and the Liberals have used it to try and foster positive public opinion for themselves. And now it is a discredited shell, devoid of any ability to help environment causes in the way that it did before. And just watch for more BC environmental NGO's with ties to the GP, and Libs, to bear the brunt of this too.

Do you actually think that the Land Conservatory is going to get any federal backing nowadays, or the Sage Club? Do you believe that NDP environmentalists are going to support anything coming from these orgs? Hopefully the VWS, comes out of it unscathed.

Gawd, you people have made a mess, and it is the environment and environmental causes that are suffering for it and are going to suffer more. And I think that is what Suzuki was indicating about the GP.

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by scott:
[b]Opponents of the Greens have taken this as a rejection of the Green Party while Green Party supporters see it as an endorsement.[/b]

Yes well, you can take it how you want, as will I, but I believe evidence suggests that Suzuki perhaps meant otherwise, he knows full well what is going on here in BC with some GP members, and the yanking of the BC Sierra Club's grant supports this. Moreover, I don't suppoe you noticed that he said:

quote:

We need to be at a point where the[b] values that are talked about[/b] by the Green Party are all values that Canadians have.”

He did not say that the GP upholds those values he said they "talk" about them.

quote:

[b] As leader of a registered non-profit Suzuki can neither endorse or reject political parties, let his tax exempt status is pulled, as it was for the BC Sierra Club a few weeks ago. [/b]

And what another fine example that is of the GP members thinking they can play both ends towards the middle, by believing they can be "nuanced" and claim non-partisanship, while being partisan as hell, as well as a good example of blamming others for their own actions. So, now we see they are destroying the environmental movement both politically and NGO wise because of their egos and their remaining in a closed feedback loop.

The incestuous relationship between the GP and environmental NGO's has destroyed pretty much all their credibility, and when you now add the Liberals into the mix there is actually a credibility deficit.

The Sierra Club is partisan nowadays, and it never used to be, EMay, and both the GP and the Liberals have used it to try and foster positive public opinion for themselves. And now it is a discredited shell, devoid of any ability to help environment causes in the way that it did before. And just watch for more BC environmental NGO's with ties to the GP, and Libs, to bear the brunt of this too.

Do you actually think that the Land Conservatory is going to get any federal backing nowadays, or the Sage Club? Do you believe that NDP environmentalists are going to support anything coming from these orgs? Hopefully the VWS, comes out of it unscathed.

Gawd, you people have made a mess, and it is the environment and environmental causes that are suffering for it and are going to suffer more. And I think that is what Suzuki was indicating about the GP.

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

madmax

The Green Party is a political party. The goal is to succeed regardless of the negative effect they may have on the environment.

Those are some pretty long and detailed thoughts.

It doesn't appear that the GP has done anything to save the environment if what you are saying is true.

From what I read, only one program was cancelled. I didn't see that the charitable status of the BC Sierra Club was revoked.

Did I miss that in the thread?

madmax

The Green Party is a political party. The goal is to succeed regardless of the negative effect they may have on the environment.

Those are some pretty long and detailed thoughts.

It doesn't appear that the GP has done anything to save the environment if what you are saying is true.

From what I read, only one program was cancelled. I didn't see that the charitable status of the BC Sierra Club was revoked.

Did I miss that in the thread?

madmax

The Green Party is a political party. The goal is to succeed regardless of the negative effect they may have on the environment.

Those are some pretty long and detailed thoughts.

It doesn't appear that the GP has done anything to save the environment if what you are saying is true.

From what I read, only one program was cancelled. I didn't see that the charitable status of the BC Sierra Club was revoked.

Did I miss that in the thread?

madmax

The Green Party is a political party. The goal is to succeed regardless of the negative effect they may have on the environment.

Those are some pretty long and detailed thoughts.

It doesn't appear that the GP has done anything to save the environment if what you are saying is true.

From what I read, only one program was cancelled. I didn't see that the charitable status of the BC Sierra Club was revoked.

Did I miss that in the thread?

surfdoc surfdoc's picture

Remind, do you have any facts that support this conspiracy theory of yours?

You've been calling shenanigans for a while now, but where are the facts to support this?

surfdoc surfdoc's picture

Remind, do you have any facts that support this conspiracy theory of yours?

You've been calling shenanigans for a while now, but where are the facts to support this?

surfdoc surfdoc's picture

Remind, do you have any facts that support this conspiracy theory of yours?

You've been calling shenanigans for a while now, but where are the facts to support this?

surfdoc surfdoc's picture

Remind, do you have any facts that support this conspiracy theory of yours?

You've been calling shenanigans for a while now, but where are the facts to support this?

Brian White

I appoligise for suggesting that people were moral cowards. Mal uses "liberal" as a constant slurr much as a us republican talks about the "liberal media" or the n word.
The funny thing is that I wrote the most caustic letter I ever wrote to the local paper about paul martin and yet I am still branded a liberal.
Brian

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by madmax:
[b]The Green Party is a political party. The goal is to succeed regardless of the negative effect they may have on the environment. [/b]

Good observation.

quote:

[b]It doesn't appear that the GP has done anything to save the environment if what you are saying is true.[/b]

Can you name 1 thing even? I can't and I have been watching for going on 30 years out here.

quote:

[b]From what I read, only one program was cancelled. I didn't see that the charitable status of the BC Sierra Club was revoked.

Did I miss that in the thread?[/b]


I didn't say it was, that was another poster in the other thread who said so, not me. The link the poster pot up said they lost a 100k contract for partisanship. Perhaps there is something in the works to that effect too?

Brian White

I appoligise for suggesting that people were moral cowards. Mal uses "liberal" as a constant slurr much as a us republican talks about the "liberal media" or the n word.
The funny thing is that I wrote the most caustic letter I ever wrote to the local paper about paul martin and yet I am still branded a liberal.
Brian

Brian White

I appoligise for suggesting that people were moral cowards. Mal uses "liberal" as a constant slurr much as a us republican talks about the "liberal media" or the n word.
The funny thing is that I wrote the most caustic letter I ever wrote to the local paper about paul martin and yet I am still branded a liberal.
Brian

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by madmax:
[b]The Green Party is a political party. The goal is to succeed regardless of the negative effect they may have on the environment. [/b]

Good observation.

quote:

[b]It doesn't appear that the GP has done anything to save the environment if what you are saying is true.[/b]

Can you name 1 thing even? I can't and I have been watching for going on 30 years out here.

quote:

[b]From what I read, only one program was cancelled. I didn't see that the charitable status of the BC Sierra Club was revoked.

Did I miss that in the thread?[/b]


I didn't say it was, that was another poster in the other thread who said so, not me. The link the poster pot up said they lost a 100k contract for partisanship. Perhaps there is something in the works to that effect too?

Brian White

I appoligise for suggesting that people were moral cowards. Mal uses "liberal" as a constant slurr much as a us republican talks about the "liberal media" or the n word.
The funny thing is that I wrote the most caustic letter I ever wrote to the local paper about paul martin and yet I am still branded a liberal.
Brian

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by madmax:
[b]The Green Party is a political party. The goal is to succeed regardless of the negative effect they may have on the environment. [/b]

Good observation.

quote:

[b]It doesn't appear that the GP has done anything to save the environment if what you are saying is true.[/b]

Can you name 1 thing even? I can't and I have been watching for going on 30 years out here.

quote:

[b]From what I read, only one program was cancelled. I didn't see that the charitable status of the BC Sierra Club was revoked.

Did I miss that in the thread?[/b]


I didn't say it was, that was another poster in the other thread who said so, not me. The link the poster pot up said they lost a 100k contract for partisanship. Perhaps there is something in the works to that effect too?

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by madmax:
[b]The Green Party is a political party. The goal is to succeed regardless of the negative effect they may have on the environment. [/b]

Good observation.

quote:

[b]It doesn't appear that the GP has done anything to save the environment if what you are saying is true.[/b]

Can you name 1 thing even? I can't and I have been watching for going on 30 years out here.

quote:

[b]From what I read, only one program was cancelled. I didn't see that the charitable status of the BC Sierra Club was revoked.

Did I miss that in the thread?[/b]


I didn't say it was, that was another poster in the other thread who said so, not me. The link the poster pot up said they lost a 100k contract for partisanship. Perhaps there is something in the works to that effect too?

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by surfdoc:
[b]...this conspiracy theory of yours?[/b]

Oh now that is funny, considering all things that have just played out in the public eye, and all the ones that have been linked to here, eh?

Surely you aren't denying that the BC GP has been trying to destroy the NDP in BC for 20+ years and that Stuart Parker resigned from the BC GP because it?

Surely you aren't denying the incestuous relationship between the GP in BC and our numerous environmental NGO's, and indeed this inclusive to the Liberal Party too?

Surely you aren't denying Briony's part in the whole West fiasco and Brad Zubyk's use of it publically, with a few twists thrown in to support it? Nor Briony's trying to beg for strategic voting, "enhanced" by the stepping down of West after time was up to replace him?

Surely you are not denying that environmentalists across the province are reeling from the fall out?

Surely you are not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running down to 3, or less?

Surely you are not claiming the GP didn't need to desperately do something to remain relevant?

Should this become bigger than what it is? Perhaps it should, but that remains to be seen, yet. However, the bashing of the NDP over this needs to stop, that I know.

Also, there are links running through this whole election campaign, go back and have a look over them and in the SGI, I made a huge long post with links in another thread a couple of weeks back about the strategic planning that went on, most likely it is just a google away if you have not been following, if you would like to look that is.

Here are some other links, old and new that add local dimensions to facts that are already for common public knowlege in BC and on VIsland. And if you are here in BC you know them as well as I do.

quote:

"Anyone who challenges the clique in-charge faces a vengeance..."

[url=http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/002313.html]http://www.publiceye...

[url=http://www.straight.com/article/carr-s-exit-from-greens-won-t-turn-party...

[url=http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Federal-Politics/2008/09/23/LiberalResea...

[url=http://victoriavision.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html]http://victor...

[url=http://martlet.ca/view/issue/1703]http://martlet.ca/view/issue/1703[/url]

[url=http://communities.canada.com/shareit/blogs/thetrough/archive/2008/09/25... By Nothing, I Meant Everything [/url]

[url=http://bciconcoclast.blogspot.com/2008_09_14_archive.html]http://bciconc...

quote:

Were there secret backroom talks between the Julian West camp and his former Green Party and/or Briony Penn? stranger things have happened in politics.

[url=http://petertolman.blogspot.com/]http://petertolman.blogspot.com/[/url]

quote:

Federal Green climate change critic and prominent environmentalist Guy Dauncey is one of six activists urging party members to vote "None of the Above" at their upcoming Saanich-Gulf Islands nomination meeting - scheduled for this coming Saturday. The reason: according to an open letter distributed by Dogwood Initiative executive director Will Horter, "The candidates already nominated to run against Lunn" - specifically Liberal Briony Penn and New Democrat Julian West - "have strong environmental credentials, are strong advocates for electoral reform, and are not likely to bow down to traditional party politics." And, if the Greens run a candidate in the upcoming election, votes for that individual "could cause the election of (Natural Resources Minister) Gary Lunn, a key player in Stephen Harper's anti-environmental government."

The letter goes onto to state, "The Green Party constitution doesn't specify what happens if 'None of the Above' wins on the nomination ballot. However, the Green Party executive, which has to certify all candidates, is unlikely to override the democratic choice of local members and force a candidate onto its (sic) the ballot." Andrew Lewis is the only candidate running for the nomination. The following is a complete copy of that letter.


[url=http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/002533.html]http://www.publiceye...

And then there are the other Public Eye links in the former thread.

[url=http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=934739a5-... Penn attacked[/url]

Other than naming names, and outting others which I won't do, nor will I start pulling out links associating some peoples, named before, to Ms Penn, this will have to do for the moment, and frankly it should more than suffice to indicate all was not as it seemed, and then some.

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by surfdoc:
[b]...this conspiracy theory of yours?[/b]

Oh now that is funny, considering all things that have just played out in the public eye, and all the ones that have been linked to here, eh?

Surely you aren't denying that the BC GP has been trying to destroy the NDP in BC for 20+ years and that Stuart Parker resigned from the BC GP because it?

Surely you aren't denying the incestuous relationship between the GP in BC and our numerous environmental NGO's, and indeed this inclusive to the Liberal Party too?

Surely you aren't denying Briony's part in the whole West fiasco and Brad Zubyk's use of it publically, with a few twists thrown in to support it? Nor Briony's trying to beg for strategic voting, "enhanced" by the stepping down of West after time was up to replace him?

Surely you are not denying that environmentalists across the province are reeling from the fall out?

Surely you are not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running down to 3, or less?

Surely you are not claiming the GP didn't need to desperately do something to remain relevant?

Should this become bigger than what it is? Perhaps it should, but that remains to be seen, yet. However, the bashing of the NDP over this needs to stop, that I know.

Also, there are links running through this whole election campaign, go back and have a look over them and in the SGI, I made a huge long post with links in another thread a couple of weeks back about the strategic planning that went on, most likely it is just a google away if you have not been following, if you would like to look that is.

Here are some other links, old and new that add local dimensions to facts that are already for common public knowlege in BC and on VIsland. And if you are here in BC you know them as well as I do.

quote:

"Anyone who challenges the clique in-charge faces a vengeance..."

[url=http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/002313.html]http://www.publiceye...

[url=http://www.straight.com/article/carr-s-exit-from-greens-won-t-turn-party...

[url=http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Federal-Politics/2008/09/23/LiberalResea...

[url=http://victoriavision.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html]http://victor...

[url=http://martlet.ca/view/issue/1703]http://martlet.ca/view/issue/1703[/url]

[url=http://communities.canada.com/shareit/blogs/thetrough/archive/2008/09/25... By Nothing, I Meant Everything [/url]

[url=http://bciconcoclast.blogspot.com/2008_09_14_archive.html]http://bciconc...

quote:

Were there secret backroom talks between the Julian West camp and his former Green Party and/or Briony Penn? stranger things have happened in politics.

[url=http://petertolman.blogspot.com/]http://petertolman.blogspot.com/[/url]

quote:

Federal Green climate change critic and prominent environmentalist Guy Dauncey is one of six activists urging party members to vote "None of the Above" at their upcoming Saanich-Gulf Islands nomination meeting - scheduled for this coming Saturday. The reason: according to an open letter distributed by Dogwood Initiative executive director Will Horter, "The candidates already nominated to run against Lunn" - specifically Liberal Briony Penn and New Democrat Julian West - "have strong environmental credentials, are strong advocates for electoral reform, and are not likely to bow down to traditional party politics." And, if the Greens run a candidate in the upcoming election, votes for that individual "could cause the election of (Natural Resources Minister) Gary Lunn, a key player in Stephen Harper's anti-environmental government."

The letter goes onto to state, "The Green Party constitution doesn't specify what happens if 'None of the Above' wins on the nomination ballot. However, the Green Party executive, which has to certify all candidates, is unlikely to override the democratic choice of local members and force a candidate onto its (sic) the ballot." Andrew Lewis is the only candidate running for the nomination. The following is a complete copy of that letter.


[url=http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/002533.html]http://www.publiceye...

And then there are the other Public Eye links in the former thread.

[url=http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=934739a5-... Penn attacked[/url]

Other than naming names, and outting others which I won't do, nor will I start pulling out links associating some peoples, named before, to Ms Penn, this will have to do for the moment, and frankly it should more than suffice to indicate all was not as it seemed, and then some.

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by surfdoc:
[b]...this conspiracy theory of yours?[/b]

Oh now that is funny, considering all things that have just played out in the public eye, and all the ones that have been linked to here, eh?

Surely you aren't denying that the BC GP has been trying to destroy the NDP in BC for 20+ years and that Stuart Parker resigned from the BC GP because it?

Surely you aren't denying the incestuous relationship between the GP in BC and our numerous environmental NGO's, and indeed this inclusive to the Liberal Party too?

Surely you aren't denying Briony's part in the whole West fiasco and Brad Zubyk's use of it publically, with a few twists thrown in to support it? Nor Briony's trying to beg for strategic voting, "enhanced" by the stepping down of West after time was up to replace him?

Surely you are not denying that environmentalists across the province are reeling from the fall out?

Surely you are not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running down to 3, or less?

Surely you are not claiming the GP didn't need to desperately do something to remain relevant?

Should this become bigger than what it is? Perhaps it should, but that remains to be seen, yet. However, the bashing of the NDP over this needs to stop, that I know.

Also, there are links running through this whole election campaign, go back and have a look over them and in the SGI, I made a huge long post with links in another thread a couple of weeks back about the strategic planning that went on, most likely it is just a google away if you have not been following, if you would like to look that is.

Here are some other links, old and new that add local dimensions to facts that are already for common public knowlege in BC and on VIsland. And if you are here in BC you know them as well as I do.

quote:

"Anyone who challenges the clique in-charge faces a vengeance..."

[url=http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/002313.html]http://www.publiceye...

[url=http://www.straight.com/article/carr-s-exit-from-greens-won-t-turn-party...

[url=http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Federal-Politics/2008/09/23/LiberalResea...

[url=http://victoriavision.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html]http://victor...

[url=http://martlet.ca/view/issue/1703]http://martlet.ca/view/issue/1703[/url]

[url=http://communities.canada.com/shareit/blogs/thetrough/archive/2008/09/25... By Nothing, I Meant Everything [/url]

[url=http://bciconcoclast.blogspot.com/2008_09_14_archive.html]http://bciconc...

quote:

Were there secret backroom talks between the Julian West camp and his former Green Party and/or Briony Penn? stranger things have happened in politics.

[url=http://petertolman.blogspot.com/]http://petertolman.blogspot.com/[/url]

quote:

Federal Green climate change critic and prominent environmentalist Guy Dauncey is one of six activists urging party members to vote "None of the Above" at their upcoming Saanich-Gulf Islands nomination meeting - scheduled for this coming Saturday. The reason: according to an open letter distributed by Dogwood Initiative executive director Will Horter, "The candidates already nominated to run against Lunn" - specifically Liberal Briony Penn and New Democrat Julian West - "have strong environmental credentials, are strong advocates for electoral reform, and are not likely to bow down to traditional party politics." And, if the Greens run a candidate in the upcoming election, votes for that individual "could cause the election of (Natural Resources Minister) Gary Lunn, a key player in Stephen Harper's anti-environmental government."

The letter goes onto to state, "The Green Party constitution doesn't specify what happens if 'None of the Above' wins on the nomination ballot. However, the Green Party executive, which has to certify all candidates, is unlikely to override the democratic choice of local members and force a candidate onto its (sic) the ballot." Andrew Lewis is the only candidate running for the nomination. The following is a complete copy of that letter.


[url=http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/002533.html]http://www.publiceye...

And then there are the other Public Eye links in the former thread.

[url=http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=934739a5-... Penn attacked[/url]

Other than naming names, and outting others which I won't do, nor will I start pulling out links associating some peoples, named before, to Ms Penn, this will have to do for the moment, and frankly it should more than suffice to indicate all was not as it seemed, and then some.

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

remind remind's picture

quote:


Originally posted by surfdoc:
[b]...this conspiracy theory of yours?[/b]

Oh now that is funny, considering all things that have just played out in the public eye, and all the ones that have been linked to here, eh?

Surely you aren't denying that the BC GP has been trying to destroy the NDP in BC for 20+ years and that Stuart Parker resigned from the BC GP because it?

Surely you aren't denying the incestuous relationship between the GP in BC and our numerous environmental NGO's, and indeed this inclusive to the Liberal Party too?

Surely you aren't denying Briony's part in the whole West fiasco and Brad Zubyk's use of it publically, with a few twists thrown in to support it? Nor Briony's trying to beg for strategic voting, "enhanced" by the stepping down of West after time was up to replace him?

Surely you are not denying that environmentalists across the province are reeling from the fall out?

Surely you are not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running down to 3, or less?

Surely you are not claiming the GP didn't need to desperately do something to remain relevant?

Should this become bigger than what it is? Perhaps it should, but that remains to be seen, yet. However, the bashing of the NDP over this needs to stop, that I know.

Also, there are links running through this whole election campaign, go back and have a look over them and in the SGI, I made a huge long post with links in another thread a couple of weeks back about the strategic planning that went on, most likely it is just a google away if you have not been following, if you would like to look that is.

Here are some other links, old and new that add local dimensions to facts that are already for common public knowlege in BC and on VIsland. And if you are here in BC you know them as well as I do.

quote:

"Anyone who challenges the clique in-charge faces a vengeance..."

[url=http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/002313.html]http://www.publiceye...

[url=http://www.straight.com/article/carr-s-exit-from-greens-won-t-turn-party...

[url=http://thetyee.ca/Blogs/TheHook/Federal-Politics/2008/09/23/LiberalResea...

[url=http://victoriavision.blogspot.com/2008_08_01_archive.html]http://victor...

[url=http://martlet.ca/view/issue/1703]http://martlet.ca/view/issue/1703[/url]

[url=http://communities.canada.com/shareit/blogs/thetrough/archive/2008/09/25... By Nothing, I Meant Everything [/url]

[url=http://bciconcoclast.blogspot.com/2008_09_14_archive.html]http://bciconc...

quote:

Were there secret backroom talks between the Julian West camp and his former Green Party and/or Briony Penn? stranger things have happened in politics.

[url=http://petertolman.blogspot.com/]http://petertolman.blogspot.com/[/url]

quote:

Federal Green climate change critic and prominent environmentalist Guy Dauncey is one of six activists urging party members to vote "None of the Above" at their upcoming Saanich-Gulf Islands nomination meeting - scheduled for this coming Saturday. The reason: according to an open letter distributed by Dogwood Initiative executive director Will Horter, "The candidates already nominated to run against Lunn" - specifically Liberal Briony Penn and New Democrat Julian West - "have strong environmental credentials, are strong advocates for electoral reform, and are not likely to bow down to traditional party politics." And, if the Greens run a candidate in the upcoming election, votes for that individual "could cause the election of (Natural Resources Minister) Gary Lunn, a key player in Stephen Harper's anti-environmental government."

The letter goes onto to state, "The Green Party constitution doesn't specify what happens if 'None of the Above' wins on the nomination ballot. However, the Green Party executive, which has to certify all candidates, is unlikely to override the democratic choice of local members and force a candidate onto its (sic) the ballot." Andrew Lewis is the only candidate running for the nomination. The following is a complete copy of that letter.


[url=http://www.publiceyeonline.com/archives/002533.html]http://www.publiceye...

And then there are the other Public Eye links in the former thread.

[url=http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=934739a5-... Penn attacked[/url]

Other than naming names, and outting others which I won't do, nor will I start pulling out links associating some peoples, named before, to Ms Penn, this will have to do for the moment, and frankly it should more than suffice to indicate all was not as it seemed, and then some.

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

[ 19 October 2008: Message edited by: remind ]

Brian White

Remind, how about this.
West should not have been nominated?
If West was leading lunn, lunn's campaign would have brought up the old stuff (on the last day if necessary). And who knows who made those fone calls?
It is like the boxer with the glass chin. He might have a great left hook but you cannot put him in the ring. Just like you cannot put a narcoleptic guy in the pilots seat on a plane, West should have been asked not to run. By his ndp advisors. They should be taking some of the blame. He is a very smart guy who should not have been put in the public eye.
He had a lot to offer politically but not as a figurehead.
How about owning up to the truth? Someone was going to bring west down, early or late depended on how the campaign was going. And I highly doubt that the greens would have left him go on a clear run if west and lewis were nose and nose to challenge Lunn.
After all he was a green when whatever occured.
He was doomed from the start. Like it or not,
the buck stops with those who nominated him.

Brian White

Remind, how about this.
West should not have been nominated?
If West was leading lunn, lunn's campaign would have brought up the old stuff (on the last day if necessary). And who knows who made those fone calls?
It is like the boxer with the glass chin. He might have a great left hook but you cannot put him in the ring. Just like you cannot put a narcoleptic guy in the pilots seat on a plane, West should have been asked not to run. By his ndp advisors. They should be taking some of the blame. He is a very smart guy who should not have been put in the public eye.
He had a lot to offer politically but not as a figurehead.
How about owning up to the truth? Someone was going to bring west down, early or late depended on how the campaign was going. And I highly doubt that the greens would have left him go on a clear run if west and lewis were nose and nose to challenge Lunn.
After all he was a green when whatever occured.
He was doomed from the start. Like it or not,
the buck stops with those who nominated him.

Brian White

Remind, how about this.
West should not have been nominated?
If West was leading lunn, lunn's campaign would have brought up the old stuff (on the last day if necessary). And who knows who made those fone calls?
It is like the boxer with the glass chin. He might have a great left hook but you cannot put him in the ring. Just like you cannot put a narcoleptic guy in the pilots seat on a plane, West should have been asked not to run. By his ndp advisors. They should be taking some of the blame. He is a very smart guy who should not have been put in the public eye.
He had a lot to offer politically but not as a figurehead.
How about owning up to the truth? Someone was going to bring west down, early or late depended on how the campaign was going. And I highly doubt that the greens would have left him go on a clear run if west and lewis were nose and nose to challenge Lunn.
After all he was a green when whatever occured.
He was doomed from the start. Like it or not,
the buck stops with those who nominated him.

Brian White

Remind, how about this.
West should not have been nominated?
If West was leading lunn, lunn's campaign would have brought up the old stuff (on the last day if necessary). And who knows who made those fone calls?
It is like the boxer with the glass chin. He might have a great left hook but you cannot put him in the ring. Just like you cannot put a narcoleptic guy in the pilots seat on a plane, West should have been asked not to run. By his ndp advisors. They should be taking some of the blame. He is a very smart guy who should not have been put in the public eye.
He had a lot to offer politically but not as a figurehead.
How about owning up to the truth? Someone was going to bring west down, early or late depended on how the campaign was going. And I highly doubt that the greens would have left him go on a clear run if west and lewis were nose and nose to challenge Lunn.
After all he was a green when whatever occured.
He was doomed from the start. Like it or not,
the buck stops with those who nominated him.

remind remind's picture

Oh brian...I know what the truth is, as I am sure you do, and it is nothing like what you are trying to suggest that went on, in an attempt to skew the optics. Anyhow, I am pretty much done with this thread, and topic now that the nonsense has been exposed.

remind remind's picture

Oh brian...I know what the truth is, as I am sure you do, and it is nothing like what you are trying to suggest that went on, in an attempt to skew the optics. Anyhow, I am pretty much done with this thread, and topic now that the nonsense has been exposed.

remind remind's picture

Oh brian...I know what the truth is, as I am sure you do, and it is nothing like what you are trying to suggest that went on, in an attempt to skew the optics. Anyhow, I am pretty much done with this thread, and topic now that the nonsense has been exposed.

remind remind's picture

Oh brian...I know what the truth is, as I am sure you do, and it is nothing like what you are trying to suggest that went on, in an attempt to skew the optics. Anyhow, I am pretty much done with this thread, and topic now that the nonsense has been exposed.

Brian White

If I was ndp and I knew West well, I would have said, "come on man, I am not going to throw you to the wolves, rethink it, everything in your past will be dug up". But you guys in the ndp didnt give a damn. It is a big bad world in politics and you know it. Quit playing the innocent. You might even have ruined his career by letting him run.
I havnt the time to check all your links. I hope your own personal truth gives you pleasure.
"he made the best coffee"
Conspiracy theory is my favorite movie but I am happy to keep fact and fiction separate.
I would have voted frontrunner to get rid of lunn.
If bitter infighting prevents others from doing so, I can only say dumb spiteful human nature is garys friend. The armys of the left tearing themselves apart. Will be really funny to see your reaction if layton, the liberals and the quebec party do a deal like they would in a normal democracy.

quote:

Originally posted by remind:
[b]Oh brian...I know what the truth is, as I am sure you do, and it is nothing like what you are trying to suggest that went on, in an attempt to skew the optics. Anyhow, I am pretty much done with this thread, and topic now that the nonsense has been exposed.[/b]

Brian White

If I was ndp and I knew West well, I would have said, "come on man, I am not going to throw you to the wolves, rethink it, everything in your past will be dug up". But you guys in the ndp didnt give a damn. It is a big bad world in politics and you know it. Quit playing the innocent. You might even have ruined his career by letting him run.
I havnt the time to check all your links. I hope your own personal truth gives you pleasure.
"he made the best coffee"
Conspiracy theory is my favorite movie but I am happy to keep fact and fiction separate.
I would have voted frontrunner to get rid of lunn.
If bitter infighting prevents others from doing so, I can only say dumb spiteful human nature is garys friend. The armys of the left tearing themselves apart. Will be really funny to see your reaction if layton, the liberals and the quebec party do a deal like they would in a normal democracy.

quote:

Originally posted by remind:
[b]Oh brian...I know what the truth is, as I am sure you do, and it is nothing like what you are trying to suggest that went on, in an attempt to skew the optics. Anyhow, I am pretty much done with this thread, and topic now that the nonsense has been exposed.[/b]

Brian White

If I was ndp and I knew West well, I would have said, "come on man, I am not going to throw you to the wolves, rethink it, everything in your past will be dug up". But you guys in the ndp didnt give a damn. It is a big bad world in politics and you know it. Quit playing the innocent. You might even have ruined his career by letting him run.
I havnt the time to check all your links. I hope your own personal truth gives you pleasure.
"he made the best coffee"
Conspiracy theory is my favorite movie but I am happy to keep fact and fiction separate.
I would have voted frontrunner to get rid of lunn.
If bitter infighting prevents others from doing so, I can only say dumb spiteful human nature is garys friend. The armys of the left tearing themselves apart. Will be really funny to see your reaction if layton, the liberals and the quebec party do a deal like they would in a normal democracy.

quote:

Originally posted by remind:
[b]Oh brian...I know what the truth is, as I am sure you do, and it is nothing like what you are trying to suggest that went on, in an attempt to skew the optics. Anyhow, I am pretty much done with this thread, and topic now that the nonsense has been exposed.[/b]

Brian White

If I was ndp and I knew West well, I would have said, "come on man, I am not going to throw you to the wolves, rethink it, everything in your past will be dug up". But you guys in the ndp didnt give a damn. It is a big bad world in politics and you know it. Quit playing the innocent. You might even have ruined his career by letting him run.
I havnt the time to check all your links. I hope your own personal truth gives you pleasure.
"he made the best coffee"
Conspiracy theory is my favorite movie but I am happy to keep fact and fiction separate.
I would have voted frontrunner to get rid of lunn.
If bitter infighting prevents others from doing so, I can only say dumb spiteful human nature is garys friend. The armys of the left tearing themselves apart. Will be really funny to see your reaction if layton, the liberals and the quebec party do a deal like they would in a normal democracy.

quote:

Originally posted by remind:
[b]Oh brian...I know what the truth is, as I am sure you do, and it is nothing like what you are trying to suggest that went on, in an attempt to skew the optics. Anyhow, I am pretty much done with this thread, and topic now that the nonsense has been exposed.[/b]

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]I appoligise for suggesting that people were moral cowards. Mal uses "liberal" as a constant slurr much as a us republican talks about the "liberal media" or the n word.
The funny thing is that I wrote the most caustic letter I ever wrote to the local paper about paul martin and yet I am still branded a liberal.
Brian[/b]

I have never used "liberal" as a slur.

I have used "Liberal" (note the capitalization) to refer to those who demand that New Democrats abandon our principles and vote for a right wing party. Given my opinion of that party, one might call that a slur. I think of it more as an accurate descriptor.

Do you think it makes you look smart that you can't spell Malcolm?

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]I appoligise for suggesting that people were moral cowards. Mal uses "liberal" as a constant slurr much as a us republican talks about the "liberal media" or the n word.
The funny thing is that I wrote the most caustic letter I ever wrote to the local paper about paul martin and yet I am still branded a liberal.
Brian[/b]

I have never used "liberal" as a slur.

I have used "Liberal" (note the capitalization) to refer to those who demand that New Democrats abandon our principles and vote for a right wing party. Given my opinion of that party, one might call that a slur. I think of it more as an accurate descriptor.

Do you think it makes you look smart that you can't spell Malcolm?

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]I appoligise for suggesting that people were moral cowards. Mal uses "liberal" as a constant slurr much as a us republican talks about the "liberal media" or the n word.
The funny thing is that I wrote the most caustic letter I ever wrote to the local paper about paul martin and yet I am still branded a liberal.
Brian[/b]

I have never used "liberal" as a slur.

I have used "Liberal" (note the capitalization) to refer to those who demand that New Democrats abandon our principles and vote for a right wing party. Given my opinion of that party, one might call that a slur. I think of it more as an accurate descriptor.

Do you think it makes you look smart that you can't spell Malcolm?

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]I appoligise for suggesting that people were moral cowards. Mal uses "liberal" as a constant slurr much as a us republican talks about the "liberal media" or the n word.
The funny thing is that I wrote the most caustic letter I ever wrote to the local paper about paul martin and yet I am still branded a liberal.
Brian[/b]

I have never used "liberal" as a slur.

I have used "Liberal" (note the capitalization) to refer to those who demand that New Democrats abandon our principles and vote for a right wing party. Given my opinion of that party, one might call that a slur. I think of it more as an accurate descriptor.

Do you think it makes you look smart that you can't spell Malcolm?

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

What is it you find so hard to understand, Brian?

Every party has the right to run candidates in every riding, regardless of some individuals' delusional schemes about "strategic" voting.

Every voter has the right to support whatever party they choose, regardless of some offensive Liberal sense of entitlement.

These are pretty fundamental principles in a democracy. The fact that you are so adamantly opposed to both is a cause for some concern.

Brian, I don't vote for right wing parties, and you can't make me.

Canada is still a democracy, whether you like it or not.

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

What is it you find so hard to understand, Brian?

Every party has the right to run candidates in every riding, regardless of some individuals' delusional schemes about "strategic" voting.

Every voter has the right to support whatever party they choose, regardless of some offensive Liberal sense of entitlement.

These are pretty fundamental principles in a democracy. The fact that you are so adamantly opposed to both is a cause for some concern.

Brian, I don't vote for right wing parties, and you can't make me.

Canada is still a democracy, whether you like it or not.

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