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Malcolm Malcolm's picture

What is it you find so hard to understand, Brian?

Every party has the right to run candidates in every riding, regardless of some individuals' delusional schemes about "strategic" voting.

Every voter has the right to support whatever party they choose, regardless of some offensive Liberal sense of entitlement.

These are pretty fundamental principles in a democracy. The fact that you are so adamantly opposed to both is a cause for some concern.

Brian, I don't vote for right wing parties, and you can't make me.

Canada is still a democracy, whether you like it or not.

Malcolm Malcolm's picture

What is it you find so hard to understand, Brian?

Every party has the right to run candidates in every riding, regardless of some individuals' delusional schemes about "strategic" voting.

Every voter has the right to support whatever party they choose, regardless of some offensive Liberal sense of entitlement.

These are pretty fundamental principles in a democracy. The fact that you are so adamantly opposed to both is a cause for some concern.

Brian, I don't vote for right wing parties, and you can't make me.

Canada is still a democracy, whether you like it or not.

surfdoc surfdoc's picture

I haven't had the time to read all those links, but the links that you have posted previously have been old and only tangentially related to the topic at hand.

quote:

Surely you aren't denying Briony's part in the whole West fiasco and Brad Zubyk's use of it publically, with a few twists thrown in to support it? Nor Briony's trying to beg for strategic voting, "enhanced" by the stepping down of West after time was up to replace him?

Surely you are not denying that environmentalists across the province are reeling from the fall out?

Surely you are not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running down to 3, or less?


I'm not denying anything other than that you have implied a lot, without offering any facts to support the allegations. Again, I haven't yet had time to read through the massive list of links you just gave, but I have my doubts they will shine light on the matter.

I have seen nothing that shows any involvement on the part of Brionny Penn in the "West fisaco", and a public statement from her stating that she was NOT involved. Calls for strategic voting in SGI started before West withdrew, and I don't see them as proof of anything other than that our electoral system needs reform.

I'm not denying that environmentalists across the province are "reeling from the fallout", yet I haven't seen any evidence that they are. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I'm not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running, but again, I haven't seen any evidence that they WERE desperate, nor any evidence that environmentalists attempted to narrow the candidates running.

More later, after I've had time to browse the forest of links.

surfdoc surfdoc's picture

I haven't had the time to read all those links, but the links that you have posted previously have been old and only tangentially related to the topic at hand.

quote:

Surely you aren't denying Briony's part in the whole West fiasco and Brad Zubyk's use of it publically, with a few twists thrown in to support it? Nor Briony's trying to beg for strategic voting, "enhanced" by the stepping down of West after time was up to replace him?

Surely you are not denying that environmentalists across the province are reeling from the fall out?

Surely you are not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running down to 3, or less?


I'm not denying anything other than that you have implied a lot, without offering any facts to support the allegations. Again, I haven't yet had time to read through the massive list of links you just gave, but I have my doubts they will shine light on the matter.

I have seen nothing that shows any involvement on the part of Brionny Penn in the "West fisaco", and a public statement from her stating that she was NOT involved. Calls for strategic voting in SGI started before West withdrew, and I don't see them as proof of anything other than that our electoral system needs reform.

I'm not denying that environmentalists across the province are "reeling from the fallout", yet I haven't seen any evidence that they are. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I'm not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running, but again, I haven't seen any evidence that they WERE desperate, nor any evidence that environmentalists attempted to narrow the candidates running.

More later, after I've had time to browse the forest of links.

surfdoc surfdoc's picture

I haven't had the time to read all those links, but the links that you have posted previously have been old and only tangentially related to the topic at hand.

quote:

Surely you aren't denying Briony's part in the whole West fiasco and Brad Zubyk's use of it publically, with a few twists thrown in to support it? Nor Briony's trying to beg for strategic voting, "enhanced" by the stepping down of West after time was up to replace him?

Surely you are not denying that environmentalists across the province are reeling from the fall out?

Surely you are not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running down to 3, or less?


I'm not denying anything other than that you have implied a lot, without offering any facts to support the allegations. Again, I haven't yet had time to read through the massive list of links you just gave, but I have my doubts they will shine light on the matter.

I have seen nothing that shows any involvement on the part of Brionny Penn in the "West fisaco", and a public statement from her stating that she was NOT involved. Calls for strategic voting in SGI started before West withdrew, and I don't see them as proof of anything other than that our electoral system needs reform.

I'm not denying that environmentalists across the province are "reeling from the fallout", yet I haven't seen any evidence that they are. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I'm not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running, but again, I haven't seen any evidence that they WERE desperate, nor any evidence that environmentalists attempted to narrow the candidates running.

More later, after I've had time to browse the forest of links.

surfdoc surfdoc's picture

I haven't had the time to read all those links, but the links that you have posted previously have been old and only tangentially related to the topic at hand.

quote:

Surely you aren't denying Briony's part in the whole West fiasco and Brad Zubyk's use of it publically, with a few twists thrown in to support it? Nor Briony's trying to beg for strategic voting, "enhanced" by the stepping down of West after time was up to replace him?

Surely you are not denying that environmentalists across the province are reeling from the fall out?

Surely you are not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running down to 3, or less?


I'm not denying anything other than that you have implied a lot, without offering any facts to support the allegations. Again, I haven't yet had time to read through the massive list of links you just gave, but I have my doubts they will shine light on the matter.

I have seen nothing that shows any involvement on the part of Brionny Penn in the "West fisaco", and a public statement from her stating that she was NOT involved. Calls for strategic voting in SGI started before West withdrew, and I don't see them as proof of anything other than that our electoral system needs reform.

I'm not denying that environmentalists across the province are "reeling from the fallout", yet I haven't seen any evidence that they are. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I'm not denying the VIsland environmentalists were desperate to narrow the candidates running, but again, I haven't seen any evidence that they WERE desperate, nor any evidence that environmentalists attempted to narrow the candidates running.

More later, after I've had time to browse the forest of links.

Cueball Cueball's picture

quote:


Originally posted by surfdoc:
[b]
I'm not denying that environmentalists across the province are "reeling from the fallout", yet I haven't seen any evidence that they are. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.[/b]

True enough. Its just libel. That's all.

Cueball Cueball's picture

quote:


Originally posted by surfdoc:
[b]
I'm not denying that environmentalists across the province are "reeling from the fallout", yet I haven't seen any evidence that they are. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.[/b]

True enough. Its just libel. That's all.

Cueball Cueball's picture

quote:


Originally posted by surfdoc:
[b]
I'm not denying that environmentalists across the province are "reeling from the fallout", yet I haven't seen any evidence that they are. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.[/b]

True enough. Its just libel. That's all.

Cueball Cueball's picture

quote:


Originally posted by surfdoc:
[b]
I'm not denying that environmentalists across the province are "reeling from the fallout", yet I haven't seen any evidence that they are. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.[/b]

True enough. Its just libel. That's all.

Cueball Cueball's picture

That's not a comment on anything being said here. But a comment on that horrible Rumsfeld aphorism.

But speaking of libel. What is the allegation being made here? Mostly this thread is filled with unsubstantiated assertions, knowing winks, allussions and rhetoric.

ETA: Ahh. Now I get it. Someone in West's campaign used a marketing firm to produce an autodialing marketing telephone pitch, and someone forgot to cancel the pre-programed call during all the confusion during the West scandal. Probably just locked the doors to the office, turned off the lights and left everything running. Why not?

And then the GP spiked the Liberal Party nomination punch with their own candidate so that they could win as a Liberal, and then switch parties after the election.

[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]

Cueball Cueball's picture

That's not a comment on anything being said here. But a comment on that horrible Rumsfeld aphorism.

But speaking of libel. What is the allegation being made here? Mostly this thread is filled with unsubstantiated assertions, knowing winks, allussions and rhetoric.

ETA: Ahh. Now I get it. Someone in West's campaign used a marketing firm to produce an autodialing marketing telephone pitch, and someone forgot to cancel the pre-programed call during all the confusion during the West scandal. Probably just locked the doors to the office, turned off the lights and left everything running. Why not?

And then the GP spiked the Liberal Party nomination punch with their own candidate so that they could win as a Liberal, and then switch parties after the election.

[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]

Cueball Cueball's picture

That's not a comment on anything being said here. But a comment on that horrible Rumsfeld aphorism.

But speaking of libel. What is the allegation being made here? Mostly this thread is filled with unsubstantiated assertions, knowing winks, allussions and rhetoric.

ETA: Ahh. Now I get it. Someone in West's campaign used a marketing firm to produce an autodialing marketing telephone pitch, and someone forgot to cancel the pre-programed call during all the confusion during the West scandal. Probably just locked the doors to the office, turned off the lights and left everything running. Why not?

And then the GP spiked the Liberal Party nomination punch with their own candidate so that they could win as a Liberal, and then switch parties after the election.

[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]

Cueball Cueball's picture

That's not a comment on anything being said here. But a comment on that horrible Rumsfeld aphorism.

But speaking of libel. What is the allegation being made here? Mostly this thread is filled with unsubstantiated assertions, knowing winks, allussions and rhetoric.

ETA: Ahh. Now I get it. Someone in West's campaign used a marketing firm to produce an autodialing marketing telephone pitch, and someone forgot to cancel the pre-programed call during all the confusion during the West scandal. Probably just locked the doors to the office, turned off the lights and left everything running. Why not?

And then the GP spiked the Liberal Party nomination punch with their own candidate so that they could win as a Liberal, and then switch parties after the election.

[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: Cueball ]

Brian White

quote:


Originally posted by Malcolm:
[b]

Canada is still a democracy, whether you like it or not.[/b]


Are you sure?
Have you heard of the 60% supermajority threshold?
40 votes for one answer equal 60 votes for the other answer in a referendum! Do the math.
No Buddy, again you are mistaken.
It is not quite a democracy here.
There is a difference between counting votes and votes counting.
It is way to obvious and way to subtle for you to see.

Brian White

quote:


Originally posted by Malcolm:
[b]

Canada is still a democracy, whether you like it or not.[/b]


Are you sure?
Have you heard of the 60% supermajority threshold?
40 votes for one answer equal 60 votes for the other answer in a referendum! Do the math.
No Buddy, again you are mistaken.
It is not quite a democracy here.
There is a difference between counting votes and votes counting.
It is way to obvious and way to subtle for you to see.

Brian White

quote:


Originally posted by Malcolm:
[b]

Canada is still a democracy, whether you like it or not.[/b]


Are you sure?
Have you heard of the 60% supermajority threshold?
40 votes for one answer equal 60 votes for the other answer in a referendum! Do the math.
No Buddy, again you are mistaken.
It is not quite a democracy here.
There is a difference between counting votes and votes counting.
It is way to obvious and way to subtle for you to see.

Brian White

quote:


Originally posted by Malcolm:
[b]

Canada is still a democracy, whether you like it or not.[/b]


Are you sure?
Have you heard of the 60% supermajority threshold?
40 votes for one answer equal 60 votes for the other answer in a referendum! Do the math.
No Buddy, again you are mistaken.
It is not quite a democracy here.
There is a difference between counting votes and votes counting.
It is way to obvious and way to subtle for you to see.

janfromthebruce

I thought this article in Torstar today to the Greens. [url=http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/520294]why not recruit May for the Liberals[/url].

quote:

By all indications, May has exhausted her purpose as Green leader. Securing an election debate spot for the party will remain her top contribution to its future. As of now, her presence at the helm stands to be more divisive than productive.

I loved this line as it could be read so many ways and with so much hidden meaning: [i]May has exhausted her purpose as Green leader.[/i] Although Hebert alludes to her getting the Greens into the debate, she also knows that it is no guarantee in future federal debates, as the Greens again did not secure a "seat in the House." Beyond that, their has been "noise in the MSM" that some of them were not impressed with May pitch-hitting for the liberals, and thus 2 for 1 will not be allowed in the future.
But I read Hebert's "devilish" comment with the double meaning that she was "playing" with her readers: promoting a Liberal victory at the Green Party candidates' expense.
Yap, her job is done and now it's time to join the red team, and Hebert hopes she folds the greens into the red tent. My comment is posted on the LiberalStar page:

Eating Greens to grow Red tent

Hebert's answer to liberal's shrinking popularity is to "eat" the Greens rather than fix what is wrong inside the red tent. Power for power's sake, now that's Pyrrhic victory of sorts.

janfromthebruce

I thought this article in Torstar today to the Greens. [url=http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/520294]why not recruit May for the Liberals[/url].

quote:

By all indications, May has exhausted her purpose as Green leader. Securing an election debate spot for the party will remain her top contribution to its future. As of now, her presence at the helm stands to be more divisive than productive.

I loved this line as it could be read so many ways and with so much hidden meaning: [i]May has exhausted her purpose as Green leader.[/i] Although Hebert alludes to her getting the Greens into the debate, she also knows that it is no guarantee in future federal debates, as the Greens again did not secure a "seat in the House." Beyond that, their has been "noise in the MSM" that some of them were not impressed with May pitch-hitting for the liberals, and thus 2 for 1 will not be allowed in the future.
But I read Hebert's "devilish" comment with the double meaning that she was "playing" with her readers: promoting a Liberal victory at the Green Party candidates' expense.
Yap, her job is done and now it's time to join the red team, and Hebert hopes she folds the greens into the red tent. My comment is posted on the LiberalStar page:

Eating Greens to grow Red tent

Hebert's answer to liberal's shrinking popularity is to "eat" the Greens rather than fix what is wrong inside the red tent. Power for power's sake, now that's Pyrrhic victory of sorts.

janfromthebruce

I thought this article in Torstar today to the Greens. [url=http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/520294]why not recruit May for the Liberals[/url].

quote:

By all indications, May has exhausted her purpose as Green leader. Securing an election debate spot for the party will remain her top contribution to its future. As of now, her presence at the helm stands to be more divisive than productive.

I loved this line as it could be read so many ways and with so much hidden meaning: [i]May has exhausted her purpose as Green leader.[/i] Although Hebert alludes to her getting the Greens into the debate, she also knows that it is no guarantee in future federal debates, as the Greens again did not secure a "seat in the House." Beyond that, their has been "noise in the MSM" that some of them were not impressed with May pitch-hitting for the liberals, and thus 2 for 1 will not be allowed in the future.
But I read Hebert's "devilish" comment with the double meaning that she was "playing" with her readers: promoting a Liberal victory at the Green Party candidates' expense.
Yap, her job is done and now it's time to join the red team, and Hebert hopes she folds the greens into the red tent. My comment is posted on the LiberalStar page:

Eating Greens to grow Red tent

Hebert's answer to liberal's shrinking popularity is to "eat" the Greens rather than fix what is wrong inside the red tent. Power for power's sake, now that's Pyrrhic victory of sorts.

janfromthebruce

I thought this article in Torstar today to the Greens. [url=http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/520294]why not recruit May for the Liberals[/url].

quote:

By all indications, May has exhausted her purpose as Green leader. Securing an election debate spot for the party will remain her top contribution to its future. As of now, her presence at the helm stands to be more divisive than productive.

I loved this line as it could be read so many ways and with so much hidden meaning: [i]May has exhausted her purpose as Green leader.[/i] Although Hebert alludes to her getting the Greens into the debate, she also knows that it is no guarantee in future federal debates, as the Greens again did not secure a "seat in the House." Beyond that, their has been "noise in the MSM" that some of them were not impressed with May pitch-hitting for the liberals, and thus 2 for 1 will not be allowed in the future.
But I read Hebert's "devilish" comment with the double meaning that she was "playing" with her readers: promoting a Liberal victory at the Green Party candidates' expense.
Yap, her job is done and now it's time to join the red team, and Hebert hopes she folds the greens into the red tent. My comment is posted on the LiberalStar page:

Eating Greens to grow Red tent

Hebert's answer to liberal's shrinking popularity is to "eat" the Greens rather than fix what is wrong inside the red tent. Power for power's sake, now that's Pyrrhic victory of sorts.

Brian White

So west got recruited from the greens by the ndp, and everyone wanted to recruit penn, she went liberal to be in government and lewis was left on the destroyer.
What an earth are you talking about and what has it to do with this thread?
Absolutely nothing? or not quite?
Post it elsewhere in one of those "lets pick on may to show that she and not us are vote splitters" threads. The left in canada is politically retarded and abusive to politically retarded people.
The left won the election overall but are too dumb witted to co-operate.
fucwits from top to bottom.

quote:

Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
[b]I thought this article in Torstar today to the Greens. [url=http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/520294]why not recruit May for the Liberals[/url].

.[/b]


Brian White

So west got recruited from the greens by the ndp, and everyone wanted to recruit penn, she went liberal to be in government and lewis was left on the destroyer.
What an earth are you talking about and what has it to do with this thread?
Absolutely nothing? or not quite?
Post it elsewhere in one of those "lets pick on may to show that she and not us are vote splitters" threads. The left in canada is politically retarded and abusive to politically retarded people.
The left won the election overall but are too dumb witted to co-operate.
fucwits from top to bottom.

quote:

Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
[b]I thought this article in Torstar today to the Greens. [url=http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/520294]why not recruit May for the Liberals[/url].

.[/b]


Brian White

So west got recruited from the greens by the ndp, and everyone wanted to recruit penn, she went liberal to be in government and lewis was left on the destroyer.
What an earth are you talking about and what has it to do with this thread?
Absolutely nothing? or not quite?
Post it elsewhere in one of those "lets pick on may to show that she and not us are vote splitters" threads. The left in canada is politically retarded and abusive to politically retarded people.
The left won the election overall but are too dumb witted to co-operate.
fucwits from top to bottom.

quote:

Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
[b]I thought this article in Torstar today to the Greens. [url=http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/520294]why not recruit May for the Liberals[/url].

.[/b]


Brian White

So west got recruited from the greens by the ndp, and everyone wanted to recruit penn, she went liberal to be in government and lewis was left on the destroyer.
What an earth are you talking about and what has it to do with this thread?
Absolutely nothing? or not quite?
Post it elsewhere in one of those "lets pick on may to show that she and not us are vote splitters" threads. The left in canada is politically retarded and abusive to politically retarded people.
The left won the election overall but are too dumb witted to co-operate.
fucwits from top to bottom.

quote:

Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
[b]I thought this article in Torstar today to the Greens. [url=http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/520294]why not recruit May for the Liberals[/url].

.[/b]


janfromthebruce

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]So west got recruited from the greens by the ndp, and everyone wanted to recruit penn, she went liberal to be in government and lewis was left on the destroyer.
What an earth are you talking about and what has it to do with this thread?
Absolutely nothing? or not quite?
Post it elsewhere in one of those "lets pick on may to show that she and not us are vote splitters" threads. The left in canada is politically retarded and abusive to politically retarded people.
The left won the election overall but are too dumb witted to co-operate.
fucwits from top to bottom.
[/b]

I believe you have been warned before about being verbally abusive. This is a progressive online forum.

janfromthebruce

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]So west got recruited from the greens by the ndp, and everyone wanted to recruit penn, she went liberal to be in government and lewis was left on the destroyer.
What an earth are you talking about and what has it to do with this thread?
Absolutely nothing? or not quite?
Post it elsewhere in one of those "lets pick on may to show that she and not us are vote splitters" threads. The left in canada is politically retarded and abusive to politically retarded people.
The left won the election overall but are too dumb witted to co-operate.
fucwits from top to bottom.
[/b]

I believe you have been warned before about being verbally abusive. This is a progressive online forum.

janfromthebruce

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]So west got recruited from the greens by the ndp, and everyone wanted to recruit penn, she went liberal to be in government and lewis was left on the destroyer.
What an earth are you talking about and what has it to do with this thread?
Absolutely nothing? or not quite?
Post it elsewhere in one of those "lets pick on may to show that she and not us are vote splitters" threads. The left in canada is politically retarded and abusive to politically retarded people.
The left won the election overall but are too dumb witted to co-operate.
fucwits from top to bottom.
[/b]

I believe you have been warned before about being verbally abusive. This is a progressive online forum.

janfromthebruce

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]So west got recruited from the greens by the ndp, and everyone wanted to recruit penn, she went liberal to be in government and lewis was left on the destroyer.
What an earth are you talking about and what has it to do with this thread?
Absolutely nothing? or not quite?
Post it elsewhere in one of those "lets pick on may to show that she and not us are vote splitters" threads. The left in canada is politically retarded and abusive to politically retarded people.
The left won the election overall but are too dumb witted to co-operate.
fucwits from top to bottom.
[/b]

I believe you have been warned before about being verbally abusive. This is a progressive online forum.

janfromthebruce

One lib blogger took exception to Hebert's mischief and said this:

quote:

While it may seem like a keen idea at first blush, it’s actually quite ill-conceived. First of all, bailing from the Greens as they bicker internally over various strategic mistakes made in the recent campaign certainly wouldn’t do much to enhance her personal profile. Quite to the contrary, it would make her seem, not only like a quitter, but a feckless opportunist (which some might say qualifies her admirably for the Liberal Party, but never mind that).

[url=http://redtory.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/hebert%E2%80%99s-mischievous-bad... And I Agree with that assessment.

janfromthebruce

One lib blogger took exception to Hebert's mischief and said this:

quote:

While it may seem like a keen idea at first blush, it’s actually quite ill-conceived. First of all, bailing from the Greens as they bicker internally over various strategic mistakes made in the recent campaign certainly wouldn’t do much to enhance her personal profile. Quite to the contrary, it would make her seem, not only like a quitter, but a feckless opportunist (which some might say qualifies her admirably for the Liberal Party, but never mind that).

[url=http://redtory.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/hebert%E2%80%99s-mischievous-bad... And I Agree with that assessment.

janfromthebruce

One lib blogger took exception to Hebert's mischief and said this:

quote:

While it may seem like a keen idea at first blush, it’s actually quite ill-conceived. First of all, bailing from the Greens as they bicker internally over various strategic mistakes made in the recent campaign certainly wouldn’t do much to enhance her personal profile. Quite to the contrary, it would make her seem, not only like a quitter, but a feckless opportunist (which some might say qualifies her admirably for the Liberal Party, but never mind that).

[url=http://redtory.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/hebert%E2%80%99s-mischievous-bad... And I Agree with that assessment.

janfromthebruce

One lib blogger took exception to Hebert's mischief and said this:

quote:

While it may seem like a keen idea at first blush, it’s actually quite ill-conceived. First of all, bailing from the Greens as they bicker internally over various strategic mistakes made in the recent campaign certainly wouldn’t do much to enhance her personal profile. Quite to the contrary, it would make her seem, not only like a quitter, but a feckless opportunist (which some might say qualifies her admirably for the Liberal Party, but never mind that).

[url=http://redtory.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/hebert%E2%80%99s-mischievous-bad... And I Agree with that assessment.

Brian White

You did not respond to the question or to the thread title.
You have been warned for derailing threads.
Your verbage has nothing to do with saanich gulf islands. It belongs elsewhere or nowhere.
I hope Michelle notices that your contribution is not relevent to this thread.
I have tempered my wording since the warning.

quote:

Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
[b]
I believe you have been warned before about being verbally abusive. This is a progressive online forum.[/b]

Brian White

You did not respond to the question or to the thread title.
You have been warned for derailing threads.
Your verbage has nothing to do with saanich gulf islands. It belongs elsewhere or nowhere.
I hope Michelle notices that your contribution is not relevent to this thread.
I have tempered my wording since the warning.

quote:

Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
[b]
I believe you have been warned before about being verbally abusive. This is a progressive online forum.[/b]

Brian White

You did not respond to the question or to the thread title.
You have been warned for derailing threads.
Your verbage has nothing to do with saanich gulf islands. It belongs elsewhere or nowhere.
I hope Michelle notices that your contribution is not relevent to this thread.
I have tempered my wording since the warning.

quote:

Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
[b]
I believe you have been warned before about being verbally abusive. This is a progressive online forum.[/b]

Brian White

You did not respond to the question or to the thread title.
You have been warned for derailing threads.
Your verbage has nothing to do with saanich gulf islands. It belongs elsewhere or nowhere.
I hope Michelle notices that your contribution is not relevent to this thread.
I have tempered my wording since the warning.

quote:

Originally posted by janfromthebruce:
[b]
I believe you have been warned before about being verbally abusive. This is a progressive online forum.[/b]

janfromthebruce

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]You did not respond to the question or to the thread title.
You have been warned for derailing threads.
Your verbage has nothing to do with saanich gulf islands. It belongs elsewhere or nowhere.
I hope Michelle notices that your contribution is not relevent to this thread.
I have tempered my wording since the warning.

[/b]


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janfromthebruce

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]You did not respond to the question or to the thread title.
You have been warned for derailing threads.
Your verbage has nothing to do with saanich gulf islands. It belongs elsewhere or nowhere.
I hope Michelle notices that your contribution is not relevent to this thread.
I have tempered my wording since the warning.

[/b]


[img]redface.gif" border="0[/img]

janfromthebruce

quote:


Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]You did not respond to the question or to the thread title.
You have been warned for derailing threads.
Your verbage has nothing to do with saanich gulf islands. It belongs elsewhere or nowhere.
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janfromthebruce

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Originally posted by Brian White:
[b]You did not respond to the question or to the thread title.
You have been warned for derailing threads.
Your verbage has nothing to do with saanich gulf islands. It belongs elsewhere or nowhere.
I hope Michelle notices that your contribution is not relevent to this thread.
I have tempered my wording since the warning.

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madmax

I was wondering why the people involved in the Julian West Scandal were more interested in protecting the Green Party when the scandal blew up 12 years ago. It seems alot was swept under the carpet.

It seems whenever something of a distasteful or offensive or sexually abusive situation happens the first thing people seem to do is protect the offenders and the organizations.

Clearly 12 years later, the NDP is holding the bag on a controversial Candidate that had a known record in this circle regarding his activities. It seems to me that West had tried other times to become an NDP candidate but these events didn't come to surface.

Obviously, engaging in these activities, is offensive, especially when the age of the children are considered.

Where were the adults and the leaders and those who needed to take responsibility when this happened???

quote:

I remember looking over and seeing him standing there nude with an erection. It was very disturbing. The girls I was sitting with were crying," she said. Jessica told the News Review that she also witnessed the skinny dipping incident, but did not want to comment on it.

"We were all very upset [at the time],[b] our parents knew, the school was involved [/b], they offered us counselling. Honestly, we were so upset and embarrassed that we didn't want to go public. [b] We didn't want to draw attention to the Green Party, our environmental group or the children's camp we were at either [/b]."


Why? I understand about not going public. But clearly the effects were strong enough that it was important enough for those affected to go public 12 years later.

And then, did West disclose this information when seeking the NDP nomination on numerous occasions?

Was there a formal record of events to for the party to check out? Such as a police report, newspaper article etc.

Regardless .....

[b]At no time should people put the Green Party, an Environmental Group or a Childrens camps reputation above the need to protect children from offensive behaviour. Clearly the situation was badly handle by these groups 12 years ago [/b].

Obviously this wasn't about a group of teenagers having a sense of freedom among themselves.

[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: madmax ]

madmax

I was wondering why the people involved in the Julian West Scandal were more interested in protecting the Green Party when the scandal blew up 12 years ago. It seems alot was swept under the carpet.

It seems whenever something of a distasteful or offensive or sexually abusive situation happens the first thing people seem to do is protect the offenders and the organizations.

Clearly 12 years later, the NDP is holding the bag on a controversial Candidate that had a known record in this circle regarding his activities. It seems to me that West had tried other times to become an NDP candidate but these events didn't come to surface.

Obviously, engaging in these activities, is offensive, especially when the age of the children are considered.

Where were the adults and the leaders and those who needed to take responsibility when this happened???

quote:

I remember looking over and seeing him standing there nude with an erection. It was very disturbing. The girls I was sitting with were crying," she said. Jessica told the News Review that she also witnessed the skinny dipping incident, but did not want to comment on it.

"We were all very upset [at the time],[b] our parents knew, the school was involved [/b], they offered us counselling. Honestly, we were so upset and embarrassed that we didn't want to go public. [b] We didn't want to draw attention to the Green Party, our environmental group or the children's camp we were at either [/b]."


Why? I understand about not going public. But clearly the effects were strong enough that it was important enough for those affected to go public 12 years later.

And then, did West disclose this information when seeking the NDP nomination on numerous occasions?

Was there a formal record of events to for the party to check out? Such as a police report, newspaper article etc.

Regardless .....

[b]At no time should people put the Green Party, an Environmental Group or a Childrens camps reputation above the need to protect children from offensive behaviour. Clearly the situation was badly handle by these groups 12 years ago [/b].

Obviously this wasn't about a group of teenagers having a sense of freedom among themselves.

[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: madmax ]

madmax

I was wondering why the people involved in the Julian West Scandal were more interested in protecting the Green Party when the scandal blew up 12 years ago. It seems alot was swept under the carpet.

It seems whenever something of a distasteful or offensive or sexually abusive situation happens the first thing people seem to do is protect the offenders and the organizations.

Clearly 12 years later, the NDP is holding the bag on a controversial Candidate that had a known record in this circle regarding his activities. It seems to me that West had tried other times to become an NDP candidate but these events didn't come to surface.

Obviously, engaging in these activities, is offensive, especially when the age of the children are considered.

Where were the adults and the leaders and those who needed to take responsibility when this happened???

quote:

I remember looking over and seeing him standing there nude with an erection. It was very disturbing. The girls I was sitting with were crying," she said. Jessica told the News Review that she also witnessed the skinny dipping incident, but did not want to comment on it.

"We were all very upset [at the time],[b] our parents knew, the school was involved [/b], they offered us counselling. Honestly, we were so upset and embarrassed that we didn't want to go public. [b] We didn't want to draw attention to the Green Party, our environmental group or the children's camp we were at either [/b]."


Why? I understand about not going public. But clearly the effects were strong enough that it was important enough for those affected to go public 12 years later.

And then, did West disclose this information when seeking the NDP nomination on numerous occasions?

Was there a formal record of events to for the party to check out? Such as a police report, newspaper article etc.

Regardless .....

[b]At no time should people put the Green Party, an Environmental Group or a Childrens camps reputation above the need to protect children from offensive behaviour. Clearly the situation was badly handle by these groups 12 years ago [/b].

Obviously this wasn't about a group of teenagers having a sense of freedom among themselves.

[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: madmax ]

madmax

I was wondering why the people involved in the Julian West Scandal were more interested in protecting the Green Party when the scandal blew up 12 years ago. It seems alot was swept under the carpet.

It seems whenever something of a distasteful or offensive or sexually abusive situation happens the first thing people seem to do is protect the offenders and the organizations.

Clearly 12 years later, the NDP is holding the bag on a controversial Candidate that had a known record in this circle regarding his activities. It seems to me that West had tried other times to become an NDP candidate but these events didn't come to surface.

Obviously, engaging in these activities, is offensive, especially when the age of the children are considered.

Where were the adults and the leaders and those who needed to take responsibility when this happened???

quote:

I remember looking over and seeing him standing there nude with an erection. It was very disturbing. The girls I was sitting with were crying," she said. Jessica told the News Review that she also witnessed the skinny dipping incident, but did not want to comment on it.

"We were all very upset [at the time],[b] our parents knew, the school was involved [/b], they offered us counselling. Honestly, we were so upset and embarrassed that we didn't want to go public. [b] We didn't want to draw attention to the Green Party, our environmental group or the children's camp we were at either [/b]."


Why? I understand about not going public. But clearly the effects were strong enough that it was important enough for those affected to go public 12 years later.

And then, did West disclose this information when seeking the NDP nomination on numerous occasions?

Was there a formal record of events to for the party to check out? Such as a police report, newspaper article etc.

Regardless .....

[b]At no time should people put the Green Party, an Environmental Group or a Childrens camps reputation above the need to protect children from offensive behaviour. Clearly the situation was badly handle by these groups 12 years ago [/b].

Obviously this wasn't about a group of teenagers having a sense of freedom among themselves.

[ 20 October 2008: Message edited by: madmax ]

janfromthebruce

This thread has to do with Liberals and Greens and how their strategy "backfired" on them. The article in Torstar has to do with Liberals and Greens.

And I find that blaming a "woman" for your male abusive ways is so old school. Also, calling people "retards" is also so old school and shows that when you get angry you end of blaming others as justification. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]

janfromthebruce

This thread has to do with Liberals and Greens and how their strategy "backfired" on them. The article in Torstar has to do with Liberals and Greens.

And I find that blaming a "woman" for your male abusive ways is so old school. Also, calling people "retards" is also so old school and shows that when you get angry you end of blaming others as justification. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]

janfromthebruce

This thread has to do with Liberals and Greens and how their strategy "backfired" on them. The article in Torstar has to do with Liberals and Greens.

And I find that blaming a "woman" for your male abusive ways is so old school. Also, calling people "retards" is also so old school and shows that when you get angry you end of blaming others as justification. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]

janfromthebruce

This thread has to do with Liberals and Greens and how their strategy "backfired" on them. The article in Torstar has to do with Liberals and Greens.

And I find that blaming a "woman" for your male abusive ways is so old school. Also, calling people "retards" is also so old school and shows that when you get angry you end of blaming others as justification. [img]eek.gif" border="0[/img]

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