Scheer Plays to the Alt-Right Pizzagate Crowd

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Scheer Plays to the Alt-Right Pizzagate Crowd

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer allowed an alt-right questioner to go uncorrected last night when he asked what he would do about Trudeau giving money to the Clinton Foundation which is "part of child trafficking and child sacrifice, if you study it," the man said. "It's in pizzagate. How do we get that money back?". Instead of correcting the man about Pizzagate which led to one man shooting up a pizza outlet because he believed it was involved in the alt-right's allegation that it was part of Hilary's child sex ring, Scheer said he appreciated the man's concerns about Trudeau wasting taxpayer's money on such things. Today, Scheer said he did not hear the Pizzagate reference but failed to comment on how it was nonsense. Only hours later, his press secretary, not Scheer, released an email stating that Scheer does not accept this alt-right theory.

I find it hard to believe he didn't hear the Pizzagate part of the question or know what Pizzagate was. Furthermore, if he didn't know, I find it even harder to believe that his aides would not have told him what it was. His failure to criticize it once confronted by reporters and his only had a press secretary response once negative comments started flooding in suggests he is playing footsie with the alt-right of conservatism. I have never been a supporter of Trudeau, but Scheer's comments deeply disturb me. 

The Conservative leader was grilled by a reporter Friday on an exchange from his event the night before in Kitchener, Ont.

A man in the audience criticized the Liberal government's spending with inaccurate figures, claiming Prime Minister Justin Trudeau "gave $600 million to the Clinton Foundation," the charitable organization of Bill and Hillary Clinton. ...

"The Clinton Foundation is part of child trafficking and child sacrifice, if you study it," the man said. "It's in pizzagate. How do we get that money back?" 'Pizzagate' is a totally discredited smear from the 2016 U.S. presidential election that claimed Hillary Clinton and her campaign chairman were behind a child sex ring at Comet Ping Pong, a Washington pizza shop. A gunman opened fire on the restaurant that same year but did not hurt anyone. He was later sentenced to four years in prison.

Scheer told the man that he appreciated his "concerns," and that Trudeau has spent taxpayers money on his own personal projects.  He did not take the opportunity to dispel the myth that the Clinton Foundation is in any way linked to child trafficking.

"You mention the Clinton Foundation, you mention there are other examples where Justin Trudeau's government has given grants to hire people... groups that are advocating for their own particular ideology," Scheer said, accusing the government of supporting groups that oppose building pipelines. ...

Speaking to reporters in Winnipeg Friday, Scheer was asked why he did not call out a debunked piece of fake news that has sparked violent incidents. "I heard the question was related to the government's, Justin Trudeau's decision to give a grant to the Clinton Foundation. I didn't hear anything about the other aspect that you just mentioned." When asked again, Scheer repeated that he heard the Clinton Foundation part of the question and "some of the other points the gentleman was making," but not the specific "pizzagate" reference.

Scheer's press secretary Daniel Schow reiterated to HuffPost Canada in an email Friday that he did not hear the term used during the question. "Mr. Scheer does not keep up with paranoid, American alt-right conspiracy theories and as such was not familiar with the term until it came up in the questioning today," he said. "Since learning about the pizzagate conspiracy, Mr. Scheer obviously believes it is ridiculous and dangerous, and that such conspiracies have no place in our political debate."

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2019/03/08/andrew-scheer-pizzagate_a_23688...

 

 

bekayne

This video shows Scheer's reaction to the question (watch the reaction of the woman behind him).

https://twitter.com/mbueckert/status/1104113650929938435

jerrym

The following tweet confirms my worst fears: 

https://twitter.com/yvonne4tn/status/1104046009439662084

These are the people directing the latest faux *scandal*.

jerrym

Of course Pizzagate is not the only example of Scheer's connections to the alt-right:

A spokesperson for Trudeau accused Scheer of promoting falsehoods, citing his attacks on the federal government's embrace of the UN Global Compact on Migration. Scheer has said he fears the document could exert an influence over Canada's immigration system — even though it is not a treaty and is not binding on the nations that support it.

Spokesperson Eleanore Catenaro also criticized Scheer for "sharing a stage" at the recent United We Roll protest with Faith Goldy, a former Rebel Media commentator who was let go from her job at Rebel Media after appearing on a podcast affiliated with the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer. ...

"It's no surprise Andrew Scheer refused to condemn this, given his clear history of promoting conspiracy theories and spreading misleading information, including his comments on the UN migration compact," said Catenaro. "He has also refused to condemn the hateful language at recent events on Parliament Hill at which he shared the stage with far-right groups."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-pizzagate-townhall-1.5048256

 

jerrym

Scheer has had two years to deal with the alt-right problem facing the Conservatives that the following 2017 article illustrates and yet he has done nothing to end this cancer. Clearly, he fully intends to court this section of the conservative base as the election approaches, even more so now that he has competition from Maxime Bernier's People's Party of Canada. 

The GOP was not hoodwinked into nominating a guy who was bolstering white nationalists. They knew exactly whom they were getting when they nominated Trump, and have in fact been either active or tacit in soliciting support from the alt-right. One conservative American commentator has referred to this as the “win at all costs” strategy. ...

The Conservative Party of Canada seems to be taking an analogous route in appealing to the more nativist elements of their base. ...

The party’s willingness to engage – and widespread refusal to condemn – the Canadian website that has given a platform to the alt-right and conspiracy theorists known as The Rebel is just another example.

As my colleague Sean Craig has noted for Global News, Conservative leader Andrew Scheer, as well as several other Conservative leadership contenders have appeared on The Rebel: “Scheer has given at least three one-on-one interviews with The Rebel since November 2016. Many other leadership candidates besides Scheer and Alexander, including Kellie Leitch, Brad Trost, Pierre Lemieux, Erin O’Toole, Kevin O’Leary, Tony Clement, Rick Peterson, Andrew Saxton, Steven Blaney and Maxime Bernier, have variously appeared on Rebel properties or at Rebel events.” ...

It’s the cowardly silence coming from the Conservatives that is worth noticing. After all, if they think The Rebel is merely a conservative outlet that provides a place for right-leaning analysis and opinion, they should say so and stand by their choice. But as of yet, none have come forward to defend The Rebel generally, or their choice to sit down with the controversial outlet specifically.

Left-leaning website Press Progress has found that a quarter of the Conservative caucus has appeared on The Rebel and have catalogued a mere three Conservative MPs – Michael Chong, Michelle Rempel, and Peter Kent – who have been willing to state in plain terms their denunciation of the outlet that sympathizes with white nationalism and openly promotes hateful rhetoric towards Muslims. ...

VICE News’ Justin Ling reports that a statement distancing the Conservative Party from The Rebel has been delivered to Scheer: “Two different sources in the party confirmed to VICE News that meetings had been held in Scheer’s office to discuss what to do about the increasingly toxic website. One spokesperson, in Scheer’s office, said on Monday that a statement had been drafted that would make the party’s position clear, and was merely awaiting sign-off from Scheer himself.” And while Scheer has apparently told reporters that he will no longer be doing interviews with The Rebel in the future should the site maintain its editorial direction, he has yet to condemn their past rhetoric and tactics. ...

Remaining silent or unclear implies that the Conservatives would rather placate some of the worst factions of their voting bloc instead of taking the more principled route. ...

This ensures the stagnation of the Conservative Party and its inability to draw more people, especially millennials who will comprise the largest voting bloc in the next election, into the Conservative tent.

Abacus Data pollster David Colletto has noted the impetus for the Tories to be able to appeal to millennials and states what needs to be done in stark terms: “It can recognize that social conservatism, anti-climate change positions, and perceived intolerance for diversity are alienating the largest groups of voters in the electorate and make a concerted effort to appeal to my generation.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/3677536/commentary-scheer-has-a-choice-to-mak...

 

bekayne

What would this look like if most of the media hadn't been doing their best to ignore it? 

Misfit Misfit's picture

Andrew Scheer is a dud and is ineffective as a leader. His days are numbered. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Misfit wrote:

Andrew Scheer is a dud and is ineffective as a leader. His days are numbered. 

Best case scenario for Scheer-it turns out that, the whole time, he's been Dave Foley from The Kids In The Hall doing an absurdly extended character "bit".  You never see those two in the same photograph, y'know.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Is that a subtle hint of conspiracy I’m thinking???

WWWTT

Lol that’s funny because there a height difference in the two by about 20cm

Sean in Ottawa

I am not sure that Scheer was playing to the alt-right crowd so much as accepting to ignore them. It is a question of competence but I do not see that he introduced the idea or acknowledged it. He is wrong to have ignored it but he did not really "play to it."

I suspect he might have agreed with it and perhaps did not want to play to it due to political realities that it might upset some potential supporters. Scheer is pretty far to the right himself but this falls short of the thread title, I think.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Whatever Scheer thinks about Pizzagate, he’s made it clear that the sort of person who does is welcome and should be perfectly comfortable in the CPC. 

Sean in Ottawa

Timebandit wrote:

Whatever Scheer thinks about Pizzagate, he’s made it clear that the sort of person who does is welcome and should be perfectly comfortable in the CPC. 

Yes, indeed. Even if he is not directly playing to them he is rolling out the welcome mat.

I think they are slightly different and I would rather the accusation stick...

JKR

Misfit wrote:

Andrew Scheer is a dud and is ineffective as a leader. His days are numbered. 

I hope so but I think he has almost a 50/50 chance of becoming PM in 7 months.

cco

Timebandit wrote:

Whatever Scheer thinks about Pizzagate, he’s made it clear that the sort of person who does is welcome and should be perfectly comfortable in the CPC. 

There was an awful lot of applause in that clip, too. It's not just one wingnut who happened to grab the mic. (Not that any of us thought it was.)

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Lol that’s funny because there a height difference in the two by about 20cm

Not true.  Scheer is 1.74 m.  Foley is 1.72

jerrym

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I am not sure that Scheer was playing to the alt-right crowd so much as accepting to ignore them. It is a question of competence but I do not see that he introduced the idea or acknowledged it. He is wrong to have ignored it but he did not really "play to it." 

He has selected three top advisors who trade in alt-right views as noted in post #3, has failed to deal with the questions raised about the Conservative ultra-right wingers for two years in posts #4 and 5, and played to the anti-immigrant crowd, especially over those crossing the border in Quebec. In my view, that's playing to this crowd whether those are his personal views or simply opportunistic politics. 

WWWTT

Sorry to engage in some more thread drift here Ken but Scheer is very tall, like 6’4” or 193cm or something like that. I’ve met Kevin McDonald and Bruce McCulloch in Toronto before and from watching too much kids in the hall, I suspect Dave is the same height or around there (I’m on the short side to by the way, not that it matters)

As far as pizzagate goes, I’d have to do a bunch of research to know what that’s all about. From my experience, people whom I’ve known who are far right in Canada seem to follow and support right wing politics in the US. 

Those extremists probably financially support Scheer, so Scheer probably won’t say anything to discourage it. So I have to agree with Sean in Ottawa that I don’t think Scheer would publicly vocalize about  it in fear that he would put himself on the fringes. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

It would appear that Scheer is, in fact, tall.

Quote:
Andrew Scheer is a giant. He is 6’4”, far taller than any current world leader of note, and slightly taller than Abraham Lincoln, still the tallest president in U.S. history. He’s so tall that “height” ranks as the fifth most popular Google term searched in conjunction with the words “Andrew Scheer.”

 

Sean in Ottawa

jerrym wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I am not sure that Scheer was playing to the alt-right crowd so much as accepting to ignore them. It is a question of competence but I do not see that he introduced the idea or acknowledged it. He is wrong to have ignored it but he did not really "play to it." 

He has selected three top advisors who trade in alt-right views as noted in post #3, has failed to deal with the questions raised about the Conservative ultra-right wingers for two years in posts #4 and 5, and played to the anti-immigrant crowd, especially over those crossing the border in Quebec. In my view, that's playing to this crowd whether those are his personal views or simply opportunistic politics. 

In this sense you are correct -- I was merely saying that in the case of the comment, ignoring is not playing to but rather tolerating.

I agree that there is a pattern in other areas of him playing to this and therefore his tolerating or ignoring in this case is very suspect.

jerrym

Today Scheer was again criticized for failing to include any mention of the words "Moslem" or "Islamophobia" in his initial comments on the New Zealand mosque attacks. These omissions are noticed in visible minority and religious minority communities. This could cause further problems for Scheer in attracting minority voters in the upcoming election. 

Bernier did not post anything on the attacks by late Friday.

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer issued two statements on the terrorist attacks in New Zealand on Friday -- the second after being criticized for not mentioning in the first that the attack was against Muslims at mosques during their Friday prayers.

Two Conservative MPs have also cancelled an event on Monday with a British parliamentarian who has been accused of promoting anti-Islamic sentiments "out of respect" for Muslims reeling from the attacks that killed 49 people.

Scheer posted to Twitter and Facebook late Thursday evening in Canada as news of the attacks was reported, saying "freedom has come under attack" and mentioning "peaceful worshippers" and a "despicable act of evil."

All people must be able to practice their faith freely and without fear," he wrote.

But the statement was condemned quickly online for failing to specify that the attack was on Muslims, during prayers at mosques. Some pointed to the fact he did name Coptic Christians and call out anti-Semitism in previous tweets when killers attacked Egyptian churches in 2017 and a synagogue in Pittsburgh last fall.

The National Council of Canadian Muslims criticized the omission in a statement Friday afternoon.

"While some of our elected leaders sadly choose not to mention `Muslim' or `mosque' while denouncing the Christchurch attacks, the reality is that these horrific shootings and the Quebec City mosque attack on Jan. 29, 2017, have left Canadian Muslim communities -- and indeed, Muslims around the world -- feeling very vulnerable and unsafe," wrote the Council's executive director Ihsaan Gardee. "It is therefore essential that our elected leaders speak out clearly and unequivocally against such attacks and name them for the Islamophobic terrorist attacks that they are."

The statement does not mention Scheer by name but at that point, he was the only Canadian political leader whose public response to the attacks did not mention either Muslims or mosques.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's statement condemned the attacks as terrorism and said everyone must work to "confront Islamophobia."

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh tweeted that "Islamophobia kills."

Green Leader Elizabeth May did not mention Muslims in her first Tweet but retweeted several others who did.

Former Conservative Maxime Bernier, now the leader of the People's Party of Canada, hadn't posted anything about the attacks at all by late Friday.

Scheer's office did not respond to an initial query about the statement's not mentioning Muslims but after being asked about the statement from the National Council of Canadian Muslims, his spokesman responded with a link to a new statement on Scheer's Facebook page.

"As Canadians are learning the horrific details of last night's terror attack at two New Zealand mosques, I wish to express both my deep sadness at the tragic loss of innocent life and my profound condemnation of this cowardly and hateful attack on the Muslim community," it said. ...

A month ago, Scheer was criticized for sharing a stage on Parliament Hill with a cross-Canada truck convoy mostly protesting Liberal inaction on the energy industry but which included some people promoting hatred. Scheer said he was only there to support the energy workers, not the "other elements that tried to associate themselves with the event." ...

Meanwhile, Conservative MP Garnett Genuis tweeted Friday that Monday's reception with Baroness Caroline Cox, a member of the British House of Lords, has been cancelled.

Genuis, an Edmonton-area MP, and fellow Conservative MP Kelly Block of Saskatchewan were to co-host the reception with Cox, who has shown support for Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad and has said she believes Muslims are trying to destroy Western democracies with Shariah law.

Toronto Liberal MP Judy Sgro pulled out of the event after she found out about Cox's participation. Genuis initially rejected calls to follow suit, calling it a talk on human rights, and accused Sgro on social media of retreating only after she remembered this is an election year. He said in a statement Friday that Cox's views are subject of "some debate, and perhaps some confusion."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/after-criticism-scheer-adds-word-muslim-...

 

Aristotleded24

WWWTT wrote:
As far as pizzagate goes, I’d have to do a bunch of research to know what that’s all about.

Essentially, one of the e-mails released during the WikiLeaks dump makes continuous reference to "cheese pizza" and a particular pizza establishment in Washington DC. Some people reading into it say that "cheeze pizza" is actually code for "child pornography" and that it refers to a massive child sex ring run out of this pizza shop by Democratic party officials. There are many glaring holes in this theory. The most obvious one is that no actual victims have come forward to say that this is happening. Child sex abuse is such a horrendous act that if it was taking place, somebody directly affected would be speaking about it.

Pogo Pogo's picture

WWWTT wrote:

Lol that’s funny because there a height difference in the two by about 20cm

I guess you never saw the Pierre Trudeaus/Joe Clark debate?

jerrym

Aristotleded24 wrote:

WWWTT wrote:
As far as pizzagate goes, I’d have to do a bunch of research to know what that’s all about.

Essentially, one of the e-mails released during the WikiLeaks dump makes continuous reference to "cheese pizza" and a particular pizza establishment in Washington DC. Some people reading into it say that "cheeze pizza" is actually code for "child pornography" and that it refers to a massive child sex ring run out of this pizza shop by Democratic party officials. There are many glaring holes in this theory. The most obvious one is that no actual victims have come forward to say that this is happening. Child sex abuse is such a horrendous act that if it was taking place, somebody directly affected would be speaking about it.

Here are some more details on what happened as a result of this alt-right hate mongering.

In the fall of 2016, the personal email account of John PodestaHillary Clinton's campaign manager, was hacked in a spear-phishing attack, and his emails were subsequently made public by WikiLeaks. Proponents of the Pizzagate conspiracy theory falsely claimed that the emails contained coded messages referring to human trafficking and connecting several U.S. restaurants and high-ranking officials of the Democratic Party with an alleged child sex ring involving the Washington, D.C. restaurant Comet Ping Pong.

Members of the alt-right and other opponents of Clinton's presidential campaign spread the conspiracy theory on social media outlets such as 4chan and Twitter. A man from North Carolina traveled to Comet Ping Pong to investigate this conspiracy, during which he fired a rifle inside the restaurant. In addition, the restaurant owner and staff received death threats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

 

jerrym

Criticism of the Conservatives continues to mount over its deafness in dealing with the New Zealand attack.

But Scheer's initial statement suggested it was "freedom" under attack.

"Freedom has come under attack in New Zealand as peaceful worshippers are targeted in a despicable act of evil. All people must be able to practice their faith freely without fear," Scheer wrote Thursday night, adding "there are no words strong enough to condemn this kind of vile hatred."

The statement was widely criticized on social media and by anti-racism advocates, who pointed to the Conservative party's past policies — such as the proposed niqab ban and the "barbaric practices" tip line — as well as Scheer's failing to specifically mention the terrorist attack clearly targeted Muslims. After receiving media requests to respond to that criticism, Scheer's office issued a second statement of condolences that was much more specific.

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9224963-scheer-issues-second-statemen...

 

jerrym

While Conservative MP Garnett Genuis has called off hosting a Parliament Hill event featuring British Baroness Caroline Cox, who is " is a director of the far right Gatestone Institute" that is anti-Muslim, the question arises why Scheer would allow the Conservative Party to be associated with this anywhere in the country, but especially at the symbolic heart of our democracy, Parliament Hill. 

The Gatestone Institute has been frequently described as "anti-Muslim",[a] regularly publishes articles to stoke anti-Muslim fears,[18][25] and has published false stories to that end.[9][26] Gatestone frequently warns of a looming "jihadist takeover" and "Islamization" of Europe, leading to a "Great White Death".[5] Gatestone authors have a particular interest in Germany and Sweden, and frequently criticize leaders such as Macron and Merkel.[5]

In 2012, the Gatestone Institute hosted a talk by Geert Wilders.[13] Gatestone has been criticized for affiliating itself with Wilders, who says that he "hates Islam."[27] In 2016, Gatestone paid for Wilders' flights and hotels on trips to the United States,[28][29] and has published his writings.[27]

Alina Polyakova, a Brookings Institution fellow and expert on far-right populism, said that Gatetone's content "was clearly anti-immigrant" and "anti-Muslim".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute

Caroline Cox herself has helped spread anti-Muslim rhetoric.

In 2003, she wrote The 'West', Islam and Islamism: Is ideological Islam compatible with liberal democracy? with John Marks,[10] published by Civitas, which argued "that Islamist terrorism was only part of a broader ideological challenge comparable to communist propaganda efforts during the Cold War".

Cox, speaking at a 2014 event organised by the Yuval Ne’eman Workshop for Science, Technology and Security at Tel Aviv University and The Israeli Institute for Strategic Studies, mentioned the alleged ‘Trojan Horse plot’ in her speech as an example of secret takeover strategies by ‘Islamists’ in Africa made in order to ‘Islamize’ the continent. She said "“Islam is using the freedoms of democracy to destroy it.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Cox,_Baroness_Cox

 

jerrym

Although the hosting of far-right anti-Muslim Baroness Caroline Cox on Parliament Hill by Conservative MPs  Garnett Genuis and Kelly Block has been called off, Moslems and others are questioning why it took the murder of 49 Muslims in New Zealand to bring this about. Another question is why was Scheer willing to allow this to go ahead?

Conservative MP Garnett Genuis says after the pair of deadly attacks in New Zealand he will no longer host an event on Parliament Hill featuring a guest speaker who drew sharp criticism from the Muslim community.

Muslim advocates said the guest speaker, Baroness Caroline Cox, promotes hate against Muslims, and she has also been accused of supporting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. ...

Amira Elghawaby of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network said she is relieved it has been cancelled, but said it should not have been scheduled in the first place.

“I know many people had reached out to Conservative Party, to Garnett, to talk to him about this event and he was not really listening, and I’m relieved that he finally heard from the community and actually took their concerns to heart,” Ms. Elghawaby said.

“But why did it take the death of 49 people for him to understand that the way communities are feeling right now, even before this tragedy, that we are being maligned and scapegoated and stereotyped by various groups and this Baroness was part of those who are promoting fear, bigotry and racism against our communities. Regardless of what happened in New Zealand, this event should never have been scheduled in the first place,” she said.

Ihsaan Gardee, the executive director of the National Council of Canadian Muslims, said his organization wrote to both Mr. Genuis and co-host Conservative MP Kelly Block to ask them to reconsider holding the event, calling it “deeply concerning” when politicians associate with figures who espouse Islamophobic views, lending legitimacy to them.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-tory-mp-cancels-event-w...

 

WWWTT

Aristotleded24 wrote:

WWWTT wrote:
As far as pizzagate goes, I’d have to do a bunch of research to know what that’s all about.

Essentially, one of the e-mails released during the WikiLeaks dump makes continuous reference to "cheese pizza" and a particular pizza establishment in Washington DC. Some people reading into it say that "cheeze pizza" is actually code for "child pornography" and that it refers to a massive child sex ring run out of this pizza shop by Democratic party officials. There are many glaring holes in this theory. The most obvious one is that no actual victims have come forward to say that this is happening. Child sex abuse is such a horrendous act that if it was taking place, somebody directly affected would be speaking about it.

Ok thanks for that. Wasn't there a shooting at this pizza shop to?

Edited to add

Ok I see quote #24 mentions that. Sounds like way out there stuff. And thanks again

Paladin1

jerrym wrote:

Criticism of the Conservatives continues to mount over its deafness in dealing with the New Zealand attack.

 

Has there ever been a response by a political party in an event like this that wasn't critisized by their opponents?

Someone posted too soon. They didn't post soon enough. They were too generic. They were too dramatic. They were too emotional. They weren't emotional enough.  They used the word terrorist. They didn't use the word terrorist. They did this but not that, they did that but not this.

Is there a checklist people should go by?

These attacks serve as one more soundbite our politicians and political people use to attack one another.

 

 

As for Pizzagate (will we ever stop labeling everything "gate"?). I had to google what the hell it was. I think Scheer is a crappy politician, but damn. This is a pretty lame scandal. He sat through a 2 minute rambling question and apparently zone out some part of it or missed a part.  Trudeau did the same thing when people lost their shit about him making a joke about "we don't say mankind we say people kind".  Because the guy sat through a few minutes of the question asker rambling on and on and he made a crappy joke. And I'm no defender of Trudeau believe me. Public speaking sucks. There's lots of things to go after Scheer over, this is a pretty weak one.

brookmere

Paladin1 wrote:
Has there ever been a response by a political party in an event like this that wasn't critisized by their opponents?

Sure, after the Pittsburg synagogue shooting for example. Now take a look at what was said by the party leaders and spot the difference from this time.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau condemned the mass shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in the city’s Squirrel Hill neighbourhood, as a “horrific anti-Semitic attack.”

“Canadians’ hearts are with the Jewish community in Pittsburgh today,” Trudeau wrote in a post on Twitter. “May the families of those murdered be comforted, and may the injured recover quickly and fully.”

Meanwhile, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale tweeted that he shares “the deep anguish in the Jewish community,” adding, “If Canada can help, we will.”

Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland said she was “horrified” by the shooting and called on Canadians to “stand together against hatred, intolerance, anti-Semitism and violence.”

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer wrote that he was praying for those affected, while the NDP’s Jagmeet Singh said his “heart breaks” for the Jewish community in Pittsburgh.

Both opposition leaders also called for Canadians to stand firmly against hate and anti-Semitism.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canadian-politicians-poli...

 

quizzical

i see conservatives trying to minimize Scheers pandering for votes everywhere in social media never thought to see it here.

jerrym

Paladin1 wrote:

 

Has there ever been a response by a political party in an event like this that wasn't critisized by their opponents?

Someone posted too soon. They didn't post soon enough. They were too generic. They were too dramatic. They were too emotional. They weren't emotional enough.  They used the word terrorist. They didn't use the word terrorist. They did this but not that, they did that but not this.

Is there a checklist people should go by?

These attacks serve as one more soundbite our politicians and political people use to attack one another.

It's more than a soundbite. The Conservative Party and Scheer have been engaged in alt-right dog whistles for a long time. One poorly worded tweet or one poorly thought invitation to a racist could be excused as a honest mistake but when it keeps happening, this is not an accident. In the 2015 election, there were blatant examples of this with the Conservatives "continuing to focus on controversial issues of identity politics ahead of tonight's French-language leaders debate, pledging that a re-elected Tory government would establish a tip line for reporting 'barbaric cultural practices' " (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-barbaric-cultural-...) and the anti-hijab fight (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/01/zunera-ishaq-veil-canada-e...).

Under Scheer's leadership this has continued. Under Scheer in 2018 they put out an anti-black racist ad on border crossings that they had to pull.

The Conservative party pulled an attack ad from its Twitter feed Tuesday that depicted a black man carrying a suitcase walking over a tweet from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

The tweet is rolled out as a carpet entering a broken fence and the words “faith” and “diversity” are visible.

The Tories have argued that a Trudeau tweet from January 2017 is partly to blame for the influx of asylum seekers crossing into Canada from the United States.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4337401/conservative-party-attack-ad-border-c...

 

 

At the risk of hearing back that it has already been mentioned rather than dealing with these issues individually, here are a condensed list some examples. Scheer's senior staff raises questions about his views in itself.

post #3

Post #4

A spokesperson for Trudeau accused Scheer of promoting falsehoods, citing his attacks on the federal government's embrace of the UN Global Compact on Migration. Scheer has said he fears the document could exert an influence over Canada's immigration system — even though it is not a treaty and is not binding on the nations that support it.

Spokesperson Eleanore Catenaro also criticized Scheer for "sharing a stage" at the recent United We Roll protest with Faith Goldy, a former Rebel Media commentator who was let go from her job at Rebel Media after appearing on a podcast affiliated with the neo-Nazi website the Daily Stormer. ...

 Post #5

Scheer has had two years to deal with the alt-right problem facing the Conservatives that the following 2017 article illustrates and yet he has done nothing to end this cancer. Clearly, he fully intends to court this section of the conservative base as the election approaches, even more so now that he has competition from Maxime Bernier's People's Party of Canada. 

The party’s willingness to engage – and widespread refusal to condemn – the Canadian website that has given a platform to the alt-right and conspiracy theorists known as The Rebel is just another example.

As my colleague Sean Craig has noted for Global News, Conservative leader Andrew Scheer, as well as several other Conservative leadership contenders have appeared on The Rebel: “Scheer has given at least three one-on-one interviews with The Rebel since November 2016. Many other leadership candidates besides Scheer and Alexander, including Kellie Leitch, Brad Trost, Pierre Lemieux, Erin O’Toole, Kevin O’Leary, Tony Clement, Rick Peterson, Andrew Saxton, Steven Blaney and Maxime Bernier, have variously appeared on Rebel properties or at Rebel events.” ...

VICE News’ Justin Ling reports that a statement distancing the Conservative Party from The Rebel has been delivered to Scheer: “Two different sources in the party confirmed to VICE News that meetings had been held in Scheer’s office to discuss what to do about the increasingly toxic website. One spokesperson, in Scheer’s office, said on Monday that a statement had been drafted that would make the party’s position clear, and was merely awaiting sign-off from Scheer himself.” And while Scheer has apparently told reporters that he will no longer be doing interviews with The Rebel in the future should the site maintain its editorial direction, he has yet to condemn their past rhetoric and tactics. ...

Remaining silent or unclear implies that the Conservatives would rather placate some of the worst factions of their voting bloc instead of taking the more principled route.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3677536/commentary-scheer-has-a-choice-to-mak...

 

post #21

Today Scheer was again criticized for failing to include any mention of the words "Moslem" or "Islamophobia" in his initial comments on the New Zealand mosque attacks. These omissions are noticed in visible minority and religious minority communities. This could cause further problems for Scheer in attracting minority voters in the upcoming election. 

Bernier did not post anything on the attacks by late Friday.

Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer issued two statements on the terrorist attacks in New Zealand on Friday -- the second after being criticized for not mentioning in the first that the attack was against Muslims at mosques during their Friday prayers.

Two Conservative MPs have also cancelled an event on Monday with a British parliamentarian who has been accused of promoting anti-Islamic sentiments "out of respect" for Muslims reeling from the attacks that killed 49 people. ...

The National Council of Canadian Muslims criticized the omission in a statement Friday afternoon.

"While some of our elected leaders sadly choose not to mention `Muslim' or `mosque' while denouncing the Christchurch attacks, the reality is that these horrific shootings and the Quebec City mosque attack on Jan. 29, 2017, have left Canadian Muslim communities -- and indeed, Muslims around the world -- feeling very vulnerable and unsafe," wrote the Council's executive director Ihsaan Gardee. "It is therefore essential that our elected leaders speak out clearly and unequivocally against such attacks and name them for the Islamophobic terrorist attacks that they are."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/after-criticism-scheer-adds-word-muslim-...

 

post #26

While Conservative MP Garnett Genuis has called off hosting a Parliament Hill event featuring British Baroness Caroline Cox, who is " is a director of the far right Gatestone Institute" that is anti-Muslim, the question arises why Scheer would allow the Conservative Party to be associated with this anywhere in the country, but especially at the symbolic heart of our democracy, Parliament Hill.  ...

Caroline Cox herself has helped spread anti-Muslim rhetoric.

In 2003, she wrote The 'West', Islam and Islamism: Is ideological Islam compatible with liberal democracy? with John Marks,[10] published by Civitas, which argued "that Islamist terrorism was only part of a broader ideological challenge comparable to communist propaganda efforts during the Cold War".

Cox, speaking at a 2014 event organised by the Yuval Ne’eman Workshop for Science, Technology and Security at Tel Aviv University and The Israeli Institute for Strategic Studies, mentioned the alleged ‘Trojan Horse plot’ in her speech as an example of secret takeover strategies by ‘Islamists’ in Africa made in order to ‘Islamize’ the continent. She said "“Islam is using the freedoms of democracy to destroy it.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Cox,_Baroness_Cox

 

 

Sean in Ottawa

quizzical wrote:

i see conservatives trying to minimize Scheers pandering for votes everywhere in social media never thought to see it here.

Maybe you are missing what I was actually saying if you include me in this: I agree he is pandering in a number of ways but the case that generated this thread he was ignoring it which is a different thing. This is not the same thing as you suggest and it is not a whole lot better but the title was not accurate.

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Ken Burch wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Lol that’s funny because there a height difference in the two by about 20cm

Not true.  Scheer is 1.74 m.  Foley is 1.72

There is however a 16 year age difference between them, such that 2019 Dave Foley doesn't look that much like 2019 Andrew Scheer.

Here's a link to a current picture of Dave Foley:
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/actors/dave-foley-...

Paladin1

quizzical wrote:

i see conservatives trying to minimize Scheers pandering for votes everywhere in social media never thought to see it here.

 

Que:

I thought this was a progressive board

I'm more progressive than you

quizzical

Paladin1 wrote:

quizzical wrote:

i see conservatives trying to minimize Scheers pandering for votes everywhere in social media never thought to see it here.

 

Que:

I thought this was a progressive board

I'm more progressive than you

not with you here

Paladin1

quizzical wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

quizzical wrote:

i see conservatives trying to minimize Scheers pandering for votes everywhere in social media never thought to see it here.

 

Que:

I thought this was a progressive board

I'm more progressive than you

not with you here

 

Sorry for single handedly destroying Rabble's progressiveness.

 

Maybe you could spearhead some kind of progressive witch-trial?  The lack of personal attacks we're seeing on the forums here just isn't acceptable.