Senator Mac Harb Subject of RCMP Probe.

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Tommy_Paine
Senator Mac Harb Subject of RCMP Probe.

From the Globe and Mail:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/rcmp-probes-senator-mac-har...

"The RCMP is investigating Liberal Senator Mac Harb for criminal breach of trust, alleging in a sworn affidavit that he travelled to Bangladesh on a special passport reserved for federal officials, where he lobbied members of the country's government on behalf of Niko Resources, a Calgary-based oil and gas company."

And,

"RCMP Corporal Kevin Duggan has alleged in a sworn affidavit that between 2004 and 2006, Mr. Harb travelled to Dhaka at least four times to lobby Bangladeshi officials about a dispute over natural-gas payments – despite warnings from Canada's diplomatic corps that he was not welcome. Specifically, a former high commissioner to Bangladesh told the Mounties that because Mr. Harb was “personally involved with the company” his trips were “not good for the image of Canada.” "

Stay tuned.  At the usual pace of RCMP investigations of Senators, we can expect charges to be laid sometime before 2020, and a conviction maybe in this half of the century.

Abolish the Senate now.

Sineed

I read this too, Tommy and agree.  I can't help but wonder, however, whether the investigation would be so persistent into a Conservative senator.

Tommy_Paine

That's hard to say.  I guess we will probably find out.

What amazes me is that the Senate is such a peach.  You get to do as much work as you like.  A decent salary with mondo perks, a solid gold pension. Better than financial security for life, garanteed.  And some pretty lax laws and guidelines on conflict of interest so that there's plenty of room for cash grabs without breaking the law, even though it should be.

Why these guys have to go the extent of actually breaking a law is beyond me. 

Greed? Stupidity? Hubris? Gambling debts? Addiction?

thorin_bane

Because to them its just a stocking stuffer on top of their stock and board member money. But yeah it makes you wonder why anyone would blow it, even for a kickback from gas and oil companies. If I had a 150,000 income just to show up and read a document a few times a month I would be pretty happy about it. Of course I don't donate to the conservative party so that isn't likely to happen.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

He is Liberal hack not a Conservative one although you are right that to get appointed now you need to be a Conservative bag man. 

To many $150,000 a year is a fortune, too people who play at international trade and politics it is chump change in a brown paper bag.  

NorthReport

Isn't this Liberal Senator Mac Harb involved in some Senate expense investigation? What are the details here as the Liberals have been hard at work keeping Wikipedia up to date for Wallin & Duffy, but Harb's page appears to be out of date.

Brachina

The Senate is just the gift that keeps on giving to Tom Mulcair. Hopeful this will stop the Liberals from trying to pretend its just Tory Senators that are the problem.

NorthReport

This is not chickenfeed - close to a quarter of a million dollars this Liberal puppy owes Canadians.

But don't worry about Harb as Justin Trudeau wants him back.

NorthReport

Nothing stops these pigs at the trough. Just Liberals who are 'entitled to their entitlements"

 

Senator Mac Harb advised to pay up or face more scrutiny

A Senate committee has ordered Senator Mac Harb to repay $51,000 within 30 days, and has given him the option to repay a total of $231,649 if he does not want to face an extended and detailed audit of his expenses dating back to at least 2005, CBC News has learned.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/13/pol-senate-expenses.htm...

janfromthebruce

Now Hab is taking it to court and fighting paying back the money because the "process was unfair". This is so "same old same old". When one is guilty one suggests the process was wrong and not the actual wrongdoing.

NorthReport

If Joe or Jane Canadian got caught doing this they would probably be languishing in jail by now, but this is the guy that Trudeau wants back in the Liberal Caucus, as before he got caught he was supposedly an outstanding Liberal Senator. Ha! HA!
Liberal Senator Mac Harb repays $51K in expenses

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/07/04/pol-mac-harb-senate-rep...

NorthReport

You see Senator, it's the unfairness of your situation compared to the vast majority of Canadians that sticks in our craw.

Many, many Canadians see this as just another

"Liberal who thinks he is entitled to his entitlements".

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NorthReport

So where does Mac Harb actually live as you see you have to live more than 100 km from the National Capital Region to quality for these additional living expeses?

Audits of Canadian Senators' Expenses

Mac Harb, who had been a Deputy Mayor of Ottawa and a member of parliament for Ottawa-Centre, owns several properties in Ottawa, but was claiming a house in Westmeath, Ontario (more than 100 km from Ottawa) as his primary residence.

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Mac Harb's primary and secondary residence claims and related expense claims were referred to external auditors at Deloitte. The period covered was from April 1, 2011 to September 30, 2012. Senator Harb was found to have spent approximately 21 percent of 549 days at his declared primary residence of Westmeath, with two additional identified day trips. He was also found to use an Ottawa address for some official purposes. His travel patterns were consistently Ottawa-Westmeath-Ottawa, demonstrating that Ottawa was his primary residence. The Senate ordered Senator Harb to repay $51,482. The Senate also extended the internal audit on Senator Harb's travel patterns and living expense claims back to before April 1, 2011. Any claims he makes for reimbursement will be overseen for at least a year.

http://canadaonline.about.com/od/senate/a/senators-expenses-brazeau-harb...

janfromthebruce

and elitest Trudeau doesn't see a thing wrong with someone of his social and economic class - birds of a feather - you get where I am going.

NorthReport

Senator Harb didn't live at 'primary' residence, RCMP say

Police also plan to investigate unusual mortgage arrangement

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/07/26/pol-senator-mac-harb-rc...

nakedApe42 nakedApe42's picture

janfromthebruce wrote:

and elitest Trudeau doesn't see a thing wrong with someone of his social and economic class - birds of a feather - you get where I am going.

Harb is no doubt a con man. There's no basis, however, to claim Trudeau somehow approves of his actions. The new facts about Harb swindling taxpayers for residency costs for a house he clearly didn't live in just came to light. If Trudeau wants to be taken seriously on his democratic reform platform he will have to condemn Harb in no uncertain terms. 

Definitely agree with the NDP on abolishing the senate. It is a disgrace: appointed partisan cronies who are whipped by federal parties. It doesn't prevent Canada from becoming a dictatorship; it doesn't represent the provinces; it doesn't provide "sober second thought."  

The senate, however, is just a nuisance. The biggest issue is voting reform: putting a stop to minority parties getting absolute corrupt power. The Liberals have the best plan: just legislate the ranked ballot direct (Preferential Voting.) After that we can have a PR/PV referendum without worry of losing to corrupt First-Past-the-Post (incremental approach to voting reform.) 

janfromthebruce

The Liberals don't have the best plan, and no, I'm not riding the new shiny pony. And Trudeau the light made a bad judgment call in first not waiting until the investigation was complete before making his announcement that Hab was welcome back once he got his financial mess fixed.

Senate abolishment is not an minor nuisance, it's a huge waste of money and also has been used in the past to stop passed motions from those duly elected. Think Kyoto in which both con and lib senators voted it down. Those unelected ones who are partisan hacks, bag people, and failed candidates.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

nakedApe42 wrote:

The senate, however, is just a nuisance. The biggest issue is voting reform: putting a stop to minority parties getting absolute corrupt power. The Liberals have the best plan: just legislate the ranked ballot direct (Preferential Voting.) After that we can have a PR/PV referendum without worry of losing to corrupt First-Past-the-Post (incremental approach to voting reform.) 

You keep stating that the biggest problem with the current system is "minority parties getting absolute corrupt power" as if it were simply a fact. But it is not a fact, it is an opinion. You have every right to hold this opinion, but that does not make it a fact. Another opinion, held by me and many others you would call PR absolutists, is that the biggest problem with the current system is the lack of parliamentary representation for parties which have significant voter support (say 5% to 15%).

PV does absolutely nothing to help solve this problem, which in my opinion is more important than your biggest problem. For example, in a hypothetical 3-party contest, it does the party that ranks third no good to have every single second choice vote because it will be eliminated, and its supporters second choices will go to the first and second place parties instead. A similar argument applies in a 4-party contest.

In my opinion, this is not really more democratic than the current system at all. It would probably be beneficial to parties like the Liberal Party, so if you are a strong supporter of that party, you will probably see it as a good thing. I suspect that this is actually the wellspring of your own enthusiasm for PV.  In my opinion, PV simply forces voters into providing fake legitimacy to MPs whom they do not support, and to whom they would never have given a first vote if they had only one.

 

nakedApe42 nakedApe42's picture

janfromthebruce wrote:

The Liberals don't have the best plan, and no, I'm not riding the new shiny pony.

I'm not trying to "convert" you. Just pointing out the Liberals have a practical plan to end voting splitting and stop the Conservatives from becoming Canada's natural governing party of the 21st century on 39% of the vote.

I'm not a true-believer in any political party or democratic voting system. I just know that what we have now is undemocratic and intolerable. 

nakedApe42 nakedApe42's picture

Michael Moriarity wrote:

You keep stating that the biggest problem with the current system is "minority parties getting absolute corrupt power" as if it were simply a fact. But it is not a fact, it is an opinion.

Democracy means rule by the people. The only way the will of the people can be determined is by a majority vote. Doling out 100% of the power to a minority party — while shutting out the vast majority — is the opposite of democracy. That's obviously a huge problem which 94% of developed countries don't have.

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Another opinion, held by me and many others you would call PR absolutists, is that the biggest problem with the current system is the lack of parliamentary representation for parties which have significant voter support (say 5% to 15%).

Yes, in our existing Westminster system — where people elect a person to represent them who belongs to a party — nation-wide votes are not distributed to parties. I agree PR is the better system because people tend to vote for a party, leader and platform.

But PV ranked ballot is a huge improvement over FPP plurality which awards seats to leading candidates. PV stops minority candidates and parties from winning due to vote splitting.

PV also offers better representation to small parties. Under FPP, the Conservatives benefit from anti-environment policies that drive up the Green vote and balkanize the opposition. Under PV, parties like the Liberals and NDP have to reach out to Green voters to get alternative votes. Indirect representation is better than nothing.   

Given PR has lost by over 60% in the last 3 provincial referendums, I think PV is a practical intermediate step. Someone is only an absolutist if they take the all-or-nothing approach.

 

nakedApe42 nakedApe42's picture

Michael Moriarity wrote:

It would probably be beneficial to parties like the Liberal Party, so if you are a strong supporter of that party, you will probably see it as a good thing. I suspect that this is actually the wellspring of your own enthusiasm for PV.

It's only a fallacy Preferential Voting will benefit the Liberal party. This is on the belief that the middle party will get the most alternative votes. The reality is that Conservatives tend to hate the Liberal party. Most are not going to give it alternative votes.

Also polarizing FPP creates a major/minor party dynamic on the center-left. Since both parties compete for the entire vote, centrists tend to not want to waste their vote on the minor party and fear vote-splitting will give neo-cons a fake majority.

PV ranked ballot puts an end to this distortion. Since both parties are only competing for the #1 spot, it makes little difference to a voter who they rank #1 or #2. That means the Liberals can no longer take centrist votes for granted. It will also make the NDP a real player that forms governments.

My enthusiasm is for getting something done: the incremental approach to voting reform. Corrupt FPP is the reason we've had 30 years of right-of-center government. Although PV not as good as PR, it will ensure Green voters affect legislation and allow social democrats to form governments.

Michael Moriarity wrote:

In my opinion, PV simply forces voters into providing fake legitimacy to MPs whom they do not support, and to whom they would never have given a first vote if they had only one.

All parties use the PV ranked ballot to elect their leaders. That's like saying PV awards a fake legitimacy to party leaders. 

 

Lens Solution

Looks like the RCMP is making the rounds through each Senator - today they filed their case against Sen. Brazeau.  Will Wallin be next?

 

Sen. Brazeau's expense claims constitute Breach of Trust: RCMP court documents

 

Robert Fife

Thursday, August 1, 2013

OTTAWA -- Senator Patrick Brazeau “does not live” in Maniwaki, Que., and “inappropriately” claimed his father’s home there as his primary residence in order to claim an annual $22,000 taxpayer-subsidized housing allowance, an RCMP investigator alleges.

“The investigation has shown that Brazeau does not live in Maniwaki, nor does he own a home there,” RCMP Corporal Greg Horton wrote in the affidavit. “Brazeau’s father resides in Maniwaki, but the Senator, since being appointed to the Senate, has not.”

The sworn RCMP affidavit, filed in Ottawa court on Thursday, reveals the Mounties are investigating the former Conservative senator for alleged breach of trust over living expense claims he submitted since 2011.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/sen-brazeau-s-expense-claims-constitute-b...

NorthReport

Now another Liberal Senator , this time Colin Kenny, is being accused of inappropriate use of funds

When will this ever end with these slimeballs!

Liberal Senator under fire for misuse of expenses

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Politics/ID/2413698884/

NorthReport
NorthReport

A Liberal's point of view on th the latest Senate scandal

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/duffys-quest-for-revenge-a-wat...

NorthReport

According to what the RCMP said today about Mac Harb, Liberals don't have a word to say about the Duffy-Wallin-Brazeau-LeBreton-Harper-Wright-Novak Senate caper.

NorthReport

Ex-Liberal Senator Mac Harb goes on trial Aug 10  - just before our next scheduled election.

This looks like more bad news for the Liberals after a very bad several weeks where the Trudeau Liberals are continuing to trend downward in the polls.

Mac Harb to go to trial Aug. 10 on fraud, breach of trust charges

http://www.calgaryherald.com/News/ottawa/Harb+trial+fraud+breach+trust+c...