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kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I haven't see it. Was it better than Dion's keynote address to the same organization in 2008?

janfromthebruce

Brachina wrote:
OMFG enough all ready, Kropotkin you sound like your seven, SD continuing to reply to this silliness is just feeding the Trolls at this point. I have nothing more to say to the antimulcair forces its a waste of my time. Hopefully we can back to the subject at hand. Did anyone see the Panel that Mulcair was a part of at the Progressive Conference?

 

No, do you have a link. I would like to watch it. Thanks

Brachina

janfromthebruce wrote:

Brachina wrote:
OMFG enough all ready, Kropotkin you sound like your seven, SD continuing to reply to this silliness is just feeding the Trolls at this point. I have nothing more to say to the antimulcair forces its a waste of my time. Hopefully we can back to the subject at hand. Did anyone see the Panel that Mulcair was a part of at the Progressive Conference?

 

No, do you have a link. I would like to watch it. Thanks

 Sadly no, but I'm still looking.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Brachina wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Brachina wrote:
OMFG enough all ready, Kropotkin you sound like your seven, SD continuing to reply to this silliness is just feeding the Trolls at this point. I have nothing more to say to the antimulcair forces its a waste of my time. Hopefully we can back to the subject at hand. Did anyone see the Panel that Mulcair was a part of at the Progressive Conference?

 

No, do you have a link. I would like to watch it. Thanks

 Sadly no, but I'm still looking.

Just so that great insult/rant gets posted one more time

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Brachina wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Brachina wrote:
OMFG enough all ready, Kropotkin you sound like your seven, SD continuing to reply to this silliness is just feeding the Trolls at this point. I have nothing more to say to the antimulcair forces its a waste of my time. Hopefully we can back to the subject at hand. Did anyone see the Panel that Mulcair was a part of at the Progressive Conference?

 

No, do you have a link. I would like to watch it. Thanks

 Sadly no, but I'm still looking.

Just so that great insult/rant gets posted one more time

is that enough for you Brachina or maybe once more would feel better

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

socialdemocraticmiddle wrote:
There IS no effective leftward criticism of the NDP.

SD, can you please dial it down a little?

If you want the NDP to win in 2015, you actually need the critical lefties on board...donating time, energy, cash etc. to the next campaign...even if they do have to hold their nose while they do it.

Trying to shut down criticism will only cause them to not write those cheques, not knock on those doors, not make those phone calls and not pound in those signs.

These days my feelings towards the NDP are a lot like they were in 1995 after the Ontario NDP brought in the so-called "social contract" law against the public sector unions.    I was royally pissed as were a whole lot of activists.

But when the election campaign came, I got out and worked for the NDP's re-election.    It was not with a great deal of enthusiasm as it had been in 1990, but I knew that Mike Harris was going to be much much worse.

So, you have people like me who really don't like where Mulcair is taking the NDP but on the other hand also don't want another Harper government.   I don't think your quote above is going to win anyone over.

 

NorthReport

Tom and Olivia are both in the Vancouver area today helping Adrian Dix. Mulcair is at a union conference wondering why the federal Liberals are in hiding in BC and not out here supporting Premier Christy Clark.

 

NorthReport

Mulcair blasts Harper for putting banks before people 

Mulcair also accused the Prime Minister of using the temporary foreign workers to lower labour standards in this country.

"It's a heavy tendency on the part of the Conservatives. Twenty thousand miners looking for work in Canada and yet they signed off on a deal for a coal mine here in northern BC.   They're going to work to lower the conditions of employment of Canadians across the country. This is just the beginning of that attack."

Mulcair took aim at Liberal mp's, who he accuses of repeatedly voting in favour of legislation that hurts workers in this country.

Mulcair also defended his latest visit to BC at the same time the provincial new democrats are campaigning to become government, saying they have his full support.

 

http://www.cknw.com/news/vancouver/story.aspx?ID=1940335

Brachina

kropotkin1951 wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Brachina wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Brachina wrote:
OMFG enough all ready, Kropotkin you sound like your seven, SD continuing to reply to this silliness is just feeding the Trolls at this point. I have nothing more to say to the antimulcair forces its a waste of my time. Hopefully we can back to the subject at hand. Did anyone see the Panel that Mulcair was a part of at the Progressive Conference?

 

No, do you have a link. I would like to watch it. Thanks

 Sadly no, but I'm still looking.

Just so that great insult/rant gets posted one more time

is that enough for you Brachina or maybe once more would feel better

 Once more if it pleases you :p

 

 In all honesty I simply tired of going around and around in pointless circles and that is why I suggested to let you and your fellows comments slide off our backs as I see no point in retreading over spent ground. I rather spend my time fighting Liberals and Tories then you.

 And I only replied this time because you made me laugh 

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Tom and Olivia are both in the Vancouver area today helping Adrian Dix. Mulcair is at a union conference wondering why the federal Liberals are in hiding in BC and not out here supporting Premier Christy Clark.

 

http://tinyurl.com/ce3kup7

According to this recent EKOS poll of voting intention in BC, almost 4 in 10 people who intend to vote for the federal Liberals, intend to vote for the BC NDP while 45.6% are intending to vote for the BC Liberals. So it makes sense that the federal Liberals are not supporting the BC Liberals in the current BC election because their supporters are split between the BC NDP and BC Liberals.

The poll also shows that 79.2% of people who intend to vote for the federal NDP  are intending to vote for the BC NDP.

JKR

The poll also shows that almost half of the people who support the Conservatives federally are supporting the BC Liberals, while 30% of them are supporting the BC Conservatives, and only 16% are supporting the BC NDP. So the BC Liberals are getting more support from federal Conservative supporters than federal Liberal supporters.

Wilf Day

JKR wrote:
Supporting establishing another Carter Commission would also be a smart political move as it would allow the NDP to run on "tax fairness" instead of "increased taxation."

Bob Rae set up an Ontario Commission on Tax Fairness in his 1990-95 government. It did a great job, and nothing was done. A new Commission would only be a good idea if it was mandated to report within one year of the swearing-in of the new government.

Brian Glennie

NorthReport wrote:

Tom and Olivia are both in the Vancouver area today helping Adrian Dix. Mulcair is at a union conference wondering why the federal Liberals are in hiding in BC and not out here supporting Premier Christy Clark. 

 I bet they aren't there at the request of Adrian Dix. 

He won't benefit from Tom's Mr. Fake Nice Guy campaign and he doesn't need Jack's Ghost either.

I'd like to see the federal NDP leave well enough alone here.

 

Stockholm

What is "fake" about Tom being a nice guy? He IS a nice guy. I've met him and found him to be charming.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

I agree about Tom being a nice guy. Why is it that anything people say about Trudeau is immedaitely open to challenge, but if we say something favorable about Tom there is no way it could be true? I really wonder why that is. On his worst days there is one thing about Tom that is always true, he is more credible then Trudeau on anything. Really, what the hell do people want? Should Tom just shut up and let people define him, or should he try to prevent that, and in the process stick up for the NDP and ordinary Canadians. I'm just saying.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Olivia was in Burnaby campaigning for one of the four local candidates. Janet is not an incumbent and her riding like the rest of Burnaby has a lot of Chinese Canadians.

 

 

http://www.burnabynow.com/news/stars+shed+light+city+races/8253902/story...

janfromthebruce

Funny seeing Trudeau say that the federal Liberals would not get involved in a provincial election in BC. Trudeau already showing his hypocritsy and saying one thing hoping nobody catches him out.

It wasn't too long ago that a byelection was held in Kitchener/Waterloo in Ontario, and Trudeau Jr. put out a robocall on election day to all voters in the area, asking them to vote for the Ontario Liberal candidate.

Captain Canada (Robo)calling: Ontario Liberals deploy Justin Trudeau to deliver national unity-themed anti-NDP pitch in Kitchener by-election

Just hours before the polls were set to close in Kitchener-Waterloo, embattled provincial Liberals launched a last-ditch effort to turn an Ontario by-election into, of all things, a referendum on the federal NDP's position on Quebec succession -- with more than a little help from Liberal MP Justin Trudeau, who took time away from his busy schedule of playing coy on future leadership ambitions to hit the telephonic hustings, robocall-style:

But to put it in its proper perspective

Cameron Holmstrom@northwesternladIn Trudeau's next robocalls I expect him to also tell us how forcing special legislation on teachers will save the country #kitwat #cdnpoli

So Trudeau Jr. pushing a supposed federal issue at the provincial level and suggeting they vote Liberal because supporting the Liberals who like to remove "Charter rights" (free association and right to collectively bargain) is just dandy with Trudeau who loves to wrap himself in the Charter when it suits him, but not actually walk the talk, as we see here.

Okay, it was a sideline. But it shows that Trudeau doesn't have a problem supporting his provincial Liberal brethran when it suits him.

And I'm glad that Tom, Olivia and other NDP MPs are out helping.

Brachina

Of course Tom has the support of Dix to be there, why wouldn't he?

Look Tom may not be as popular as Justin, but he's also not hated, its that not enough people know anything about his character yet and that Justin's last name blocks out the sun.

I've never met Tom in person, but I've seen him give speeches and he's no Harper, he's more charming.

janfromthebruce

Oh, look here where Trudeau says he's a "team player" Trudeau's fear mongering robo calls in by-election

Asked about the call the next day, Trudeau said he did it because he's a team player. " Liberals in Ontario asked me to help out in their byelections, and I recorded voice drops for both." 

At press time, no reports of calls in Vaughan, which were recorded last week, have been reported, but according to Trudeau, it had a "different message."

What's funny is that in BC, big time Ontario Libs are helping out the election team of BC Libs, with a big time Martin Lib.

Brachina

janfromthebruce wrote:

Oh, look here where Trudeau says he's a "team player" Trudeau's fear mongering robo calls in by-election

Asked about the call the next day, Trudeau said he did it because he's a team player. " Liberals in Ontario asked me to help out in their byelections, and I recorded voice drops for both." 

At press time, no reports of calls in Vaughan, which were recorded last week, have been reported, but according to Trudeau, it had a "different message."

What's funny is that in BC, big time Ontario Libs are helping out the election team of BC Libs, with a big time Martin Lib.

Justin is such a tool.

And having Ontario big name Liberals helping Clark won't save her government.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

All this proves what I have been saying for weeks. We know Trudeau will do this as long as he can get away with it. We need to start making this an issue and start talking about how it shows his prolems with character. This means pushing like crazy on this; Tom needs to get under Trudeau's skin and stay there. Its simple.

janfromthebruce

I don't think that is the best tactic Arthur. The NDP needs to stay focussed on the HarperCons. Trudeau is just a irritant.

MegB

I've been holding my nose and voting NDP for years. Partly because they're the only significant political party that comes close to my values, and partly because the party has members who I admire (Joe Comartin, Nathan Cullen, Libby Davies). My only alternative to voting NDP would be to not vote at all.

That said, when Mulcair was elected, I resigned my membership. My husband, who is CAW and is a member, is of the opinion that at least "he's not Brian Topp". I don't have much to say on that because neither was my choice for leader. Despite my issues with the NDP, it saddens me to see the party going the way of the UK's Labour party under Tony Blair. I will continue to vote NDP, but I think I'll need a couple of gravol to go with my pinched nostrils.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

"Trudeau is an irritant". Jan, Boy, have you EVER got that right!

knownothing knownothing's picture

No offense, but I think you are exaggerating the rightward shift under Tom. The NDP has never looked better.

Do you watch question period?

 

janfromthebruce

Funny but I supported Brian Topp who actually would come onto Babble during elections or right after to thank us for our support and of course critiques, and suggestions. Each to their own.

I don't see the party going all Tony Blair, but under Cullen how much Tony Blair could we have got with the cooperation thingy. And I also like Cullen. If you like Cullen, what was it? Because for Cullen, he saw the libs as progressive.

All this aside, I see our front bench is so strong and able to step up and handle the press, the house and their portfolios. The focus hasn't changed and nor the direction. Focussing just on the leader means we have all bought into the MSM.

My fav MPs are Charlie Angus, Megan Leslie, Andrew Cash, Olivia Chow, Linda Duncan, and some of the young Quebec MPs, particularly Alexandre B. I like Romeo. Geez, Tom is doing fine.

NorthReport

Why, as it's the same party?

 

Brian Glennie wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Tom and Olivia are both in the Vancouver area today helping Adrian Dix. Mulcair is at a union conference wondering why the federal Liberals are in hiding in BC and not out here supporting Premier Christy Clark. 

 I bet they aren't there at the request of Adrian Dix. 

He won't benefit from Tom's Mr. Fake Nice Guy campaign and he doesn't need Jack's Ghost either.

I'd like to see the federal NDP leave well enough alone here.

 

knownothing knownothing's picture

No kidding. What's wrong with a little solidarity?

NorthReport

Obviously Christy Clark is not doing the Liberal cause any good anywhere in Canada, let alone in BC.

Trudeau should be here defending his Liberal buddies, and I'm sure Clark has been begging him to come and help her.

 

Brian Topp, Brad Lavigne and Ann McGrath I understand are all involved in the BC NDP campaign. That is the way the NDP functions and has functioned since its inception.

janfromthebruce

Brian Topp, Brad Lavigne and Ann McGrath - the NDP Orange Crush Dream Team - yeah

knownothing knownothing's picture

Yeah Mulcair had nothing to do with sweeping Quebec, right

NorthReport

kwng

Typical Liberal revisionist history

Just like LiberaL Rick Salutin who never had a kind wird to say about the NDP is now so concerned about the changes to the preamble. Right!

What a stamin' pile.

It was a great convention, the NDP are incredibly fortunate to have such a great leader presently, and my hunch is that the NDP will be forming the government in 2015, just like they will win in BC on May 14th.

 

knownothing wrote:

Yeah Mulcair had nothing to do with sweeping Quebec, right

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Obviously Christy Clark is not doing the Liberal cause any good anywhere in Canada, let alone in BC.

Trudeau should be here defending his Liberal buddies, and I'm sure Clark has been begging him to come and help her.

Points for Trudeau if he's astute enough to distance himself from the toxic BC Liberal Party. Clark and her predessesor Campbell are pretty cushy with the Harper Conservatives and everyone who is paying attention knows it.

 

NorthReport

More Liberal talking points, and that's not points, that Liberal cowardice!

Trudeau should show some courage and come here to BC to try to help his Liberal buddy Christy. People in BC will be remembering to ask themselves in 2015 where Trudeau was during the 2013 BC election. 

A Liberal leader should stand with his Liberal cohorts through thick and thin. That however takes political courage

 

laine lowe wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Obviously Christy Clark is not doing the Liberal cause any good anywhere in Canada, let alone in BC.

Trudeau should be here defending his Liberal buddies, and I'm sure Clark has been begging him to come and help her.

Points for Trudeau if he's astute enough to distance himself from the toxic BC Liberal Party. Clark and her predessesor Campbell are pretty cushy with the Harper Conservatives and everyone who is paying attention knows it.

 

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

I totally disagree. I think Danny Williams was an example of the reverse where he REFUSED to support Harper and distanced his Progressive Conservative Party from the brand that was seated in Parliament Hill. Labels mean nothing when they misrepresent policy.

IOW, Harper is NOT a Progressive Conservative and Clark/Campbell are not Liberals.

JKR

The BC Liberals are a coalition of "blue liberals" and conservatives so neither Harper nor Trudeau will be taking part in BC's provincial election.

It would also be silly to expect Harper to support the BC Conservatives as more conservatives support the BC Liberals.

It makes sense for Mulcair to support the BC NDP because BC'ers who support the federal NDP generally support the BC NDP.

The BC NDP is a coalition of federal NDP'ers and "red liberals" which is another reason Trudeau is not in a position to take a partisan role for the BC election.

janfromthebruce

laine lowe wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Obviously Christy Clark is not doing the Liberal cause any good anywhere in Canada, let alone in BC.

Trudeau should be here defending his Liberal buddies, and I'm sure Clark has been begging him to come and help her.

Points for Trudeau if he's astute enough to distance himself from the toxic BC Liberal Party. Clark and her predessesor Campbell are pretty cushy with the Harper Conservatives and everyone who is paying attention knows it.

 

Except, the crew helping Clark are McGuinty (Lib ON) loyal red team: Clark announced she has hired Ben Chin, former director of media relations to retiring Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty.
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Christy+Clark+hires+former+McGuinty+aide+another+office+shuffle/7644379/story.html#ixzz2QyIRoJ00

Recently Chin had been working for federal Liberal leadership candidate Justin Trudeau.

Oh look, Don Guy, recently parachuted in to handle communications and research for Ms. Clark’s election campaign. Meet Don Guy, the ‘godfather of Queen’s Park’

He’s a McGuinty Liberal, heart and soul. He hasn’t been Premier Dalton McGuinty’s chief of staff since 2007 but it’s said he’s the godfather of Queen’s Park, vetting staffers and making ministers quiver.

The Christy Clark team is drawn from her long-time loyalists, leaning to the federal Liberal side of the political spectrum. Her long-time strategist Mike McDonald is campaign director. Michele Cadario, a top Paul Martin Liberal adviser, is deputy campaign director.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/which-campaign-team-will-win-the-pull/article9867855/

So to suggest that Lib Clark's campaign team is made up of Harper Cons is so wrong that it makes me laugh. Her main campaign team is coming right of Liberal ON - McGuinty & Paul Martin who are big backers of Trudeau.

And just in case one still wants to believe that tale, here is more:

The federal Conservatives would still rather see Ms. Clark in power than Mr. Dix, and are at least notionally behind the B.C. Liberals. But the war room isn’t getting much help from the Harper team. The key Conservative in the room is pollster Dimitri Pantazopoulos. B.C. Liberal MLA Rich Coleman, the campaign chair, is the most public face of the Conservative brand.

Beyond that, there are key advisers including the Premier’s brother, Bruce Clark; her ex-husband Mark Marissen, who also has deep federal Liberal roots. But many federal Liberal campaign warriors are wrapped up in the national leadership race.

Luring Don Guy is something of a coup – he is credited with Dalton McGuinty’s victories in Ontario. In fact that is his task, to pull off another heroic turnaround. But even Mr. Guy didn’t pull off those Ontario victories overnight and this is the NDP advantage. Putting together a team – especially one that requires federal adversaries to play nicely together in the provincial sandbox – is not an easy task.

 

I know it may be hard for some to see it but Trudeau's Liberal backers and movers and shakers in that party are out helping Lib Christie Clark.

JKR

Does anyone think Trudeau's going to endorse the BC Liberals?

I don't see it happening.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

knownothing knownothing's picture

No way. The image of him and Stockwell Day on the same team would finish him off.

NorthReport

Disagree all you want but is Trudeau refusing to support Clark? No, he is just slinking away hoping no one will notice.

Sorry that is not political courage, that is political cowardice.

Let's at least have an honest discussion here. Christy Clark is another Liberal liar in the very long list of Liberal liars.

 

laine lowe wrote:

I totally disagree. I think Danny Williams was an example of the reverse where he REFUSED to support Harper and distanced his Progressive Conservative Party from the brand that was seated in Parliament Hill. Labels mean nothing when they misrepresent policy.

IOW, Harper is NOT a Progressive Conservative and Clark/Campbell are not Liberals.

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

Disagree all you want but is Trudeau refusing to support Clark? No, he is just slinking away hoping no one will notice.

Sorry that is not political courage, that is political cowardice.

Let's at least have an honest discussion here. Christy Clark is another Liberal liar in the very long list of Liberal liars.

Disagree all you want but is Harper refusing to support Clark? No, he is just slinking away hoping no one will notice.

Sorry that is not political courage, that is political cowardice.

Let's at least have an honest discussion here. Christy Clark is another conservative liar in the very long list of conservative liars.

NorthReport

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NorthReport

This is so typical of Liberals.

When things were going good for the BC Liberals, federal Liberals were falling over themselves to be part of it.  Now that the BC Liberal Premier is totally discredited and has made an absolute fool of whatever it is that she stands for, Liberals want to slink away. Sorry Liberals but you are stuck with her. Have some courage here and stick up for one of your own.

 Liberal Warren Kinsella is absolutely correct. Trudeau may be the Leader but Martin's people are still in control, and that is definitely going to be a losing proposition for the federal Liberals. 

JKR wrote:
NorthReport wrote:

Disagree all you want but is Trudeau refusing to support Clark? No, he is just slinking away hoping no one will notice.

Sorry that is not political courage, that is political cowardice.

Let's at least have an honest discussion here. Christy Clark is another Liberal liar in the very long list of Liberal liars.

Disagree all you want but is Harper refusing to support Clark? No, he is just slinking away hoping no one will notice.

Sorry that is not political courage, that is political cowardice.

Let's at least have an honest discussion here. Christy Clark is another conservative liar in the very long list of conservative liars.

JKR

NorthReport wrote:

This is so typical of Liberals.

When things were going good for the BC Liberals, federal Liberals were falling over themselves to be part of it.  Now that the BC Liberal Premier is totally discredited and has made an absolute fool of whatever it is that she stands for, Liberals want to slink away. Sorry Liberals but you are stuck with her. Have some courage here and stick up for one of your own.

Who are you addressing this paranoid partisan schoolyard level taunting diatribe to? You don't have to worry about the Liberal "red menace" on rabble as Liberal supporters basically don't frequent this site. You're attacking ghosts.

NorthReport

Tom Mulcair joins B.C. NDP leader Adrian Dix at campaign rally

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mulcair+joins+leader+Adrian+campaign+r...

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Tom can use the boost in BC. Smart political move on Mulcair's part to get some exposure by standing with Dix.

knownothing knownothing's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Tom can use the boost in BC. Smart political move on Mulcair's part to get some exposure by standing with Dix.

It is only fair. By 2015, Dix will be at midterm. Vaughan Palmer and the rest of the media will whip up the anti-NDP sentiment in BC over the next two years so that they will most likely become a liability to Mulcair by that point.

Stockholm

PS, Warren Kinsella tweeted yesterday that Nick Kouvalis the ultra rightwing henchman to Rob Ford is the secret pollster/strategist for the Bc Liberals in this election.

http://warrenkinsella.com/2013/04/pollster-wars-with-bonus-b-c-election-...

Centrist

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Tom can use the boost in BC. Smart political move on Mulcair's part to get some exposure by standing with Dix.

If I were Tom I would stay out of the BC election campaign. The media and the BC Libs might start using that as a wedge issue. Why?

 

1. Adrian supports the Clarity Act, while Tom opposes same and supports the 50%+1 Quebec separation clause;

2. Adrian supports fracking, while Tom opposes fracking. Fracking is how BC produces its natural gas and leads to the LNG issue, which the BC Libs are touting as one of their campaign planks;

3. And natural gas and LNG leads to "Dutch Disease" potentially caused by BC, which again plays into the hands of the BC Libs; 

Brachina

Tom wants more transparency in fracking, especially when it comes to fracking fluid, so I wouldn't say he opposes.

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