Time to start reining in some of these high-priced civil servants across Canada!

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NorthReport
Time to start reining in some of these high-priced civil servants across Canada!

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Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

How much did HIS orange juice cost?

Unionist

Please correct "reigning" to "reining" in the thread title. Thanks!

And Québec Solidaire has just launched a campaign to establish a "maximum wage" for top executives of companies that receive government loans, subsidies, or investments - a maximum ratio of 10:1, i.e., no more than 10 times the salary of the lowest paid employees of the company.

Sign if you agree.

Mobo2000

Agreed and signed.   Great campaign.

quizzical

what 10 times the amount? is this serious?

NorthReport

At the Dave Barrett memorial, former BC NDP Cabinet Minister Bob Williams who, if the truth be known, was probably the the person most responsible for the BC NDP shakeup that cost Carole James her leadership role, but which actually started the BC NDP on their present road to victory, stated that the government really didn't need the civil service (Bob was, I'm sure, referring to the top bureaucrats). It was hilarious to see following speakers try to reassure the audience, many of whom were civil servants,  that the civil service was indeed needed. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Sign if you agree.

Is it helpful if a non-resident of Quebec signs?  And is this a petition, to be presented to someone, or are QS just getting feedback?

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

I signed the petition because I love the initiative, but yes, I wonder whether my thumbs up will go in the dustbin given that I am in Manitoba.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Unionist wrote:

Please correct "reigning" to "reining" in the thread title. Thanks!

And Québec Solidaire has just launched a campaign to establish a "maximum wage" for top executives of companies that receive government loans, subsidies, or investments - a maximum ratio of 10:1, i.e., no more than 10 times the salary of the lowest paid employees of the company.

Sign if you agree.

Do you have to be a Quebec resident and a Canadian citizen to sign that?  If not, I gladly will.

Mobo2000

It doesn't ask if you are a Quebec citizen, I signed it successfully and I'm not.

WWWTT

I tried signing (I think) but was directed to Facebook. And that was the end of it

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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It doesn't ask if you are a Quebec citizen, I signed it successfully and I'm not.

Yes, I almost signed it, and it looked like it would let me, but I also don't wish to 'taint' a petition, if that's what this is.

Unionist

Hi folks - sorry, been away from here a couple days and just noticed the questions. They're good ones, and I don't have ready answers, so I've forwarded them to QS. Hope to have a reply by tomorrow! In any event, the support is much appreciated.

Unionist

Here's the reply I got from Québec Solidaire:

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Comme c'est une mesure qui serait appliquée au Québec, il est peu utile qu'ils signent. Comme c'est une proposition électorale, nous ne déposerons pas la pétition à l'Assemblée nationale; il s'agit davantage d'une déclaration d'appui.

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As it's a measure which would be applied in Québec, it's not really helpful if they [non-Quebecers] sign. Given that it's an election platform item, we won't file it as a petition in the National Assembly. It's more a declaration of support.

Kind of what I thought, but there's still no doubt that support is appreciated from all quarters. Maybe we could kick off a parallel campaign in ROC?

Sean in Ottawa

Unionist wrote:

Here's the reply I got from Québec Solidaire:

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Comme c'est une mesure qui serait appliquée au Québec, il est peu utile qu'ils signent. Comme c'est une proposition électorale, nous ne déposerons pas la pétition à l'Assemblée nationale; il s'agit davantage d'une déclaration d'appui.

My translation:

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As it's a measure which would be applied in Québec, it's not really helpful if they [non-Quebecers] sign. Given that it's an election platform item, we won't file it as a petition in the National Assembly. It's more a declaration of support.

Kind of what I thought, but there's still no doubt that support is appreciated from all quarters. Maybe we could kick off a parallel campaign in ROC?

I think that this is a good idea.

I have written about this idea a few times here. I have questionned minimum wage as only a partial measure and really a lowest common denominator. This is why I have long wanted to see a maximum wage where busiensses that produce more money can be pressed to to pay employees more. As a practical solution capping exec salaries to a function of the lowest employee give an incentive at the top to increase all salaries.

I love this model and think it is a very good idea.

I also think that in a union environment it might be an interesting demand to make the top salaries also a function of the bottom. It is common that unionized workers are pressed to accept low wages, even decreases in bargaining while the CEO make more. This is an example of a measure that does not just regulate the bottom teir of workers but puts a requirement for greater equity throughout.

Now there is one problem here and that relates to international trade. We cannot just address Canadian workers as it could put them at disadantage. Such a legislation has to apply to the company and its contractors in any jurisdiction. I recognize that this is a challenge but an important one given the need to address jobs as well as wages.

We need to find a way to address the labour component in products and services sold in Canada not just what is produced here. The answers are not easy but this is fundamental to international trade. It is a problem that Canadian raw materials are exported to other countries for workers paid less than a legal Canadian wage do the processing and then sent back here in the form of consumer products.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

FWIW, I started trying to sign because of this:

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And Québec Solidaire has just launched a campaign to establish a "maximum wage" for top executives of companies that receive government loans, subsidies, or investments

I wouldn't have started if this was supposed to apply to companies who are NOT receiving any public money.

If some of that money used to be mine, then I should have a say, as with the use of any public money.  But if a company isn't taking money out of the public purse then it's really not my business.  If they want to spend millions on a perpetual motion machine or the fountain of youth or pyramids for their dead, that's for them to decide, if I'm not bankrolling it.

Unionist

Agreed, Magoo. It's one thing to tax private corporations, force them to respect minimal labour standards, human rights rules, etc. But telling them how much to pay their executives (beyond minimum wage, that is lol), if we (society) aren't funding those corporations in any way, would require a very revolutionary change in the way our society operates. At a minimum, I'd think it would require nationalization, and we don't do that unless there's a strong public interest reason. In fact, we no longer do it even where there is a strong public interest reason.

I think QS's concept is very bold, but strikes a balance and has a rationale that is hard to challenge. Sort of analogous to trade deals - "you want to trade with us, here are the minimal labour and environmental standards you'll need to observe". I hope it takes off.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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At a minimum, I'd think it would require nationalization, and we don't do that unless there's a strong public interest reason.

Not to split any hairs, but if we go ahead and nationalize some industries/companies, I might wonder why we had to do that (like nationalizing barber shops) but once it's a done deal, they can go ahead and do as any other Crown corporation.

For me, the thing is that I can't demand that Elon Musk not waste so much money on space shit, unless my tax dollars are clearly and directly funding Elon Musk.  Does that make sense?

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

For me, the thing is that I can't demand that Elon Musk not waste so much money on space shit, unless my tax dollars are clearly and directly funding Elon Musk.  Does that make sense?

If you were a U.S. taxpayer, your tax dollars would indeed be funding Mr. Musk's enterprises.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Thanks for that.  I didn't know that he nursed at the public teat.  I guess U.S. taxpayers do have some some room to make demands of his companies, if they're underwriting them.

But I still suggest that if a Canadian company isn't directly receiving taxpayer money, it's not our business how they conduct their business (in the context of executive pay).

 

Unionist

Mr. Magoo wrote:
But I still suggest that if a Canadian company isn't directly receiving taxpayer money, it's not our business how they conduct their business (in the context of executive pay).

Well, I agreed with you. The QS campaign also agrees with you. So I'm not following your argumentative tone here... If we're all agreed, then let's replicate the QS campaign all across Canada. You want our money? Here are the rules.

NorthReport

Sounds good Unionist!