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KenS

ravenj wrote:

[Mulcair] will put the parliament wing of the party in shape as a government-in-waiting. Indeed he had said during the press conference that he knows Canadians want to see good public administration from the NDP.

I am very excited about the next three years!

We have gotten better public administration from the Nova Scotia NDP government. And this is generally recognized.

I expected before we got there that we would get better public administration.

I also expected that we would probably get nothing more than that from this government.

I was right on both counts.

The response to that is typically- "well, the NDP has to make sure that it is re-assuring voters."

I agree that re-assuring needs to happen. But you also have to build in the capacity to actually do something- or you get nothing.

Once you have cast your lot with 'caution' and 're-assuring', when does that end being virtually the sole pre-occupation?

I've talked here about the cautionary tale of the NDP government making really deep cuts- that at least to a degree had to happen. But the question is, when do we get something else? AND, how much of this is a prediatable consequence of having been unwilling before being elected to talk honestly about the fiscal situation and what it requires?

The replies here have been mostly "Well, thats the first term. Its understandable, after things are motre in order and people are re-assured we arent crazy tax and spend..."

The Premeir just enlightened us on that one. Here we are, still in the middle of vicious cuts to schools and health care- the bottom of which no one knows yet, And Dexter is musing that 'Since things are going so well, we may be able to look at cutting income taxes." ??!!

 

 

KenS

I'm not trying to re-run the race, or to argue that we have to watch Mulcair like a hawk. That would be fruitless.

I have heard a number of people on this board say that the wanted Mulcair because it is best to have a figure like him, and then we have the party base making sure he does the right thing.

Admittedly, I thought that was foolish. But I do agree 100% with having an engaged base that does not just leave the party elites to go where they will, while just carping from the sidelines.

It is definitely not too early to get serious about this.

Winston

There definitely seems to be a renewed public interest in the NDP these days, judging by the amount of comments on news articles in the mainstream press - 3 of the 5 most "popular" articles on the G&M website are about Mulcair and the NDP.

What is interesting is the number of posters I normally associate as Liberal sympathizers who are sounding pretty NDP in their posts lately.

Definitely going to be an interesting 3 years.

KenS

JeffWells wrote:

Everything I've seen and heard from Mulcair tells me he's within the Layton Continuum. I had some issues with where Jack was leading the party, and I'll have some going forward with Mulcair, but it's not as though this is an entirely new path we're on. It's just that the path is more clearly lit. That's a good thing for everyone.

In what sense is it more clearly lit? I dont know what you mean.

A number of people have made that point that Layton was also generally centrist in his positioning. Which I agree with.

But there is another side to the 'Layton Continuum'. Jack had the strategic savvy and the determination to push the envelope in a few places. One was the early positioning on afghanistan. Another was builing up the political astute as well as 'policy wonk good' climate change package. Another was differentiating the NDP on corporate taxes, and going against the grain of NDP avioding being front and centre on that.

What have you seen and heard from Mulcair that tells you we will still get those too?

I have seen more than one contrary indication. But the easiest is the tax agenda first advanced by Topp, but also by that other establisment figure, radical, and lets do things the same old way figure: Nathan Cullen. I'm pretty sure that Jack would have been taking us there. What are we to make of Mulcair saying that it is too risky?

Calculated moves where we are ready to go was the Layton hallmark, it was part of the 'Layton Continuum' too.

Brachina

The tories attacks against Mulcair so far lack the subtly of thier attacks against Dion and iggy.

Compare he's not here for you and he didn't get the job done to vicous socialist, and opportunitist and a whole host of other unfocused attacks against Mulcair.

If this laughable drivel is the best the cons can do, then they're attack machine has truely jumped the shark.

KenS

Those are just easy pot shots of whats available at the moment.

The attack ads of the 'quality' which with they skewered Dion and Iggy- we have not seen those yet. Nor even their softening up precursors.

Maybe a bit later is a better time for them to do that, but my guess is that we'll start seeing the attack ads and/or the prior softening up narrative as soon as they have all the elements in place.

NorthReport

No wonder Dobbin is upset. Dobbin is a Liberal, and he knows Mulcair will now be putting the final nails in the LPC coffin. Laughing

 

The reality is the NDP far exceeded expectations during the last election. Now we are so close we can taste the power of becoming the federal government, and we have a leader who likes to win. What more could a longtime NDP supporter like me ask for.

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"No wonder Dobbin is upset. Dobbin is a Liberal, and he knows Mulcair will now be putting the final nails in the LPC coffin."

The idea that Murray Dobbin carries any brief for the LPC is arrant nonsense. A good starting point is his scathing portrait of Paul Martin in Paul Martin: CEO for Canada.

http://www.quillandquire.com/reviews/review.cfm?review_id=3633

KenS

Coldwell wrote:

"...and let's not forget that it was none other than Brian Topp and Brad Lavigne who spearheaded efforts to make the exact same change to the party constitution last year. This is part of what made me skeptical that the "polarity" between Topp and Mulcair was ever really about ideology."

I agree up to a point. Topp's efforts last year to replace the preamble of the NDP Constitution with a few platitudes about equality did indeed cast doubt on his credentials as a standard-bearer of the left.

However, by nailing his colours to the mast of social democratic principles, the nature and significance of Topp's mandate (had he won the leadership) would have been very different from Mulcair's. Under Topp, or any of the other candidates (save Singh), the left would have been in a stronger position to defend what remains of the party's historic commitment to democratic socialism.

Mulcair has a much freer hand to re-invent the party. And, of course, the media are already writing the script for him.

 

NorthReport

It is certainly refreshing to have some perspective on what happened, and what is going on, within the NDP.
Out here in BC we do expect the NDP to win even though we have not won since , but we will be winning the next provincial election slated for next year.

NDP leadership ballots show two different approaches to future of party

 

http://billtieleman.blogspot.ca/2012/03/ndp-leadership-first-ballot-resu...

 

Fascinating results from the NDP leadership first ballot show the two competing approaches for the future of the party:

1) Move to the centre to better compete with the Conservatives and win in 2015 while further marginalizing the Liberals or:

2) Focus on social democratic principles and build support for a more left of centre alternative.

Thomas Mulcair, Nathan Cullen and Martin Singh fall into the first approach.

Peggy Nash, Brian Topp and perhaps Paul Dewar and Niki Ashton take the second view.

And that, given the first ballot vote, appears to me to be the significant philosophical battle underway today - both in the leadership campaign and in the party itself.

But none of this should be overemphasized.  The most centrist NDP imaginable is still way to the left of the most liberal Liberal Party, even under ex-NDPer Bob Rae.

KenS

And just to be sure- jumping the shark can be very effective. IE, "jumping the shark" in the sense of should be patently obvious how unreasonable it is.

Unfortunately, that "should be" is not just a pro forma qualifier.

KenS

Mucker wrote:

Ryan1812 wrote:

Here's a question: What does Mulcair need to do as far as policy to win Saskatchewan and Manitoba? I assume it would take a different tact to win Sask/Man then it would to win Alberta. Thoughts?

The first thing is to stop talking about the 1990s-2000s Sask NDP as an example of successful NDP government. The vast majority of the province is currently very down on the provincial NDP. Even a significant number of NDPers (myself included) are disillusioned. This is one place where I actually think Layton went wrong quite often. He would constantly refer to the Sask NDP as a successful example of working / effective NDP government. I would cringe each time I heard him say this.

Kind of wandering away from the topic.
But this seems to be a universal pahological tendency.
When in Halifax every one of the candidates heaped praise on the government- including all those running on the left.
When this government has been pissing off its base from day one.
Pissing off the base goes with the territory for NDP governments. Still. And I certainly understand the pragmatics of not criticizong NDP governments. But when talking to the base, whay always go out of your way to praise them? It definitely sets a lot of members to questiong judgement.

 

Lachine Scot

I posted this in the last thread after the 100 mark, so I'll repost it here.

skip2 wrote:

Murray Dobbin also begs to differ. According to his Tyee article, today, NDPers (and increasing numbers of Canadians in general, sadly) simply aren't paying attention.

Huh. I think he's missing the point on the Quebec issue and why many progressives (like me) voted for Mulcair. It's not because we like him, but because we want to retain and expand the influence of the dozens of progressive MPs elected in Quebec last year. To me, it's important enough to make me swallow my reservations and vote for a leader who is to the right of me. Let's not forget, although many progressives from Quebec hate him and see him as being some kind of far-right figure, in the context of the ROC he is still pretty progressive.

Now, let's all sit back and watch him do some fucked up stuff that will make me regret voting for him :/

 

Caissa

Isn't this thread and its predecessor 3 years premature?

Brachina

Caissa wrote:

Isn't this thread and its predecessor 3 years premature?

Nope.

The campaign for government starts today. The battle has already began with the Tories sights on us already.

Eday maybe in 2015, but the election started today in all, but name.

Caissa

I look forward to reading TM4PM # 52 369 the day after the 2015 election.

NDPP

Canada: NDP Frays Over Mulcair's Candidacy for Party Leader  -  by Carl Bronski

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/mar2012/cndp-m23.shtml

"...There is no doubt that Mulcair seeks to move the NDP further to the right (See: Canada: Front Runner for NDP Leader Considered Joining Harper), But the trajectory he is following is that uniformly pursued by social democratic parties the world over.."

NorthReport

Jobs is his priority - sounds good to moi. That, more than any other issue, is where we need to focus if we are to form government.

Excellent beginning for Tom!

 

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/mulcair-tackles-budget-plans-in-...

NorthReport

Great presser for Tom, not at all on the defense, very much in control of his agenda. The guy's brilliant and has done his homework.

bekayne

Brachina wrote:
The tories attacks against Mulcair so far lack the subtlety of thier attacks against Dion and iggy.

Subtlety? Are you kidding?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Caissa wrote:
I look forward to reading TM4PM # 52 369 the day after the 2015 election.

Just kill me now.

Mucker

KenS wrote:

Mucker wrote:

Ryan1812 wrote:

Here's a question: What does Mulcair need to do as far as policy to win Saskatchewan and Manitoba? I assume it would take a different tact to win Sask/Man then it would to win Alberta. Thoughts?

The first thing is to stop talking about the 1990s-2000s Sask NDP as an example of successful NDP government. The vast majority of the province is currently very down on the provincial NDP. Even a significant number of NDPers (myself included) are disillusioned. This is one place where I actually think Layton went wrong quite often. He would constantly refer to the Sask NDP as a successful example of working / effective NDP government. I would cringe each time I heard him say this.

Kind of wandering away from the topic.
But this seems to be a universal pahological tendency.
When in Halifax every one of the candidates heaped praise on the government- including all those running on the left.
When this government has been pissing off its base from day one.
Pissing off the base goes with the territory for NDP governments. Still. And I certainly understand the pragmatics of not criticizong NDP governments. But when talking to the base, whay always go out of your way to praise them? It definitely sets a lot of members to questiong judgement.

 

Agreed.  Layton always received a lot of praise (and rightly so) for his understanding of Quebec politics.  I think it was Chantal Hebert who characterized him as being able to "speak to Quebecers in their political language", or words to that effect.  We need a leader who can speak the provincial / regional language in other parts of the country as well.  As a Saskatchewan progressive, I always felt pangs that Layton was out of touch with the goings on in my province when he would point to our provincial NDP government as a success.

This same logic applies to the NDP personalities associated with those governments: the Mackinnons, Atkinsons, Romanows, etc.  These people are not widely revered outside of the very entrenched NDP base.  Holding them up as glowing examples of progressive politics in action will, in all likelihood, have the opposite affect Mulcair will want in an effort to broaden the NDP's appeal.

NorthReport

Good!
New Opposition leader Mulcair attacks Tory economy

 

http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120326/mulcair-opposi...

Brachina

bekayne wrote:

Brachina wrote:
The tories attacks against Mulcair so far lack the subtlety of thier attacks against Dion and iggy.

Subtlety? Are you kidding?

To be blunt yes. The tag line is "not worth the risk" not exactly firebreathing and not enough to set off bullshit detecters, but enough over time of constant repitition to sow doubts about,Dion. Focused attack too, hitting the same spot every time.

Now compare that to the attack against Mulcair which sounded like a conbot reject wrote it. They through every insult they could, including viscous which makes them sound like hypocrits and foolish. No focus, they were all over the place and it came off so over the top that bullshit detectors get set off and Mulcair could laugh it off with ease, mockery effective neautralizing it.

Three strikes and your out. First came the Duel citizenship attack, he deflected it with ease. Then came the he wanted a con cabinate post attack, but that was so stupid no one with a lick of sense bought it. Now this all over the place attack, utterly sloppy, a simple act of mocking it and its dead on arrival.

A positive series of ads about Mulcair will further under mine the cons ability to deal damage.

Btw I hear Bob Rae is still begging for money for counter attack ads, while the NDP is already ready to go with ads and the money for them. The liberals get more donations then we do, how the fuck are they always broke?

iancosh

NDPP wrote:

Canada: NDP Frays Over Mulcair's Candidacy for Party Leader  -  by Carl Bronski

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/mar2012/cndp-m23.shtml

"...There is no doubt that Mulcair seeks to move the NDP further to the right (See: Canada: Front Runner for NDP Leader Considered Joining Harper), But the trajectory he is following is that uniformly pursued by social democratic parties the world over.."

 

Wow, these WSWS folks are a blast. From the same article:

 

Quote:

"The misnamed Socialist Caucus, whose leader is the longtime Pabloite Barry Weisleder, concedes that “none” of the seven candidates proposes a clean break with the pro-capitalist direction of the party”... It then proceeds to provide all manner of arguments to endorse bottom-tier candidate Niki Ashton..."

 

"The misnamed Socialist Caucus", ha!

 

Quote:

"The International Marxist Tendency-affiliated Fightback group is also plumping for Ashton. Like the Socialist Caucus, Fightback has to concede the obvious: all of the candidates uphold capitalism. But nonetheless it instruct its members and supporters to vote for Ashton and give secondary preferences to Nash, Topp, and Dewar, in that order, with a view towards defeating the “liberal Blairite faction” led by Mulcair. Fightback hastens to add, however, that in the event of a “Blairite” victory it will remain ever loyal to the NDP.

In their slavish support for social democracy (and the trade union bureaucracy), Fightback is no different than the whole gamut of fake left groups operating either inside the NDP or on its fringes. Under conditions of the greatest capitalist crisis since the Great Depression, they work systematically to uphold the political authority and legitimacy of the social democrats and the trade unions, claiming that, despite decades of abject betrayal, these enforcers of capitalist austerity and arch-defenders of the capitalist social order can be pressured into serving as instruments of working class struggle."

 

Well, here's one group of people that's not feeling too badly about Topp losing to Mulcair. Everything is relative!

Doug

Brachina wrote:

mocking it and its dead on arrival. A positive series of ads about Mulcair will further under mine the cons ability to deal damage. Btw I hear Bob Rae is still begging for money for counter attack ads, while the NDP is already ready to go with ads and the money for them. The liberals get more donations then we do, how the fuck are they always broke?

 

A couple of reasons. Some of the issue with the Rae ads isn't money, it's Liberals who don't want Rae to use party money to fund something that would essentially be ads for his permanent leadership bid. The money issues come from the Liberals having a relatively hefty administration relative to their funding. Lots of permanent staff, lots of committees that need travel, hotels and phone calls expensed and so forth. Unlike the NDP, they don't own their office space so that adds some expenses and reduces income.

Hoodeet

KenS wrote:

ravenj wrote:

[Mulcair] will put the parliament wing of the party in shape as a government-in-waiting. Indeed he had said during the press conference that he knows Canadians want to see good public administration from the NDP.

I am very excited about the next three years!

We have gotten better public administration from the Nova Scotia NDP government. And this is generally recognized.

I expected before we got there that we would get better public administration.

I also expected that we would probably get nothing more than that from this government.

I was right on both counts.

The response to that is typically- "well, the NDP has to make sure that it is re-assuring voters."

I agree that re-assuring needs to happen. But you also have to build in the capacity to actually do something- or you get nothing.

Once you have cast your lot with 'caution' and 're-assuring', when does that end being virtually the sole pre-occupation?

I've talked here about the cautionary tale of the NDP government making really deep cuts- that at least to a degree had to happen. But the question is, when do we get something else? AND, how much of this is a prediatable consequence of having been unwilling before being elected to talk honestly about the fiscal situation and what it requires?

The replies here have been mostly "Well, thats the first term. Its understandable, after things are motre in order and people are re-assured we arent crazy tax and spend..."

The Premeir just enlightened us on that one. Here we are, still in the middle of vicious cuts to schools and health care- the bottom of which no one knows yet, And Dexter is musing that 'Since things are going so well, we may be able to look at cutting income taxes." ??!!

 

Hoodeet (JW)

All too many Nova Scotians I've spoken to are dismayed at what they consider the NDP's betrayal.  People who broke their voting tradition to vote NDP are particularly angry.  Northern N.S. saw its retail economy slammed by the rise in the N.S. HST, with people from as far away as Springhill or even Truro going shopping across the border in N.B. to save 2% on purchases.  Small businesses have been particularly affected, but also such big-item companies as car dealers and appliance stores.   They need to reduce that tax before they even contemplate reducing corporate taxes.

 

Brachina

Basically coryism is dragging the liberals to thier deaths. And putting off chosing a new leader is proving to be such a dumb idea thier ready to exaserbate it by annointing Rae as leader, as if thier last fuck you to their own membership worked out so well.

As for the Socialist Cacus and fight back, if they are so anticapitalist, why not offer a Socialist candiate instead of picking the least objectionable capitalist?

Winston

Caissa wrote:

I look forward to reading TM4PM # 52 369 the day after the 2015 election.

Don't you mean TM4PM # 1100110010010001?

Laughing

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Just saw an interview on P&P with Mulcair - I thought he was excellent.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

From a post upthread:
Quote:
 
"The International Marxist Tendency-affiliated Fightback group is also plumping for Ashton. Like the Socialist Caucus, Fightback has to concede the obvious: all of the candidates uphold capitalism. But nonetheless it instruct its members and supporters to vote for Ashton and give secondary preferences to Nash, Topp, and Dewar, in that order, with a view towards defeating the "liberal Blairite faction" led by Mulcair. Fightback hastens to add, however, that in the event of a "Blairite" victory it will remain ever loyal to the NDP.
In their slavish support for social democracy (and the trade union bureaucracy), Fightback is no different than the whole gamut of fake left groups operating either inside the NDP or on its fringes. Under conditions of the greatest capitalist crisis since the Great Depression, they work systematically to uphold the political authority and legitimacy of the social democrats and the trade unions, claiming that, despite decades of abject betrayal, these enforcers of capitalist austerity and arch-defenders of the capitalist social order can be pressured into serving as instruments of working class struggle."
 
Could someone translate that gibberish into English for me? Laughing

Doug

They're all capitalist sellouts but Niki and Nash are the least so. We'll never have the fun of a revolution if we do things like get involved in social democratic parties and trade unions that actually do things to make people's lives better today. Translation complete!

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Thanks, Doug - much appreciated!

NorthReport

NDPers almost beat the Cons in attacking Tom. Hilarious  Laughing

Thank goodness we picked someone who wants to win rather than wallow in self-pity for the rest of their lives  Wink

New NDP leader Thomas Mulcair must get NDPers to aim at the Tories, not him

 

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

As Mulcair said today, "time to turn the page".

 

Vansterdam Kid

NorthReport wrote:

NDPers almost beat the Cons in attacking Tom. Hilarious  Laughing

Thank goodness we picked someone who wants to win rather than wallow in self-pity for the rest of their lives  Wink

 

Uh, yeah I know. That's what pisses me off about New Democrats most of the time. We can kind of be masochistic loosers who think it's good to loose, because at least that way we're remaining "pure" to some imaginably perfect form of politics that don't actually exist in reality. It's also an extremely ineffective form of politics, when considering our win/loss record and the state of the welfare state in this country. I think the problem some people had/have with Mulcair is that he doesn't have time for this nonsensical culture that permeates some New Democrats strains of thought.

Vansterdam Kid

Boom Boom wrote:

As Mulcair said today, "time to turn the page".

 

But yes, I agree. So that's all I have to say on the matter.

Sean in Ottawa

Well it is too early yet to know if he was the right choice but he is the choice that most of us in the end settled on-- let's make the most of it and give it a chance. Otherwise we can just keep enjoying the Harper government.

Brachina

Mulcair won democratically, I see no need for the condesending attacks against those who choose Mulcair over Topp. Lets not refight these battles, at least wait till he does something wrong as leader before attacking him. He won fair and square and he at least deserves a chance before people dump on him.
Can anyone find fault in his leadership so far?

So far he's faught Corporate abuse, he's faught for Canadian Jobs, he's faught Tory, stupidity, he's reached out to Libby making her Deputy Leader, he appears to have a handle on things, no anger or lashing out.

All I'm asking for is hold off on the declarions of war against Mulcair until he starts screwing up, if he does.

Anyway on a more positive note I believe Mulcair has gotten more pubicity since becoming leader then Turmel did in seven months! Its an exciting start and I have a very good feeling.

Brachina

http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/canada/politics/article/1152257--thom...

I love this article, it gives me a warm tingly feeling, oh and Rae's comments are rich coming from him, given how he bragged about doing better then Nycole Turmel during question period.

Wilf Day

Boom Boom wrote:

Just saw an interview on P&P with Mulcair - I thought he was excellent.

Masterful. He almost had Soloman eating out of his hand.

NorthReport wrote:

Who will be Tom's pit bull, in the role he use to play for Jack?

In English, Charlie Angus. In French, Alexandre Boulerice?

janfromthebruce

Wilf Day wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Just saw an interview on P&P with Mulcair - I thought he was excellent.

Masterful. He almost had Soloman eating out of his hand.

NorthReport wrote:

Who will be Tom's pit bull, in the role he use to play for Jack?

In English, Charlie Angus. In French, Alexandre Boulerice?

______________________________________________________________________________________ Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!

 

agreed Tom was excellent!

NorthReport

Yes: 60%

 

 

Is Thomas Mulcair the right choice to lead the NDP?

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2012/03/is-thomas-mulcair-the-right...

josh

NorthReport wrote:

Is Thomas Mulcair the right choice to lead the NDP?

The right . . . . Ah. Too easy.

KenS

It is about what the party does- with the key to that being what Mulcair leads with.

Brachina wrote:

 

 The tag line is "not worth the risk" not exactly firebreathing and not enough to set off bullshit detecters, but enough over time of constant repitition to sow doubts about,Dion. Focused attack too, hitting the same spot every time.

Now compare that to the attack against Mulcair which sounded like a conbot reject wrote it. They through every insult they could, including viscous which makes them sound like hypocrits and foolish. No focus, they were all over the place and it came off so over the top that bullshit detectors get set off and Mulcair could laugh it off with ease, mockery effective neautralizing it. Three strikes and your out. First came the Duel citizenship attack, he deflected it with ease. Then came the he wanted a con cabinate post attack, but that was so stupid no one with a lick of sense bought it. Now this all over the place attack, utterly sloppy, a simple act of mocking it and its dead on arrival. A positive series of ads about Mulcair will further under mine the cons ability to deal damage. Btw I hear Bob Rae is still begging for money for counter attack ads, while the NDP is already ready to go with ads and the money for them. The liberals get more donations then we do, how the fuck are they always broke?

You continue to compare apples and oranges.

You congratulate Mulcair for sloughing off "attacks"; or worse, laugh at the incompetence of the Conservatives.

But we have not seen any attacks like that sustained and well developed campaigns against Dion's vulnerable points. Like you said: deadly because it is focused and repetitive.

All that Mulcair has 'dealt with' so far as the background chatter of the moment. That's child's play.

KenS

Brachina wrote:

Mulcair won democratically, I see no need for the condesending attacks against those who choose Mulcair over Topp. Lets not refight these battles, at least wait till he does something wrong as leader before attacking him. He won fair and square and he at least deserves a chance before people dump on him.

Can anyone find fault in his leadership so far?

Yes. Because what he said before he won also counts.

And its not a question of whether he won or not. And I certainly have no desire to dump him. Among other things, what a disaster that would be.

Its about what he does now. And thats not a question of whether or not he is saying the right pretty words.

NorthReport

First day on the job and Mulcair's talking about decent jobs, union jobs, environmental issues, sustainability in the economy, so of course he is right-wing. People will definitely agree with that.  Laughing

josh wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Is Thomas Mulcair the right choice to lead the NDP?

The right . . . . Ah. Too easy.

NorthReport

There is a poor-me, whine session, Mulcair is a bully thread already going, but do these absurd attacks on him have to permeate every single thread from now on?

Curious minds wish to know. 

KenS

Curiousity can be very 'focused' and dogged in its limitations.

I think this thread could slide into being Mulcair is right wing and all that over the top stuff.

But do you actually see it here in this thread, or do you just not know the difference with the tone of the other thread?

Brachina

I agree thier is already a thread for shitting on the new leader, this thread is for positive news and ideas on making the NDP the next government.

And in that vien I think promising to name a another dupty leader later was cleaver way to push MPs to up their game.

Also I'm say it again Mulcair should name Brian Topp as his Principle Seceratary or after Anne leaves as Chief of Staff. Brian even has experience as a chief of staff I believe.

I'm betting after Easter Nash goes back to finciance. I'm wonder where Ashton, Saganash, Robert will be placed in Cabinate?

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