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Brian is an awesome talent, although I took issue with some of Broadbent's comments on his behalf. I want Brian to run for MP as soon as possible. I'd love to see him on the front bench near Mulcair if possible.

KenS

I guess we can hope. There is always the possibility that one of the MPs is not that excited about being there.

Or that by next year we have some by-elections from court challenges... though the local candidate would have first crack there.

At any rate- being 'just another MP' and being part of the Caucus hurl burl is a more appropriate place for Brian now, rather than part of the inside team where it would be a strain on all for him to fit.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Well, whatever. I think Brian would be good as an MP once he gets acquainted with procedure and whatever else is required.

NorthReport

Here's a plateful for Mulcair to digest and address or not.

Baldrey of course is just trying to stir the pot.

 
 Federal NDP core will shift out of B.C

http://www.canada.com/news/national/Federal+core+will+shift/6364319/stor...

mtm

I think its rich of anyone to make such insinuations without seeing the region-by-region vote.  I know the Mulcair campaign was very strong in BC.

Policywonk

mtm wrote:

I think its rich of anyone to make such insinuations without seeing the region-by-region vote.  I know the Mulcair campaign was very strong in BC.

Yes. We will have to make gains in Ontario and the Prairies to form government in any case. Not sure what he was going on about gains in Quebec for. We need to hold it, not so much make gains.

NorthReport

Like they did in Quebec during the last federal election, the NDP needs to localize their campaign in other parts of the country as well such as BC, Prairies, Ontario, Atlantic Canada, the North, etc. 

David Young

In the previous thread, I said that Mulcair should seek out the 70 candidates needed to win a majority in 2015.

I didn't mean 70 new candidates.

Candidates who ran in 2011 and did well should be encouraged to state that they are willing to run again as soon as possible.

Lewis Cardinal in Edmonton Centre and Gregor Ash in Halifax West are two who have indicated that they want to run again, so Mulcair needs 68 more names to present to the Canadian population as proof that the NDP deserves to be considered as the 'government in waiting'.

Stand forth and be counted, all who want the Harperites defeated in '15!!!

 

NorthReport

Mulcair Is Ready to Rumble!

His NDP victory promises a battle royale in Parliament and trouble for Liberals, Conservatives, Bloc Quebecois.

 

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/03/27/Mulcair-Ready-to-Rumble/

Thomas Mulcair's election asleader of the New Democratic Party and leader of the official Opposition means two clear things.

First, Parliament will see a battle royale like it has not experienced in many years.

Second, Mulcair is big trouble for the ruling Conservatives, the flagging Liberals and the nearly dead Bloc Quebecois.

NDP members on Saturday decided they were in the biggest fight of their party's existence -- and wanted the toughest, fiercest and most threatening parliamentarian possible as their leader to take on Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

They picked Mulcair, whose nickname was "grizzly bear" when he sat as a provincial Liberal environment minister in the Quebec National Assembly.

And Mulcair's assignment includes not just savaging the Conservative government but also taking out the third place Liberal Party and keeping the Bloc Quebecois a spent separatist force in la belle province.

 

 

 

 

NorthReport

Sounds good to moi.

 

NDP's Mulcair promises to fight Tory budget cuts, protect middle class

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/ndps-mulcair-promises-to-fight-t...

NorthReport

It is always fascinating when the enemy analyses you. Laughing

 

The NDP embarks on a new era

 

As Thomas Mulcair assumes the leadership, several key members of Jack Layton’s team are moving on

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/MacDonald+embarks/6368068/story.html

 

 

Stockholm

Reading that column by L. Ian MacDonald, its pretty obvious that to the extent that he has any sources in the NDP - they are all from the "ancien regime" who were heavily involved in the Topp campaign. The points are all valid, but at some point I assume that Mulacir will have his own people able to spin from the inside. My understanding is that a lot of Mulcair's "braintrust" are anglo-Montrealers who MacDonald probably knows well (he also being an anglo-Montrealer and the circle of elites and opinion leaders in that community being small enough that everyone knows everyone)

flight from kamakura

hegemonic support and optimism among an indicative sampling of the professional classes of quebec: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/debats/le-debat-du-jour/201203/26/01-4509547-t...

this sort of thing indicates again precisely the extent to which quebec is running at a completely different speed from canada, in terms of social solidarity and quality of intellectual debate.  a very nice start to things.

janfromthebruce

Stockholm wrote:

Reading that column by L. Ian MacDonald, its pretty obvious that to the extent that he has any sources in the NDP - they are all from the "ancien regime" who were heavily involved in the Topp campaign. The points are all valid, but at some point I assume that Mulacir will have his own people able to spin from the inside. My understanding is that a lot of Mulcair's "braintrust" are anglo-Montrealers who MacDonald probably knows well (he also being an anglo-Montrealer and the circle of elites and opinion leaders in that community being small enough that everyone knows everyone)

______________________________________________________________________________________ Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!

 

And so they’re breaking up Layton’s circle of close advisers, one of the best teams ever assembled in Canada. This group was so tight they could finish sentences for one another, let alone Layton. McGrath and Lavigne were the leaders, but former communications director Kathleen Monk and press secretary Karl Bélanger were also important players, as were campaign strategists like Topp and wise owls like Robin Sears.

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/MacDonald+embarks/6368068/story.html#ixzz1qRRvHTVY

I didn't find that MacDonald did any spin either - it's true and we should be proud that they are one of the best teams ever assembled in Canada. With this team we got to be official opposition, and perhaps as the robofraud makes its way through the course of revelation - who knows, maybe Jack would have been the PM with a minority govt. I dont' think we should throw the baby out with the bath water.  Also, Tom's victory speech was not good. He did other things well but let's be honest both his opening and close speeches were not inspiring.

KenS

Jan, this is what virtually always happens anyway.

One of the things about tight knit teams is that they hang together in part because of the chemistry of the unit.

Very possibly, if Topp had won, they would have stayed more or less intact. But given that did not happen, no one needs to be 'breaking them up' for people to start going elsewhere. And it isnt necessarily a reflection of thinking they will be unwelcome. Its hard intense work. And not having the same team that they enjoy working with, thats the tipping point to moving on.

By the way- there's persistence for you. Nearly 20 years later Lorne Nystrom finally manages to get himself out of the wilderness and back in play.

JoshD

Watched an interview that Tom did on CPAC yesterday. He was asked about the French citizenship and he said he will keep it for now but if he were to ever become Prime Minister he would give it up.

Azana

It makes sense that with a change in leadeship there would be a change in the leader's inner circle of advisors. Some chose to move on and I'm sure that Tom would want to bring in some new people.

But there seems to be one person mentioned in the MacDonald article, the 'exodus' article in the Globe, as well as Brian's incredible letter of thanks, that was pushed out unceremoniously by Tom: Raymond Guardia.

Brian wrote this:

"My campaign manager Raymond Guardia is the architect of our electoral victory in Quebec, a goal he has worked towards all his adult life, so much of which he has devoted, passionately, to our party and our cause."

Guardia has been given credit with orchestrating the campaign in Quebec, directing two of Tom's Outremont campaigns, directing Phil Edmonston's campaign and having been a committed and active New Democrat for over 20 years.

The Globe article (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/communicati...) claims "Mr. Guardia was told by Mr. Mulcair last September that he wouldn’t be welcomed back if Mr. Mulcair won the leadership, according to La Presse columnist Vincent Marissal."

This doesn't seem the best of moves. I'd want to keep a guy with that much record of success for the party in Quebec.

KenS

We havent heard the last word on this.

Ray said he was told by Mulcair he wasnt wanted. Mulcair said not.

Translation: they are or will talk.

Azana

I didn't see a response from Mulcair on this. What did he say?

Thanks Ken

KenS

I just remember he said when asked that he didnt say that to Ray.

On second thought, that doesnt mean that they are talking. Anyway, its not clear at this point what was siad or will happen with Ray.

janfromthebruce

Well KenS, this kind of talk isn't the NDP I came to support over the years. I use Jack as my gold standard and Jack would never have said this, and oh, he wouldn't have thought it either. He wanted the best and those who strongly supported new dem principles and practices. This sounds like "nobody should apply unless supporting T. Mulcair oh and the NDP as the afterthought - really?" I'm disgusted.

So only certain kinds of democrats are welcome. I guess my money can walk in a different direction too - thank you very much!

The Globe article (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/communicati...) claims "Mr. Guardia was told by Mr. Mulcair last September that he wouldn’t be welcomed back if Mr. Mulcair won the leadership, according to La Presse columnist Vincent Marissal."

This doesn't seem the best of moves. I'd want to keep a guy with that much record of success for the party in Quebec.

Life, the unive...

Uuh- Jack moved people out when he won the leadership and put his own people in.  One of them was a long time aquaintance and used to buy lamb from us.  He was rather unceremoniously shown the door apparently.  Last I talked to him he was still sort of bitter. Was Jack some evil monster for doing that, or is it just the old you dance with the one who brung ya?  

mtm

Jan, Jack's "inner circle" changed a ton through the years".  People went in and out over that period.  

 

Also, I don't know if this is the same person mentioned by Life, the universe, etc, but someone I met who came back to the NDP had become a Liberal because Jack had "fired his friend".  People in that social circle left the party because they didnt like that Jack had fired their guy.  It happens.

I know you were supporting Topp, but instead of reactionary recriminations to things we don't have any idea about, including interpersonal relationships of people we dont know personally, lets give the leader a chance to assemble his own team without stomping off in a reactionary huff.

 

NorthReport

jftb

The leadership race is over. I'm sorry your guy didn't make it. But it's time for all of us, win, lose, or indifferent, to get over it. You are talking through your hat suggesting Jack would never have done this or Jack would never have done that. Jack is dead and Tom is the NDP leader now, and Tom will now make these difficult decisions that Jack made. Some will work out and others won't. Don't you think it is time to foucus your attacks on the Cons?

janfromthebruce

You know something, I was involved in the party long ago and funny I didn't hear these stories at all - funny about that. I don't have a problem with him assembling his own team but he should do it in a way that is fair. I don't want to see an NDP leader talk out of both sides of us mouth - say nice things to interviewer and being something completely different behind the scenes but that gets out. That's the trust factor.

There seems to be a rationalization going on here for crappy behaviour of others - what happen to all that caring NDP stuff? out with the old and in the new?

janfromthebruce

I'm not attacking anyone but I don't have to blindly support callus behaviour towards others whoever they may be. And you are right the election is over, so the goon show is over.

Azana

I don't consider this "stomping off in a reactionary huff." I'm not going anywhere. The chances that I'm not going to vote for a Mulcair-led NDP is slim to none. However, I find this an interesting insight into our new leader's way of thinking.

We're not talking about some run of the mill advisors. Of course, Mulcair needs to bring in his own team and move out some that he doesn't want, or that underperform, etc. In this case, we're talking about the person that Tom himself chose to run his campaigns. Twice. The same person chosen by Jack to run the campaign in Quebec.

If the MacDonald, Globe and Marissal articles are correct, Mulcair threatened a key player in the remarkable success of last May. The threat was not based on whether or not he was good at his job. It was based on the fact that he supported Topp over Mulcair.

If KenS is correct that Mulcair denied threatening Guardia, then one of those two men lied.

Ippurigakko

I have to agree with NorthReport. Yeah time to focus attack and defeat Harper+Cons.

 

Guys, If Mulcair not wins, then Quebec would completely lose 58 NPD. Do you want it?

 

Move on...

Azana

Of course it's time to focus on defeating Harper. Especially with the budget we're about to receive.

But that doesn't mean we can't express concerns about other things. Threatening and firing the guy who engineered the Orange Wave and possibly lying about it concerns me. If he's as good as Jack, Brian (and previously Tom) believed, then he seems to be someone we need to help in that defeating of Harper.

NorthReport

When NDPers are complaining more than the Cons about the new NDP leader, it is is overdoing it.

But complain all you want about the new leader - please just restrict it to a complaint thread so those of us that want the NDP to win the next election can get down to business. Thanks.

 

 

NorthReport
Azana

One can want the NDP to win, want Mulcair to succeed (even if we voted for someone else), and at the same time question and criticise things we find disagreeable. We're not taking out attack ads or criticising more than the Conservatives. I don't think Tom is an opportunist. I do think he's fallable and we have the right to question his decisions.

Good night, brothers and sisters. And best of luck fighting the insanity we will undoubtedly find in tomorrow's budget.

 

NorthReport

Agreed, but let's follow the role model of Jack's family.

Layton's family gives orange victory tie to Mulcair

http://winnipeg.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120328/jack-layton-ora...

Stockholm

There are always two sides to every story. Obviously the very fact that Guardia became Topp's campaign manager back in September makes it obvious that there was some sort of falling out between him and Mulcair back then. These things happen. While I would NEVER want to see any wholesale purges in the OLO, I also can see that the new leader of the opposition might not want to give a key position to the campaign manager for him main opponent after a bitter campaign that featured a fair bit of innuendo being passed around. For all we know Guardia might have refused to work in Mulcair's office even if Mulcair begged him to stay. Mulcair has more than enough people around him with expertise on Quebec...what he really needs are top notch people in key positions from outside Quebec who really know the party

NorthReport

Thomas Mulcair kicks off NDP leadership with a warning

 

New leader targets prime minister with his advice

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Thomas+Mulcair+kicks+leadership+with+wa...

KenS

What Stochholm said.

nicky

Thisis my first post since the convention. 

I think Stockholm is right about the so-called "purge". The departures are very limited. Mulcair hs announced he wants to keep "98%" of the party machine intact. He has demonstrated his conciliation with Ann McGrath and Libby Davies.

There were many below-the-belt accusations hurled at Mulcair during the campaign. It is obvious that some of these came from opposing camps. The nastiest of these, and from which most others sprang, were back in August, long before he entered the race. These were things we never heard before in public. Mulcair could not control his temper. He would decimate the party apparatchik. He alienated people. He could not work with others. Etc, etc. These were bitter personal attacks and anonymous ones for the most part. They continued through the campaign and escalated with his growing lead. They culminated in the TrueMulcair and Broadbent fulminations.They may wound Mulcair in the years to come.

They were childish, inaccurate and irresponsible. They were originally aimed at blackening his CHARACTER to the extent that he would not even dare to enter the race. Thank god Tom prevailed over them. But they were dirty politics and utterly unworthy of a New Democart in an intramural contest.

I am not saying that Raymond Guardia or Brad "The Architect' were behind them. But assuming they came from someone in the upper echelons of the party machine, that person has made his position quite untenble. If I am right about this, it may well be that such a person may simply have decided to depart on his own initiative. Even if Mulcair gave him a push I really don't see how he can be faulted for doing so under the circumstances.

nicky

An interesting perspective on the Topp campaign:

 

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/03/28/towards-stornoway-the-topp-campaign/

janfromthebruce

Stockholm wrote:

There are always two sides to every story. Obviously the very fact that Guardia became Topp's campaign manager back in September makes it obvious that there was some sort of falling out between him and Mulcair back then. These things happen. While I would NEVER want to see any wholesale purges in the OLO, I also can see that the new leader of the opposition might not want to give a key position to the campaign manager for him main opponent after a bitter campaign that featured a fair bit of innuendo being passed around. For all we know Guardia might have refused to work in Mulcair's office even if Mulcair begged him to stay. Mulcair has more than enough people around him with expertise on Quebec...what he really needs are top notch people in key positions from outside Quebec who really know the party

______________________________________________________________________________________ Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!

 

Because someone supports someone else does not mean "there was a falling out". We just know the facts at hand. This staffer was key to our win in Quebecer and appears to not be included in moving forward with the shiny new modern team. Maybe he's not modern enough. Surprised

 

NorthReport

It's too bad we are so far away from the next election as these national polls are showing the NDP tied for 1st place

 

Don't judge NDP's new leader by his campaign

 

 

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/judge+leader+campaign/6377613/story....

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Yeah, I agree - the NDP is on a high right now. With the caucus we have, I think the momentum will continue - especially when you see the Con's dismal performance in QP and the scandals. I hope this country wakes up in time to boot out Harper and his neocon thugs in 2015.

NorthReport

First impressions are lasting impressions.

 

Thomas Mulcair off to a good start — with great timing

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1152168--hebert-thom...

The record suggests that it is hard to beat an experienced prime minister. But that is in no small part because they usually leave it to a successor to harvest the grapes of wrath that they have seeded.

Pierre Trudeau in 1984 and Brian Mulroney in 1993 did exactly that.

By the time the next election comes around it will be more than a decade since Harper first led his party in an election.

There are exceptions but things often tend to go sour for a ruling party at or around the 10-year mark. That is also when the fire tends to go out of the belly of a government leader.

That is not to say that Mulcair will not be facing a steep learning curve in the months and years to come. Almost all opposition leaders go through a crossing of the desert and many don’t survive it.

But past experience also suggests that some of the forecasts that are attending Mulcair’s victory should be treated with a grain of salt.

After they each won the leadership of their party on an anti-merger ticket, Peter MacKay and Harper were fully expected to keep the rival conservative factions apart and yet they did not.

And then when he took the helm of a reunited Conservative party, Harper was widely written off as a transitional leader.

His past positions were said to make him an impossible sell in Quebec and his brand of conservatism combined with his Western Canada political roots were deemed to make him a non-starter in Ontario.

He was — most pundits opined — not cut out to win the job of prime minister . . . until he did.

Finally, as recently as a year ago, it was conventional wisdom that no federal party — least of all the NDP — could aspire to more than a toehold in francophone Quebec as long as Gilles Duceppe was at the head of the Bloc Québécois. Twelve months ago, no one (including himself?) expected that Jack Layton would become leader of the official opposition.

Mulcair may well be a long shot for prime minister but no more so than Harper was on his first week as federal leader a decade ago.

Ippurigakko

I suspect Harper gonna resign before next elections perhaps 2014? similar to past Trudeau/Mulroney? And Chretien resign in 2003 and Paul is next but Harper almost beat him after 2 years in 2006. Interesting

Lib - Trudeau (PC opposition)
Lib - Turner in only few months
PC - Mulroney (Lib opposition)
PC - Campbell in only few months
Lib - Chretein (BQ then CCRAP opposition)
Lib - Martin in only 2 yrs
CON - Harper (Lib then NDP official opposition)
CON - Harper might appoint someone in only few months or year before 2015?
NDP - Mulcair! (CON or Lib opposition? lol)

NorthReport

I wouldn't bet on it, but even if he does, that is the advantage of the NDP focusing their attacks on the Cons policies as opposed to the Liberal gutter approach to politics.

KenS

nicky wrote:

There were many below-the-belt accusations hurled at Mulcair during the campaign. It is obvious that some of these came from opposing camps. The nastiest of these, and from which most others sprang, were back in August, long before he entered the race. These were things we never heard before in public. Mulcair could not control his temper. He would decimate the party apparatchik. He alienated people. He could not work with others. Etc, etc. These were bitter personal attacks and anonymous ones for the most part. They continued through the campaign and escalated with his growing lead. They culminated in the TrueMulcair and Broadbent fulminations.They may wound Mulcair in the years to come.

Oh swett jesus nicky. What a load of crap.

I agree with you and Stock that there are no Mulcair purges. And no real signs of concern so far at least.

And then you have top go and dredge up all this stuff. I have a suggestion.

Knock, knock. Your candidate one. He is the Leader.

Yes there is some over the top reaction to that. Pretty tame though. And it will dissapear after people vent.

What reason do you have to vent?

nicky

I wrote what I did  because some people were attributing the departures to ill motives on Mulcair's part. I felt obliged to suggest an alternative which anyone close to the various campaigns will confirm is true.

I don't know what KenS's perspective on the campaign was but calling the truth "crap" doesn't make it untrue 

 

Wilf Day

Belatedly, here were the House tributes:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Pub=hansard&Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=1&DocId=5474617&File=0#SOB-7153245

Ms. Niki Ashton (Churchill, NDP):

Quote:
Mr. Speaker, this past weekend, we elected our new leader, the member for Outremont, a dynamic leader who will unite Canadians as our first NDP prime minister.

[English]

Over the last five months, I travelled across our great country and heard from Canadians about their real concerns: growing inequality, aboriginal poverty, inaction on climate change, the hollowing out of our economy and the growing threat of conflict. I heard from so many people that they are tired of the politics of division and polarization, attack ads and robocalls.

Canadians want a government that will truly represent them, that understands the aspirations of Quebec, that will represent western Canadians instead of taking them for granted.

[Translation]

We have taken a major step toward forming our government.

[English]

I want to thank the people who supported our campaign and the so many people who joined together to elect our new leader. I want to thank my other colleagues who ran in this race.

And I have a message for the Prime Minister: Enjoy being Prime Minister while it lasts. The orange wave is growing and will bring Canada's first NDP government in 2015.

Mr. Paul Dewar (Ottawa Centre, NDP):

Quote:
Mr. Speaker, I am happy to be here with a leader who is a man of conviction and with a team that is united, strong and ready to get results for Canadians.

[English]

I thank my wife, Julia, and my sons, Nathaniel and Jordan, so very much for their love and support. I also thank my incredible campaign team for believing in me.

In the past months, I have met thousands of Canadians who want us to build a stronger and more caring country. They reject cynicism and they have embraced optimism. This was particularly evident with young and aboriginal people. We need to follow their lead. We need to give Canadians a future to believe in.

[Translation]

Let us get to work. We will succeed.

Ms. Peggy Nash (Parkdale—High Park, NDP):

Quote:
Mr. Speaker, I rise today in the House with renewed energy, more determined than ever to build the Canada we dream of.

For the past six months, I have had the privilege to run against eight excellent leadership candidates and put forward a progressive vision for Canada. Nathan, Niki, Martin, Brian, Paul, Robert, Romeo and Tom, thank you for that honour.

[English]

I also thank the hundreds of members of my campaign team and those who worked tirelessly on other teams who could imagine a country that we would like to build, a country where Canadians are passionate for a new direction toward economic prosperity that includes everyone, with a sustainable environment and strong social programs. I know we can get there with our caucus united behind our leader and future prime minister, Thomas Mulcair.

Mr. Nathan Cullen (Skeena—Bulkley Valley, NDP):

Quote:
Mr. Speaker, I am honoured. I owe tremendous gratitude to an awesome team and the volunteers who supported me. I especially want to tell our new leader, my new leader, that he has my unwavering support. We have a duty to complete the work that our dear friend started, and this is our golden opportunity to do that.

[English]

My voice today is a bit strained but my love and commitment to this party and to this movement has never been more absolute. We must build a better place. We will build a better country. We have come together in ways not thought possible to take on the real opponents that we all face.

Those of us who seek office all owe gratitude, but the gratitude I owe most is to my loving wife, Diana, and my children. My thanks are absolute.

Ms. Olivia Chow (Trinity—Spadina, NDP):

Quote:
Mr. Speaker, on Saturday, New Democrats came together to elect the leader of the official opposition. It was a race between many respected and dynamic candidates. We can be proud to say that New Democrats across Canada elected a strong and experienced leader to lead Canada's New Democrats to form the next government in 2015.

I am proud to have a leader who worked alongside Jack Layton to unite Quebeckers and Canadians together, a leader who shares our values, a leader with experience and conviction and a leader who will hold the Conservatives to account and fight for everyday Canadians.

More than ever, we are strong and we are united. So today we continue Jack's legacy and rally behind our new leader, the leader of the official opposition. I could not be more proud.

[Translation]

Congratulations to our new leader.

dacckon dacckon's picture

Wait he wrote his own speech? LOL

some news article posted above that was probably an exaggerated tale by the author wrote:
And then there was Mulcair's victory speech, one of the worst ever heard. It's not as if the leader's office hadn't tried to help. They met with Mulcair and other front runners to offer advice based on research tested by focus groups. Mulcair wasn't interested and was evidently determined to present his own speech. He didn't even make it available for the huge teleprompter screen at the back of the hall.

The first thing a leader should learn is that he should be the last person writing the speech.


Is this true that he wrote his own speech? Or did he have to learn the hard way?

Oh and its very ironic that one poster here is defending his candidate (who won) by dispelling rumours, but was one of the ones who promoted rumours/attacks on other candidates that was even more destructive.
Get over yourself before I pour bleach into my eyes.

At least your not as bad as one poster here who bashed NDP members for backing candidates who were like them. But there name was associated(and of course they stated) that they are in an organization that has members that support each other and back each other up.

Anyways, I came here to post a shitty article by Yahoo by a shittier author.

theleftyinvestor

Wilf Day wrote:

In English, Charlie Angus. In French, Alexandre Boulerice?

If Mulcair ever needs an "anger proxy" in French, Yvon Godin would fit the bill nicely.

Gaian

mtm wrote:

Jan, Jack's "inner circle" changed a ton through the years".  People went in and out over that period.  

 

Also, I don't know if this is the same person mentioned by Life, the universe, etc, but someone I met who came back to the NDP had become a Liberal because Jack had "fired his friend".  People in that social circle left the party because they didnt like that Jack had fired their guy.  It happens.

I know you were supporting Topp, but instead of reactionary recriminations to things we don't have any idea about, including interpersonal relationships of people we dont know personally, lets give the leader a chance to assemble his own team without stomping off in a reactionary huff.

 

You realize what following this rational course would do to "communications" hereaboauts? :)

But, perhaps one could bear up in the changeover from chatter to factual, documented evidence presented in interesting narrative form.

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