Trudeau hurls expletive at environment minister for demeaning Megan Leslie

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Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Hee.

Mr.Tea

Bookish Agrarian wrote:

Has anyone had a little talk with Justin about the fact that the American civil war is over and the dandy plantation owner's son look went out a long time ago?

Or that November/Movember is over.

Come on, Justin. During the month of November, by all means grow a silly moustache. It's fun, shows that you don't take yourself too seriously and raises money and awareness for prostate cancer. But on December 1st, grab a razor and shave the damn thing off. You look like a narcissistic, attention-craving dilletante who doesn't own a calendar.

And if, despite your complete lack of skills and abilities, you actually get elected to Parliament after a tiring career of being Pierre Trudeau's son, try to contribute something a little better than yelling curses at people.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Mr. Tea, do you not support Trudeau's protest curse at Kent for being such a prick towards Megan Leslie???

Debater

Ripple wrote:

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Some people here lately have been trying to claim that Trudeau was right-wing

Well, just watch me.

 

Maintaining law & order and protecting people from terrorists who are murdering political officials is the job of the government - whether it is left or right.  

Anyway, let's try to stick to the Kent vs. Justin debate because that other topic won't get resolved here.  As some progressives have been saying on Twitter, the good thing about this incident, apart from the fact that most polls are showing the majority of people agree with Justin, is that it has gotten more Canadians to pay attention to the Conservatives' anti-environment policies.

Mr.Tea

Boom Boom wrote:

Mr. Tea, do you not support Trudeau's protest curse at Kent for being such a prick towards Megan Leslie???

Oh, I really have no problem with it. Kent was being completely dishonest and disingenuous and Trudeau called him out on it. I've certainly been known to curse like a drunken sailor from time to time so I'm hardly going to call anyone out for for bad language.

That said, Trudeau is a dilletante who represents everything wrong with politics, a no talent hack with no achievements who has spent his life coasting on his father's name and yet still thinks way to highly of himself. It was like that line about how George W. Bush was "born and third base and thought he hit a triple"

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Debater wrote:
Maintaining law & order and protecting people from terrorists who are murdering political officials is the job of the government - whether it is left or right.

!!!

Mr.Tea

Unionist wrote:

Mr.Tea wrote:

And if, despite your complete lack of skills and abilities, you actually get elected to Parliament after a tiring career of being Pierre Trudeau's son, try to contribute something a little better than yelling curses at people.

And here I thought Justin was into his second term as an MP. The things you learn on babble!

What is your point? That since he's in his second term he must be good? Rob Anders has been getting elected in Calgary since 1997 and winning by huge margins. Doesn't make him any less of a useless idiot who contributes nothing to parliament.

Debater

Mr.Tea wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

Mr. Tea, do you not support Trudeau's protest curse at Kent for being such a prick towards Megan Leslie???

Oh, I really have no problem with it. Kent was being completely dishonest and disingenuous and Trudeau called him out on it. I've certainly been known to curse like a drunken sailor from time to time so I'm hardly going to call anyone out for for bad language.

That said, Trudeau is a dilletante who represents everything wrong with politics, a no talent hack with no achievements who has spent his life coasting on his father's name and yet still thinks way to highly of himself. It was like that line about how George W. Bush was "born and third base and thought he hit a triple"

Well, at least Justin hasn't had to steal elections in order to get into office.  

Justin was elected twice by the voters, unlike Bush who had his brother steal Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

And doesn't Justin get some credit for running in a competitive riding against the BQ rather than being handed a safe seat on West island?

Debater

Mr.Tea wrote:

Unionist wrote:

Mr.Tea wrote:

And if, despite your complete lack of skills and abilities, you actually get elected to Parliament after a tiring career of being Pierre Trudeau's son, try to contribute something a little better than yelling curses at people.

And here I thought Justin was into his second term as an MP. The things you learn on babble!

What is your point? That since he's in his second term he must be good? Rob Anders has been getting elected in Calgary since 1997 and winning by huge margins. Doesn't make him any less of a useless idiot who contributes nothing to parliament.

Anders is in Alberta - a conservative stronghold.  He's never run in a competitive election like Justin has in Papineau in the last 2 elections.  Justin wasn't handed Lac St. Louis to run in.  If he had been, you could argue he hasn't had to work, but in Papineau he actually has to campaign.  Even the BQ has said he has worked hard to get votes there.

Shoon

If Justin keeps this up, well have to make him a new democrat. Sorry but he brought it on himselfCool

Unionist

Mr.Tea wrote:

And if, despite your complete lack of skills and abilities, you actually get elected to Parliament after a tiring career of being Pierre Trudeau's son, try to contribute something a little better than yelling curses at people.

And here I thought Justin was into his second term as an MP. The things you learn on babble! Like the other day, when I learned that Harper would never dare touch women's right to choose or the death penalty.

 

 

Mr.Tea

And if his name were "Justin Smith", do you think he'd have gotten the nomination in the first place?

Debater

Shoon wrote:

If Justin keeps this up, well have to make him a new democrat. Sorry but he brought it on himselfCool

Perhaps he is trying to appeal to NDP voters in Papineau, or is considering crossing the floor. Wink

Debater

Mr.Tea wrote:

And if his name were "Justin Smith", do you think he'd have gotten the nomination in the first place?

Probably not.  I don't disagree that having a famous name opens doors for you, but then you have to do some work once you get in the door.

Caroline Kennedy thought she had a shot at being appointed to Hillary Clinton's Senate seat in New York in 2009, but she showed herself to be so out of her depth that it blew up in her face.  And other than rare examples like George Bush, most children of Prime Ministers and Presidents don't go on to become PM's themselves.  In fact, it's never happened in Canada yet.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

A friend of mine on Facebook says Justin is much more high profile now as a result of defending Megan Leslie, and,  think's he's the hottest MP ever. Guess she doesn't realize he's married with children. Laughing

Mr.Tea

Boom Boom wrote:

A friend of mine on Facebook says Justin is much more high profile now as a result of defending Megan Leslie, and,  think's he's the hottest MP ever. Guess she doesn't realize he's married with children. Laughing

That never stopped his father...

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

... he's married with children. 

Whoa, on first reading, guess what I thought you were accusing him of... Mind you, that would go with the moustache, no?

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Mr.Tea wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:

A friend of mine on Facebook says Justin is much more high profile now as a result of defending Megan Leslie, and,  think's he's the hottest MP ever. Guess she doesn't realize he's married with children. Laughing

That never stopped his father...

Look...whatever else you could say about the PET, he wasn't ever unfaithful to Margaret-unless you know something the rest of us don't.

Mr.Tea

Tht may be true. Margaret, on the other hand...

vaudree

If he wants to play three musketeers ...

 

Debater wrote:
And other than rare examples like George Bush, most children of Prime Ministers and Presidents don't go on to become PM's themselves. In fact, it's never happened in Canada yet.

Because, in Canada, it usually skips a generation.

Bushit was a Prime Minister?

Debater

vaudree wrote:

If he wants to play three musketeers ...

 

Debater wrote:
And other than rare examples like George Bush, most children of Prime Ministers and Presidents don't go on to become PM's themselves. In fact, it's never happened in Canada yet.

Because, in Canada, it usually skips a generation.

Bushit was a Prime Minister?

I referred to both PM's AND Presidents above.  What I was saying is that Canada has never had a child of a Prime Minister go on to become PM - and it's only happened once in British history as far as I know (with the Pitts).

Having a famous name gets you the audition and through the door, but then you have to have some talent of your own if you want to succeed.  It's just like how the children of movie stars don't always go on to become as successful as their parents.  Their name will get them initial attention, but after that they have to prove themselves.  Drew Barrymore has not had the career her grandparents Ethel and John did.

Debater

Boom Boom wrote:

A friend of mine on Facebook says Justin is much more high profile now as a result of defending Megan Leslie, and,  think's he's the hottest MP ever. Guess she doesn't realize he's married with children. Laughing

You're right that many women (and gay men) find Justin attractive.  And yes, if you type the words 'Justin Trudeau' into Twitter right now as I did earlier, you'll see dozens of Tweets from women all over Canada talking about how much they adore him.

If Justin runs for leader one day, he has a good base to start from.

Debater

Tweeted by Greenpeace Canada:

 

Why aren't more of us losing it like Trudeau?

 

https://twitter.com/#!/GreenpeaceCA

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/matt-price/justin-trudeau-peter-kent_b_1150...

Mr.Tea

Even teh Globe and Mail is now weighing in on the atrocious facial hair:This man is a Member of Parliament? He looks like an extra from Pirates of the Caribbean. That's if you're being nice about it. Colombian drug lords have been better groomed.

Mr. Trudeau did have a good excuse for a while: He was raising money and awareness about prostate cancer, as part of the Movember campaign. (NDP MP Peter Stoffer and Conservative Larry Miller did the same.)

But Movember ended a couple weeks ago, commandant. And when facial hair and politics collide, the results are often ugly. Dictators wear facial hair. Hard-working, tax-payer-loving, baby-kissing pols? Not so much.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/forget-shiddle-diddle...

 

Mr.Tea

Even teh Globe and Mail is now weighing in on the atrocious facial hair:This man is a Member of Parliament? He looks like an extra from Pirates of the Caribbean. That's if you're being nice about it. Colombian drug lords have been better groomed.

Mr. Trudeau did have a good excuse for a while: He was raising money and awareness about prostate cancer, as part of the Movember campaign. (NDP MP Peter Stoffer and Conservative Larry Miller did the same.)

But Movember ended a couple weeks ago, commandant. And when facial hair and politics collide, the results are often ugly. Dictators wear facial hair. Hard-working, tax-payer-loving, baby-kissing pols? Not so much.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/forget-shiddle-diddle...

 

Debater

Justin Trudeau does indeed look like Orlando Bloom from this year's "The Three Musketeers", but he can pull it off better than most.

Not sure how it's relevant though.

Policywonk

Mr.Tea wrote:

Even teh Globe and Mail is now weighing in on the atrocious facial hair:This man is a Member of Parliament? He looks like an extra from Pirates of the Caribbean. That's if you're being nice about it. Colombian drug lords have been better groomed.

Mr. Trudeau did have a good excuse for a while: He was raising money and awareness about prostate cancer, as part of the Movember campaign. (NDP MP Peter Stoffer and Conservative Larry Miller did the same.)

But Movember ended a couple weeks ago, commandant. And when facial hair and politics collide, the results are often ugly. Dictators wear facial hair. Hard-working, tax-payer-loving, baby-kissing pols? Not so much.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/the-hot-button/forget-shiddle-diddle...

 

One of the more irrelevant comments I've seen. For every dictator you can name with a moustache or beard I expect someone can come up with one who is clean shaven.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Catchfire wrote:

Debater wrote:
Maintaining law & order and protecting people from terrorists who are murdering political officials is the job of the government - whether it is left or right.

!!!

You know Debater, there is a problem with that kind of thinking. Just because a government says it is doing something "to protect the people" doesn't mean:

a.) that what it is doing will in fact do what is promised; and

b.) make it right.

Trudeau suspended an entire democratic apparatus. For a small period, he was dictator. People were quilty by association. They were gathered up in the dark of night, and whisked away without habeus corpus. You are a lawyer Debater, you know what that means, right? There was fear, and dread, and terror. Trudeau used it to wage a personal agenda against a very, very small minority of the citizenry. A group that was so small, I am not even sure that my use of "citizenry", is proper.

I live in Winnipeg. I live in the North End. It is supposed to be a very dangerous city to live in. It is supposed to be a very dangerous part of the city to live in. I am in my 50s. My knees and my back aren't all that good, a combination of lousy genes, and military service. If I was to be attacked as I walked down the streets of my "dangerous" neighbourhood, in theory it would make sense for me to become more afraid. But you know what, I don't do fear. And, I never react out of fear because others do, and I never will. Over the course of my life, I have encountered issues where this belief I would react calmly and with reason has been tested. I have fought off a physical  attacker, and in the service, dealt with adverse situations. Each time, I acted with haste, and with adrenaline, but without fear, and with calm and reason.  These experiences never changed me in any way. I am still not afraid.  I still "don't do fear".

If you look at the US, it is a nation immeresed in a culture of fear. In some ways, what happened back here in Canada was a smaller version of this playing out. There was fear, and Trudeau acted, at least in part, based on his own life experiences. "Just watch me he said". Sorry, not good enough. There is NEVER a good reason for suspending civil liberities and the very basis of the Common Law on which our society's laws and structures are based.

My folks (blessed be their memory), are long gone. But, we talked about this many times. Both my mother and my father. My father particularly, a man who was in the first wave ashore at Normandy, and fought across Europe, never forgave Trudeau for what he did. My father by the way, told me he thought Trudeau was the greatest PM the country ever had. This coming from a long time CCFer/NDPer, Winnipeg North ender. So, he could see the forest for the trees. My father was a man who was calm and reasoned. In all of the time I knew him, I never once saw him panic, or act out of fear. Maybe he hid it, as I have, but he never showed it. Even in his last days as we talked about all the things we alwasy did, my father still believed Trudeau had acted greivously,  unnecessarily, and wrongly.

You know, it is very dangerous to look at someone and not find any fault with them. Your comments about "maintainiing law and order", and seemilngly defending that, frankly, trouble me.  What is law and order? When does it actually matter? My life experience tells me that pronouncements of the need to maintain law and order are usually followed by actions that are draconian, and include unnecessary state sanctioned violence. You are entitled to think about Trudeau any way you want, but for my money, I think you have some thinking here that you haven't finished yet.

Debater

AC, I'm trying to stay on topic and not get into a huge debate about the War Measures Act on this thread.  So I will be brief:

1.  I'm not saying governments should engage in random, anti-democratic uses of anti–terrorism legislation (eg. The Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay etc.).  Obama, for example, has not discontinued the Bush policies on arbitrary imprisonment, and that is wrong.

2.  The Mayor of Montreal and Premier of Quebec asked for the assistance.

3.  Trudeau's legacy of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (which he is attacked for by the right-wing) demonstrates his commitment to human rights.

4.  One Quebec politician had been murdered, and a British one kidnapped, amongst various other acts of violence, arson etc.

5.  Quebecers largely approved Trudeau's actions according to the polls taken in the early 70's.

6.  Trudeau went on to win massive majorities in Quebec in the following elections.

7.  Some historians say that Trudeau's strict approach to terrorism is one of the things that led to violence like that never happening again.

Debater

Back to Trudeau vs. Kent:

 

Posted on Twitter:

 

Pour une fois j'applaudis mon député Justin Trudeau pour sa sortie contre ce tas de m... de P. Kent: BRAVO!

 

 

https://twitter.com/#!/G_Couture

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Mr.Tea wrote:

Even teh Globe and Mail is now weighing in on the atrocious facial hair: 

Who gives a shit what the Mope and Wail thinks?

By the way, if you hate facial hair so much, what about this guy:

I've had the same kind of beard as Thomas since 1994, but I don't keep mine as well trimmed.

edmundoconnor

Debater wrote:

If Justin runs for leader one day, he has a good base to start from.

Which is rather unlikely, given his repeated refusals to even consider running. I guess we'll have to settle for him being Prime Minister of our hearts *swoon*

Aristotleded24

Debater wrote:
If Justin runs for leader one day, he has a good base to start from.

You mean like Western Canada, where people are still cursing his dad over the NEP?

edmundoconnor

On the whole episode, Kent is what Trudeau called him. In a battle of wits between Kent and a two by four, heavy bets would be placed on the lumber.

However, Trudeau is smart. He knew that this would get a lot of press attention, for both the party and himself. It's a bit of free publicity for the Liberals that cost nothing politically. I'd be tempted to use the word 'stunt' to describe it. Perhaps he was looking through his father's memoirs for inspiration, given that both of them now have run afoul of fuddle-duddling unparliamentary language.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Debater wrote:

AC, I'm trying to stay on topic and not get into a huge debate about the War Measures Act on this thread.  So I will be brief:

1.  I'm not saying governments should engage in random, anti-democratic uses of anti–terrorism legislation (eg. The Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay etc.).  Obama, for example, has not discontinued the Bush policies on arbitrary imprisonment, and that is wrong.

2.  The Mayor of Montreal and Premier of Quebec asked for the assistance.

3.  Trudeau's legacy of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (which he is attacked for by the right-wing) demonstrates his commitment to human rights.

4.  One Quebec politician had been murdered, and a British one kidnapped, amongst various other acts of violence, arson etc.

5.  Quebecers largely approved Trudeau's actions according to the polls taken in the early 70's.

6.  Trudeau went on to win massive majorities in Quebec in the following elections.

7.  Some historians say that Trudeau's strict approach to terrorism is one of the things that led to violence like that never happening again.

Well, staying on topic, that is reasonable to want to do that, but you brought up "maintaining law and order".

My answer to all of the abvoe is so what? As I said, just because a government does something, because "people want them to", doesn't mean its right. It doesn't make it right. It doesn't mean it couldn't have been handled differently. So, I don't get your point at all.

The charter of rights and freedoms. Certainly his greatest accomplishment. But are you saying that one thing makes a man? Are you saying you only consider those parts of someone's legacy you see as favorable when making a judgement about them? Maybe you do.  I don't.

I don't care about Obama. I already said that the US is awash in fear. And about Obama, are you saying either that because Obama did it too, that it is ok, or are you saying that notwithstanding, he is a great President and leader? I don't think he is. I tend to side with people like Sam Seder, Mike Malloy and Cenk Uygar, who don't hail Obama as a great President.

And you still haven't addressed what I said. You never do. I said, that in a democracy, does an informed citizenry follow whatever the dear leader wants? I think you frankly refuse to find fault with anything Liberal, and certainly, can't find fault with Trudeau. My personal opinion is that is your biggest shortcoming.

Again, I don't think you hear anything I write. I don't think you really particularily care  what I think. I think you are more concerned about coming on and defending all things Liberal, rubbing our noses in it when the things go the Libs way, and trying to stir things up. I wrote in an earlier thread that I I thought I would be better off if I would just ignore you. There is a day where I would have. I can't seem to help myself. You get under my skin. So, I guess we'll just keep going at it.

As I say, this last time, I don't think you hear a thing I say, nor do I think you  particularly care what I say, or how I say it.

Sorry, I don't do fear, I am not a follower. You are welcome to do whatever you want but don't expect me to applaud.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

You know EOC, you may have a point. Certainly, when Pat Martin had his incident, it didn't really help him at all, or the NDP. As I have said, we have to fight 3 political parties, and the MSM mainstream thought enablers and facilitators.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I disagree - Trudeau had just had enough and blew his stack. Good for him.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Well Boom Boom. That is more likely also. I say good for him sure. But, I wish Pat Martin had gotten such a favorable reaction over an issue that was in some ways more important, the very way we govern.

adma

Debater wrote:
 Justin wasn't handed Lac St. Louis to run in.

Or for that matter, his father's former seat, Mount Royal.

Unionist

Arthur Cramer wrote:

You know, it is very dangerous to look at someone and not find any fault with them. Your comments about "maintainiing law and order", and seemilngly defending that, frankly, trouble me.  What is law and order? When does it actually matter? My life experience tells me that pronouncements of the need to maintain law and order are usually followed by actions that are draconian, and include unnecessary state sanctioned violence. You are entitled to think about Trudeau any way you want, but for my money, I think you have some thinking here that you haven't finished yet.

Arthur, I only quoted your concluding paragraph, but I loved your whole post.

 

Mr.Tea

Boom Boom wrote:

I've had the same kind of beard as Thomas since 1994, but I don't keep mine as well trimmed.

Actually, that's pretty much what mine looks like except mine is darker. I'm Persian and my "5 o'clock shadow" arrives by 10 in the morning. I certainly don't mind a full beard and there's something to be said for a classic moustache, like Jack Layton had. Trudeau's facial hair just seems like a costume or gimmick and screams "Please pay attention to me!"

bekayne

Mr.Tea wrote:

Mr. Trudeau did have a good excuse for a while: He was raising money and awareness about prostate cancer, as part of the Movember campaign. (NDP MP Peter Stoffer and Conservative Larry Miller did the same.)

Hasn't Stoffer always had a moustache? 

bekayne

Unionist wrote:

 

2. Should Pat Martin grow facial hair before his next Tweet?

Debater

Peter Kent should have stayed a news anchor.

That's what most Canadians are realizing.

adma

bekayne wrote:
Hasn't Stoffer always had a moustache? 

He ritually shaves it at the beginning of Movember.

adma

Oh, and as facial-haired Quebec politicians go, lest we forget

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Mr.Tea wrote:
Actually, that's pretty much what mine looks like except mine is darker. I'm Persian and my "5 o'clock shadow" arrives by 10 in the morning. I certainly don't mind a full beard and there's something to be said for a classic moustache, like Jack Layton had. Trudeau's facial hair just seems like a costume or gimmick and screams "Please pay attention to me!"

I loved Jack's moustache - it was great. I can't compete against your "5 o'clock shadow" as my beard takes a while to grow. I've kept it since 1994 because shaving seems to irritate my skin, whether it's a blade or electric razor, and the short stubble is especially irritating. With my beard at the length it is, about 1/2 inch, it feels smooth and silky. Plus, it makes me look more mysterious. Wish one of our selection of smileys had a beard.  Cool

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

Unionist:

Thanks very much for your kind words. I am glad you liked what I wrote, and I appreciaied the feedback. I often wonder how crazy I sound to people on t his board.I know I get emotionally invested in things on this site. I really appreciate  your taking the time to let me know what you thought about my comments and I was glad to have a chance to share them with you.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

adma wrote:

bekayne wrote:
Hasn't Stoffer always had a moustache? 

He ritually shaves it at the beginning of Movember.

ritually? you mean like with saffron robes and incense?

adma

That's Stoffer at the beginning of Movember.

By the end of the month, he's back to his old moustachio'd self.

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