Vancouver South heats up over Malik endorsment scandal

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Vancouver South heats up over Malik endorsment scandal

Malik controversy continues
ancouver/CKNW980AM

4/25/2011

The Conservative Party is insisting it's not dodging questions about the controversy swirling around a candidate in Vancouver South.
Wai Young wouldn't answer questions from reporters yesterday about allegations she received an endorsement from Ripudaman Singh Malik.
Malik was charged and acquitted in relation to the bombing of Air India.
Tim Powers of the Conservative Party is defending Young.

"You're suggesting she's dodging the question. I think she thinks she and the party have given an answer by putting out two statements, one by her and one by the Conservative Party talking about their disdain for all things Malik."

Liberal candidate Ujjal Dosanjh says he's made complaints to Elections Canada and the BC Ministry of Education.
Powers was speaking on the Bill Good Show with Simi Sara.

More fallout from the Malik endorsement
Vancouver/CKNW980AM

4/25/2011

Vancouver South Liberal candidate Ujjal Dosanjh says he's heard allegations the vice president of the Conservative Riding Association is an associate of Ripudaman Singh Malik.

"There are rumours out there that the riding vice president is well-known to Mr. Malik, is an associate of Mr. Malik, and has -- according to himself -- worked with Mr. Malik for a long time."

This would appear to conflict with Wai Young's claim her campaign has no links to Malik -- one of the men aquitted in the Air India bombing case.

Wai Young replaced Hu Jintao with Harper?

http://www.straight.com/article-387780/vancouver/liberals-claim-conservative-candidate-wai-youngs-campaign-photoshopped-picture-stephen-harper

 

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ghoris

Before this erupted I thought Commander U! was toast for sure, but this could be the break he needs to save the seat. Then again, wasn't Wai Young embroiled in some other controversy during the last campaign? Didn't seem to hurt her that much.

Soulforger

She may win this seat without really answering any questions about this.  After that it will just be more fodder for 60 Minutes.  The US will latch onto stories like this and...

http://www.torontoobserver.ca/2011/04/23/tory-candidate-denies-ties-to-tamil-tigers/

 

To portray Canada as a haven for extremism. US politicians deliberately and falsely accuse Canada of supplying some of the 9/11 terrorists. So if Harper knows this is what will happen, why has he not taken a stand?

If the borders get tightened up more then we will suffer even more economically, especially Ontario.

Soulforger

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Another impediment to Canada-India relations has been Canada's poor monitoring of potential security threats to India, most dramatically and tragically witnessed in the bungling of the Air India bombing investigation. If India had so poorly handled a terrorist attack on an Air Canada flight, think there might have been a few calls for Canadian investigators to take over the case? Canada is a relative latecomer when it comes to understanding the threats posed by terrorism, but since 1994 alone, according to the South Asia Terrorism Portal, an estimated 50,000 people have died in terrorism-related events in India. That includes attacks on the parliament, major religious buildings and, most recently, markets.

I wonder what this will do to relations between India and Canada?

Anonymouse

I think this issue has sunk Wai Young's bid. Air India is a raw issue (still!) on West Coast. The Conservatives may have (weakly) hurt their chances throughout the Lower Mainland. The opposition parties need to flog this issue, it is exactly the kind of thing that angers BC voters (like the whole Emerson affair).

Similarly, Soudas' interventions in the Port Authority and association with Acurso are TOXIC in Quebec.

Soulforger

CKNW has a story on this now. You can also listen through their vault once it is in there.

Soulforger

http://www.cknw.com/other/audiovault.html

Listen between 3:00PM and 4:00PM its quite an eye opener.  I just found out the mayor was on stage with Malik.  (The mayor is now denying this!) Someone on the call in portion also said there is over 1000 people who visit or attend this school.

Lens Solution

Is this likely to affect the race in Vancouver South?  Are voters talking about it, or is it mainly just a story among the pundits?

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

This extremist religious school gets PUBLIC funding. Maybe this can kick start a movement to defund all the religious schools.  Tax dollars to public schools only as a theme in the next BC election. 

Soulforger

Lens Solution wrote:

Is this likely to affect the race in Vancouver South?  Are voters talking about it, or is it mainly just a story among the pundits?

It was on the news and clearly this looks bad on the Con candidate Young.  She was refusing to answer questions and walked away with her back to the camera.  Usually Conservatives won't jump from Blue to Red so either Young rides this out or not. 

The news was pointing out that there is another candidate who may benefit which is the NDP candidate. 

She speaks mandarine and I think they said the riding was 45% Asian 15% South Asian.  With a 22 vote difference in the last election this one will be close.  If the NDP candidate can reach out to the mandrine community she may be able to gain votes from the Conservatives for one election.

Anonymouse

Wai Young is being sued by estranged family members.

I think it's too late, Uji has pulled this off. He will be re-elected.

ghoris

Agreed. It will be tight, but not as close as last time. Ujjal will get the undecideds, and a lot of Tories will stay home.

Soulforger

That would depend on the #s that voted early.  I am sure the Harper machine was calling Harper supporters letting them know about the advanced ballots.  The news today on the radio and on Global BC really paint a disturbing picture from outside the "bubble".

I do agree that this will come down to the undecideds and possibly from the NDP picking up lost Con support.

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The sibling court suit is likely going to sewer her.  This predates her candidacy and involves $14,000 that she says her father gifted her not long before his death and her siblings say no way that was a loan, you don't get the $14,000 last year and then an equal share of the estate this year.  

Not much money but it has 5 of 7 of her siblings publicly saying they will not vote for her because of a trust issue.  I don't know who in the family is right about the nature of the $14,000 but one thing is certain, it was a gift to Dosanjh.

Unionist

Anonymouse wrote:

The opposition parties need to flog this issue, it is exactly the kind of thing that angers BC voters (like the whole Emerson affair).

I have a serious problem with this approach (as well as NS's comment about "extremist" religious schools - as if some religious schools are less deserving or more dangerous than others). I guess I'd call it: 1) opportunism; and 2) just plain borderline. What are we saying - the Cons are on the wrong side of the war on terror? We should spread innuendo about a Con candidate who was endorsed by a Sikh businessman acquitted of wrongdoing but who supported the family of another Sikh who was convicted of wrongdoing? Where does this end, exactly?

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Similarly, Soudas' interventions in the Port Authority and association with Acurso are TOXIC in Quebec.

That's 1) different and 2) similar. Soudas and his buddies are accused of political interference in the Port Authority. That's a legitimate and important issue to pursue. As for "association with Accurso", however, that's innuendo that can and will cut both ways. Imagine a witchhunt against all candidates of all parties who have connections with the labour movement whose main player is the FTQ whose president Michel Arsenault and construction wing have some sort of connections with...

 

 

Anonymouse

You say, the CPC has gone waaay to far in its appeal for "ethnic votes" and that Malik shows either a terrible amount of a) ignorance or b) very poor judgment.

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Wai Young wouldn't answer questions from reporters yesterday about allegations she received an endorsement from Ripudaman Singh Malik.
Malik was charged and acquitted in relation to the bombing of Air India.

 

So she's receiving support from a guy who wasn't guilty??? Geez, I bet with a little poking around you'd find all manner of other things he's not guilty of. I wouldn't be surprised, for example, if he were not guilty of 9/11!

 

It makes you wonder just how many other people who aren't guilty are supporting her. Hmmmm?

Unionist

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I'm with Snert on this one, and I've got another snide remark:

Perhaps we could find Wai Young "not guilty by association"!

 

Lachine Scot

Unionist wrote:

I have a serious problem with this approach (as well as NS's comment about "extremist" religious schools - as if some religious schools are less deserving or more dangerous than others). I guess I'd call it: 1) opportunism; and 2) just plain borderline. What are we saying - the Cons are on the wrong side of the war on terror? We should spread innuendo about a Con candidate who was endorsed by a Sikh businessman acquitted of wrongdoing but who supported the family of another Sikh who was convicted of wrongdoing? Where does this end, exactly?

I agree.  How many left-wing candidates have been attacked in the media for supposed association with "terrorists" or "terrorist sympathisers", be it a supporter with a radical past or marching in a demonstration where Hezbollah was praised by someone else?  We are headed down the wrong path if we use the same tactics against conservatives...

Lachine Scot

Unionist wrote:

I have a serious problem with this approach (as well as NS's comment about "extremist" religious schools - as if some religious schools are less deserving or more dangerous than others). I guess I'd call it: 1) opportunism; and 2) just plain borderline. What are we saying - the Cons are on the wrong side of the war on terror? We should spread innuendo about a Con candidate who was endorsed by a Sikh businessman acquitted of wrongdoing but who supported the family of another Sikh who was convicted of wrongdoing? Where does this end, exactly?

I agree.  How many left-wing candidates have been attacked in the media for supposed association with "terrorists" or "terrorist sympathisers", be it a supporter with a radical past or marching in a demonstration where Hezbollah was praised by someone else?  We are headed down the wrong path if we use the same tactics against conservatives...

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Read some history about Malik and his organizations and the Air India bombing and the beating of Dosanjh in the streets of a Canadian city for having the courage to speak out against the violence.  I hate Ujjal but to have Malik endorse his opponent is too bitter a pill for anyone in BC who believes in peaceful discourse. This is a view that cuts across party and ideological lines because people in Canada rightly abhor violence in our political sphere. 

It is my understanding that the Polytechnic massacre resonates with Quebecers and the high level of support for things like gun control are linked to the horror of that event. In BC the Air India bombing is as deeply seared into the public's collective mind.  This is a significant part our political culture in BC not some fucking left wing trend.  In BC the left, the right, the centre, everyone agrees terrorists should be shunned.  To pretend that this man is innocent until proven guilty is like saying Al Capone was only convicted of tax fraud.  To both I say so fucking what.  The family of the man whose perjury led to Malik's acquittal has been supported with jobs and housing for all this time by the "charitable" organizations that he controls.  

I think all the fundamentalist Xian schools that preach the domination of husbands over wives are extremist schools as well.  I personally do not want any religious schools funded period.

Unionist

NS: what if I told you I agreed with you about Malik, but not about the opportunism?

Put another way: if this is how a Conservative candidate gets defeated, then tomorrow some progressive candidate will be defeated in some analogous fashion.

If someone wants to vote against Wai Young because Air India is seared into their spirit, that's fine. We just ought not to be applauding that as a criterion.

Unless, or course, we believe Wai Young or her party actually support that act of terror, or gained from it, or are uncaring, etc. But if that's the case, then bring forth the evidence and use it. Not this creepy guilt by association double-edged sword.

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The problem with Malik is that our court system is binary in its outcomes.  Either we are absolutely sure you did it or you are absolved of all guilt.  In reality it doesn't work that way.  Malik maybe doesn't deserve to be guilty of bombing Air India, but it is clear his sympathies are with the bomber.

A party that shares a stage with him, taking his endorsement and then at the same time supports some draconian tactics in the war on terror needs to have the disconnect pointed out. 

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I think she was willfully blind for political gain and that is one of the hardest things to prove.  Any public backlash seems mostly to be about a candidates sensibilities to the real political tragedies in our shared history. She has none and for that alone she deserves to lose. I also think that the sibling suit will hurt her more on election day.  

It is bad enough to plead ignorance of BC history as a defence but with her Hong Kong heritage she was counting on the changed demographics in the riding to work in her favour.  Ethnically the riding on the south slope was primarily a South Asian riding when Ujjal was first elected but now that is not the case.  Having your family break ranks and publically oppose you is not something that anyone expects of a business woman from the Hong Kong Canadian community.  

Personally I would love to see the NDP win in that riding but that would be almost too bizarre a voter swing to contemplate.  Last election the Libs and Cons were virtually tied at 38.5% and the NDP was only around 17%.

kinky friedman

I would sooo love Ujjal to retain this seat. It is an outrage that this school gets any public funding and the Cons' hypocritical con-job about being tough on terrorists needs to be burst.

 

Sean in Ottawa

I am seeing on Twitter that Malik endorsed two Liberals... Now they are running for cover.

I am sorry to the people who are more partisan than me to say this but while I do not like Liberals in general I consider Ujjal an asset to the House and I would want to see him elected. Don't like his party but I do like the man. He is on a very short list of Liberals I like.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I am seeing on Twitter that Malik endorsed two Liberals... Now they are running for cover.

I am sorry to the people who are more partisan than me to say this but while I do not like Liberals in general I consider Ujjal an asset to the House and I would want to see him elected. Don't like his party but I do like the man. He is on a very short list of Liberals I like.

Sean, have you heard about the letter Dosanjh and Rae signed today? I can't find a copy of it on line yet, but Evan Solomon read it on P&P, and even asked Dosanjh about it. The two of them explained how they know better than anyone, from their experience as NDP premiers, that Jack Layton and the NDP platform will be a terrible failure if they are ever allowed to be implemented. So, everyone should just grow up, and vote Liberal.

 

kinky friedman

Lachine Scot wrote:

Unionist wrote:

I have a serious problem with this approach (as well as NS's comment about "extremist" religious schools - as if some religious schools are less deserving or more dangerous than others). I guess I'd call it: 1) opportunism; and 2) just plain borderline. What are we saying - the Cons are on the wrong side of the war on terror? We should spread innuendo about a Con candidate who was endorsed by a Sikh businessman acquitted of wrongdoing but who supported the family of another Sikh who was convicted of wrongdoing? Where does this end, exactly?

I agree.  How many left-wing candidates have been attacked in the media for supposed association with "terrorists" or "terrorist sympathisers", be it a supporter with a radical past or marching in a demonstration where Hezbollah was praised by someone else?  We are headed down the wrong path if we use the same tactics against conservatives...

No we're not. Hezbollah Hamas et al are involved in the MidEast. Malik's guys killed 330 Canadians here. Anyone even remotely associated with that should be crucified.

 

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I am sorry to the people who are more partisan than me to say this but while I do not like Liberals in general I consider Ujjal an asset to the House and I would want to see him elected. Don't like his party but I do like the man. He is on a very short list of Liberals I like.

His venom against the NDP after the 2008 election will not be forgiven by anyone who voted NDP in 2008.  His rant reminded me of Parizeau after the referndum. Nasty and ill considered.

None of the NDP talking heads I saw today pointed out that Dosasnjh was not an elected Premier he was the BC NDP's Kim Campbell.  They were being polite.  Desperation has a special smell doesn't it.

gyor

Ujjal was entrusted by countless dippers to lead them, same with Rae, not simply to represent a riding, but a movement. People put thier faith into these men, there trust thier futures, thier party and these men, and I use that term loosely, betrayed them for opportunity and them attacked those very people who trusted them, defended them time and again. Stabbed people who showed them loyal in the back and insulted them too boot. Calling these men scum is an insult to scum. Compared to the guys Scum is like a choir of angels. I would rather Jack made a deal with Iggy then either of these two because at least Iggy is your normal double talking liberal which as bad as that is is still better then these. Gods I'd rather deal with Joe Volpe or Steven Harper. My hate for these two is a living breathing physical thing. I will try to stomach them if I have to, but the idea of making a deal with these two makes my stomach sick and my skin crawl. And I don't care how they vote thier such a thing as Character and principle which somethings these two lack in abundance. Hopefully they lose and the libs crawl back on thier hands and knees to the Stephen Dion. Or if he loses Martha Hall Findley or Ken Dryden.

jerrym

I am not a Dosanjh fan and never was. I first heard him when he was a vice president of the provincial NDP and he talked like the worst form of party bureaucrat  you find in every party. I do think he was a political opportunist when he jumped to the Liberals. However, he showed guts in standing up to Malik and other extremists in his own community and taking a severe physical beating for it. I have never meant a saint or devil in my life. Human beings are complex with a multitude of conflicting desires. To me he will always be an opportunist, but still better than an opportunist who seeks the support of the greatest mass murderer of Canadians (and please do not tell me he did not do it - everyone in BC knows that Malik had beat up, intimidated and even murdered (Mr. Hayer - the editor of a local Indian community newspaper) witnesses before and during the trial. Wai Young's own family will not even vote for her. If the NDP cannot win this riding and this is extremely unlikely (even though I would vote for Meena Wong if I lived there), I am glad that Dosanjh is wiinning rather than Young.

kinky friedman

Canadian racism and hatred against brown people is the only reason that Air India was blown up. Govts of the time felt that browns were subhumans and it didnt matter if they killed each other.

Canada must smash down with a hammer on anyone even remotely connected to that ghastly crime. A crime in which white Canadians are complicit.

 

cdnvoice

you'll need someone to translate Mrs. Siu's press conference for you. At the news release reporters took the opportunity to ask about the Malik case - if you're patient you'll hear Wai's sound bites. 

AM1470 Wai Yeung, Federal Election, Press release: , not connected Malik

Part1:Wai Young, Federal Election, OMINI TV Press release , Family affair 7 not connected with Malik

 

Unionist

So much for those non-issues (Air India and family feuds).

 

Lachine Scot

Yes, and losing all the debates didn't matter either, nor being censured by embarassed hosts for poor behavior on every radio program I heard her on.  Seems that being associated with the ruling party is by far the most important characteristic to the voters of V.South.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Or maybe Ujjal's best before date had expired before the last election but he remained on the shelf until he had to be thrown out.  He was really starting to give off a stench and his constant over the top attacks on the NDP meant he had no hope and hell of picking up support.  His hissy fit on the day after the 2008 election when he ranted at the NDP and scolded the public for not supporting his party was his last hurrah.

NorthReport

The East Indian community were not pleased with Dosanjh washing their dirty lined in public.

If Meena spends the next 4 years working the riding she will win in 2015. But Meena has to start now, and I hope she understands that.

Good riddance to Dosanjh, and the CBC News Dept.

Unionist wrote:

So much for those non-issues (Air India and family feuds).

 

NorthReport

Terry Platt, a BC Ferry worker, in Sea-to-Sky  came second - amazing!!!

Vansterdam Kid

I'm not going to 'good ridance' Dosanjh's defeat, despite my general disaproval of the man, because Wai Young is an embaressment to the City of Vancouver and the people who voted for that flake without knowing more about her should be ashamed of themselves. You folks can claim the controversies were 'made up', but I strongly disagree because she's essentially unfit for office, though I suppose she's fit to be a Conservative MP. A) her disrespect for the constituents by skipping debates, b) her disconnect from her family as a result of allegedly stealing money from an estate and her c) not knowing who Repudiman Singh Malik was and not rejecting his endorsement the second they heard about it are all real issues that shine light on her lack of judgement. Frankly the last one is rather worrisome not only because of his role with the Air India case and terrorism in general, but because it's an endorsement of the dirty ethnocentric politics the Conservatives have been playing. You know the whole "ethnic dress" crap and the "very ethnic ridings" game. In addition to the you know, little stuff, like her being a right-wing tool.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Yeah, well I'll see your Young and raise you a Duncan. Both Conservative assholes with the same respect for democracy.

kinky friedman

Vansterdam Kid wrote:

Frankly the last one is rather worrisome not only because of his role with the Air India case and terrorism in general, but because it's an endorsement of the dirty ethnocentric politics the Conservatives have been playing.

This,

Mind you, to be fair the Grits have played this game for ages as well. They are both equally culpable in this dirty game.

 

 

Pogo Pogo's picture

Northern Shoveler wrote:

Yeah, well I'll see your Young and raise you a Duncan. Both Conservative assholes with the same respect for democracy.

  I'll see yours and raise you Alice Wong.

Lachine Scot

I wonder what kind of MP Wai Young will make.  I can't see her lying low..

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Sorry Pogo you missed my point.  Duncan is a white male asshole.  There are plenty of them vying for the job of most disgusting piece of skin to get elected as a Conservative MP.  He hides during elections and has been heard at the rod and gun club making nasty nasty comments about various ethnicities.  

vermonster

With Dosanjh gone, can Meena Wong position herself to challenge for Vancouver South in 4 years?

She ran a very strong credible campaign this time, but got squeezed out by the sense that this was a 2 way race between Young and Dosanjh.

In a riding where 45% of the population is of Chinese ethnicity (perhaps higher after the new census results and resdistribution), the NDP has got to be able to compete for those votes. Perhaps 4 years of Harper making family visas more difficult and ignoring the needs of cities will have an impact on community concerns here.

An attractive multilingual candidate like Wong deserves a seat in Parliament - if not here, hopefully one of the added seats in BC will be drawn in a way that makes it possible for her to win.

 

 

Lachine Scot

I think there's more to it than ethnicity or being a good candidate.  Much of the riding is made up of wealthy people not necessarily disposed to support the NDP.  I think this cuts across "cultural" lines.  However, I supported Meena's campaign and I would certainly support her again if she decided to run in a byelection or in the next election.  Here's hoping Young manages to discredit herself even more throroughly in power than she did outside of it.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

The first thing you must remember is there is no single Chinese vote.  In the riding I live in their are many Canadian born people of Chinese descent.  If you want to really piss them off just imply they have immigration issues.  There is also the Hong Kong expat community that is largely but again not exclusively made up of business class immigrants.  People who bought their passports with investment money. Then there is the Taiwanese Chinese immigrant community and the mainland Chinese as well.  There are pro democracy refugees from China and economic immigrants who have no major problem with the current Chinese regime.   Language outreach is essential and having volunteers from as many communities as possible is also essential in winning urban ridings in Metro Vancouver.  Successful campaigns are based on people talking to their neighbours about the issues in terms that are mutually understood.  If it is a "we" need to reach "them" situation the riding is in big trouble.  IMO It is when people from the various communities work together on strategic messaging that campaigns begin to resonate.  It is important to have a consistent message as well as a nuanced one for specific demographics and that takes a diverse group of campaign volunteers.

Vansterdam Kid

Northern Shoveler wrote:

Sorry Pogo you missed my point.  Duncan is a white male asshole.  There are plenty of them vying for the job of most disgusting piece of skin to get elected as a Conservative MP.  He hides during elections and has been heard at the rod and gun club making nasty nasty comments about various ethnicities.  

Well, then someone should try to get these comments on tape and use them against him.

Vansterdam Kid

Whatever Don Davies did right this time needs to be copied. Part of it was probably incumbency and hard work as an MP, but he went from a semi-threatened incumbent to a solid first place finisher with over 50% of the vote.

And unfortunately the way Vancouver South is drawn now means that it's not a likely NDP pick up. But once BC gets more ridings and the boundaries are redrawn assuming the western portions of the riding (i.e. west of Cambie Street) are redistributed away it could become competitive.

adma

In fact, Vanc South was probably most competitive in its 1997-2000 incarnation, when its boundaries were shifted eastward to include a big chunk of Burnaby.  Unfortunately, that wasn't an era of fed NDP competitiveness in this kind of seat.

Oh, and to shift next door to Richmond: I dunno if anyone foresaw Pesky Joe practically tying the NDP for a poor second.

kinky friedman

'The East Indian community were not pleased with Dosanjh washing their dirty lined in public.

Good riddance to Dosanjh, and the CBC News Dept.'

If by washing dirty laundry in public, you mean courageously revealing Sikh terrorism and being beaten to within an inch of his life for his efforts, then those fundamentalist a&&holes who resent his revelations can go to hell.

The racist white establishment who dismissed the Air India bombing as nothing but a meaningless intra-brown squabble, and the fundamentalists who want white Canada to pay no heed to SIkh terrorism since it doesnt slaughter or affect whites, are two flip sides of the same bigoted coin.