What has happened to the Liberal Party under Ignatieff's leadership?

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janfromthebruce wrote:

He can't - essentially he is not of the people or for the people - unless you count the few who represent power, privelege and petroliam behind the throne.

So when Iggy tries to make a pitch for national childcare, first nations, public health care, environmental concerns - it's a joke - his personal narrative contracts these pitches - and brings into relief the credibility of the liberals in these policy areas.

But he is the libs choice so - so what?

Time to move on and go with the real progressive choice - and I'm not losing any sleep over that.Wink

This is a thread about Iggy's leadership, that's why it's being discussed here.

NorthReport

 

Scary.

Political storm whips good ship Grit

 

http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/michael_dentandt/2009/11/16/...

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Michael Dentandt is a flatulent fibbing fascist. Please stop with the constant links to the scurrilous scribblings of imbeciles and ignoramuses, NR.

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Lard Tunderin Jeezus wrote:

Michael Dentandt is a flatulent fibbing fascist. Please stop with the constant links to the scurrilous scribblings of imbeciles and ignoramuses, NR.

He is also a mediocre writer, at best.

autoworker wrote:

Frustrated Mess wrote:

I know two things about Canadian politics: 1) Obituaries are often written quite prematurely; 2) The biggest audience for media pundits is media pundiits.

You're probably right, on both counts.  I just don't see how Iggy can pull out of his tailspin.

Politics is a funny thing. It isn't founded on tangibles so mountains can shrink to molehills over night and vice-versa. The drop in Liberal support does not represent an antipathy toward Iggy.  Rather it represents an antipathy toward another election which Iggy claimed he was striving for. That support, then, could swing back Iggy's way at any moment.

Iggy, actually, has been fairly smart. In a year, he an engineered his leadership, raised cash, and has managed to throw off the Dion albatross of having to back Harper's legislation to avoid an election. He has paid a price in the opinion polls for that, but it isn't an insurmountable price. What is interesting now is reading that some in the Liberal brain trust believe Iggy should be out on the road whether than in the house. What stupidity.

Having finally gotten to play the role of the official opposition, he will now vacate the spotlight to attend office parties and ribbon cuttings? DOH!

They deserve to lose.

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Frustrated Mess wrote:
What is interesting now is reading that some in the Liberal brain trust believe Iggy should be out on the road whether than in the house. What stupidity.

Having finally gotten to play the role of the official opposition, he will now vacate the spotlight to attend office parties and ribbon cuttings? DOH!

They deserve to lose.

 

Ya, I just don't get this either, Harper apparently is going to be gone for over a month, and I for one had expected Iffy to use this moment to shine in  the HoC QP at least...unless they are expecting that Iffy's attendance at these things will provide national press to circumvent Harper's exposure publically he while trots around the globe, slipping on stages....

NorthReport

Yup, Ignatieff is shining all right. He is shining his flashlight into the aytss.

 

I don't know who this Kennedy Stewart is - but he's right about Ignatieff, just wrong about BC

 

Doomed Ignatieff Broke Political Golden Rule

Michael Ignatieff provides an example of a golden rule breaker. Ipsos polling shows that when Ignatieff officially took over the Liberal Party in May, 2009 it had the support of 36 percent of Canadians. Stephen Harper’s Conservatives were in free-fall, plunging from 46 percent support in December, 2008 to 33 percent in May, 2009. While the Liberal support was not quite high enough to guarantee a majority, trends were certainly in Ignatieff’s favour.

Thus in May, 2009 Ignatieff faced a real choice of whether to force an election or continue to keep propping up the Conservative minority in Parliament. The Liberals had won back many Canadians, but the Liberal election machine was not yet revved to full capacity. Moreover, Ignatieff and his team were new to the job and perhaps feeling they needed more time to settle in. Everyone was thinking the new Liberal leader would be crazy to force an early summer election. As we now know, Ignatieff balked, waiting for even bluer skies.

What now seems clear is that this was Ignatieff’s best and only shot to become prime minister. Now it is Liberal support that has collapsed. The Liberals currently enjoy support from a mere 24 percent of Canadians, just five percentage points ahead of the Jack Layton’s NDP. The Conservatives are at 37 percent.

By dithering and declining, Ignatieff is now doomed to slide off into oblivion. He won’t go quietly though and perhaps still thinks he can somehow recover. But he can’t and won’t, and will probably have to be forced out by another leadership hopeful in yet another Liberal party coup d’état.

 

 

 

 

http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/communityofinterest/archive/2009/11/21/doomed-ignatieff-broke-political-golden-rule.aspx

ottawaobserver

Kennedy Stewart ran for us in Vancouver Centre in 2004 and got 32% of the vote.  I don't know what you mean about him being wrong about BC.  He's a prof at SFU.

NorthReport

He's still wrong about BC. 

ottawaobserver

Oh, you mean about Carole James?  I'm too far away to have a feel for that.  He's right about Ignatieff's timing though.  In fact, it's increasingly looking like by walking away from the coalition Iggy walked away from his only chance to be sworn in as prime minister.  It won't be long before the Liberals start second-guessing him on that one.

NorthReport

Here's another academic view from the West. Winnipeg is still considered part of Western Caanda isn't it.  ;)

 

Who is john conway anyways

 

A political mess from top to bottom

 

Canada's politics are depressing at every level. No wonder more and more Canadians are disengaging, shrugging, yawning, and saying, "I've had it with all this B.S.!"

Even people like me, political junkies who delight in probing polls and assessing how the votes will break in close seats, are in despair. There is no moral or ideological foundation in our politics, particularly among the Liberals and New Democrats. On the other hand, Harper's hard right position is clear and firm. Perhaps that is part of his otherwise inexplicable attraction to so many Canadians -- he actually stands for something he clearly believes in. The same goes for the Bloc -- they want a sovereign Quebec, typically take strong social democratic positions, and have no ambitions to govern in Ottawa. Few of our Liberal and NDP politicians in Ottawa seem to believe in much or to stand for much -- except the pursuit of power and the holding of office for its own sake. Staking out a position on principle and adhering to it come hell or high water, or fighting aggressively for your version of the public interest seem passé, an historical curiosity. Whether one looks at the parlous state of our politics at the national, provincial or local levels, there is little to hang on to -- except the uneasy feeling that in this new feudalism of late capitalism our ranting and ravings amount to just so much white noise. The business lobby rules and, by all appearances, growing numbers of people have acquiesced in that ugly reality: "so was it in the past, so is it now, and so it will be evermore, amen."

Liberal Leader Michael Igntieff could have taken Stephen Harper down in a fall election. As the new leader, he was on the upswing among voters. The Liberals were taking off in the polls, even in Quebec to some extent. The Bloc and the NDP were on side. Layton had boxed himself in by declaring he could not support Harper, and the Bloc keeps voting against Harper at every chance.

But Ignatieff got greedy. All indications were that a fall election would lead to a minority Liberal government. Ignatieff wanted a majority and gambled that the up-tick in Liberal support was a trend that would continue, giving him a majority in a future election. Meanwhile, Ignatieff embraced most of the essentials of what Harper was doing, even in that dismal and illegal barbarism in Afghanistan. Oh, he wanted improvements here and there, and nitpicked, but proposed no fundamental difference in approach to governing Canada. To avoid an election, Ignatieff was forced to support Harper in the House against the Bloc and the NDP. Big mistake. Layton and the NDP heaved a sigh of relief, since the soft NDP vote, especially in Ontario and British Columbia, would have stampeded to the Liberals to defeat Harper.

When Ignatieff tried to engineer an election for early winter, it was too late. Already the Liberals were falling in the polls. Such an election would probably have returned a Harper minority. Layton had suddenly discovered a reason to support Harper in exchange for some help for the unemployed. Fearing an election polarized between Harper and Ignatieff, and the loss of many NDP seats, Layton propped Harper up against the Liberals and the Bloc. Inadvertently, Layton also saved Ignatieff from humiliation.

The most recent polls suggest the Ignatieff phenomenon may have collapsed, at least for now. The Tories have a 10-point lead over the Liberals and, at 38 per cent, Harper is in majority territory. Harper drools for an election now. The NDP has enjoyed a slight up-tick, but remains mired in its core vote territory. Ignatieff and the Liberals are at a dismal 29 per cent, Dion territory, and Harper's approval rating is twice that of Ignatieff's.

Any lessons here? Both Ignatieff and Layton have no core principles -- both voted to keep Harper in power. For that, many Canadians who want to be rid of Harper (a healthy majority, by the way) will not easily forgive them. Harper is beaming, hungering after that majority that has eluded him. On the upside, whenever Harper's numbers in the past moved into majority territory, widespread fear of the prospects of a Harper majority took hold among the public and his numbers fell back down.

So we are back to the politics of polls and opportunism. One can expect no inspiration from Ignatieff or Layton, who all too eagerly sleep with the enemy whenever it's profitable.

Whatever happened to democracy? We seem to have misplaced it.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/westview/a-political-mess-from-top-to-bottom-70689657.html

ottawaobserver

A cranky academic.  I guess he just ran a rather unsuccessful municipal campaign against a progressive candidate in Regina and got whumped.

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Yeah, Harper has strong beliefs. Nothing he'll openly admit to in public, but he does have them--we call them his hidden agenda.

NorthReport

Harper has strong beliefs. So what? Is that supposed to be some sort of crime?

Who doesn't have strong beliefs, a lot of which is hidden by whoever is in politics, Tell me that? 

Since when can any politician openly say what he/she really thinks.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture
Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Harper has strong beliefs. So what? Is that supposed to be some sort of crime?

Who doesn't have strong beliefs, a lot of which is hidden by whoever is in politics, Tell me that? 

Since when can any politician openly say what he/she really thinks.

Why does he hide his beliefs? Why does he lie about his beliefs (i.e. Canada's involvement in Iraq)? Why don't we talk about his religious beliefs? Is he an end timer ala Sarah Palin? If he is, that's important. Harper muzzles his caucus, hides his beliefs, and carefully manages communications because he know the core values and beliefs that he holds and the members of his part hold is abhorrent to most Canadians. And he will impose them should he get a majority.

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Quote:

The Alliance Church places an intense focus on the need for personal salvation, emphasizes the importance of leading a "holy" life and encourages spiritual healing, says Goff.

The denomination also stresses that Jesus Christ's return to Earth is imminent, says the evangelical specialist, who was raised in the Alliance Church.

Alliance Church rules, like those of other evangelical denominations, strongly oppose homosexual relationships, describing them as the "basest form of sinful conduct."

The Alliance Church is also tough on divorce and holds that Christians who have been adulterous do not have a right to remarry.

The denomination's leaders, in addition, oppose abortion, stem-cell research, euthanasia, the use of marijuana and ordained female clergy.

When Trask told his suburban Calgary congregation during a recent Sunday sermon about RockPointe's mission to be "relentlessly focused on the lost," he was reflecting the Alliance Church's belief in the need to rescue non-Christians from damnation.

Stephen Harper's faith

NorthReport

Another remarkable and marvelous week for the Liberals.

Sponsorship player gets two years in prison

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/sponsorship-player-gets-two-years-in-prison/article1370440/

NorthReport

'Let Donolo Let Iggy Be Iggy!'

Listening in on BC's Grits this weekend, as they gathered in Whistler to drink and argue about how to revive their falling party.

 

 

Cold facts, hot debate

A record storm buried Whistler in early-season snow, and set a chilly backdrop for a provincial convention that marked several low points in the federal party's fortunes.

Nationally, the Liberals fell to 24 per cent in an Ipsos-Reid poll released on Saturday, the lowest point since Ignatieff became leader last December. Those poll numbers reinforced the party's dismal third-place finishes in four byelections only two weeks ago.

In B.C., membership in the federal party fell last year to about 9,000 souls, from a high of more than 70,000 earlier this decade. And B.C. voters returned only five Liberal MPs to Ottawa in last fall's national election. Two of those squeaked back into office by razor-thin margins: Ujjal Dosanjh by 22 votes, and Keith Martin by only 68 votes in Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca.

These facts cast a chill over the Whistler gathering, and fueled heated debates that raged through the barrooms and hospitality suites of the Westin Resort and Spa.

For while party leaders maintained stiff upper lips and spoke of winning back three or four seats in the next federal election -- ridings in Burnaby, Surrey and the North Shore were named among those most likely to return to Grit control -- riding executives and campaign strategists worried privately that the party would be lucky to return even three MPs next time around.

Dosanjh's Fraser River riding, where Chinese-Canadians comprise 45 per cent of the population and Indo-Canadians another 13 per cent, was viewed by many as particularly vulnerable. The Conservative Party has been aggressively courting immigrant voters for the past few years, and those efforts appear to be paying off.

"A lot of Chinese-Canadian voters have left the Liberal Party," said one strategist with experience in Vancouver South. "And they're never coming back."

http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/11/23/IggyBeIggy/

Doug

Letting Iggy be Iggy seems like the last thing they should do!

 

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Munroe has a curious sense of humor. His reelection bumpf read like an X-files poster: "I Believe in Craig Munroe." And when asked about the bickering that seemed to pervade the convention's backrooms, he compared the Liberal Party to a Seinfeld skit.

Yes, the party is like a Seinfeld skit. Much like the show, it's a party about nothing filled with a bunch of selfish people.

NorthReport

Harper writes the rules, wins the game

 

Harper's ample manoeuvring room is measured by Ignatieff's fumble of this week's other hot potato, the harmonized sales tax. Forced to choose between good economics and bad politics, Ignatieff opted for both by supporting the Conservative plan and then failing to score beckoning points.

While risking voter wrath by supporting B.C. and Ontario Liberal premiers, Ignatieff wasted an opportunity to shape a clear, compelling narrative. He could have told Canadians that Conservatives have so mismanaged federal finances that Liberals must again face up to the realities they confronted in the '90s when balancing budgets. Ignatieff could have said that Harper is now using the HST to raise taxes because he ignored economists by twice cutting the GST.

Instead, Ignatieff failed to control the microphone or manage the clock. His rationale left voters guessing and his caucus divided. Rather than begin the mantra that will carry the party through the next campaign, Ignatieff pushed the mute button on the core message that Liberals, not Conservatives, have the experience, discipline and determination to better manage tough economic times.

For Liberals, comparing Ignatieff's performance to Harper's is rapidly becoming an exercise in despair. They can see that the Prime Minister is dominating national debate, essentially uncontested. They know that, with Parliament just days away from a long winter nap, Harper is running down the clock on troubling questions about stimulus spending and what politicians knew about Afghan prisoner abuse.

Destructive as it is to what remains of democracy, that's how politics is now played and won

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/734849--travers-harper-writes-the-rules-wins-the-game?bn=1

NorthReport

Does Ignatieff have what it takes to win?

Liberals say they're confident in new OLO chief of staff Peter Donolo, but aren't so sure about their leader, who one MP compared to the naïve politician Bill McKay in the 1972 movie The Candidate.

 

http://www.thehilltimes.ca/page/view/ignatieff-12-7-2009

RANGER

NorthReport wrote:

Does Ignatieff have what it takes to win?

 

 

Nope, failing to show Canadians that they where different than the last group of incompetent Liberals, the recent stance on the registry and now the debacle of supporting HST lost them a ton of votes on those two issues alone. They screwed up all by themselves, Harper didn't even have to break a sweat. 

NorthReport

Maybe Kinsella hasn't left after all.

 

Ignatieff's Liberals sink to a new low

 

 

http://rjjago.wordpress.com/2009/12/15/liberals-sink-to-a-new-low/

 

G. Muffin

I approve of Ignatieff.

That is all.

[run but you can't hide if you post on the inteeret this means you eft, cc rw]

NorthReport

How braindead can the Liberals be!!!

 

Oh, Liberals: Did you learn nothing from the puffin incident?

Before we get to Orders of the Day, let's take a brief moment to do a double take and roll our collective eyes at what appears to be have been a serious lapse in judgement over at Liberal.ca headquarters. Sometimes last week, someone -- oh, let's call it an overzealous web designer -- chose to include this astonishingly tasteless submission in an online gallery of Stephen Harper-themed photo manips as part of a Copenhagen-themed contest, which solicited supporters to send in images all the various places and moments in history in which the prime minister would rather find himself than at this week's climate change conference. 
PnP viewers may recall that I actually mentioned the Liberals' photoshop challenge during last week's Bloggerheads, and pointed out that, while some of the entries were clearly all in good fun, there was always the risk that it could backfire if any of them could be seen as an unfair attack on the prime minister as a person. Of course, at the time, I was thinking more of something along the lines of this entry, and not, you know, pasting the prime minister's face into the infamous Ruby-Oswald photo -- as Oswald, even -- because really, who could possibly have predicted that something like that would make it through even the most cursory moderation process? Lesson learned. As far as the reaction, from what I've been reading in the blogs and on twitter, not even Liberal supporters are defending this one. Probably because it's pretty much indefensible. Seriously, y'all, what were you thinking? 

 

 

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepolitics/2009/12/oh-liberals-did-you-le...

NorthReport

Now here's a classy guy.

 

Ignatieff is refusing to apologise for the Oswald/Harper assassination photos on the Liberal website.

 

What an absolute moron.

 

The federal Conservatives are calling on Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff to personally apologize to the prime minister for some pictures that appeared on the Grits' website.

http://www.cfra.com/?cat=3&nid=70024

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NorthReport wrote:

Now here's a classy guy.

 

Ignatieff is refusing to apologise for the Oswald/Harper assassination photos on the Liberal website.

 

What an absolute moron.

 

The federal Conservatives are calling on Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff to personally apologize to the prime minister for some pictures that appeared on the Grits' website.

http://www.cfra.com/?cat=3&nid=70024

Well, what's to apologize for?

Ignatieff is on the record as supporting "targetted assassinations".

At least he's being consistent for once.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

You'd think the Liberals would remember what an offensive photograph of Chretien did to Kim Campbell's chances in '93.

Oh, that's right, Iggy wasn't Canadian that year.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Hey, North Report - Once again with the hate-talk-radio links?

Either give it up or get lost, please.

madmax

-=+=- wrote:
Ignatieff is on the record as supporting "targetted assassinations".

At least he's being consistent for once.

 

Foot in mouth  Wink

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

The thing is, Harper would really be more of a Jack Ruby type...eliminating inconvenient people on the orders of mysterious conspirators.

sandstone

i guess the afgan torture news is a bit too hot and something clearly needs to replace it... lets make a big deal out of  some stupid picture on a website, verses dealing with the question of canucks involvment in torture in afganistan which includes our current gov'ts complicity while stonewalling any discussion on it... great!

NorthReport

Yea, let's not make a big deal out of absolutely disgusting pictures put on the main Liberal Party of Canada website by Liberals in an attempt to belittle and discredit the Conservatives. Very impressive. Sure makes one want to vote Liberal, doesn't it. God forbid people like that ever get their hands on the levers of power.

madmax

If this crap was on the CPC website media would be puffin.

The CPC won't be able to change the channel on the Afghan detainees.  And since we are in an LPC titled thread, it would be helpful if the LPC leader wasn't an advocate for torture (lessor torture of course).  Its that same logic and stupidity of creating a level of acceptable torture, or condoning torture in hopes of  achieving a security goal that has allowed governments to think that Torture was going to be overlooked. Torture became popular under the BUSH administration and their wasn't a whole lot of condemnation from any Canadian government from 2001 to present. Just turn a blind eye.

The problem with the CPC is they wrongly believed no one would care and that people would consider all Afghans terrorists (worse then the Nazis) and therefore ok to torture.

The history of Afghanistan  demonstrated that torture was going to be a problem for Western forces but there was no plan from Canada.

Ignatieff is the wrong leader at the wrong time. Perhaps if Bush was still around, he might look like a moderate. The LPC went from the hapless Dion, ( I wouldn't call him left, but I would consider him lost), to the far right Ignatieff.

What happened on the LPC website was plain dumb.  However, those responsible have yet to respond responsibly. And that may give the story life for another day or two.

Considering the Globe is calling this the year to forget for the Liberals. We haven't hit Dec 31 yet... still more bad news ahead for the ship that is adrift.

 

 

 

sandstone

lol... i take it you don't like the liberals? how would you like to be tortured under a conservative leadership while not being allowed to talk about it??? just let me know when harper wants us to do the goose step.. until then, i'll settle for  flying crap on the internet...

sandstone

with leaders like harper or ignatieff, canucks are seriously screwed... 

gram swaraj

NorthReport wrote:
these leaders see the complexities of the issues, the grey zones, the competing shades and they hedge. Vague imagery results.

Yes, the grey zones are especially broad for Liberals.

Wilf Day

I should have done this long ago. I just looked up the famous speech where Ignatieff says "we Americans." Was it an isolated error?

Hardly. He uses "we" in that sense 81 times in that one speech.

Example: "One reason we need to think seriously about adopting lesser evils is that, in a War on Terror, we simply cannot adhere to the existing rule of law as written. If we do, we inevitably will give terrorists the advantage." 

And "To defeat terror, therefore, we will be compelled to traffic in evil, i.e., strategies like indefinite detention of suspects on lower standards of probable cause, coercive interrogations that fall just short of torture, targeted assassinations of terrorist suspects, and even preemptive war. Sadly, the issue is not whether we are going to do these things — America is doing most of them already. The issue is whether we can do these things, yet keep them under democratic control to ensure that America does not lose the soul and substance of its free institutions."

Augustus

madmax wrote:

The CPC won't be able to change the channel on the Afghan detainees. 

I think they just did.

NorthReport

Will Ignatieff last the summer - I have my doubts.

Is this Michael Ignatieff's last stand?

Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff was accused of 'just visiting' after he returned to Canada after 30 years. Photograph: Chris Wattie/Reuters/Corbis

It's hard to think of a figure in public life even roughly comparable in stature to Michael Ignatieff. British people often know him as the Booker prize-nominated novelist, academic-celebrity and host of the highbrow-ish Late Show. His contentious theories on nationalism and democracy feature on politics students' required reading lists. And, for a brief period just over a year ago, he was the man hailed as "Canada's Obama", an impossibly charismatic and heavyweight political leader, set to recreate Canada's 1968 golden era of Trudeau-mania, his gravitas and glamour blasting away Stephen Harper's gloomy and John Major-ish reign over a minority Conservative government.

 

Now, it looks like he may not last the year as Liberal party leader, and speculation in the Canadian press has implied that even the Liberal party - one of the two, historic national parties - may disappear itself. Earlier this month, a former aide to Ignatieff revealed that the party had held talks to merge with the NDP, the other main progressive party in opposition to Harper's Conservatives. More than simply a coalition to oust the Tories, this would entail the disappearance of the Liberal party itself.

 

And while one of the preconditions of the merger talks was apparently that Ignatieff remain leader of any new Liberal-NDP party, Ignatieff's grip seems to be slipping on his old, existing party. To much embarrassment, a recent poll revealed that Ignatieff currently ranks third among voters' choices for Liberal party leader. It seems that perhaps, among his many guises and achievements, Ignatieff has failed to be something meaningful for Canadians themselves.

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/jun/24/michael-i...

Doug
mybabble

Iggy isn't looking to bad as soon the Liberals reclaim their seat to victory as Harper has just gotta go as Canadians repeat history and Conservatives find themselves all but obsolete in the next election.  Its a given as I must have been a little bored as to bother to try to point it out as certain North Report will be at it again.  Which way will they go?

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

CBC reporting that Iggy has just had a conversation with HRH.

mybabble

Harper shows the world what Canadians are made of blood and guts during G20 to start as Canada's police state is full force and the world's eyes are on Canada.  Oh Canada, is it safe as police are a brutal force to deal with as RCMP are said to be murderous lot in BC as Polish traveler finds himself on a slab?  And then like rubbing salt in to an open wound Harper spends a billion Canadian dollars to bring on the message spending must be cut.  Just not for the Conservatives as tax payers pick up the bill.   And from East To West the message is the same stop the HST as tax payers say as consumers they have little to spend and in the prairies  beefed up Oil Sands exploration takes its lot on the environment as its raining and its pouring and western crops are swamped.

NorthReport

Slow news day as if anyone cares. Laughing

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Do you think she called him "Iggy"?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NO...she commanded a lady-in-waiting to call him that for her.

cruisin_turtle

Ignatieff to the Liberal party today is what John Kerry was to the Democratic party in 2004.  The similarities are stunning.  Both challenge an extreme right winger in office and try to oust him by outrightwinging him!  Both represent a minority of their party's grassroot supporters. Both stand for nothing, are weak, boring and get defeated in spectacular fashion.  Iggy is the Canadian version Kerry playing out 6 years later.

Stockholm

Kerry still came within 2% of winning! He also won his own party's nomination fair and square

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

But Kerry lost because of his timidity and his deference to the Right.  Noboby wants a candidate who acts like his party's core values are embarassing.

And that's what he has in common with the Igster(the difference being, of course, that the Liberal Party of Canada doesn't actually HAVE any core values).

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